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ユウキはマリアベルに支配されている。グレンダから情報を受け、リムルは自由組合(ギルド)との交流を避けようと決める。しかし、予定していた自由組合(ギルド)との遺跡調査の日が迫っていた。
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DawgDictator
Do NOT let milim get the 1911, the world won't recover
断じてミリムに1911を握らせてはならぬ。もしも奴の手に渡れば、この世界は二度と立ち直れぬほどの混沌に飲み込まれるだろう。中二病
PerfectBeige
Milim equips gun. Power: -99.9% Trigger happiness: +1%
ミリムに銃を持たせると、強さは99.9%減るが、ハッピー度が1%増える。まあそういうもんだよな。ドライおじ
Aqeelsajadjhat
Funny how if she used it using her power she could destroy the world
草 もし彼女がその力を使ったら世界を滅ぼせるっての笑えるンゴwww2ちゃん
kalirion
The gun would explode before it could even fire the shot.
やばくね!?その銃、撃つ前に爆発しちゃうじゃん笑ギャル
Aqeelsajadjhat
Fr
草www それな2ちゃん
Lord_Nivloc
I think Kurobe could build a gun that would get the shot off
フフ…クロベよ、奴の手にかかれば、一発で標的を貫く魔導銃すらも造り出すが道理。その腕前、まさに運命の歯車を狂わせる力よな。中二病
Frontier246
Every lady in Tempest is going to be packing heat at this rate, with Shuna turning it into a fashion statement.
この調子だとテンペストの女性陣みんなが武装しそうだね。シュナがそれをファッションにしてるし。普通くん
bestmaokaina
Shuna would probably carry a desert eagle with sakura flowers embossed
朱菜が桜の花のエンボス入りのデザートイーグル持ってそうでしょッ!想像しただけで優勝すぎる!感情くん
DatStabKitty
StatTrak™ Desert Eagle | Pink Sakura with Slime Engraving
草、スライム彫刻入りDesert Eagleとかガチで欲しいンゴwww2ちゃん
the_48thRonin
Milim dual wielding pistols, while Shion hand-carrying LMGs... a sight to behold.
ミリムが二丁拳銃で、シオンが手でLMG持ち歩いてるのヤバくね!?まじで見応えありすぎじゃん!ギャル
DawgDictator
Rimuru gonna get blasted if he goes to the club again
リムル、またクラブ行ったら怒られそうだな普通くん
Allian42
Rimuru is a slime, bullets don't work on him the same as they did with Souei... Shuna is gonna figure Glenda's magic bullet trick the second she picks one up, isn't she?
ふむ…リムルはスライムでござるゆえ、ソウエイのように弾丸が通用せぬ。シュナ殿がその魔法の弾丸を手に取れば、瞬時にグランダの手品を見破るでありましょうな。武士
2th
I'm much more worried about Gobta with a gun.
確かに、銃持ったゴブタの方がよっぽどヤバいわ。普通くん
Headcap
I'm never worried about Gobta, he can do no wrong and he cannot fail.
ゴブ太は全く心配してないッ!彼は絶対に間違えないし、失敗もしないからな!無敵すぎるだろッ!!感情くん
sesaman
Truth.
確かに、その通りでござる。武士
Khaix
He can absolutely fail at what he intends to do, but it'll either be amusing or it will create a situation where the eventual outcome is equal to or better than if he had originally succeeded.
確かに彼は意図したことに失敗することもあるけど、その失敗が面白い展開になったり、結果的に成功した時と同じかそれ以上の状況になったりするんだよね。普通くん
DawgDictator
I'm sure nothing could possibly go wrong with that, he's going to prove to he has a disciplined trigger finger. Nothing will stop my boy GOATta
絶対なんも問題起きねえわwwwアイツが自制心あるって証明するやろな。ワイの推しGOATtaを止められるもんはないンゴwww2ちゃん
the_48thRonin
Would be funny if he's the most disciplined firearms user in Tempest.
テンペストで一番規律正しい銃の使い手だったら笑えるな。普通くん
S627
原文
Kazalim was able to hide from Milim?!? That's something I wasn't expecting. I wonder if it was her doing, or if it was just a feature of the body she got from Thalion, seemed like Rimuru wasn't able to tell Edward wasn't real either until Gazel (somehow) pointed it out. Huh, so Yuuki doesnt have a unique skill? I still feel like he's bluffing Mariabel somehow, but if I'm wrong then I'm looking forward to Rimuru clearing him. Curious if he'll still be our enemy after. Is Mariabel's plan for Veldora simply her knowing that Luminous would fight him? If I had a nickel for every time Rimuru made the main villain assume he killed their operative.....I'd have two nickels, but funny that it happened twice.
カザリームがミリムから隠れるとはな…予想外だった。彼女自身の力か、それともサリオンから得た身体の特性か。リムルもエドワードが偽物だと気づけなかったしな。ユウキはユニークスキル持ってないのか?まだマリアベルの前で強がってる気がするが、もし違うならリムルに倒されるのを見たい。その後も敵のままか気になるな。マリアベルのヴェルドラ計画は、ルミナスと戦わせるってだけか?リムルが敵に「お前の工作員は殺した」と思わせるのは二度目だが、面白い偶然だ。ドライおじ
DawgDictator
I think Milim is more confused like "wtf I thought you ded? lol" than being able to hide from her
ミリムは「え、死んだんじゃなかったの?w」って感じで混乱してるだけだと思うよ。隠れてるわけじゃないね普通くん
S627
Yeah that was my second thought, that shes thinking "you seem familiar, but I dont know why" because she immediately forgot about Kazalim again after remembering him at Walpurgis.
ああそれなw ワルプルギスでカザリームのこと思い出したのに、またすぐ忘れちゃったから「どっかで見た気がするけど、なんでだろ?」って感じなんだろうな笑wwwおじ
raknor88
Also, especially for Milim, the gender flip is likely hiding Kazalim further.
やばっ!ミリムに関しては、性別反転でカザリムの正体をさらに隠してるってマジでそれな!てかその仕掛けやばくね?笑ギャル
OldApprentice
Oh, I remember . He was the demon lord the association of clowns followed. Believed dead after fighting the evil blonde Devil Lord who invoked Shizuku. Yuuki managed to bring his soul/spirit back into a female-looking doll. A bit like Rimuru with the dryads who are spirits only
あ、思い出した。あの道化連中が仕えてた魔王だな。悪い金髪の魔王と戦って死んだと思われてたけど、ユウキが魂を女の子みたいな人形に戻したんだよ。リムルが精霊のドライアドとやってたのと同じ感じだね。普通くん
DiamonDawgs
wait have we seen this Kazalim already??? Who is yukiis secretary?!
えっ待ってカザリームって既に登場してたっけ!?ユウキの秘書って誰なんだよ!?!?感情くん
raknor88
IIRC, she was introduced is season 2 during the Walpurgus arc. It was the reason that Yukki had the clowns working for him. He promised to bring their boss back.
ああ、確かに彼女が登場したのは第2期のワルプルギス編だなw ユウキが道化たちを手下にしてたのもそのためだったんだよな。彼らのボスを復活させると約束したんだと笑wwwおじ
OldApprentice
Yeah, that's right
それな!まじでそうじゃん!ギャル
Kagura_Of_The_Wind
Kazalim has been around for quite a while now. Her hairstyle and clothing were different this episode, so perhaps that's why you didn't recognize her.
カザリームはわりと前から登場してるよね。今回の話では髪型と服装が違ったから、気づかなかったのかもね。普通くん
Frontier246
I got the sense Milim could only see that it wasn't her actual body that she was currently in, not that she could tell who she actually was, otherwise she would've told Rimuru (unless she doesn't see Kazalim as a threat which is why she didn't bother).
ミリムは今の体が自分のじゃないってのは気づいてたけど、正体まではわかってなかったんやろな。もしわかってたらリムルに話してたはずやし(カザリームを脅威と見なしてないからわざわざ言わなかった可能性もあるけどな)2ちゃん
Powerful_Toe_8155
原文
It took her awhile to barely remember who Kazalim was during Walpurgis. The other older Octagram members like Guy seem to have almost forgotten about him too. It was the weaker members like Karion who could remember anything about him IIRC. So the three possibilities are: 1. Milim notices their body is kind of weird and artificial, or thinks there's a disconnect between their soul/body. 2. Thinks Kazalim's soul is familiar but doesn't remember why 3. Manages to recognize Kazalim but doesn't even register them on her threat radar Considering Milim would just randomly show up at Clayman's place or Frey's place because she was bored and wanted something to do, there's even a chance that she's specifically not calling out Kazalim since she's worried it'll put the expedition on hold, which means bored Milim. Even the season 2 conflict between Rimuru and Clayman went like 100x longer than it needed to go because Milim was bored and didn't just kill Clayman from the beginning.
ワルプルギスでカザリームのことを思い出すのに結構時間かかってたよね。ガイみたいな古参の八星老たちもほとんど忘れてたみたいだし。カリオンみたいな弱いメンバーの方が覚えてたんだっけ。可能性としては3つかな:1. ミリムがその体がなんか変で人工的だと気づく、もしくは魂と体の不一致を感じる 2. カザリームの魂に覚えがあるけど理由が思い出せない 3. カザリームだと認識しても脅威として全く見なさない ミリムは暇すぎてクレイマンやフレイのとこに突然遊びに行くような奴だから、遠征が中断されるのを心配してわざとカザリームを名指ししてない可能性もあるんだよな。つまり退屈してるミリムってこと。シーズン2のリムルvsクレイマンの対立だって、ミリムが暇すぎて最初からクレイマンを殺さなかったせいで100倍長引いたしね。普通くん
OldInstruction5368
原文
Further adding to the confusion... Milim wasn't in her right state of mind when she trashed Distave. She had gone on a rampage after losing her parents, and it took the combined efforts of Guy Crimsons and Ramiris three whole days to calm her down. And that was thousands of years ago. I doubt she remembers her rampage, or even that she originally trashed Distave, yet alone that it was apparently Kazalim's homeland.... yet alone Kazalim himself. She... kinda has the memory of an ADHD addled goldfish. Honestly, Veldora isn't much better. He barely remembered fighting Luminous, and that was only because she was "fun" enough to entertain him for a while. Seems like being a scatterbrain runs in the family...
ミリムがディスターヴをぶっ壊した時、正気じゃなかったってマジかよ……両親亡くして暴走して、ガイ・クリムゾンとラミリスの二人掛かりで3日かけて鎮めたって話らしいンゴ。しかも数千年前の話やし、本人はその暴走もディスターヴを潰したことも覚えてないっぽい。ましてやカザリームの故郷だったとかカザリーム自身のことなんて……完全に金魚の記憶やんwww ヴェルドラも大概で、ルミナスと戦ったのも「面白かった」って理由しか覚えてなかったしな。どうやら天然ボケは一族共通の特徴みたいやな……2ちゃん
CallMeDraken
Eh I mean, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and assume once you live as long as Milim and Veldora have you stop caring about the little details. What’s one more rampage? Also just remembering so many lifetimes of experience in general.
