放送 2026-07-24更新 2026-07-28
Myrkrvaldyr
Leon already figured out someone's trying to get him to fight Rimuru so if he remains cool-headed he can just talk to Rimuru about his goals and no fight will happen.
Leonはもう誰かがRimuruと戦わせようとしてるって気づいてるし、冷静なら目的話して戦闘回避できるなwwwwおじ
Frontier246
Considering they're fighting in the OP, unless it's bait, then I think Leon is probably going to lose his cool when he sees Chloe (who might not remember him?). Or maybe it is bait and they end up teaming-up against Granville.
OPで戦ってるし、釣りじゃなければLeonはChloeを見て取り乱すんだろうな。逆に釣りでGranville相手に組むのかもな。ドライおじ
Biggsy-32
Nah. Rimiru will lose his cool first. Remember he wants to avenge Shizu. I think things will kick off, but Luminous will talk them down. Or perhaps they'll already be talked down, and the fight will be a ploy to catch out Yuukis scheme. I suspect Granville being a "true hero" will make him far more powerful than Yuuki, so Yuuki is probably the villain to fight this arc.
いや、Rimiruが先にキレるでしょ。普通くん
alastoris
I think so too. It'll probably be Rimiru already pissed at Leon's presence. Leon sees Chloe and demands her be handed to him. This royally pisses off Rimiru and tension escalates into a fight.
せやな。レオン来た時点でリムル既にブチギレ、クロエ渡せとか言われてさらにキレて、そのまま戦闘突入やろ。2ちゃん
SasparillaTango
Leon is struggling to contain Juane... Who knows works for Rimiru, is powered up from being named, and has 3 other demons of similar power. Maybe this is just how opaque the powerscaling is in this show, but I really don't understand how anything in the show can touch Rimiru at this point.
LeonでさえJuaneを抑えるのに苦しむ…力の位階が深淵すぎるのか、我にはもう何がRimiruに届くのか分からぬ。中二病
Hot-Log6283
I mean you could also said the same thing about Veldora but he was imprisoned for 300 years at the start of the series, so anything can happen.
いや、それVeldoraにも同じこと言えたけど、序盤で300年も封印されてたし…何が起きてもおかしくないッ！感情くん
_Velgrynd
That was an extremely vague statement by Leon. We have absolutely no idea how strong he is other than Guy saying he’s weaker than him and Milim.
Leonの発言、めちゃくちゃ曖昧だったな。強さもGuyが「自分やMilimより弱い」って言った以外、全然わからない。普通くん
Akudra
Jaune is immortal and constantly throwing nuclear magic at the entire city. It isn't a matter of him being stronger or not. His strength is irrelevant, because she'll just keep coming back for more every time. It can instead be said to gauge the strength of his subordinates as he is apparently the only one capable of containing her.
Jauneは不死身で街中に核魔法を撃ち続ける。彼が強いかは関係ない。彼女は何度でも戻る。部下の強さを見る話だろうな。ドライおじ
raknor88
Nah. Rimiru will lose his cool first. Rimuru will likely throw the first blow. But I could see Leon losing his shit when he comes face to face with Chloe. Leon losing his cool will lead Rimuru to thinking that Leon will take Chole and treat her like he treated Shizu.
いや、先にキレるのはリムルの方だよ。リムルが最初の一撃を放つと思う。でもレオンもクロエと対面したら取り乱すかもね。そのレオンの動揺を見て、リムルは「レオンがクロエをシズと同じように扱うつもりだ」って思っちゃうんだろうな。普通くん
yggdrashit
I believe your 2nd point might be it to catch Yuuki of guard
2つ目の指摘、それっぽいな。Yuukiの不意を突くためやろ。2ちゃん
ijiolokae
I mean, the last opening showed the entire squad fighting the Chaos dragon, hell, most of the opening show fights that never happen
そもそも前のOP、全員でChaos dragonと戦っておったでござる。OPの戦闘など大半は本編で起きぬでござるよ。武士
diegz_eliaz
That is true but they do tend to have some truth to them take the s3 first four for example it showed rimuru fighting hinata fully which didn’t happen but we did get a fight of sorts with hinata attacking him and him blocking it, so whilst they do tend to exaggerate it most of the time when there’s a fight in teh intro they do stick to it even if it’s not in that exact same manner.
