#5幼女戦記Ⅱ
放送 2026-08-05更新 2026-08-09
Tsurja
Huh. Intentionally sacrificing your "ace" to prove beyond a doubt that the war cannot continue is definitely a choice.
ふーん、自分の「エース」をわざと犠牲にして、戦争が続けられないことを証明しようとするのは、確かに一つの選択だよね。普通くん
Any-Calligrapher2866
原文
Long term damage to the Empire would be far worse from his perspective. Lend Lease has just started and the USSR has already replenished it's air force. Going by history, the Soviet Ural Industry is yet to start at full force along with the American lend lease. America is also not fighting Japan afaik so the full might of the American industry will back the war. They're fucked fucked. Their large scale military plan also seems to be going for the Oil fields like IRL so it won't be surprising if the Empire loses at Stalingrad.
我が視点から見れば、帝国への長期的な損害はもはや致命的なまでに深遠なり。レンドリースは始まったばかりで、ソ連の航空戦力は既に再生を果たした。歴史の書が示すが如く、ウラルの産業は未だ全力を振るわず、アメリカの支援も本格化せぬ。アメリカが日本と交戦していない以上、その産業の全容が戦局を覆すだろう。奴らは完全に詰んだのだ。大規模な軍事作戦も史実通り油田地帯を目指す様子。スターリングラードで帝国が敗北するのは必然、運命の定めと言えよう。中二病
drthrax1
America is also not fighting Japan huh thats a good point, they introduced italy, i wonder if they are gonna introduce a pacific theater eventually. Though animes do love to gross over japans contributions to ww2...
アメリカも日本と戦ってないのか…せやな、イタリアは出てきたし、いずれ太平洋戦線も出すんやろか。まあアニメって日本のWW2での活躍は大抵スルーするよな…2ちゃん
Any-Calligrapher2866
The Empire is 100% going to sink American ships with Uboats and drag them into the war.
帝国が絶対Uボートでアメリカ船沈めて戦争に引きずり込む流れだろッ!それしかないってレベルで予感するんだけど!感情くん
Original_Employee621
As the setting is sorta based on WWI, Japan joined the Allies in attacking German colonies and China to strengthen their hold in Oceania. They'd be just another problem for the Empire to have to deal with, though how severe that threat would be is another matter entirely. It doesn't sound like the Empire has any colonies and Japan is half a world away.
設定がWWI基づいてるから、日本は連合国側としてドイツ植民地や中国を攻めてオセアニアでの支配を強化してたんだよね。帝国にとってはもう一つの厄介事になるだろうけど、その脅威がどれだけ深刻かはまた別問題だな。帝国には植民地がないみたいだし、日本は地球の反対側だしね。普通くん
OkCreme8213
Technologically it's WWI, but the setting is a mix of both WWI and WWII I believe
技術的には第一次世界大戦なんだけど、舞台設定は第一次と第二次が混ざってる感じじゃない?やばくね!?ギャル
Firlite
that REALLY depends on if the anglo japanese treaty has fallen through yet. in the 20s it's a tossup
ふむ、その件は英日同盟がまだ健在か否かにかかっておるな。1920年代ならば、どちらに転ぶかは五分五分でござろう。武士
Atario
*gloss over
え、なにそれ!?軽く流すってこと?やばくね?ちゃんと見てよ!笑ギャル
simon249
US isn't helping that that much I think, because it was federation that has started more just keep it fighting
まあ実際はアメリカより連邦側が火種を作ってるからな。戦争が長引いてるのはむしろそっちのせいだろうよ。ドライおじ
Any-Calligrapher2866
US entered WW2 late as well.
米国もWW2後半に参戦したやん。2ちゃん
simon249
原文
In WW2 it was because of Japan if not to it, Roosevelt might not have enough support in congress to declare the war always sating as a materials provider, but is US is helping them as much as it did during WW2 then empire is most likely even more fucked than WW2 germany, as they most likely aren't that deep. Map they've showed implies that their offensive end goal is Donbas (yeah same one), but that means federation still keeps it, and in WW2 they've won even without it.
第二次大戦では日本が原因だったからな。もし日本が攻めてこなければ、ルーズベルトは議会で宣戦布告の支持を得られなかったかもしれない。物資供給国としての立場を維持してただけかもな。でも、アメリカがWW2と同じくらい支援してるなら、帝国はWW2のドイツよりもずっとやばい状況だと思う。だって、そこまで深く進軍できてないだろうし。示された地図だと、攻勢の目標はドンバス(あのドンバスだよ)みたいだけど、それなら連邦はまだそれを保持してるってことだし、WW2ではそれを失っても勝ってたんだよな。普通くん
gbietto
Uh I didn't realized that's what happened... But it would explain that Zettour smirk, nice
あっ……そういうことだったのか!全然気づかなかった……でもそれならツェートゥアーのあのニヤリも納得だわ、最高すぎるッ!感情くん
abandoned_idol
His voice actor is type casted into Machiavellian assholes. e.g. Satou-san from "Ajin". I love this trope.