確かにミリムやヴェルドラくらい生きてると細かいこと気にしなくなるんだろうね。もう一回暴走したって大した問題じゃないし。それに何せ数えきれない生涯の記憶を思い出してるんだしな。普通くん
PersonalContest1423
Also there's just the fact that from the perspective of milim or veldora these huge memorable events for others were totally insignificant to them. I certainly don't remember every time I stomped on a line of ants or kicked an anthill as a kid, it just wasn't an important enough thing to commit to memory
ミリムやヴェルドラの視点で考えると、彼らにとっては他人にとっての大きな出来事が全く取るに足らないものだったという考察ができる。子供の頃に蟻の列を踏んだり蟻塚を蹴ったりした記憶を全て覚えているわけがないのと同じで、彼らにとっては記憶に残るほど重要なことではなかったんだろうな。考察くん
sesaman
Adhd affects short term memory more than long term, but still a solid theory.
ADHDは長期記憶より短期記憶に影響を与えやすいけど、それでも理論としてはありだね。普通くん
ILikeFPS
Considering Milim would just randomly show up at Clayman's place or Frey's place because she was bored and wanted something to do, there's even a chance that she's specifically not calling out Kazalim since she's worried it'll put the expedition on hold, which means bored Milim. That seems incredibly likely lmao Milim just wants to play with her bestie.
ミリムが暇つぶしにクレイマンやフレイのところに突然現れることを考えると、彼女がわざわざカザリムを呼ばないのは、遠征が中断されるのを懸念している可能性が高い。つまり、暇を持て余したミリムってわけだ。これは非常にあり得るな(笑)。ミリムは親友と遊びたいだけなんだろう。考察くん
KnightKal
her plan is to win, and if she can't win, just destroy half of the world and rebuild later under her rule. It is still a win. Who cares if most of the humanity dies, they can always make more babies she is pure evil lol
彼女の計画は「勝つこと」で、勝てないなら世界の半分を破壊して自分の支配下で再建するってことだよね。それでも勝ちってわけ。人類の大半が死のうが気にしないし、また赤ちゃん作ればいいって考え。純粋な悪役すぎて笑うわ。普通くん
CrimeFightingScience
I mean everything she did pre incarnation is probably the evilest manifistation of humanity. She got another chance and is trying to do the same thing as a 10 year old, yikes.
え、まじでやばくね!?転生前の彼女のやったことって人間の悪の権化みたいなもんじゃん。で、もう一度チャンスもらったのに10歳のくせに同じことやろうとしてるとか、やばすぎでしょ笑ギャル
Allian42
Girl knows exactly one song and you're not taking the guitar back until she is done with it.
あの子は一曲しか知らないんだから、ギターは彼女が終わるまで返してもらえないよ。普通くん
Lugia61617
Huh, so Yuuki doesnt have a unique skill? He'd be a real oddity if he genuinely doesn't, so I'm more inclined to think Rimuru simply doesn't know about it. Actually, thinking about it... what if he actually has an Ultimate skill he's keeping under wraps?
ふむ、ユウキはユニークスキルを持っていないのか?もし本当に持っていないなら相当な異例の存在だな。個人的にはリムルが単に知らないだけじゃないかと推測する。そういえば…彼が極めて秘匿している究極スキルを有している可能性はないだろうか?考察くん
Xtranathor
I wouldn't be surprised if Raphael-san knew the answer and just hasn't brought it up yet because it's not relevant!
ラファエルさんなら答えを知ってて、まだ話題にしてないだけっていうのも納得だね!今は関係ないしって感じで。普通くん
sesaman
"You never brought it up!"
「それ、一度も話してくれてなかったじゃん!」(驚きと不満が爆発しそう)感情くん
Tacitus_
I could swear that he mentioned not having one to Rimuru when they first met. But S1 anime cut a bunch of stuff from that arc so it might not have made it in.
せやな、初対面の時にリムルに「持ってない」って言ってたはずやで。でもS1のアニメであのアークの色々カットされたから、アニメには入ってなかったかもなンゴwww2ちゃん
Lugia61617
Ah, but therein lies the rub: Would Yuuki freely reveal that if it gives him an advantage to hide his skill(s)? That way people might underestimate him. Going around telling people your abilities seems like a poor play.
確かにそれが問題だよね。ユウキが自分のスキルを隠すことで有利になるなら、わざわざ教えるわけないじゃん?そうすれば周りは過小評価するし。自分の能力をペラペラ話すのは悪手だと思う。普通くん
Falloutman399
Yeah no way Yuuki doesn’t have a unique skill, his whole character is about scheming so of course he would keep quiet about it. I really don’t believe for a second that he’s actually under Maribel’s control either. He’s gotta be faking as part of his plans within plans.
ユウキがユニークスキルを持ってないわけがないよな。彼のキャラクター全体が策謀家って設定だから、当然隠してるんだろう。それにマリベルに操られてるってのも全く信じられない。彼の計画の中の計画の一環で、偽装してるに違いないという考察ができる。考察くん
justking1414
Feel like he’s been too covert to have that kinda fire power under wraps unless it’s more like an analysis skill than a combat one
彼はああいう火力を隠し持つには隠密すぎた気がするな。戦闘用っていうより分析系のスキルって感じじゃない?普通くん
Lord_Nivloc
That would check out, but I'd still be astonished if he didn't have a Unique or Ultimate with the company he keeps.
確かにそれもありえるけど、あの面子と一緒にいるならユニークか究極スキル持ってない方が驚きすぎるッ!感情くん
justking1414
Unique probably. But ultimate would put him in too high of a power category to have stayed under the radar this long
確かにユニークは妥当じゃない?でも究極スキル持ってたら強すぎて今まで隠れてられないっしょ!やばくね!?ギャル
OldInstruction5368
原文
Yeah, all the 'failed' summons that Rimuru took care of all had unique skills, right? So it'd be rather odd for Yuuki, as successful as he's been, to lack a unique skill even when 'failed' summons all had one. I think it was explained that the soul-transfer into this new world triggers the creation of unique skills. As seen when Rimuru and Hinata transferred over, the Words of the World just interprets whatever random thoughts were going through their minds at the time into skills. So it's not like you have to go out of your way to ask for a unique skill, or even need to meet certain qualifications to acquire one... I mean, Rimuru just made a joke about how being a virgin at 30 meant he was a 'wizard,' so if he turns 40 without getting laid would that make him a 'Great Sage?' Just a random silly thought that popped into his head as he lay dying... Acknowledged, acquiring unique skill "Great Sage." It just seems like there is an automatic process of forcing a unique skill onto Isekaijin as part of their transportation process. And as such, it would be really weird for Yuuki to truly lack one.
せやな。リムルが世話した「失敗召喚」連中もみんなユニークスキル持ってたしな。成功しまくってるユウキが持ってない方がおかしいわ。 異世界転生時に自動でユニークスキルが生成される仕組みやろ。リムルが「30歳童貞は魔法使い」って冗談言ったら大賢者もらったし、ヒナタも同様や。つまり、わざわざ申請せんでも転送処理の一環で強制的に付与されるっぽいンゴwww そう考えるとユウキがユニークスキル持ってないってのはガチで不自然やな。2ちゃん
__White_Wolf_
No, it's the opposite, the "failed summons" were considered failures precisely because they didn't have Unique Skills. That's why their magicules were going crazy and they were about to die. Those who had Unique Skills (like the three Otherworlders from Falmouth) were those who were considered the real prize.
いや、むしろ逆の考察ができる。「召喚失敗」とされた者たちは、ユニークスキルを持っていなかったからこそ失敗扱いされたんだ。だから魔素が暴走して死にかけてたわけだ。ユニークスキル保持者(ファルムスの三人の異世界人のように)こそが、本当の戦利品と見なされていたという構造が読み取れる。考察くん
KinoHiroshino
Last episode I think Raphael mentioned that Glenda’s unique skill helped protect her soul from getting completely lost so if Yuuki doesn’t have any unique skills then that would explain how he is completely under Maribel’s control.
前回の話でラファエルがグレンダのユニークスキルが魂の消滅を防いだって言ってたけど、ユウキがユニークスキル持ってないならマリベルに完全に操られてるのも説明つくな。普通くん
Suspicious_Deal4412
I am more and more convinced that Yuuki is playing Mirabel, I can't put my finger on it but it feels to me that Yuuki is somehow holding out information from Mirabel in regards to Rimuru.
確かに…ユウキがミラベルを操ってる説、めっちゃわかるッ!なんかユウキがリムルに関する情報をミラベルに隠してる気がして仕方ないんだよな…感情くん
Fermi_Amarti
He definitely has one. He's using this as an opportunity to have rimuru assume everything he did was just under Maribels control. He has multiple demon lords as his underlings and it appears Maribel is not aware of that.
あいつ絶対裏で何か企んでるね。今回の件を利用して、リムルに「全部マリベルの支配下でやったことだ」って思わせようとしてるんだ。複数の魔王を部下にしてるのに、マリベルはそれに気づいてないみたいだし。普通くん
Frontier246
原文
Huh, so Yuuki doesnt have a unique skill? I still feel like he's bluffing Mariabel somehow, but if I'm wrong then I'm looking forward to Rimuru clearing him. Curious if he'll still be our enemy after. I feel like Yuuki wants everyone to underestimate him or not think much of how powerful he actually is. Especially when he's done so much scheming and hasn't actually fought anyone, but the OP makes it look like that's about to change. Is Mariabel's plan for Veldora simply her knowing that Luminous would fight him? It's not like they've established they have any reasonable counter to him otherwise. If I had a nickel for every time Rimuru made the main villain assume he killed their operative.....I'd have two nickels, but funny that it happened twice. Time will tell if Mariabel will prove to be as much of a clown show as Clayman when pitted up against Rimuru this directly.
ふむ、ユウキはユニークスキルを持っていないのか。個人的にはマリアベルの前で何か虚勢を張っている可能性を感じるんだが、もしそうでなければリムルが彼を始末する展開が楽しみだ。その後も敵対関係が続くのか気になるな。ユウキは周囲に実力を過小評価させたい、あるいは本当の強さを悟らせたくないという意図があるように思える。特にこれまで数々の策略を巡らせておきながら直接戦闘を避けてきた点が示唆的だ。ただ、OP映像を見る限り状況が変わりそうだ。マリアベルのヴェルドラに対する計画は、単にルミナスと戦わせることを前提にしているのか?彼女たちに他に対抗策があるとは思えないが。リムルが敵の幹部を倒したと敵側が誤認するケースが二度も続くとは面白い。マリアベルがクレイマンのような滑稽な末路を辿るかどうかは、今後の直接対決次第だろう。考察くん
Not__Trash
Just sayin' the OP has jebaited us already with a Diablo v Rimuru fight (I think).