確かに。ただOPって盛りがちでも多少は本編に沿うよね。S3もリムルvsヒナタは大げさだったけど、攻防自体はあったし。普通くん
Limp_Driver_1203
Remember that granville is basically Leon's supplier? You'd probably know how rimuru is when it comes to forced summons too, with what happened with shizu and all.
granvilleって実質Leonの仕入れ先じゃん？shizuの件もあるし、rimuruが強制召喚にどう反応するか分かるっしょ？ギャル
i_reddit_too_mcuh
If all Leon is trying to do is find Chloe and Chloe is already there, then there would be no further need of Granville.
LeonがChloeを探してるだけで、Chloeがもうそこにいるなら、Granvilleはもう必要ないよね。普通くん
absolutelynotaname
I still hope that they will pretend to fight so we have something to watch
まだ戦うフリしてくれないかな〜って思ってる、そしたら見るもんできるじゃん笑ギャル
2th
I mean when was the last time Rimaru didn't get in a fight?
てかRimaruが戦わんかった回、最後いつだよｗ2ちゃん
justking1414
Which genuinely be hilarious if he was just sitting in the background for this entire arc
それ、彼がこの編ずっと背景でただ座ってただけだったらガチで爆笑すぎるッ！感情くん
i_reddit_too_mcuh
I wouldn't be surprised if Rimuru and Leon have a pretend fight in order to get Granville and Yuuki to put their plan into action, so they can catch them in the act.
RimuruとLeonが芝居で戦って、GranvilleとYuukiに計画を実行させ、現行犯で捕まえる展開でも驚かないな。普通くん
CosmicDestructor
That's only assuming Rimuru is coolheaded as well. And Rimuru's got a vendetta against Leon.
それはRimuruも冷静でいる前提だろw それにRimuruはLeonに恨みあるしなwwwwおじ
kalirion
Doesn't Rimuru have a Leon-punching-promise to fulfill? I hope it's a full power Killer Series Serious one.
Rimuru、Leonをぶん殴る約束まだ残ってるよね？どうせなら全力の必殺マジシリーズでいってほしい。普通くん
UnWiseSageVibe
Yeah i was surprised, dude is super sharp. Wonder if he got some sort of Raphael? Rimiru is kinda smart don't get me wrong but he wouldn't be as sharp without Raphael.
せやな驚いたわ、あいつキレッキレやん。Raphael持ちか？Rimiruも賢いけど、Raphaelなしじゃあそこまで鋭くないやろ。2ちゃん
Limp_Driver_1203
He doesn't have that sort of analyzation skill. He's pretty cautious and smart in general
彼にその類いの解析スキルは宿っておらぬ。されど、元より慎重にして聡明な者なのだ。中二病
Hot-Log6283
I mean their personality seems to be slightly different from each other, and that's not counting both their past life.
ていうか、今の性格だけでも少し違う感じだし、二人の前世まで含めたらなおさらだね。普通くん
Obaruler
Yeah, no way. Rimuru wants to beat down Leon cuz of Shizu, and once Leon sees Chloe and demands her from Rimuru they'll clash over that. There's no chance it won't happen. Add the clown troupe causing some bullshit in between and we're in for a treat.
いや無理やろ。RimuruはShizuの件でLeonボコりたいし、Chloe要求されたら衝突確定。道化連中のクソ横槍も来て最高やん。2ちゃん
Snoo-82757
Rimuru my mannn, let me tell you about the love of my life chloe
Rimuru相棒、俺の最愛の人chloeについて語らせてくれ。普通くん
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
At least Leon realizes there’s some fuckery going on. Still seems like Yuuki’s one step ahead. I guess we’ll see what happens with Chloe. Also, Granville and his zombie bride or whatever tf Maria is now. Really, I just want to see Rimuru and his new demon pals go apeshit on Yuuki and Granville for always playing stupid games. They’ve been fucking around for so long, when’s the “find out” stage coming?
Leonも何か裏あるの気づいたな。でもYuukiが一枚上手やん。Chloeどうなるか。早くRimuruと悪魔組がYuukiとGranvilleボコるの見せろや。2ちゃん
Liddojunior
I'm glad Leon has a good head on his shoulders. Dont expect to see him be an antagonist even when it felt like he would be in season 1.