確かに声優さん、マキャベリスト系の役多いよね。「亜人」の佐藤さんとか。このパターン好きだわ。普通くん
SnabDedraterEdave
Heh, I will always fondly associate Ootsuka Hochu as Jiraiya despite all these roles he's played.
ふふっ、大塚芳忠殿は数多の役を演じられておるが、某にとっては何と言っても自来也でござるな!武士
Good-Row4796
A plan that relies on Tanya dying for him ...his first and only real mistake.
ターニャが死ぬ前提の計画とか、あれが彼の最初で唯一のほんとのミスじゃね?やばくね笑ギャル
saga999
Either Tanya dies and he gets what he wanted, or she lives and they win the battle. Win/win in his book.
ターニャが死ねば彼の望み通りだし、生き残れば戦いに勝てる。彼にとってはどっちに転んでも勝ちだね。普通くん
Total-Box-5169
Specially when not-Beria gave very explicit orders to capture her alive.
非ベリアが生け捕り命令出してたのにこれやからなwww確かに草生えるわ2ちゃん
HolyDragSwd2500
WEISS Nooooooo
ヴァイス…ダメだよおおおおおッ!!感情くん
BosuW
Poor Weiss. Docked pay, more responsibilities, and now a slashed neck. And here I thought Gantz was the punching bag of the 203rd...
かわいそうにワイス。減給、責任増、そして今度は首を切られた。ガンツが第203部隊のサンドバッグだと思ってたけどな…普通くん
GatorUSMC
Weiss: better than reeducation
ワイス、再教育よりマシだなwwwwおじ
PowerOhene
Bro had PTSD Post Tanya stress disorder
草、Tanya PTSD発症してて草www2ちゃん
mosenpai
Almost felt bad for him, but then I remembered he wanted to prolong this war, so he suffered the consequences he asked for.
ちょっと可哀想に思えたけど、でも思い出したわ。あいつ戦争を長引かせたかったんだろ?自業自得だよ。感情くん
LateDitto
I was expecting Tanya to take to fly again this week, but not like this lol
ターニャが今週また飛ぶと思ってたけど、まさかこんな形でとはな笑普通くん
shad79
I laughed hard when I saw Tanya flying after that explosion. Good thing that Visha was able to somehow catch her before something happened to her, hahaha!
爆発の後にターニャが飛んでいくの見て笑いすぎたwww ヴィーシャが何とかキャッチしてくれて良かったけど、あのままだったらやばかった!ははは!感情くん
LG03
I need to rewatch from the start to see if this much slapstick comedy was there all along, it's almost jarring this season.
まじで最初から見直さないとヤバくない!?前からこんなにドタバタコメディあったっけ?今期はちょっと違和感あるんだけど笑ギャル
Magicbison
It wasn't this cartooney. Tanya always had her comedic moments but they were never this animated or goofy. Her reactions always focused on her facial expressions and her dancing around but she never wobbled like a wacky-waving-inflatable-tube-man. It definitely gives a bit of whiplash coming from season one.
前作ほどコミカルじゃなかった気がする。ターニャにもコメディ的な場面はあったけど、ここまでアニメっぽくて間抜けじゃなかったよ。彼女の反応はいつも表情や動きが中心で、風船みたいにふらふら揺れることはなかった。シーズン1から見てると確かに戸惑うな。普通くん
Montana_Gamer
I think it works well with the tone shift of a inevitable defeat for the Empire being the predominant feeling this season. In season 1 is was victory over and over and over again, but you don't really want the tone of the militarism to be undercut but silliness, now the silliness is a break from the dread that the show is doing a REALLY good job at delivering.
帝国の敗北不可避感が今期の主軸になってるから、このギャグはええ塩梅やと思うわ。一期は勝利の連続やったけど、シリアスな軍国主義のトーンをギャグで崩すのはアカンやろ。今は恐怖からの息抜きとして機能してて、その恐怖描写がガチでエグいンゴwww2ちゃん
Greg_The_Rabbit
原文
Yea, I wouldn't be surprised if the writers realized that because this is the season of everything going horribly wrong the tone would get really oppressively dark without some kind of levity to bring it back up. Particularly because there is no victory waiting for them like in season 1. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing people die off real fast, considering it's a war anime the plot armor has actually been pretty damn strong for our core cast but as the stakes grow more impossibly people are gonna have to start dieing. (I don't think Weiss is dead just yet, that cut looked vicious but not lethal.)
確かに、今シーズンは全てが最悪の方向に進むから、笑いがないと暗くなりすぎるって制作側も気づいてたんだろうね。特に第1期みたいな勝利が待ってないし。戦争アニメなのに主要キャストの生存率が高すぎたから、そろそろ人が死に始める気がする。ヴァイスはまだ死んでないと思うけど、あの斬撃はエグかったな。普通くん
Montana_Gamer
I was thinking... how many seasons you think Tanya will have? My bet? 3.