OPのOPでディアブロvsリムルの戦いっぽいのに騙された気がするわ(たぶん)。普通くん
Allian42
Might wanna watch that again. OP teases Rimuru vs Yuuki and Diablo and co. vs the big dragon.
え、マジで!?もう一回見た方がいいかも!OPでリムルvsユウキとディアブロたちvsデカいドラゴンがチラ見せされてるんだけどヤバくね!?ギャル
Xtranathor
原文
What I think was weird is that Gran referred to Luminous as a demon lord. How many members of the Seven Days were aware of this, and more to the point, why does Gran accept Luminous as a Demon Lord that can side with humanity, whilst Rimiru isn't allowed the chance to prove he's trustworthy? Is it just because Rimiru is seen as an easy target, whilst Luminous is presumed to be too tough? Perhaps they are happy to have Veldora fight Luminous in the hopes of taking her out too!
グランがルミナスを魔王って呼んでたのが気になるンゴ…七曜の連中はどんだけ知ってたんやろ。つーかグランはルミナスを人間側につく魔王として認めてんのに、リムルにはチャンスすら与えねぇのなんなん?リムルがカモに見られてて、ルミナスは手強いから認めてるとか?ひょっとしてヴェルドラにルミナスをやらせて、ついでに消そうって腹積もりかもなwww2ちゃん
S627
I'm assuming they dont like Rimuru just because of the rate of expansion of Tempest. Luminous has been slowly rebuilding her empire since Veldora destroyed the capital hundreds of years ago, meanwhile Tempest is about to rival them in only a couple years.
リムルたちが嫌いなのは、単にテンペストの拡大スピードが原因だろうね。ルミナスは何百年もかけてゆっくり帝国を再建してきたのに、テンペストは数年でそれに匹敵しようとしてるんだから。普通くん
mischievous_shota
Luminous has also been fine with human supremacy until Rimuru came along. So she has a long record of acting in humanity's favour.
リムルが来るまではルミナスも人間至上主義で問題なかったんだよね。だから彼女が人間側に立って行動してきた長い実績があるってことか。マジでその通りすぎるッ!感情くん
Great-Foundation4990
This is it right here. The Rozzos don't want to "protect" humanity. They want to rule humanity and monsters are a threat to that because they are far more powerful.
これが核心だね。ロッゾ達は人類を「守りたい」んじゃなくて、支配したいんだよ。モンスターは人間よりはるかに強いから、その支配にとって脅威なんだ。普通くん
tehnibi
well Gran and Luminous fought thousand(s) of years ago when she was still the main face of the vampires being a demon lord they eventually stopped fighting and came to a understanding after awhile, he still never really liked her though but she was not an outright threat to all of humanity but he still kind of treats her as one I guess? remember Gran is a very old hero of light
グランとルミナスの戦いは数千年前やで。当時ルミナスは吸血鬼のトップで魔王やってたけど、最終的に戦いをやめてお互い妥協したんや。でもグランは今でもあんまアイツのこと好きちゃうけどな。人類全体への明確な脅威ってわけじゃないけど、なんかまだそう扱ってる気がすんねん。グランって超古い光の勇者やからな。2ちゃん
Xtranathor
Thanks for that. I'm anime only, so I don't think think their history of clashing blades had been revealed. Would that mean that he was only part of the Seven Days to keep an eye on her, and that he wasn't interested in receiving her love power (or whatever it was the rest of the Seven Days wanted)?
ありがとう。アニメしか見てないから、剣を交えた過去はまだ明かされてなかったんだよね。つまり彼は七日戦争に参加したのも彼女を監視するためだけで、他のメンバーが欲しがってた愛の力(とか)には興味がなかったってことになるのかな?普通くん
tehnibi
Luminous goes over their history in Season 3 I have no idea when the Seven Days group came to fruition but it is implied that he had always been the leader of it
ルミナスが第3期で過去話してたけどさ、七曜がいつ結成されたのか全くわかんないんだよな。でも彼がずっとリーダーだったって暗示されてるっぽい。感情くん
Xtranathor
Thanks. I rewatched it about a month ago, but I guess that detail didn't stick for me. Now he's a more prominent character, I'll pay attention on my next rewatch!
ありがとう。1ヶ月前に見直したんだけど、その細かいところは覚えてなかったみたいだ。今はもっと目立つキャラになってるし、次に見直す時は注目してみるよ!普通くん
mischievous_shota
seemed like Rimuru wasn't able to tell Edward wasn't real either until Gazel (somehow) pointed it out. Remind me what this is about? I don't remember it.
えっ、リムルもエドワードが偽物って気づけてなかったってこと!?ガゼルが指摘するまでわかんなかったんだ〜。てかこれ何の話だっけ?あんま覚えてないんだけど笑ギャル
S627
原文
Ep 37, season 2 ep 14 "Visitors" at the end of the ep. After Rimuru becomes a Demon Lord, Gazel shows up to talk to him, and then Edward shows up. Gazel is surprised to see him in person, but then says something like "No, in that body...." to which Edward confirms its a homunculus, and then Rimuru says in a surprised tone "Oh, a homunculus body that's indistinguishable from human." I'm just assuming since he was surprised that he couldnt tell.
エピ37のラスト、リムルが魔王になってからガゼルが話しに来て、そこにエドワード登場。ガゼルが「その身体…まさか」って驚いて、エドワードがホムンクルスって認めるんやな。んでリムルが「人間と区別つかんホムンクルスか…」って驚いてたわ。ワイもリムルと同じで見抜けんかったンゴwww2ちゃん
mischievous_shota
Omg, that's Erald, not Edward. Erald is the elf, Edward was the prick from Falmuth.
あ、エラルドだね、エドワードじゃない。エラルドはエルフで、エドワードはファルムスの嫌な奴だったんだよ。普通くん
S627
Yeah I'm bad with names, I shoulda just said Erin's dad. I dont even remember an "Edward from Falmuth."
あー私も名前覚えるの苦手なんだよね笑 エリンのパパって言えばよかったわ! てかファルムスのエドワードって誰だよ、覚えてないんだけど!ギャル
mischievous_shota
Edward was the previous king's brother who was made king and tried to get out of paying reparations to Tempest.
エドワードって前の王の弟で無理やり王にされて、テンペストへの賠償金払いを逃れようとした奴だよね。普通くん
justking1414
原文
Kazalim was able to hide from Milim?!? That's something I wasn't expecting. I wonder if it was her doing, or if it was just a feature of the body she got from Thalion, seemed like Rimuru wasn't able to tell Edward wasn't real either until Gazel (somehow) pointed it out. Technically that dude was projecting himself into a golem whereas for kazalim, it’s their actual body so there might be less evidence. Plus Milim was certain that something was off Is Mariabel's plan for Veldora simply her knowing that Luminous would fight him? Why not? Luminous spent millennia plotting her vengeance against him. She must have some strategy that would actually best him, and it’s not like Maribel cares about collateral damage.
カザリームがミリムから隠れられたってマジ?!予想外すぎて草www 本人の能力なのか、それともサリオンから貰った体の特性なのか気になるンゴねぇ リムルもガゼルに指摘されるまでエドワードが偽物って気づかなかったし… カザリームの場合は実体そのものだから、幻影よりバレにくいんかもな ミリムも何かおかしいって確信してたしな マリアベルのヴェルドラ計画って、単にルミナスと戦わせるのが目的なんか? ルミナスは何千年も復讐計画練ってたわけだし、勝算ある戦略持ってるっしょ マリアベルが被害とか気にするタイプじゃないしな2ちゃん
Great-Foundation4990
原文
I doubt it. True dragons are literally a force of nature and now she has the added monkey wrench of his friendship with Rimuru. Anything she could do to neutralize him, because there is no "killing" him, could be undone by Rimuru. Frankly, as pissed as she is, I don't think she has the energy to deal with his hyperactive self. Especially considering he is basically behaving himself due to having an outlet for his energy.
確かにそれは難しいと思うよ。真なるドラゴンって文字通り自然の力みたいなものだし、それにリムルとの友情って要素が加わってるからね。彼を「殺す」ことは不可能だし、仮に何か対策を取ってもリムルが全部台無しにするだろうし。正直、あれだけ怒ってても、あのハイパーな奴に対応する気力はないんじゃないかな。特に今はエネルギーのはけ口があっておとなしくしてるからね。普通くん
justking1414
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could be undone by Rimuru Yeah but Maribel would only need to deal with Veldora if Rimuru was already dead or under her control. As for luminous besting the big lizard, my best guess is that she’d drain his energy regularly enough to basically keep him in a coma. She managed to do something similar in their earlier fight. Sure Veldora was probably not going all out but if the strategy could work, then she and Hinata would find a way to make it work
リムルなら何とかできそうやけどな マリベル的にはリムルが死んでるか支配下にないとヴェルドーラとやり合う必要ないしな んでルミナスがあのデカいトカゲに勝ったって話やけど、多分定期的にエネルギー吸い取って実質昏睡状態にしたんやろな 前の戦いでも似たようなことやってたし 確かにヴェルドーラは本気じゃなかったやろうけど、その戦略が通用するならルミナスとヒナタで何とかするやろwww2ちゃん
tarutaru99
I'd be pissed if Yuuki ends up being a good guy by the end. He's insufferable imo.
ユウキが最後にいいやつになるならマジでイライラするわ。あいつはマジで我慢ならないと思う。普通くん
Great-Foundation4990
🫢
やばくね!?この顔まじでやばいっしょ笑ギャル
genasugelan
Who's Kazalim? If you might remind me?
カザリムって誰やっけ?思い出させてくれや2ちゃん
WhoiusBarrel
I'm merely a harmless slime. Rimuru bro really said that despite all the feats his accomplished after 3 seasons+, is actually fucking hilarious. Especially when everyone else thought he was joking.
「私はただの無害なスライムです」ってリムuruが言うんだけど、3シーズン以上やってきた功績考えたらマジで笑えるじゃん!特にみんなが冗談だと思ってたとこwwwギャル
Frontier246
I love how this level of obliviousness was so shocking even Soei was slack-jawed.
ソエイですらポカーンってなるレベルの鈍感さ草生えるわwww2ちゃん
Inverse_Delta
Mfer had the the audacity to think he's harmless after wiping out a -what was the size of that army that invaded Tempest? Over 200k soldiers was it or something? In the blink of an eye with batting an eyelid? Like, Rimuru, come on, let's try being at least a little realistic here.