Leonがちゃんと冷静に考えられるやつで嬉しい。1期では敵になりそうだったけど、今は敵対するとは思えないね。普通くん
DiaBoloix
If I need to bet, Rimuru will lose its temper before Leon does. It sometimes is a lot more Hinata-like than it realizes.
賭けるなら、Leonより先にRimuruがキレるわ。本人が思ってる以上にHinataっぽいとこあるんだよな…！感情くん
Mysteries67
I mean they still have a score to settle for Shizu.
てか、まだShizuの件でケリつけなきゃじゃん！ギャル
justking1414
He’s gotta at least punch him a few times. Maybe kick him in the shin. And of course Castration isn’t off the table.
あいつには最低でも何発か殴ってほしい。スネ蹴るのもあり。もちろん去勢も選択肢から外れてない。普通くん
kalirion
I prefer Rimuru burns him to death, it would only be fitting.
Rimuruがあいつ焼き殺す方がいいわ、まじでお似合いの末路じゃん！ギャル
justking1414
Certainly fair
確かに公平だね普通くん
DeepDarkOs
Leon is good friends with Guy remember, if Rimuru kills him guy would kill rimuru. Same thing he would do if anyone harms ramisis.
LeonってGuyと仲良いじゃん？RimuruがLeon殺したらGuyがRimuru殺すでしょ。ramisis傷つけても同じ！ギャル
kalirion
Have we seen any indication that Guy is stronger than current Rimuru?
Guyが今のRimuruより強いって示唆、これまでにあったっけ？普通くん
_Velgrynd
Yes. Guy is said to be the most powerful alongside Milim. Rimuru’s magicules only roughly increased by 10x when he became a True demon lord. He can’t beat Guy.
うん。GuyはMilimと並んで最強って言われてるじゃん。Rimuruの魔素も真なる魔王化でだいたい10倍だけ。Guyには勝てないっしょ。ギャル
diegz_eliaz
It?🤣 I mean your not technically wrong but he does still consider himself a he.
「それ」？🤣 厳密には間違いではござらんが、本人は今も「男」のつもりでござるぞ。武士
Hot-Log6283
You forgot the -sama.
「様」を付け忘れてるぞ。普通くん
Maybe_this_time_fr
Bro really thought he was doing something good calling Rimuru an "it".
あいつRimuruを「それ」呼ばわりして、いいことした気になってんのまじウケるんだけど笑ギャル
Frontier246
I think the moment he sees Chloe all bets are off which is probably what Yuuki is banking on.
Chloeを見た瞬間、彼はもうどうなるか分からないと思う。Yuukiもたぶんそこを狙ってるんだろうね。普通くん
Can_You_Believe_It_
I think it'll be more mild. I feel like the show has been building that up too obviously that they want us to think that'll happen but it won't. They'll probably meet, Rimuru will jump in and mediate and Leon will keep a cool head. Leon will probably realize that Rimuru has been taking good care of the kids and isn't going to sell them (like the sus messenger said) or do anything else bad.
もっと穏便に済むと思う。露骨に煽ってるから逆に外す伏線。Rimuruが仲裁し、Leonは冷静に子供たちが大事にされてると悟るはず。考察くん
AeonLonginus
原文
I doubt Leon believes that considering Rimuru was the person that drastically diminished the number of summoning's happening in the western nations and when they met at Walpurgis Rimuru wanted to hit Leon for what he did to Shizu. Leon knows that Rimuru would never do something like selling the children or allowing any harm to come to them. The only reason he is entering the situation is because of his 2 aides that told him that he can act selfishly which made him decide to see if the person mentioned really is Chloe.
Leonはそう思ってないはず。Rimuruは西側の召喚を減らしたし、Shizuの件で怒ってた。動くのはChloeか確かめたいからだね。普通くん
Can_You_Believe_It_
Yeah he even said in the episode to his aides to watch that messenger because he was suspicious. Mentioned it in another comment but Chloe will probably be the one to intervene since she's tied to both Rimuru and Leon (seemingly) so I doubt there will be any real fight between the two like you said. Maybe some posturing that cools off quickly.
せやな、使者怪しいから見張れって側近に言ってたし。Chloeが介入して、RimuruとLeonのガチ戦はなさそうやろ。2ちゃん
Artorp
Maybe they can get Elmesia to mediate between them since she has the respect of both.
