転生したらスライムだった件 第4期

Huh, they talked about how Mariabel was too bold in attacking Rimuru directly. I completely agree with that considering she's supposed to be this calculating smart villain. I guess she just underestimated Rimuru too much. Raphael indirectly manipulating Rimuru (to kill Mariabel) is actually interesting. That with the glimpse of appearance confirmed that Raphael is actually another individual character rather than just being the narrator/ability menu voice over

While I normally agree, and said as much last episode, it should be noted that Rimuru has spent his entire time in this world smurfing. Even during S1, he gave Youm (who he later made king of Falmuth) credit for stopping the Orc Disaster. He didn't want to spook the surrounding kingdoms by revealing himself as strong enough to stop a nation-destroying threat. Then he did the same thing in S2 by blaming Veldora for massacring Falmuth's army, and in S3, he let everyone think he fought Hinata to a draw. He deliberately downplays his strength at every turn, and I don't think he's ever publicly revealed his personal strength. The closest would be his defeat of Clayman, but I don't think the exact details were released. No one outside the room knew it was a 1v1 beatdown, where even Rimuru's attendant (Sion) could whoop Clayman's ass single-handedly. And even if they assumed it was a fair fight 1v1, the continent at large just doesn't have a concept for the power scaling at play. Rimuru slaughtered 20,000 professional soldiers, by himself, in a single afternoon, BEFORE ascending. And according to Raphael, his awakening saw Rimuru's power increase by an entire order of magnitude. Let that sink in, pre-Ascension Rimuru was already strong enough to casually YOLO an army of professional soldiers from one of the strongest kingdoms in the West. Now he's x10 stronger... in terms of raw power, but he also has the additional force multipliers/hax abilities from FOUR different Ultimate skills. That said, it really does feel like she half-assed information gathering, tried some petty schemes at the council, then leapt to the most extreme plan when she hit a wall. I know she went to Tempest during the festival, but really, did she ever try to understand her adversary, at all, so much as just make a series of arrogant assumptions and deadly mistakes? It's like she learned nothing from all her other failed attempts to mess with Rimuru, and didn't even try to. It makes it hard to take her seriously as a "genius manipulator" that was secretly controlling half the damned world.

Yeah, we've seen from time to time how the villain underestimated Rimuru and your explanation makes total sense. I'm more disappointed from Mariabel side since they sold her as this smart manipulator. I was expecting something a bit more there. Honestly, the way she manipulated the voting/meeting to be able to evoke Rimuru's emotion got me excited that she might prove to be tricky enemy to deal with. That's why when she took the direct approach, I was not amused.

That's why when she took the direct approach, I was not amused. Word. A literal child throwing hands with a Demon Lord was NOT on my bingo card for Maribel's "master plan." The whole affair just left me feeling so very underwhelmed. You'd think she'd try and attack his reputation and trade links. Or at least do some more information gathering to come up with a proper plan beyond "throw the kitchen sink at him and arrogantly assume it'll all work out." She just assumes that Rimuru is an expansionist power that will throw his weight around and deliberately subvert control of the West. He just wanted trade. I assumed she'd realize that and try to attack him via political and economic means, but after one sloppy attempt to frame him for the murder of Engrassia's prince, she goes straight to the Godzilla threshold... which included brawling with him directly!? sigh At least Hinata and her flunkies did enough reconnaissance to realize Rimuru was an awakened Demon Lord, and were reasonably scared shitless of that fact, even if they were arrogant enough to think they still stood a chance. It still took deceit from the Seven Days Clergy to provoke a fight, though. Maribel was just arrogant. And a one-trick pony at that. She wasn't aware of her own limitations and, even after being foiled repeatedly by Rimuru, never bothered to do her homework or properly reflect on her experiences. She came across as far more... simple minded than you'd expect from the West's premiere Shadow Leader. Honestly, she came across as more like a brute wielding a really big club (Greed) than a master manipulator.

The main issue is that Mariabel had NO time to prepare. The longer she waits to kill Rimuru, the strongest Tempest becomes economically, militarily and politically. It is acknowledged in universe that Mariabel was rushing, but as Yuuki stated last episode she had terrible luck, if she had been born 10 years before she could have accomplished everything she wanted. Hell her Greed would have probably been an Ultimate Skill too, her power was at the absolute top of Unique skills despite her being 10 years old. She just had terrible luck and HAD to make a play.