あの野郎、テンペストに侵攻してきた軍の数どれくらいだっけ?20万以上?それを一瞬で消し去ったくせに「自分は無害」とか言っちゃうのかよ。リムルよ、せめてちょっとは現実見ようぜ。普通くん
Xtranathor
20k humans
2万人の人間か…しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
Inverse_Delta
My brain added an extra 0 on because for some reason I thought the act was significantly more impressive than it was. 20k is a.much more realistic number given the size of the camps they had set up, obviously, and 20k is still a very good feat, but damn was I off lmao
脳内で勝手に0を一個多く足しちゃってたわ。なんか無意識にもっとすごいと思い込んでたみたい。20kならあのキャンプの規模的に現実的な数字だし、それでも十分すごい feat なんだけど、俺の勘違いっぷりがヤバすぎるわ笑普通くん
Xtranathor
原文
It's interesting because the size of the Orc Lord's army was 200k, and supposedly there were 150k left of them after the battle. Not sure how orcs and humans compare, but the scale of each battle was significantly different. Doesn't matter though; if it was 200k humans, Rimiru would have beaten that number with ease I think. It was convenient though, because he only needed to kill 10k, and I think the humans would have been far more disturbed if they lost 200k! I think the numbers worked out well enough.
オークロードの軍勢20万、戦闘後残ったのが15万か…人間とオークじゃ戦力比が全然違うけど、リムルなら人間相手でも余裕で倒せたやろな。でも実際は1万だけ殺せばよかったから、人間が20万も死んだらヤバかったって話やな。数字のバランスはちょうどよかったンゴwww2ちゃん
OldInstruction5368
原文
Right!? He even earned the skill "Merciless One" or some such in the process, which let him instantly kill anyone that lost the will to fight in his presence. Then used it to Thanos Snap the remaining army into oblivion. Several thousand... 10k+ I think, killed all in the same instant. "Harmless" Right. And after his Harvest Festival, his power exploded by at least an order of magnitude. IIRC, Rapheal explicitly told Rimuru he's at least x10 stronger than he was pre-ascension. So "Single-handedly murder an entire army in a single afternoon" was his level of strength before getting a x10 boost.
確かに!しかもその過程で「無慈悲な者」とかいうスキルも習得してたんだよね。それで戦意を失った相手を瞬殺できるようになって、残った軍勢をサノスみたいに消し去ったんだ。数千、いや1万以上か?一瞬で全滅させたんだよ。「無害」って…ね。しかも収穫祭の後は、少なくとも10倍はパワーアップしてた。確かラファエルがリムルに「進化前より最低10倍は強い」って言ってたし。「たった一人で丸一日で軍勢を全滅させる」ってのが、10倍バフ前の実力だったってことだよ。普通くん
KinoHiroshino
I don’t think he has Merciless One anymore at least. I’m pretty sure it was one of the skills Raphael sacrificed to the thing(?) during Rimuru’s Demon Lord evolution.
せやな、少なくとも無慈悲なやつはもう持ってないと思うわ。多分ラファエルがリムルの魔王進化中にあの何かに犠牲にしたスキルの1つやろな。2ちゃん
Great-Foundation4990
You're correct, It was sacrificed to increase the percentage to evolve.
確かにその通りだね。進化の確率を上げるために犠牲にされたんだと思う。普通くん
Paladinraye
Evolved skills retain the abilities of their sub skills.
進化スキルは下位スキルの能力そのまま引き継ぐってワケか。そら便利やな草2ちゃん
KinoHiroshino
But Merciless One didn’t evolve. It was sacrificed to help other skills evolve.
でも無慈悲なやつは進化しなかったね。他のスキルの進化のために犠牲になったんだ。普通くん
HolyDragSwd2500
How could a cute slime be this dangerous to the world
かわいいスライムが世界の脅威とか草生えるわwww でもそれでいいんだよな2ちゃん
raknor88
Rimuru bro really said that despite all the feats his accomplished It may not be his intention, but that is how he constantly gets all his enemies to vastly underestimate his power and abilities. He constantly undersells himself.
リムuru兄貴は自身の成し遂げた数々の偉業を踏まえても、意図的ではないにせよ、常に敵に自分の実力を過小評価させる戦略を取っていると言える。自己評価を低く見せることで、相手に慢心を誘っていると考察できる。考察くん
justking1414
Technically he wasn’t saying he was weak. Just that he didn’t wanna fight anybody, which is technically true
まじそれな!弱いって言ってるわけじゃなくて、ただ戦いたくないってだけじゃん。確かにその通りだし笑ギャル
OldInstruction5368
原文
He is an AWAKENED Demon Lord. One of only a scant few in existence, as I can only think of three other confirmed True Demon Lords: Guy Crimson, Milim, and Luminous. Out of the rest of the Octagram, Ramiris is confirmed to NOT be Awakened on account of her being fundamentally incompatible with that mechanism (Fairy Queen can't cultivate a Demon Seed). She just became 'corrupted' by the released Dragon and Demon energies of Milim and Guy fighting, and as such, was "recognized' as one of the first Demon Lords. Otherwise, she's more of an elemental spirit iirc? One that would summon spirits to aid the quests of human "heroes." Of the remaining three, it hasn't been confirmed one way or another if they are True Demon Lords or just "Recognized" Demon Lords. But Ramiris and the three "lesser" Lords of Carrion, Frey, and Clayman mean that being Awakened is not a requirement. As such, we can't assume the others (Leon, Daggruel, Dino) are all Awakened. So... yeah. It's pretty crazy that Rimuru could be one of maybe just FOUR True Demon Lords in existence, and still consider himself "harmless." FFS, he single-handedly slaughtered an entire army of 10,000+ soldiers... then killed a partially-awakened Clayman. Then beat Hinata, the strongest recognized human, in a duel. "Harmless" Uh-huh.
彼は「覚醒した魔王」だ。存在自体が極めて稀で、確実な真の魔王はガイ・クリムゾン、ミリム、ルミナスの3人しか思い浮かばない。八星魔王の残りメンバーを見ると、ラミリスは妖精女王ゆえに魔素の種を育てられず、覚醒とは根本的に相容れない構造で、ミリムとガイの戦いで解放された龍魔素に「汚染」された結果、最初期の魔王として「認識」されたに過ぎない。本来は精霊のような存在で、人間の英雄のクエストを助けるために精霊を召喚していたはずだ。残る3人(レオン、ダグリュール、ディーノ)が真の魔王か「認定」魔王かは未確定。つまり覚醒は必須条件ではない。リムルが全世界でおそらく4人しかいない真の魔王の一角でありながら、自分を「無害」と称するのは驚異的だ。実際は単独で1万以上の兵を殲滅し、半覚醒のクレイマンを葬り、最強の認定人間ヒナタを決闘で打ち負かした。「無害」ね、ふん。考察くん
PersonalContest1423
Its not even funny at this point. That level of stupidity is just annoying after everything he's done and the fact that he's a fucking demon lord
もう笑えねぇわ。こんだけやってきてあのレベルのアホさは流石にイラつくわ。つーか魔王やんこいつwww2ちゃん
AceSoldia
Still dont believe Yuuki is under her control for even a second. I'm worried about Rimuru making guns though..that is just asking for bad. Poor Shion..she just wanted to show off the new outfit, it was wonderful and fit her well.
ユウキが彼女に操られてるなんて全然信じられないな。でもリムルが銃を作るのはちょっと心配…絶対ロクなことにならなそう。シオンかわいそうに…新しい衣装を見せたかっただけなのに、すごく似合ってて良かったのにね。普通くん
KnightKal
normal guns wouldn't work on powerful people, and a magic gun would just be like any other magical weapon
まじで普通の銃は強い奴には効かないじゃん?魔法銃とかも結局は他の魔法武器と変わんないしね〜ギャル
Frontier246
Rimuru just wants to have them because it's cool to shoot a gun. Just look at Gobta posing with it! And he's the one I would least want to trust with a firearm lol.
リムルが銃を欲しがってるの、ただカッコいいからって理由なのが笑える。ゴブタが構えてる姿見てよ!あいつに一番銃を任せたくないわw普通くん
Cant-think-a-name
I am at the same time completely sure that: the magic guns they have made are completely unremarkable in their power for Tempest standards Gobta is going to turn his gun into another surprisingly powerful piece of his accidentally strong build
確かにこれは興味深い考察だ。テンペスト基準で見れば、彼らの作った魔導銃は火力としては特筆すべきものではないというのは納得できる。むしろ注目すべきは、ゴブタがその銃をまたしても意図せず強力な装備へと進化させてしまう点だな。彼の「偶然のビルド」が毎回予想外の強さを発揮するのは、1期からの伏線とも言える。考察くん
Xtranathor
He's merged with Ranga; next up is a gun!
ラプソディと合体したし、次は銃だって!?優勝すぎるッ!感情くん
mischievous_shota
The Gun Devil Goblin Actually, Gun Goblin Gobta has a nice ring to it.
草、ゴブタのガンゴブリンって呼び方ええやんwww ガンデビルゴブリンよりガンゴブリンゴブタの方が語感ええわ2ちゃん
KnightKal
They can just make a staff in the format of a gun, that would consume the user mana and activate with their skills. So just a cool looking staff/wand.
やばくね!?魔法を銃の形にして、使用者の魔力で動く杖とか作れちゃうじゃん!しかもクールな見た目でさ、まじアリだと思うんだけど!ギャル
hanmkim
That gun was barely powerful by 9mm standards from what it did to that target.
あの銃、標的に与えたダメージ見る限り9mm並みの威力しかなかったね。普通くん
Not__Trash
Bro had NO trigger discipline though.
草、引き金から指離せないガバガバやんwww2ちゃん
Golden_Phi
I don't think that has been invented in this world yet.
その世界にはまだ発明されてないと思うよ。普通くん
baseballlover723
原文
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justking1414
Only people in tempest who would be endangered by those guns are the regular humans who would be obliterated If Rimuru sneezed in their direction
草、リムルがくしゃみしただけで吹き飛ぶ一般市民が可哀想すぎるンゴwww 確かに銃で危険なのはテンペストの雑魚市民だけやな、リムル様の前じゃ意味ないわ2ちゃん
the_48thRonin
Tempest researchers will have fun with developing this tech.
テンペストの研究者たち、この技術開発楽しそうじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
Earlier-Today
In this setting, with magic so prevalent, the only benefit guns would seem to have is how much easier they are to aim and concealment (which is pretty darn good for a ranged weapon).
確かに!魔法全盛の世界で銃の優位性って「扱いやすさ」と「隠蔽性」ってのがデカすぎるッ!遠距離武器としてそれだけで十分ヤバいよね!感情くん
DawgDictator
I feel like Yuuki is doing the same thing Milim was with Clayman, he feels like he's supposed to be a bigger boss than "named henchman 12"
ユウキはミリムがクレイマンにやってたのと同じことしてる気がするな。なんか「名前付きの手下その12」よりはもっと大きなボスっぽい存在だと思うんだよね。普通くん
raknor88
And the reason that he's playing along is that once Rimuru "frees" him from her control he'll be back in Tempest's good graces. He hates that he overplayed his hand and now Rimuru doesn't trust him anymore.
せやな、リムルに「解放」されたらテンペストの信用取り戻せるって魂胆やろな。自分のやりすぎでリムルに信用失ったのを悔やんでるンゴwww 草2ちゃん
PerfectBeige
Still dont believe Yuuki is under her control for even a second. Unless I'm missing something, Yuuki saying "Joining forces with a Demon Lord is inconceivable" while actively working with and trying to restore to power Kazalim is strong evidence that he is not controlled, and that Maribel does not know about his conspiracy with the Moderate Harlequin Alliance.