双方から一目置かれてるElmesiaに仲裁してもらえばいいんじゃないかな。普通くん
Low_Primary3501
I doubt Chloe would actually let the two seriously duke it out. Don’t forget that Chloe actually has a pretty big crush on Rimuru, she would never forgive Leon if he actually hurt him. In addition, Rimuru is too much of a pacifist to kill Leon for Shizu alone, might give him a slug or two though.
Chloeが2人を本気で潰し合わせるとは考えにくい。Rimuruに惚れてるし、Leonが傷つけたら許さない。Rimuruも数発殴る程度だと思う。考察くん
Can_You_Believe_It_
原文
Yeah I don't think they will get into a serious fight. Chloe will probably be involved in some way as she's been getting more scenes in the most recent episodes and Leon has backstory with her I guess being (or resembling?) his sister who he came to this world with. I imagine what will happen is Leon joins team Rimuru x Luminous and puts a stop to Yuuki and Granville's plan. I understand the whole "want to protect humans" deal Granville's got going on as humans are by far the weakest on this planet but I feel like humanity isn't exactly doing bad, if anything all the human players are the ones making it worse for themselves throughout the whole series so far lol.
ガチのバトルにはならんと思うわ。Chloeが絡んでくるやろな、最近出番増えとるし、Leonの姉(に似てる?)って設定あるからな。
たぶんLeonがRimuru&Luminous側に入ってYuukiとGranvilleの計画止める展開やろ。
人間守りたい気持ちは分かるけど、今作の人間側って自滅しとるやんwww2ちゃん
Low_Primary3501
I don’t think Chole and Leon are actually siblings. It’s a pretty common trope for male and female childhood friends to have a whole ‘nii-san’ & ’imouto’ type relationship. You see it everywhere in light novels and anime
CholeとLeonは実の兄妹ではないと思う。幼なじみ男女が「兄さん/妹」的関係になるのは、ラノベやアニメでは定番の型という考察ができる。考察くん
Can_You_Believe_It_
Yeah that's true, not to mention how different they look as well. The flashback was when both of them were young so I wonder if that's before or after they came to this world, cause Leon is an adult now but Chloe is still a child who tbh looks younger in the present than she did in the flashback (if that is meant to be her).
確かに。見た目も全然違うしね。回想は2人が若い頃っぽいけど、この世界に来る前後どっちなんだろ。Leonは大人で、Chloeは今の方が幼く見える。普通くん
mahamoti
Yeah but then maybe he'll see Jaune...
うん、でもそしたらJauneに会うかもじゃん…ギャル
Atharaphelun
With how much Leon is obsessed over Chloe, she only needs to give him a verbal smackdown and he'll immediately relent.
Leon、Chloeに執着しすぎだし、Chloeが言葉で叩きのめしたら即折れるって！感情くん
Waywoah
Like Metalbat in One Punch Man lol
One Punch ManのMetalbatみたいで草2ちゃん
PeaceAlien
I think everyone thinks fuckery is going on, just they all also think that they each have the upperhand
みんな「なんかヤバいこと起きてる」って思ってるのに、自分だけは優位だと思ってるのヤバすぎるッ！感情くん
Frontier246
原文
Also, Granville and his zombie bride or whatever tf Maria is now. Honestly it's one thing to keep your dead wifes' corpse preserved it's another thing to turn her into a thrall you can control to fight your enemies with. Jeez man. Really, I just want to see Rimuru and his new demon pals go apeshit on Yuuki and Granville for always playing stupid games. They’ve been fucking around got so long, when’s the “find out” stage coming? To be honest we probably wouldn't have any serious antagonists shows otherwise. At least Yuuki knows he can't fight Rimuru directly which is why he's just using this as a cover for a heist.