She just had terrible luck and HAD to make a play. Did she? That always felt more like an assumption of hers. She seemed to be projecting her own ruthless psychopathy onto Rimuru without even trying to understand his position, yet alone strength. And you can't manipulate someone if you don't know how they tick. Or have no real understanding of the pieces on the board. She just assumed Rimuru was actively trying to take over the West, and this was her Thucydides Trap moment. Regardless if she was right or not, she was assuming hostile intent when there wasn't. Rimuru just wants trading partners and to uplift his own people, and isn't actively trying to tear down anyone that doesn't start shit first. But Maribel projected her own assumptions onto Rimuru, and died because of her arrogance.

I mean like it or not Rimuru is actively taking over the west. Falmuth is essentially a vassal state just because the king was literally assigned by Rimuru. Their entire economy is gonna be centered on Tempest. Their entire Transportation Network (Magitrain) of the West is gonna be built and managed by Tempest. The entire Job Market of adventurers is gonna be provided by Tempest via the Labyrinth (Monster slaying jobs are effectively gone after Tempest came to be as they already took care of that) The entire advancement of Technology is spearheaded by Tempest. The Military is now commanded by Tempest. Hell the entire CULTURE of Entertainment is now innovated by Tempest (Rimuru is advancing even these areas) And Rimuru unlike Humans is effectively immortal. Rimuru has effectively conquered the West without conquering the West.

Their entire Transportation Network (Magitrain) of the West is gonna be built and managed by Tempest. And this is after Tempest built an extensive, extremely well maintained road network interlinking the all the western nations bordering Jura. Like Tempest's first major move when they gained any real notoriety in the west was to build a road network rivalling the Roman empire in a world with sparse road infrastructure to start with. Even if at the current point the Magitrain would cause the entire Jura-linked economy to run far past the rest of the western nations, from basically day 1 Rimuru had set in plan a series of comprehensive infrastructure improvements that would give him an eventual economic victory over the other nations if he just waited long enough.

Part of this is that she understood better than most the economic potential he had at his command. The Founding Festival was just a fun little event for Rimuru, but to many international dignitaries and particularly an otherworlder like Mariabell, this was a massive display of both military and economic power. Most humans are unaware of the power levels in that world, but Mariabell had some understanding. She could easily see how he would eventually come to dominate the Western economy. The fact the Western Holy Church has effectively aligned with him only made that more inevitable. Her attitude was paranoid and fearful, but it is only natural. Just letting someone take over and expecting them to treat you well is not an easy thing for people to accept. Rimuru was advancing so quickly that in the time she spent trying to figure things out he would already be in control and if he did turn against them at that point, they would be at his mercy.

The reason why she underestimated him so much is because humans have a skewed view on demon lords. Stronger demon lords rarely interact with humans. Their viewpoint of what a demon lord is equivalent to Clayman, Frey and Carrion. Outside of Rimuru, the one demon lord who seems to interact with humans is Luminous, but even her true identity is known only by a handful of people. Even Yuki, who is clearly above Mariabelle's league, still seemed surprised by how strong Rimuru turned out to be.

That's a fair point, actually. It can be easy to forget that despite being absurdly powerful, Rimuru is basically a pacifist and actively downplays his strengths at every turn to avoid making people uncomfortable. It seems like time and time again we see foreign nations assume he's as strong as his weakest retainers. Like even after doing their research they upgrade him from ' threat-level sergeant ' to ' threat-level lieutenant ' when in reality he's more like ' threat-level godking ' Got a better threat-level suggestion? I can't decide, lol threat-level 'kiss your ass and your bloodline goodbye' threat-level 'GAME OVER' threat-level 'nope'

That said, it really does feel like she half-assed information gathering, tried some petty schemes at the council, then leapt to the most extreme plan when she hit a wall. It makes it hard to take her seriously as a "genius manipulator" that was secretly controlling half the damned world. It makes totally sense if you look who she was before she reincarnated. She was born into a rich family and used her wealth to get her way. In a system designed by the rich to favor the rich. Of course she thinks she is a genius, but in truth she was likely just a narcissist that played a game rigged in her favor. She is no different from our current bourgeois class. Elon Musk and co. would have had similar outcomes here if they were reincarnated instead of her.

Anyone could do what she did with that skill Okay now, you can't just say that now, because even though when most of her plans aren't super complex, it would still take a ruthless individual to pull off the shit she was doing. Like you would need to be completely comfortable with owning slaves and treating them like shiii to do half the stuff she was doing. Then theres the fact with how insanely self centered her goals were as well, I highly doubt many redditors nor other viewers of the show could do the stuff Mariabell was doing without eventually succumbing to all of their heinous actions and falling deep into a guilt ridden depression.