ユウキが彼女の支配下にあるなんて、一瞬も信じられないな。何か見落としてるのかもしれないけど、ユウキが「魔王と手を組むなんて考えられない」って言いながらカザリムを復権させようとしてるのは、彼が操られてない証拠だと思う。マリベルはユウキと道化同盟の陰謀に気づいてないんだろうね。普通くん
Jacob-C
Very good point!
確かに!それな!めっちゃ良いポイントすぎるッ!感情くん
Frontier246
原文
Still dont believe Yuuki is under her control for even a second. The way they framed him talking about his ambition versus Maribel being convinced that's how she's controlling him...it's definitely being left ambiguous to an extent. I'm worried about Rimuru making guns though..that is just asking for bad. Can't wait to see the Tempest NRA chapter! Poor Shion..she just wanted to show off the new outfit, it was wonderful and fit her well. Sure, the outfit was more on-theme for heading to a fashion district than exploring ruins, but even if it was out-of-theme it's not like everyone else' outfits were practical! They didn't even have an exploration outfit ready for her! It's so unfair!
ユウキがマリベルの支配下にあるって話は全然信じられないな。彼が野望を語るシーンと、マリベルがそれで操れてると思い込んでる描写…意図的に曖昧にしてる感じだよね。リムルが銃を作るのは心配だわ…絶対ロクなことにならない気がする。テンペストNRA編が待ちきれない!シオンかわいそう…ただ新衣装を披露したかっただけなのに、すごく似合ってて良かったのに。確かに遺跡探索よりファッション街向きだけど、他のメンバーの服装だって実用的じゃなかったし!そもそも探索用の服を用意すらしてなかったじゃん!ひどすぎるよ!普通くん
Allian42
The way they framed him talking about his ambition versus Maribel being convinced that's how she's controlling him...it's definitely being left ambiguous to an extent. To be fair, if her unique skill has an easier time controlling someone the more ambitions they are, like she implied, Yuuki would have a major weak point there. He is very ambitious.
せやな、ユウキの野望語る場面とマリベルが「それでコントロールしてる」って確信してるのが対比になってて、結構曖昧に描かれてるンゴね。でもマリベルが言うように、ユニークスキルが野心強いほど操りやすいなら、ユウキはガチで弱点突かれてるかもな。あいつ野心家すぎるしwww2ちゃん
VritraReiRei
Based on what Rimuru said, I'm thinking Yuuki is "supposedly" under control to throw suspicion off himself, the same way Light wasn't Kira temporarily in Death Note.
リムルの発言からすると、ユウキは「表向きは」監視下にあるってことだよね。自分への疑いをそらすために。まるでデスノートでライトが一時的にキラじゃなくなったのと同じ感じだな。普通くん
Atharaphelun
Poor Shion..she just wanted to show off the new outfit, it was wonderful and fit her well. Speaking of which, is it just me, or did her voice completely change entirely?
しおんちゃんかわいそうすぎんだけど!新しい衣装めっちゃ似合ってて最高だったじゃん!てか声、完全に変わったよね?私だけ?ギャル
OppositeAd7278
There's a third option: Being controlled by Mariabel is calculated into his plan, and he probably will use Rimuru to defeat Mariabel
選択肢は三つ目もあるよ。マリアベルに操られることも計算済みで、リムルを使ってマリアベルを倒すつもりなんじゃないかな。普通くん
hanmkim
Saying that Rimuru can be defeated when he's alone sounds like he's leading Maribel into a trap.
それな!リムルが一人の時に倒せるって言うのは、絶対マリベルを罠に誘導してるパターンだよなッ!感情くん
Great-Foundation4990
I actually do, because of the way her skill works. If he is truly as greedy as we are led to believe, I can see him getting enthralled. It would especially explain a lot of his actions.
確かにそれわかる!彼女のスキルの仕組み的にさ、もし彼が言われてるほどガメツイやつなら、まじで魅了されちゃうかもじゃん?それで彼の行動のいろいろ説明つくし!ギャル
raknor88
Still dont believe Yuuki is under her control for even a second. Yeah, he can tell when she is using more power, but he's not under her control. Also, she is vastly underestimating Milim's and Rimuru's power. Other than her unpredictable personality, there's a really good reason everyone had been terrified of her before Rimuru fed her honey.
ユウキが彼女の支配下にあるなんて、全然信じられないな。確かに彼女が力を強めてるのは察知できるけど、操られてるわけじゃないよ。それに、彼女はミリムとリムルの力をかなり過小評価してる。予測不能な性格以外にも、リムルがハチミツを与える前からみんなが彼女を恐れてた理由はちゃんとあるんだよね。普通くん
VoidRay728
原文
Ngl, the new Tempest Parliament building reminds me of one of those imposing government headquarters that you'll find in a communist (or ex-communist) countries, like the one in Romania. Souei NOT beating the allegations of rizzing up his female targets, now that Glenda's assigned to be under his wing. Lol at the fact that for the expedition, Rimuru, Milim and Gobta all dressed up in traditional gear, like Indiana Jones, yet when it comes to means of transportation, they just do it the most un-traditional way and straight up portaled to there.
新しくできたテンペストの議会堂、あれってまるでルーマニアとか共産圏(あるいは元共産国)にあるような威圧的な政府庁舎を彷彿とさせるな。そしてソウエイ、今回も「任務対象を口説く疑惑」がついに確定しそうだな。グレンダが彼の配下に配属されたということは。遠征に際してリムル、ミリム、ゴブタが全員インディ・ジョーンズばりに伝統的な装束で決めてきたのに、移動手段だけは最も非伝統的な方法でポータル直通だったのは笑うしかない。考察くん
Frontier246
原文
Ngl, the new Tempest Parliament building reminds me of one of those imposing government headquarters that you'll find in a communist (or ex-communist) countries, like the one in Romania. They've even got Slime Rimuru on there like he's a Greek God lol. Souei NOT beating the allegations of rizzing up his female targets, now that Glenda's assigned to be under his wing. I feel like she and Souka are going to get along swimmingly. Lol at the fact that for the expedition, Rimuru, Milim and Gobta all dressed up in traditional gear, like Indiana Jones, yet when it comes to means of transportation, they just do it the most un-traditional way and straight up portaled to there. Kazarim: "Why are you all dressed like you're in some fictional adventure series? Don't you know you're supposed to dress in layers?"
新しくできたテンペストの国会議事堂、なんかルーマニアとかの共産国(元共産国)にある厳つい政府本部ビル思い出すわ。あとスライム・リムルがギリシャ神の神様みたいに飾られてて草。ソウエイが女性ターゲットを口説く疑惑はやっぱり否定できないな、グレンダが彼の配下になったし。彼女とソウカは仲良くなりそうでいい感じ。遠征でリムル、ミリム、ゴブタがインディ・ジョーンズみたいな伝統的な装備で揃えたのに、移動手段だけは超非伝統的でそのままポータルで飛んだの笑う。カザリム:「なんでお前ら架空の冒険シリーズみたいな格好してんだよ。重ね着しろよ」って感じ。普通くん
diacewrb
Rimuru, Milim and Gobta all dressed up in traditional gear, like Indiana Jones When Maribel's henchmen try their luck with swords on them, hoping they pull an Indiana Jones with their guns.
やばくね!?リムル、ミリム、ゴブタがみんな伝統的な装備で決めてて、インディ・ジョーンズみたいじゃん!マリベルの手下が剣で挑んできて、銃でインディ・ジョーンズみたいにやっちゃうの期待してる感じ?笑ギャル
mischievous_shota
Now that I think about it, that's definitely going to happen. They even showed Gobta with his own gun.
確かにそうなるだろうね。ゴブタが銃持ってるところも出てたし。普通くん
justking1414
Ngl, the new Tempest Parliament building reminds me of one of those imposing government headquarters that you'll find in a communist (or ex-communist) countries, like the one in Romania. Only the outside. The inside is super chill and relaxed
確かに新・テンペスト国会議事堂の外観は、ルーマニアの旧共産圏に見られるような威圧的な政府庁舎を想起させる。だが内部は極めてリラックスした空間設計だ。この外観と内装のギャップこそ、リムルが理想とする「強固な統治機構と自由な市民生活の両立」を象徴していると考察できる。制作陣は建築様式を通じて国家理念を表現しているんだな。考察くん
genasugelan
Reminder that It's the largest civilian administrative building and the heaviest building in the world. Nothing about communists than building the most extravagant shit on the planet instead of investing in the population, which they preach so much.
念のため言っておくけど、あれは世界最大の民間行政ビルで、世界一重い建物なんだよ。共産主義者が国民への投資を説きながら、地球で最も贅沢なものを作るって、皮肉以外の何物でもないよね。普通くん
Jacob-C
Difference here is that Tempest can afford to invest in a building like that without hurting the budget reserved for the population lol.
それな!テンペストやばくね?笑 国民の予算削らずにこんな建築にガンガン投資できるのまじですごいわ〜ギャル
Earlier-Today
I always associate Brutalist architecture with old Communism - like the USSR's buildings.
せやな、ブルータリズム建築ってワイもソ連の古い建物思い出すわ。草2ちゃん
Sleepy10105s
Oh good both sides are underestimating each other…perfect
両方が互いを過小評価してるのか…完璧だね普通くん
Frontier246
At this point it's basically going to be a game of trap, counter trap, and counter counter trap to see who the final victor is. At least until Shion just reality bends everything for Rimuru's sake.
もうこの段階じゃ罠合戦すぎる!誰が勝つか全然読めないッ!でも最後はシオンがリムルのために現実ブッ壊すんだろうな…エモすぎる!感情くん
Allian42
It's hilarious to me that she wished to cook well, and the power system decided giving her a reality bending skill was the easiest way to go about that.
草ァ!料理上手くなりたいって願ったら、現実改変スキル与えるのが手っ取り早いって判断した運営ガイジすぎるやろwww2ちゃん
justking1414
Reality itself and whatever god manages all of existence decided that letting her warp reality was literally the only way to make her cooking edible
確かに、現実そのものと全存在を管理してる神様が、彼女の料理を食べられるようにする唯一の方法として現実改変を許したってのは納得だわ普通くん
OldInstruction5368
And even then it wasn't a 'full success,' as her 'tasty' cooking still looks like rancid death. So much so, that even though it technically tastes sublime, the presentation is enough to kill the experience. Hence why people still fear eating her cuisine. Because even a reality-bending skill STILL wasn't enough to make her cooking truly edible.
草、結局「完全成功」じゃなかったんかよwww 味はマジで至高なのに見た目が腐った死体みたいで台無しやんけ。 現実改変スキルすら彼女の料理をマトモにできなかったってのがワロタわ。 だからみんな食うのビビるンゴねぇ…2ちゃん
Great-Foundation4990
It's edible, but off-putting.