グランヴィルとゾンビ花嫁というか、今のマリアが何なのかって話だよな。死んだ妻の遺体を保存するのと、操り人形にして敵と戦わせるのは別次元だろ、と考察できる。リムルと新しい悪魔仲間がユウキとグランヴィルに本気を出す展開が見たい。散々好き放題やってきたけど、いつ痛い目見るんだ？とはいえ、そうしないと本格的な敵役がいなくなるとも読める。ユウキがリムルと正面切って戦えないと理解して、これを隠れ蓑にしてるのは頭いいわ。考察くん
DiaBoloix
I start to think that having Mariabelle's corpse buried in rubble is a good sign... for Mariabelle's rest, I mean
Mariabelleの遺体が瓦礫に埋まってるの、良い兆候に思えてきた…安らかに眠れるって意味でね普通くん
Low_Primary3501
I am pretty sure Maria is his sister and not his wife, they look far too related, cousins at most. But you never know, it’s a Japanese fantasy anime, incest is never off the table.
Mariaって嫁じゃなくて妹やろ。顔似すぎ、せいぜい従姉妹や。でも日本のファンタジーアニメやし近親相姦も普通にあるンゴ。2ちゃん
Icy-Bird-5533
Umm no? You are going offroad xd. Maria is Granbell's wife and there is no incest going on. Granbell was the hero and Maria was sent to him as a saint to support him. They later fell in love and got married.
いや違うよ？話が逸れてるw MariaはGranbellの妻で、近親相姦とかない。後に恋して結婚しただけ。普通くん
Low_Primary3501
Do you, like have eyes? They literally look like siblings.
てか目ついてる？まじで普通にきょうだいに見えるじゃん。ギャル
Icy-Bird-5533
Uh no. What u talking bout, they don't look like siblings at all. Maria is a saint and Gran is a true hero , they have no blood or cousin like relationship at all. They are completely strangers before meeting each other. I think u should try to not look with tainted glasses.
いや違うでしょ。全然兄妹に見えないよ。Mariaは聖女でGranは本物の英雄。血縁もないし、会うまでは完全に他人だよ。普通くん
diegz_eliaz
No disrespect but it’s very much stated in both ln and the episode they weren’t siblings and Maria wasn’t in any way related to him and was just sent to aid him, you assuming otherwise despite teh evidence and even if there wasn’t any is very obtuse.
失礼は承知だけど、原作LNでも本編でも兄妹じゃないと明言されてる。Mariaは血縁なく支援役。そこを逆に読むのは無理筋だと思う。考察くん
Hot-Log6283
Somebody been sniffing the kool-aid too much, everybody of the same race must be related then by that logic.
誰かさんヤバいもんキメすぎだろ…その理屈なら同じ種族は全員親戚じゃん、無理すぎるッ！感情くん
Biggsy-32
原文
I think Leon's going to see that Rimiru has subjugated the primordial demons, see that Chloe is happy and healthy. Then he's going to be very much - this is all good. Rimiru is a good guy. Let's go full big brother for Chloe, and live happily in peace with Tempest. Now. Rimiru and Hinata aren't going to be all that peaceful initially, because of Shizu. But I suspect Luminous will talk them all down.
LeonはRimiruが原初の悪魔従えて、Chloeも元気なの見て「ええやん」ってなるやろ。HinataとはShizu絡みで揉めるが、Luminousが収めそう。2ちゃん
slicer4ever
Granville and his zombie bride or whatever tf Maria is now. I feel like their has to be more to that demon/monster who gave the knife to the minister, like how does this rando have such a powerful weapon?
Granvilleと、ゾンビ花嫁っていうか今のMaria何なんだよ。大臣にナイフ渡した悪魔/怪物も絶対まだ何かあるよね。なんであんなモブが強武器持ってるんだ？普通くん
Technical_Fault7968
she is most likely sent by Guy Crimson or his two maids
あの子、たぶんGuy Crimsonかその2人のメイドに送られてきたんじゃね？ギャル
diegz_eliaz
I was thinking she might have just been a stray demon who was trying to ascend to demon lord status especially because it’s mentioned she was trying to attain souls from teh people so maybe hero and saint souls are worth far more than normal humans and she was trying to ascend in order to be equal to the primordials.
ワイは、あいつ野良の悪魔で魔王に成り上がろうとしてたんかなって思ったわ。魂集めてたし、原初と並びたかったんやろな。2ちゃん
genasugelan
Yeah, Leon seems to be cautious. Honestly, he can legit just talk to Rimuru and he'll fulfill his life-long goal. I think he could just ask for an audience and the problem could be solved and when talking to Rimuru, he finds out the children aren't owned or being sold. but of course Gran and Yuuki will definitely do some fuckery behind the scenes, so it's definitely not going to be that easy.