Tbf, Rimuru absolutely looks like the kind of guy who just lucked his way into power. Gazel called him out on it all the way back in season 2 (or maybe 3? Idk, it was after Rimuru gave a speech in the Dwargon). He just comes across as genuinely way too friendly and casual, and it makes him look like an easy mark. He's effectively baiting every opportunistic power in the world into attacking him, and he doesn't even know.

it really does feel like she half-assed information gathering, tried some petty schemes at the council, then leapt to the most extreme plan when she hit a wall. Part of that is also from her belief that she couldn't really wait and gather information. She even said that if they waited too long then Rimuru and Tempest would gather too much power/momentum and be unstoppable. So she thought she had to rush everything before Rimuru could gather even more power.

Well that’s the weird thing isn’t it? She thought that likely because of her grandfather who apparently knew luminous quite well. Grandpa doesn’t seem like an idiot so if he implied that luminous could stop a berserk Veldora, I think there might’ve been a way. Probably not a great way but enough of a way that humanity could’ve survived Maybe some kinda skill that burns through her life force or something. She does have a millennia old grudge against the lizard. It’d be weirder if she didn’t have a counter for him

Rimuru's court seems too level headed to ravage the world in this situation especially. They already know who the "bad guy" is, so they would focus their rage on them. Dwargon would probably still ally with them, and it would honestly probably do a lot for Monster-Human relations as it would be a flash point for empathy towards Tempest. It kind of shows the lack of foresight from Maribel. It's like she expected the monsters to scatter when the Alpha dies, but if she did better investigation, she'd realize Tempest is too foundationally strong. It's like killing a Roman Emperor. Sure, you killed the boss, but the Roman Empire still exists with all its legions and all its bureaucracy and infrastructure behind it. A lesson several would be Emperors had to find out the hard way. However, Veldora, Millim, or Diablo (god forbid all three) being on the loose with rage in their heart would definitely be a world threat and someone like Guy would probably have to step in with some help.

I guess she just underestimated Rimuru too much. More like she underestimated the scale of the world. She didn’t know about ultimate skills or their ability to fully nullify every other skill. That being said, her plan wasn’t bad. Isolating Rimuru and weakening him with a barrier so he could be brainwashed was pretty smart. Plus yuuki actually put up more of a fight than Rimuru s seen since Hinata. If her skill had actually been able to work on Rimuru, that probably would’ve bought her enough time to activate it

Everyone outside of the Octogram severely underestimates Rimuru. Firstly because no one (except maybe Veldora) knows that Rimuru has a semi-sentient skill that goes FAR beyond what the skill Thought Acceleration is capable of. Secondly because Rimuru has been hiding his true power at nearly every opportunity. He top servants, members of the Octogram, and Veldora/Ramiris know what he is capable of. But the rest of the world thinks he is merely another Demonlord-in-name-only who could only fight to a draw with Hinata who is merely a pretty strong human being, but not a hero like Granbell (who they mentioned was able to fight against Luminous far in the past) or the hero who sealed Veldora. They think Rimuru is just skating by because of his big brother and big sister Veldora and Milim. Thus why Gazel nearly has a heart attack every time he hears a new story about his kouhai lol

Didn't Veldora already allude to this? Ramiris was 'bigger' the last time they met, and she sulked about how she can't help it due to the timing of her reincarnation cycles. And I think that's how she got separated from the Dryads. She died, somehow, and they couldn't find her reincarnation until the reborn Ramiris decided to crash at Rimuru's place. It's heavily implied she's MUCH stronger at her peak, but the current "Pixie Ramiris" is still a far cry away from her true Fairy Queen form.

Be that as it may, it was a fumble of cataclysmic proportions. Imagine failing your goal in a super miserable way because a plan went south that results in the killing of (what you thought) your bargaining chip. Said plan angers the powerful party you wanted to control to establish your dominance. Said party then razes your entire city to the ground, effectively destroying your lifes work, including 10.000 souls. AND after all that went down, said party not only levels up even harder, somehow the dragon also gets revived. But it isn't a cute chibi dragon anymore, it's a gigantic murder-zombie dragon that absorbs magicules out of the air and destroys your entire kingdom. That's an L if I ever saw one.