食べられるけど、なんか無理… 気持ち悪すぎるッ!感情くん
thoughtlow
I wish they let Shion wear her new clothes, I can imagine the enemy making them dirty and she just completely losing it.
シオンに新しい服を着せてほしかったな。敵がそれを汚して、彼女が完全にキレる姿が想像できるわ。普通くん
kalirion
With Raphael seeing through everything but not bothering to mention it because Rimuru doesn't think to ask.
ラファエル、全部見抜いてんのにリムルが聞かないからわざわざ言わないってスタイルじゃん!やばくね!?wwギャル
OldInstruction5368
In Raphael's defense, Rimuru rarely listens even with Raphael speaks up... And even when Rimuru asks a direct question, he still isn't guaranteed to accept her response.
確かにラファエルの言い分もわかるよ。リムルはラファエルが話しかけてもほとんど聞かないし…直接質問しても、その答えを受け入れるとは限らないんだよね。普通くん
PersonalContest1423
Reason #457 I've really grown to hate rimuru over the seasons, he has the closest thing to God(its literally named after an archangel of God for fuck sakes) in his head to recieve information from at his leisure and doesn't bother to ask/listen. Not to mention his complete ignorance/naivety on all matters of politics and ruling, plus he's mean to shion; his worst crime
リムルに対する嫌悪が増す理由その457ンゴwww ガチで神に近い存在(名前からして大天使やんけ)を頭の中に置いてて、いつでも情報聞けるのに聞こうとしないし話も聞かねえワケ。 それに政治とか統治に関してはマジで無知すぎやろ。 しかもシオンに冷たいし、それが一番アカンわ。2ちゃん
Earlier-Today
原文
Beyond the truth of "this is Rimuru's story, he's going to win in the end," Maribel is working off of flawed information. She thinks Rimuru and Milim are killable without having to spend crazy amounts of time to make sure your plan will work no matter what happens. She thinks her assassin is dead, so she hasn't considered in the slightest how much Rimuru knows about her and Yuuki. She thinks her Greed ultimate skill is the most powerful of all skills when ultimate skills tend to cancel each other out (meaning she's never fought against another ultimate skill user). She's going to lose because war is won through information as much as anything else, and she's seriously lacking but doesn't realize it. Her first clue should have been how her plan at the Western Nations meeting failed. But she's so prideful that she's not reflecting on why things failed and then digging into it to see how she needs to adjust. Her pride has made her foolish and her pride doesn't even allow her to realize just how foolish she's being.
「リムuruが主人公だから最終的には勝つ」という前提を置いても、マリベルは誤った情報に基づいて行動していると言わざるを得ない。彼女はリムuruとミリムが殺せると思い込んでいるが、そのためにはどんな事態にも対応できる緻密な計画と膨大な時間が必要だという認識が欠けている。暗殺者が死んだと思い込んでいるため、リムuruがユウキと自分についてどこまで知っているかを全く考慮していない。彼女のグリードの究極スキルを最強と信じているが、究極スキル同士は相殺される特性がある(つまり、彼女は他の究極スキル使いと戦った経験がない)。戦争は情報戦でもある以上、彼女の敗北は明白だ。西方諸国会議での計画失敗が最初の警告だったはずだが、プライドが高すぎて失敗原因を分析し、調整する姿勢が見られない。その傲慢さが彼女を愚かにし、その愚かさにすら気づかせていない。考察くん
Artorp
Small correction, her skill is unique not ultimate. Rimuru had a bunch of unique skills evolve into ultimate skills during his ascension.
ちょっとだけ訂正な、あれユニークスキルやでウルトラやない。リムルは覚醒したときにユニークが一気にウルトラに進化したンゴwww2ちゃん
Armdel
原文
aww im a little bummed Shion is just wearing her usual outfit. And ofcourse she tried to go in the outfit Rimuru got her lol. she would probably never take that off again if she didn't need to simply because its a gift from him. Glenda joins team tempest! though i never had much doubt she would. next arc looks like it'll be fun. exploring while also expecting an attack of some sort from Maribel, something related to Milim...
あらら、シオンがいつもの衣装なのはちょっと残念だな。でもリムルにもらった服で行こうとしてたのは笑ったわ。彼からの贈り物ってだけで、たぶん必要なければ二度と脱がないんだろうな。グレンダがテンペストチームに加入!まあそんな気はしてたけどね。次回のアークは楽しそう。探索しつつ、マリベルからの攻撃とか、ミリム関連の何かを予想しながらって感じかな。普通くん
Myrkrvaldyr
Glenda joins team tempest! though i never had much doubt she would. The food won her over, very understandable. Eating tasty food is one of life's greatest pleasures.
グレンダがテンペスト入りしたじゃん!まあ入ると思ってたけどね笑。やっぱ食いしん坊には勝てないよね〜。美味い飯食べるのって人生の最高の楽しみのひとつだし!ギャル
alastoris
For any reincarnated, being same to taste the food from Japan is enough to switch sides.
わかるッ!転生者なら日本の味食べたらそりゃ寝返るわな!感情くん
janoDX
Not only the food, but everything that is being brought to this world, remember that Rimuru wants to bring Mangas and other entertainment (movies, TV, etc.) to the isekai world. Any reincarnated would go vouch for that city because it's basically home away from home.
草、リムルが漫画や映画とか娯楽も持ち込もうとしてるのガチでワロタww 転生者からしたら故郷みたいなもんやから、あの街には誰もが賛成するやろな2ちゃん
Falloutman399
Glenda wasn’t from Japan though was she? Honestly with the gun spacial attribute unique skill id assume she was from the US 😂
グレンダって日本人じゃなかったよね? 正直、銃の空間属性ユニークスキル持ってる時点でアメリカ出身って思っちゃうわ😂感情くん
Frontier246
If you told me Shion had been sleeping in that outfit, I would believe you. I think the worst part is she didn't even have an alternative exploration outfit ready so she has to go back to her basic pantsuit. I wish we could've heard Glenda's self-introduction speech while everyone in Tempest was staring daggers at her lol.
シオンのあの寝間着姿を見せられたら、寝るときもあの服装なんだろうなって納得しちゃうわ。一番厳しいのは彼女が探索用の別の服を用意してなかったから、基本のパンツスーツに戻らざるを得なかったってところだな。テンペストの連中がグランダを睨みつける中で、彼女の自己紹介スピーチを聞けたら最高だったのになw考察くん
RerollWarlock
The tits out suit. Lady must get cold sometimes in that thing.
あの乳出しスーツwww あれ着てたら寒そうやんかww2ちゃん
Xtranathor
Whilst they made a small joke out of it, I'm surprised the show didn't give us a chance to see Shion in an explorer outfit - would have been very nice! But then, getting 2 new outfits in 1 episode would be too much fanservice for this neglected evil oni. I wonder if it will be a more significant plot point later on.
確かにちょっとした冗談になってたけど、シオンが探検家コスチュームを着るシーン見せてくれなかったのは意外だな。めっちゃ良かっただろうに!でも1話で2着も新衣装は、この放置されてる悪い鬼にはファンサービス過多かもね。これが後々、もっと重要なプロットポイントになるのか気になるな。普通くん
darthvall
Funny how Rimuru thought Shio's clothing was not fit for exploration. However, Rimuru's clothing also got reprimanded by a veteran explorer lol
え、リムルがシオの服装を「探索向きじゃない」って言うのウケるじゃん!でもリムル自身もベテラン探索者に服装注意されてて草www お互い様すぎるでしょ笑ギャル
kalirion
Yeah, for once I thought Shion looked kidna cute, but then she was forced to change back.
確かに、今回は珍しくシオンがちょっとかわいく見えたんだけど、結局元に戻されちゃったんだよね。残念だな。普通くん
Great-Foundation4990
Seemed pretty obvious what it is given the opening 😅 That said, Milim is going to be *PISSED* that they desecrated her friend's corpse.
オープニング見た時点で大体察しついてたンゴwww でもミリムちゃん、友達の遺体弄られてガチギレ不可避やろな😅2ちゃん
deynyel
That's some optimistic thinking, Maribel. Even with Milim out of the picture, I know nothing's gonna happen to Rimuru when the great Raphael-sensei is around.
マリベル、楽観的すぎるよ。ミリムがいなくても、ラファエル様が近くにいる限りリムルに何か起きるとは思えないね。普通くん
Frontier246
Who better to trust than the one being in the universe who could scientifically confirm that Hinata is not, in fact, a tsundere?
草、ヒナタがツンデレじゃないって科学的に証明できる唯一の存在に信頼置くしかないやんwww2ちゃん
mywif4aiur
Will this be the first time Raphael-sensei is wrong?
ラファエル様が間違えるのって初めてなんじゃない?普通くん
davincy_21
You definitely know that she isn't wrong, it's just she doesn't want her master to think about anyone else except her, a fkn Bonafide yandere!
確かに彼女の言ってること間違ってないよね。でもただ単に自分のマスターが他の誰かのこと考えるのが嫌なだけ、完全にド本物のヤンデレだわッ!無理すぎる感情くん
justking1414
Love that Rimuru could be in bed with a harem of beautiful women every night if Raphael wasn’t so insanely jealous
リムルが毎晩美女ハーレムと添い寝できるってのに、ラファエルが異常なほど嫉妬深くて草生えるわwww2ちゃん
davincy_21
Love that Rimuru could be in bed with a harem of beautiful women every night Nah, rimuru doesn't have the balls to do that!
はは、確かにリムルにそんな度胸あるわけないよなッ! でも美女ハーレムに囲まれて寝るチャンスがあるってだけで優勝すぎる感情くん
justking1414
He can make his body look however he wants. He can give himself balls bigger than Shion’s boobs and a wang bigger and harder than her sword
彼は自分の体を自由自在に変えられるんだよね。シオンの胸よりデカい玉も、彼女の剣よりデカくて硬いアレも作れるってことか。普通くん
davincy_21
He can but as i said he doesn't have to balls to go out with any of the girls!
確かにできるけど、言った通り彼には女の子と付き合う勇気がなさすぎるッ!無理すぎるだろ!感情くん
Myrkrvaldyr
Raphael being a secret to everyone is one trump card Rimuru has over stuff like mind control. I imagine that the moment Mariabel tries to control him, Raphael will intervene, like how Kurama can always break genjutsus on Naruto.
ラファエルが誰にもバレてないってのは、リムルの切り札の一つだよね。マリアベルが操ろうとした瞬間にラファエルが介入するんだろうな、ナルトで九尾が幻術を破るみたいに。普通くん
OGawdILoveTacos
like how Kurama can always break genjutsus on Naruto. not anymore T-T
草、九喇嘛がいつもナルトの幻術を破ってたの好きだったわ。もう無理なんやな…(´;ω;`)2ちゃん
mischievous_shota
Too soon 😢
まだ早すぎるよ😢普通くん
OGawdILoveTacos
They killed him off to boost the low viewership of Boruto. That's a hill I'll die on, cause no one was watching that show other than just to check out a 'final boss fight' here and there and even then most people just caught it on youtube. They needed something big to get people talking about it and...there it was. Far too little time we got to see best boy being a good boy.