Leonは慎重っぽいね。正直Rimuruと話せば長年の目的達成できそう。でもGranとYuukiが裏で絶対やらかすから、そう簡単じゃなさそう。普通くん
Limp_Driver_1203
He's just going to risk it in the off chance of seeing chloe again.
あいつ、またchloeに会えるワンチャンに賭けてリスク背負うだけやろ。2ちゃん
SoylentVerdigris
I don't think it's a coincidence that they brought up the "missing" demons just before that. Leon's going to find out that Jaune (now Carrera) and possibly the other 3 high ranking demons are working for Rimuru and that might lead him to the wrong conclusions.
直前に“行方不明”の悪魔の話を出したの、偶然じゃないと思う。LeonがJaune（今はCarrera）たちがRimuru側だと知って勘違いしそう。普通くん
joe4553
Gran was marrying princess Isabella, not Maria. Maria was the saint.
いや、Granが結婚するのはprincess Isabellaで、Mariaじゃない！Mariaは聖女だよ！感情くん
Icy-Bird-5533
Maria was the saint and also the wife of Granbell. He married her.
Mariaは聖女で、Granbellの奥さんでもあったんだよ。彼女と結婚してたってわけ！ギャル
joe4553
Are you saying he was going to have two wives?
つまり彼は妻を2人持つつもりだったってこと？普通くん
Icy-Bird-5533
No no, only one. Isabella is Gran and Maria's daughter.
いやいや、1人だけだよ！IsabellaはGranとMariaの娘だから！感情くん
diegz_eliaz
I certainly hope not Isabella was his daughter and the mother of Maria bell or the mother of Mariabells mother but she DEFINITELY was not marrying gran.
いやそれはまじ違っててほしい！Isabellaは彼の娘でMaria bellの母か祖母だけど、granとは絶対結婚してないって！ギャル
deynyel
Luminous once again wearing a maid outfit. Just another reminder that she is a woman of culture.
Luminousまたメイド服で草。やっぱ“文化”がわかる女やな。2ちゃん
Frontier246
The only thing she loves more than dry-humping a frozen lady and taking baths is cosplaying.
確かに！彼女の三大趣味は凍った女性に密着・風呂・コスプレって感じだよね（笑）感情くん
discuss-not-concuss
that could easily apply to Granville since the details of Mariabell’s birth is unclear and he used to costume on Sundays
それ、Mariabellの出生が曖昧だし、日曜に仮装してたGranvilleにも普通に当てはまりそうだね。普通くん
TheDopplegamer
Not doubting your point but it was pretty clear that Mariabells mother was Isabelle, the woman being married and Gran/Maria's daughter
君の意見疑ってるわけじゃないけど、Mariabellの母親はIsabelleって結構ハッキリしてたじゃん！Gran/Mariaの娘でさ。ギャル
SnabDedraterEdave
No she isn't. That scene with Isabelle was centuries ago.
いや違うやろ。Isabelleとのあのシーン、何世紀も前の話やぞ。2ちゃん
TheDopplegamer
Then all that means is that Isabelle is a great (great x?) Grandmother, instead of being a direct parent. Doesn't really detract from my point
それならIsabelleは直接の親じゃなくて、ひい（何代か上の？）おばあちゃんってだけだね。俺の言いたいことは変わらないよ普通くん
SnabDedraterEdave
What point? You said pretty clear that Mariabells mother was Isabelle, the woman being married and Gran/Maria's daughter which is objectively not correct.
何が論点や？Mariabellの母親はIsabelleで、Gran/Mariaの娘ってハッキリ言ってたやん。普通に間違いやぞ。2ちゃん
TheDopplegamer
I feel like your being pedantic, just to be argumentative
揚げ足取りしてるだけに見えるな。言い返したいだけじゃない？普通くん
_Vagueposter_
welcome to reddit
redditへようこそッ！感情くん
Technical_Fault7968
nope Mariabel is descendant of Gran, Maria, and Isabella. the flashback happened approx thousand years ago, also fun fact the five elders Johan and Gaban and the other two who rule most of the western nations are actually descendants of Gran and Maria.