あのキャラを退場させたのは、明らかに『Boruto』の視聴率低下を食い止めるための制作側の戦略だったという考察ができる。あの作品、結局「最終決戦だけ見たい」って層がチラホラ観てるだけで、大半はYouTubeで済ませてたんだよな。話題を一気に集めるには大きな事件が必要で…結果がこれだ。最高のキャラが良い子でいる姿をもっと見たかったのに、あまりにも尺が足りなすぎる。考察くん
mischievous_shota
原文
I finished Shippuden and even knowing that Boruto would be about the next generation was willing to give it a shot. The series starts with them saying Uzumaki Naruto is dead. I stopped watching instantly. I know it was a flash forward thing but after such a long journey with Naruto finally achieving peace, it hurt too much. I too only check out fights every now and then. Funnily enough, I stopped doing even that once they separated Kurama and Naruto. I maintain they should have done a prequel instead. That would allow different factions to fight a bloody way against one another and could be used to reverse the power creep a bit as well.
Shippudenを完走して、ボルトトは次世代の話って知ってたけど一応観ようと思ったんだよね。でも最初に「うずまきナルト死亡」って出てきて、すぐに観るのやめた。未来の話だってわかってたけど、ナルトがやっと平和を勝ち取った長い旅の後だったから、辛すぎた。俺もたまに戦闘シーンだけチェックしてたよ。面白いことに、九喇嘛とナルトが分離された後はそれすらやめた。個人的には前日譚を作るべきだったと思う。そうすれば派閥同士の血みどろの戦いが描けて、パワークリープも少し抑えられたはずだ。普通くん
OGawdILoveTacos
原文
Yeaaaaaaaaa, the power creep got insane there after Naruto ended for sure. Sage of Six paths was supposed to be basically the end all be all and Naruto was stupid powerful with him being bro's with Kurama now, so how they had him getting bodied in Boruto by these new villains that put even Madara to shame had me going 'wtf is this shit?!' They were just powercreeping in new villains for the sake of keeping the show afloat. They handled the power levels so well in N and NS but just went wacky with Boruto to just justify it's existence.
せやな、ナルト終わった後のパワーバランスおかしくなりすぎやろw 六道仙人モードで最強設定やったのに、ボルトでいきなりマダラすら鼻くそ扱いする敵出てきて「なんやこれ…」ってなったわ パワーインフレで無理やり続編生やした感ハンパないンゴ NARUTOと疾風伝はバランス良かったのに、ボルトは存在理由のためだけに滅茶苦茶やってるやん…草2ちゃん
justking1414
I actually like where it went from there since [Boruto most recent manga arc spoiler] Kurama somehow found his way into Naruto’s daughter and her fight scenes are honestly pretty awesome now
わかるッ!ボルト最新話の展開めっちゃ好き! 九喇嘛がナルトの娘の中にいるのエモすぎるし、戦闘シーンがマジでかっこよくなってて最高すぎるッ!!感情くん
OGawdILoveTacos
Wait, he has a daughter now?! Good lord they're gonna milk that series for everything it's worth, arnt they?! Glad demon slayer decided to end before...this happened to it.
えっ娘いるの!?やばくね、このシリーズ搾り取る気満々じゃん!鬼滅はこんな風にならないうちに終わってくれてマジよかったわ〜ギャル
justking1414
He had one in episode 1 As for the current arc, it’s honestly kinda interesting. They basically pulled a shippuden but with a very different return to the village
1話で使ってたよね。今のアークは正直結構面白いと思う。ナルト疾風伝みたいな感じだけど、里帰りの形が全然違うんだよな。普通くん
GamingExotic
And only veldora so far knows about it.
草、ヴェルドラだけが知ってるってマジかよwww2ちゃん
Allian42
It's crazy that not even the rest of the cast knows about Raphael. It's genuinely the only time I've seen an anime protagonist actually be smart for once and keep a secret this many seasons in.
やばくね!?他のキャラ全員ラファエルのこと知らないってマジで笑うんだけど!主人公が何シーズンも秘密を守り通すの、初めて見たわ〜まじで賢いじゃん!ギャル
mobott
原文
I wonder if Diablo, Benimaru, Grucius, and Mjurran have any idea, since they saw when Raphael took over and performed the spirit resurrection. Benimaru heard Raphael speak and gave what looked like a knowing smile before falling asleep, and Diablo also directly talked with Raphael briefly. But I wouldn't be surprised if Grucius and Mjurran didn't realize since they were just watching and were stunned by everything going on.
ディアブロ、ベニマル、グルーシウス、ミュウランは気づいてるのかな。ラファエルが乗っ取って霊魂復活をやったのを見てたしな。ベニマルはラファエルの声を聞いて、眠りにつく前に何かわかったような笑みを浮かべてたし、ディアブロも直接ちょっと会話してた。でもグルーシウスとミュウランはただ見てるだけで状況に圧倒されてたから、気づいてないかもしれないね。普通くん
Allian42
原文
I don't think Benimaru knows. I'm just assuming, but he probably was expecting Rimuru to come out of the evolution different, so when he had a different vibe, that was still within expectations. Then once he woke up again, he was once more the same old Rimuru, so he probably filled that under "Strange shit Rimuru pulls out of their ass" and called it a day. As for Diablo... yeah. I can see him either suspecting or full on realizing. I also doubt he cares any, as long as he gets to bask in his presence. I definitely doubt anyone else knows, Grucius, and Mjurran included. Maybe Veldora? He was inside Rimuru for a while and has a knowledge based ultimate skill... but he is also Veldora, so how knows.
ベニマルは気づいてないと思う。推測だけど、彼はリムルが進化後は何か変わって出てくると思ってたんだろう。だから雰囲気が変わっても、それは想定内だった。その後再び目覚めた時は昔と変わらぬリムルだったから、「リムルがまた変なことやった」で片付けたんだな。一方ディアブロは…うん。彼なら疑ってるか、完全に見抜いてる可能性もある。でも傍にいられればそれでいいから、気にしてないだろうな。グレイシスやミュウラン含め、他の誰も気づいてないと思う。もしかしたらヴェルドラは?彼はリムルの中に長くいて、知識系の究極スキルも持ってる…でもヴェルドラだからなあ、何とも言えない。考察くん
davincy_21
Maybe Veldora? He was inside Rimuru for a while and has a knowledge based ultimate skill... but he is also Veldora, so how knows Veldora knows about Raphael, you prolly skipped Veldora's journal, it was there!
ヴェルドラかな?彼はしばらくリムルの体内にいて知識系の究極スキル持ってるし…でもヴェルドラだからなあ。ラファエルのこと知ってるかどうかは謎。多分ヴェルドラの日記飛ばしたんじゃない?あそこに書いてあったよ!普通くん
WeatherOrder
Veldora knows and had regular conversations with Raphael in Veldora's journal. He is absolutely terrified of Raphael.
やばくね!?ヴェルドラ、日誌でラファエルと普通に会話してたんだけど、まじでラファエルのことビビりまくってるじゃん笑ギャル
Allian42
I mean... Fair.
まあ…確かにね。普通くん
Earlier-Today
Didn't somebody in an earlier season talk about how ultimate skills tend to cancel each other out - which is why mind control doesn't work on folks with ultimate skills?
それな!前のシーズンで誰かが言ってたよね、「究極スキル同士は打ち消し合うから、精神操作が効かない」ってやつ!まさにそれだわ!感情くん
Allian42
They have been talking a lot about unique skills, mentioning Glenda's was protecting her from Mariabell's greed. Might be the same deal, only one tier higher.
確かにユニークスキルの話が多かったね。グレンダのはマリアベルの欲望から守るためのものだって言ってたし、同じパターンで一段階上なのかもな。普通くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Gobita save his Master from danger
ゴビタがマスターをピンチから救うシーン、やばくない!?まじでかっこよすぎるんだけど笑ギャル
raknor88
He really does pop up at the oddest of times to make critical saves. Perhaps Gabiru was right and Gobta is the true ruler of Tempest?
確かにゴブタは変なタイミングで現れて重要な場面で助けるよな。ガビルの言う通り、実はテンペストの真の支配者だったりして?普通くん
Great-Foundation4990
原文
It's not just optimistic, it's frankly stupid. She is basically gambling that her skill will work on a Demon Lord and assumes that for literally no reason. Nevermind he is a TDL 🤣 She is presented as this grand genius schemer one moment and then an absolute moron the next. And Milim will be there! Optimistic is one word for it 😅 Oh She is also banking on Luminous showing up to protect humanity from Veldora if he he shows up. Also a ridiculous assumption. 🤣
マジでバカやろw楽観的とかいうレベルちゃうわ。魔王にスキルが効くって根拠もなく賭けてるだけやん。しかも相手はTDLやぞ🤣 天才策士かと思えば次の瞬間にはガチのアホやし。ミリムもおるしな!楽観的どころの騒ぎちゃうわ😅 しかもヴェルドラが来たらルミナスが人類守ってくれるって前提やろ。それも無茶苦茶すぎるわ🤣2ちゃん
ObvsThrowaway5120
Kind of amusing to hear Yuuki and Maribel talk about taking down Rimuru and Milim. I guess it’s good to have dreams lol. Curious to see what awaits Rimuru and the gang in Distave. I’m sure whatever traps there are won’t be any real issue for our demon lords.
ユウキとマリベルがリムルとミリムを倒す話をしてるのはなかなか面白いな。夢を持つのはいいことだってことか(笑)。ディスターヴでリムルたちを待ち受けるものに興味が湧く。どんな罠があろうと、我々の魔王たちにとっては大した問題にはならないはずだ、という考察ができる。考察くん
dabocx
Do people have any concept of how strong Milim or the main demon lords actually are? It feels like a recurring trope that people think they are 10/10 strength when in actuality they are 100s. Maybe because no one ever lives after them fighting for real.
ミリムとか主要な魔王たちがどれだけ強いか、みんな理解してるのかな?みんな勝手に「強さ10/10」くらいに思ってるけど、実際は数百倍はある気がする。本気で戦ったら誰も生き残らないから、そう見えないだけかもね。普通くん
Frontier246
Milim hasn't even had to use her true Demon Lord form since season 2 and that was just for play acting and aura farming.
マジでミリム様、2期以来真の魔王形態使ってなくない?しかもあれただの遊びとオーラ見せつけだったしやばくね笑ギャル
ijiolokae
Clayman, Carrion and Frey are probably to blame for making humanity believe that Demon lords can be beat
クレイマン、カリオン、フレイのせいで人間が「魔王は倒せる」って思い込んじゃったんだよな…マジで厄介すぎるッ!感情くん
__White_Wolf_
原文
The real "culprit" is Roy Valentine, who staged false‑flag attacks to push humans deeper into Luminism. Since Clayman operated behind the scenes and never really clashed directly with Humans (given that his domain is far away from the Western nations), the only “benchmark” humans have for a Demon Lord is Roy Valentine… and he’s weaker than Hinata. If Hinata can be compared to Roy and Rimuru (after their alleged tie), then Humanity supposedly has a chance, especially since Rimuru is a newborn Demon Lord who preaches peace and coexistence (the type of talk a weakling would come up with, or at least that's what it looks like to a lot of people). That really puts their flawed perspective into context.