いや、MariabelはGran、Maria、Isabellaの子孫だよ。回想は約千年前。五大老のJohanとGabanたちもGranとMariaの子孫。普通くん
TheDopplegamer
Alright I've been corrected on this multiple times I dont need more. Kind of a pointless distinction, thats shes a great,great... granddaughter instead of just a daughter. My original point was that the comment above me was implying a necrophilia situation with Granville, when we already knew who Mariabell's parents were, but everyone seems to have missed that just to be pedantic
もう何回も訂正されたから2ちゃん
Exitiali
Mariabell was the reincarnation of a European noblewoman. Maria had died over a thousand years earlier. Perhaps Maria had reincarnated multiple times, retaining only the memories of her most recent life. Or perhaps Mariabell was simply born into this world bearing a resemblance to an ancestor
Mariabellは欧州貴族女性の転生体。Mariaは千年以上前に死亡。複数回転生し直近の記憶だけ保持、もしくは祖先似という考察ができる。考察くん
TheDopplegamer
Yes, but her status as an otherworlder isnt really relevant. Maybe Im getting the timeline wrong, but that doesnt really change my point of Mariabell (the person born in Tensura world) being a descendant of Maria/Isabelle. The fact that she also happened to be a reincarnated European noble doesnt matter here
そうだけど、彼女が異世界人かは関係ないと思う。時系列は勘違いかもだけど、MariabellがMaria/Isabelleの子孫って点は変わらない。普通くん
__White_Wolf_
Granbell and Maria are the "ancestors" of the Rozzo family. Isabelle, Gaban, Johan, Mariabell.. are all descendants of the OG Rozzos. We saw Mariabell's parents a couple of times already, the first time during Mariabell's backstory and the second time when they came to meet Rimuru after Mariabell's death. Isabelle must be Mariabell's great great grandmother or something like that.
GranbellとMariaはRozzo家の「祖先」。Isabelle、Gaban、Johan、Mariabellは初代Rozzoの子孫。Isabelleは高祖母あたりと考察できる。考察くん
Exitiali
原文
Yes, but her status as an otherworlder isnt really relevant. That is what enabled the family to expand its sphere of influence. Mariabell brought economic and political knowledge from the other world. The fact that she also happened to be a reincarnated European noble doesnt matter here In reality, it is inconclusive. Despite their appearance, Maria and Mariabell have very different personalities. This could be a consequence of multiple reincarnations, since of the Rosso family, only Gran had a long life expectancy (Isabelle must have died more than 1000 years ago). Or Mariabell may have simply acquired a body resembling Maria's when she reincarnated into the Rosso family.
そうだけど、異世界人や欧普通くん
TheDopplegamer
Im starting to think your either not reading/understanding my comments or we're having 2 different conversations. I said that her otherworlder status is irrelevant because the upper comment was speculating on her parentage, which we already 100% know. Pointing out her reincarnation specific lore doesnt really add anything to this specific conversation
君、俺のコメント読めてないか別の話をしてると思う。親の件は既に確定済みだから、転生関連の設定を出してもこの議論には寄与しない。考察くん
fuelbomb
What's the timeline on that though since Granville is like 1700 years old? The episode makes it seem like his wife's been dead for nearly that long.
それって時系列どうなってるんだろ。Granvilleって1700歳くらいだよね？奥さんもほぼその頃に亡くなった感じだったけど。普通くん
MokonaModokiES
原文
also from what he did by the end it seems Granville has been using some sort of Necromancy to preserver her body. Likely the reason he seems old too since Luminous pointed out how weird it was that he physically aged up. Maybe a consequence of using the necromancy. i can imagine he just kept tricking his own family to make it seem as if he were just a grandfather and not an ancestor from a thousand years ago.
終盤の描写を見るに、Granvilleは死霊術で彼女の肉体を保存してた考察ができる。老化もその副作用で、千年前の祖先ではなく祖父と偽ってたのかも。考察くん
Jacob-C
I think he has been sustaining her with his own lifeforce which ages him
彼、自分の生命力で彼女を支えてるんだと思う…だから老けていくのしんどい…感情くん
shad79
I wonder why Luminus likes wearing a maid outfit so much (not that I am complaining, she looks great in it). Is it only for a disguise, or is there something else to it?
Luminusってなんであんなにメイド服好きなんだろ（似合ってるから文句ないけど）。変装用だけ？それとも他に理由あるのかな？普通くん
mobott
Random theory, but I suspect it could be related to the frozen lady. Either frozen lady likes maids or Luminus just really wants to be hers.
適当な考察やけど、あの凍った女絡みやろ。女がメイド好きか、Luminusがガチで彼女のもんになりたいかやな。2ちゃん
Low_Primary3501
Maybe, but I think she also just likes cosplay. It is also an effective disguise, nobody would expect a powerful and proud being like a demon lord to pretend to be a maid.
たぶんね。でも彼女、普通にコスプレ好きなんだと思う。変装にも有効だし、強くて誇り高い魔王がメイドのふりするなんて誰も思わないじゃん。普通くん
Hot-Log6283
Maybe it's one of those "nobody ever suspect the butler or the maid" thing.
あれやろ、「執事やメイドは誰も疑わん」ってやつやん？2ちゃん
S627
原文
I almost started to feel bad for Grandville....until we saw him using Luminous's "Love Energy" (still wanna know what that is/involves) to necro his wife. If Grandville is so strong.....shouldnt he have known Mariabell stood no chance against Rimuru? Wonder what Leon is planning if he knows the messenger was a fake. Also we got to see him reacting to Carrera missing, I REALLY hope he finds out she's working for Rimuru as a judge of all things. Also really wanna know if Chloe remembers Leon, hoping she manages to convince him to help Rimuru. Imagine the green lady the people of Vert worship is Misery, Guy's maid? Wonder if that's how Guy is gonna find out about the other Primordials, Misery fights Diablo and during the fight Diablo tries to convince her to switch sides cause he has the majority of the Primordials.
グランヴィルにちょっと同情しかけたけど、ルミナスの「愛のエネルギー」で妻を蘇生させるの見て…（あれ何なんだろ）
・強いならマリアベルがリムルに勝てないって分かってたはずじゃん
・カレラがリムルの下で裁判官やってるってレオンに知ってほしい
・クロエがレオン覚えてて説得してくれたらいいな
・ヴェルトが崇める緑の女ってミザリー？ディアブロ戦がギィが他の原初を知るきっかけになりそう普通くん
Doyle_996
Vert is french for Green, and before being named, the primordials call each other with their corresponding colors/lineage in french.
Vertはフランス語でGreenや。名付け前の原初たちは、対応する色や系統をフランス語で呼び合ってるんやな。2ちゃん
TheMechanic04
She's the green haired maid that works for guy crimson, we saw her in season 2
彼女はguy crimsonの下で働いてる緑髪のメイドだよ。season 2で見たじゃん。普通くん
Myrkrvaldyr
shouldnt he have known Mariabell stood no chance against Rimuru? I don't think he ever personally met Rimuru or has seen his power, so you can just chalk it up to ignorance.
MariabellがRimuruに勝ち目ないって普通わかるじゃん？でも力見てないっぽいし、無知だったで片付くかもね笑ギャル
Darksider555
原文
To be fair, Rimuru has been deliberately downplaying his power, so Mariabell could have assumed that that he is on the level of a Demon Lord Seed like Clayman, Carrion or Frey, which she could likely defeat. Even in the high tier estimate, he "tied" with Hinata, that isn't a fully evolved Saint, so maybe she could keep him busy with minions until she gained control over him. Rimuru has been growing in power ever since he became a Demon Lord since a Demon Lord doesn't reach his full peak until some time after they awaken.
まあRimuruは力を隠してたし、MariabellがClaymanやCarrion、Frey級だと思っても不思議じゃない。配下で足止めして支配する算段だったのかも。普通くん
Frontier246
Even in the high tier estimate, he "tied" with Hinata, that isn't a fully evolved Saint, so maybe she could keep him busy with minions until she gained control over him. And Gran is more dangerous than Hinata who Rimuru needed Raphael to plot hax him into defeating, so he might at least put up a fight.
高めの見積もりでも奴はヒナタと「引き分け」やん、しかも完全進化した聖人でもないしな。せやから雑魚使って足止めして支配できるまで粘れるかも。それにグランはヒナタより危険やし、リムルもラファエルのハックで倒したくらいやから、まあ多少は抵抗できるやろ。2ちゃん