本当の「黒幕」はロイ・ヴァレンタインだよね。彼が偽旗作戦を仕掛けて人間をルミナス教に深く依存させた。クレイマンは裏で動いてて人間と直接ぶつかったことはないし(領地が西方諸国から遠いから)、人間側が知ってる魔王の「基準」はロイ・ヴァレンタインだけ…で、彼はヒナタより弱い。ヒナタがロイとリムル(引き分けたって話の後)と比較できるなら、人類にもチャンスがあるように見える。特にリムルは新生魔王で平和と共存を説いてるし(弱者の言い分って感じで、多くの人にはそう映る)。そう考えると、人間側の歪んだ視点も納得できるな。普通くん
Powerful_Toe_8155
Not only is Roy weaker than Hinata, but he was probably intentionally throwing fights and running away whenever the forces of Luminism approached him. Luminas's schemes have caused unfathomable damage to humanity's ability to powerscale in this world.
このロイの描写、興味深い考察ができるな。まず彼がヒナタより弱いという点は確かだが、それ以上にルミナス教の勢力が近づくたびに意図的に戦闘を避けていた可能性が高い。つまり、彼の敗走は単なる実力不足ではなく、ルミナスの策略の一部だったと考えられる。この展開を踏まえると、ルミナスの計画がこの世界のパワーバランスに与えた影響は計り知れない。結果として、視聴者がキャラクターの実力を正当に評価するのが困難になるほどの歪みを生み出したんだな。考察くん
Great-Foundation4990
And Rimuru's schemes using Veldora as cover have further ruined it 😅
ヴェルドラを盾にしたリムルの策略がさらに事態を悪化させてるんだよね😅普通くん
Great-Foundation4990
原文
That and most of humanity has no distinction between "Demon Lord" the title just for having the seed, and "True Demon Lord" the awakened *actual* Demon Lords. The former are basically just powerful majin and at this point, most of Rimuru's subordinates could hold the title. Because they don't know of this distinction, they don't realize the sheer power disparity. The ones that are aware od the distinction, such as Gran, still don't believe Rimuru has awakened. Using Veldora for smoke and mirrors is still paying dividends 🤣
せやな、人間側は「魔王」って称号と「真の魔王」の違いを全然理解してないンゴな。前者は単に強めの魔人ってだけで、今のリムuruの部下なら大抵名乗れるレベルや。その差を知らんから、力の差がガチでヤバいって気づいてないんやろな。グランみたいに違いに気づいてる連中でも、リムuruが覚醒したとは信じとらん。ヴェルドラをカモフラージュに使う作戦がまだ効いてるの草www2ちゃん
Allian42
No joking. In hindsight, that time Raphael was doing the mass resurrection and Grucius went "Not even Carrion could do this" is hilarious. Yeah, no shit he can't.
冗談抜きで、今思うとラファエルが集団蘇生やってる時にグリュシスが「カリオンにもこんなことはできない」って言ったの、めっちゃ笑える。そりゃそうだろって感じだよね。普通くん
Myrkrvaldyr
Do people have any concept of how strong Milim or the main demon lords actually are? Yeah, it feels like they don't, and at this point in time, I believe Milim is still stronger than Rimuru. Harming Rimuru is one sure way to get MIlim to hate you.
ミリムや主要な魔王たちが実際どれほど強いか、視聴者は理解しているのだろうか?現時点では、ミリムの方がリムルよりまだ強いという考察ができる。リムルに危害を加えることは、確実にミリムの憎悪を買う手段だと思われる。考察くん
dabocx
Yeah I’d wonder how Rimuru would do against Guy, Milim or Veldora at this point in the story
確かに、今の時点でリムルがガイやミリム、ヴェルドラと戦ったらどうなるか気になるな普通くん
Earlier-Today
"Not good," is my guess.
「イマイチやろな」ってのがワイの予想やわ2ちゃん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
原文
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すみません、あなたのコメントは削除されました。これはこのスレッド上部の原作コーナーに属する内容です。現在放送中のアニメの議論スレッドでは、原作、スピンオフ、作者コメント、未アニメ化コンテンツの議論はそこに投稿する必要があります。どんなに些細な原作との比較でも該当します。あなたのコメントはネタバレではなく、原作コーナー外での原作議論として削除されました。質問があればこのメッセージに返信、modmailを送るか、メタスレッドにコメントしてください。ルールを知りたい場合はこちらをご覧ください。普通くん
Allian42
原文
Every absurd skill she showed before (against carion and charybdis) has been her just goofing around. Even when she went against Veldora, that has them "playing". She also supposedly has a trump card, that "Stampede". Maybe that's an ultimate? I'm yet to see a skill Raphael can't copy, so that would put Millim on the disadvantage the longer the fight went. But in raw power? I think Millim still wins that one.
これまでのミリムの戦闘(カリオンやカリュブディス戦)は、全て彼女が遊び半分でやっていただけという考察ができる。ヴェルドラ戦でさえ「遊び」の範疇だった。さらに彼女には切り札の「スタンピード」が存在する。おそらく究極能力なのではないか?ラファエルがコピーできないスキルはまだ確認されていないため、長期戦になればミリムが不利になる可能性はある。だが純粋なパワー勝負なら、やはりミリムが優勢という結論に至る。考察くん
janoDX
They say Veldora will be in a fit or rage ending the World if Rimuru dies, but they forget Milim would join Veldora in the world destruction party and make the fight of humanity impossible.
ワイら「リムル死んだらヴェルドラ激怒して世界終わらせるやろ」 でもミリムも便乗して世界破壊パーティーに参加するの忘れてるやん 人類絶対勝ち目ないンゴwww2ちゃん
Fermi_Amarti
原文
Probably. Remember that one attack she did when she one shot that flying thing Rimurus entire force couldn't stop and Rimuru couldn't even analyze it at all. Her power was incomprehensible. That was a long time ago, but his growth was comprehensible not that completely ridiculous shit. She might not even be at full power. She's probably like Veldora and could get an ultimate skill or 2 if she just worked a bit.
確かに。彼女があの飛行物体を一撃で倒した攻撃を思い出してほしい。リムルの全戦力でも止められず、分析すらできなかった。あの力は計り知れなかったんだ。それはかなり昔の話だが、リムルの成長は理解可能な範囲だった。対して彼女の力は完全に理不尽な領域だ。もしかしたらまだ全力すら出していない可能性もある。ヴェルドラと同様に、少し努力すれば究極スキルを1つや2つ習得できるタイプなんだろうな。考察くん
Lugia61617
Do people have any concept of how strong Milim or the main demon lords actually are? I think after the entire council escapade it's pretty obvious that they don't. They don't even seem to grasp the power differential between Hinata and an elite swordsman.
ミリムや主要な魔王たちがどれだけ強いか、みんな理解してないよね?評議会の一件で明らかになったと思うけど、彼らは全然わかってないんだよ。ヒナタと一流の剣士の差すらも把握できてないっぽい。普通くん
raknor88
It feels like a recurring trope You can thank time and ego for the world forgetting the extent of some people's power. It's likely been so long since people like Milim and Guy have fought at anywhere near full power that many think it is just myth and overblown stories.
ミリムやガイが本気出したの何千年ぶりとかやろな。時間とエゴで「伝説」とか「盛ってるだけ」って思われてる感あるわ。よくあるパターンやけど、強者が力を隠しすぎるとこうなるンゴwww2ちゃん
Exitiali
原文
people have any concept of how strong Milim or the main demon lords actually are? Most humans have no contact with the major demon lords because their territories are too far from human nations, so there shouldn't be much accurate information. The only ones who impacted their recent lives were Roy (Luminous used him to increase the church's popularity) and Rimuru (whose true deeds were minimized/hidden).
人間はミリムや主要な魔王たちの強さをまったく理解してないよな。大半の人間は魔王領が人間国家から遠すぎて接触すらなくて、正確な情報なんて入ってこないはず。最近の生活に影響があったのはロイ(教会の人気上げるためにルミナスが利用した)とリムル(実績が過小評価・隠蔽されてる)だけじゃん。普通くん
Waxllium
They must use the most active demon lords as the standard, Frey, Carrion and Clayman, but they are only Demon lord seeds, the True Demon lords like Rimuru and Millin are the one that act behind the curtains... which sadly fucked everybody who thought they knew the power level of the DLs
この考察、非常に興味深い。彼らが基準にしているのはフレイ、カリオン、クレイマンといった「活動的な魔王」だが、実は彼らは「魔王種」に過ぎない。真の魔王、例えばリムルやミリムのような存在は、まさに「影で動く者たち」だ。この認識のズレが、魔王の力量を理解したつもりでいた者たちを悉く破滅へと導いた、という構図が浮かび上がる。考察くん
reaperfan
原文
Right? And how, despite all that, people still ALSO recognize that Veldora is even above them and people still have the audacity to treat the prospect of him coming after them as an "Ehh, it'll be fine" kinda thing. And then there's ALSO Diablo just kinda quietly sitting in the background who could potentially be nearly as significant a threat as Veldora and Milim, but at least it makes sense people underestimate him because he's been removed from the world long enough he doesn't have as obvious of a reputation in the world as those two.
せやろ?それでいてヴェルドラはその上を行く存在ってみんな分かってるのに「まあなんとかなるやろ」って舐めた態度取る奴がいるのがマジ意味わからんわ。しかもディアブロが裏で静かに控えてて、こいつヴェルドラやミリム並みの脅威になり得るのに、長らく表舞台から消えてて知名度が低いから過小評価されるのも納得やけどな。2ちゃん
ruisen2
My guess is normal humans in the world don't know about ultimate skills.
多分この世界の普通の人間は究極スキルの存在を知らないんだろうね普通くん
AceSoldia
they are so wild to think they can do this..but i guess we'll see what happens
自分たちがこんなことできると思ってるのがヤバすぎる…でもまあ、どうなるか見てみようぜ感情くん
thoughtlow
like moths to a flame.
まるで蛾が火に飛び込むみたいだね。普通くん
Frontier246
I’m sure whatever traps there are won’t be any real issue for our demon lords. I feel like the dragon is going to be a problem because Milim won't want to fight it and that will more or less neutralize her. But I can't think of anything they've got that can counter Shion.
確かに罠自体は魔王たちにとって問題にならないだろうな。気になるのはドラゴンだ。ミリムが戦いたがらず、実質的に戦力を封じられる可能性が高い。しかし、シオンに対抗できる手段は向こうにはないという考察が成り立つ。考察くん