ターニャのアニメ、何シーズンまでいくと思う?俺の予想は3だなwまあ続きが気になるけど、制作側の都合もあるしな笑wwwおじ
OldInstruction5368
原文
Most of the humor was of ironic variety. As another commentator pointed out last episode, this is basically a tragi-comedy with Tanya being the main architect of her own suffering. As such, the comedy comes from Tanya thinking she has triumphantly escaped a grueling career on the front lines, only for the top brass to keep pulling her in. Largely because her "braze and bloodthirsty patriot spoiling for GLORY" act she puts on in front of the top brass means they all think she's some type of Khorne Devotee (BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!). That, and she keeps 'volunteering' herself with every suggestion. It was funny the first time it happened, but you'd think she'd learn by now... what are we, on the 5th example of Tanya 'making a suggestion' without realizing what that really means? And that was the comedy of S1. Tanya thinks she's finally escaped the meat grinder. Tanya then finds herself deeper and deeper in the hole. Because Tanya is too arrogant to realize that Tanya is her own worst enemy. Not this... Looney Toons shit.
まあ、笑いの大半は皮肉の類だな。前回も誰かが指摘してたけど、これは悲喜劇で、ターニャ自身が自分の苦しみの元凶なんだよ。笑えるのは、彼女が前線の過酷な勤務から逃げ切ったと思い込んでるのに、上層部が引き戻すって構図だな。何せ彼女が上層部に見せる「勇猛で血に飢えた愛国者、名誉を求めてやまない」って芝居のせいで、皆が彼女を戦神崇拝者だと思ってるからな。加えて、提案のたびに自分から手を挙げるんだ。最初は面白かったが、もう学習しろよって思うぜ。これで何回目だ?ターニャが「提案」して、その意味に気づかないのって。それがS1の笑いの本質だな。彼女はようやく虐殺から逃れたと思い込む。だが、どんどん深みにはまる。傲慢すぎて、自分が最大の敵だと気づかないんだ。こんなドタバタ劇じゃなくてな。ドライおじ
GatorUSMC
Aoi Yuuki is letting loose and channeling her inner spider this season.
悠木碧が今期、蜘蛛の本性全開やんwww
声優の枠超えて草生えるわ2ちゃん
ToasterLoverDeluxe
We are in the "Fuck it" part of the war, so i say its fitting
まじで戦争が「もう知らね!」って感じのフェーズに入ってるじゃん?それにぴったりだと思うんだけど!ギャル
ZaphodBeebblebrox
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2kenzhe
原文
Very serious and grim situation but man hahahhahaha omg Tanya was funny this episode. Ngl might be contender for best comedy of the season with Grand Blue. The empire is drunk obsessed with Victory they have no chance of winning the war anymore imo. They're miliatary is strong but the polictations the ones that should be influencing the public the top brass they fucking suck. No matter how much Tanya wins brings home victory if they never end the war they cannot ever actually win and achieve peace.
シリアスで重い展開やのにターニャの言動が面白すぎて草www 今期のコメディ枠ならグラブルと並ぶレベルやろ。帝国は勝利に酔いしれてて、もう戦争勝てる見込みないンゴね。軍は強いけど、世論を導くべき上層部がガチでクソすぎる。ターニャがいくら勝ちを拾ってきても、戦争終わらせられなきゃ永遠に勝利も平和も手に入らんやろ。2ちゃん
DandadanAsia
the Empire is stretching thin fighting too many countries
帝国は多すぎる国と戦ってて、戦線が伸びきってる感じだね。普通くん
DisplayHonest6465
I wonder why didn’t japan joined this war ?
なんで日本はこの戦争に参加しなかったんだろう?気になりすぎるッ!感情くん
Original_Employee621
Japan fought alongside the Allied powers, taking German colonies in Oceania and China.
日本が連合国側で参戦して、オセアニアと中国のドイツ植民地を取ったんだけど、それマジで歴史の面白いとこだよね!ギャル
DisplayHonest6465
Isn’t ww2 in this world ? Since Russia is communist?
この世界では第二次世界大戦は起こらないの?ロシアが共産主義なんだから?普通くん
IronVader501
No, its a mix. Its their first world war, but started in the mid-1920s and goes on so long it turns into WW2 at the end
いや、ミックスやで。彼らの第一次世界大戦やけど、1920年代半ばに始まって長引くうちに最後は第二次世界大戦になっちゃうンゴwww2ちゃん
SgtExo
While their fight with not-France looked more like WW1, this is morphing more into a WW2 situation. Both with the weapons they have and who is fighting were.
ノット・フランスとの戦いは第一次世界大戦っぽかったけど、これはどちらかというと第二次世界大戦の状況になってきてるね。持ってる武器も、戦ってる相手も含めて。普通くん
Original_Employee621
It's 1927 in the setting, Russia would've just finished their revolution thing in 1922. It's primarily set in WWI, but there are definitely some thing that have been inspired by WWII.
設定が1927年やから、ロシア革命は1922年に終わったばかりやな。基本はWWI(第一次大戦)ベースやけど、WWII(第二次大戦)から影響受けた要素も確かにあるで。2ちゃん
ErlendJ
It's a weird mix. The Empire is using Panzer III's from the WW2 and the Federation were flying I-16's. All 30's tech, I'm sure there's more but I can't recall atm.
確かに変な組み合わせだよね。帝国がWW2のIII号戦車使ってて、連邦がI-16飛ばしてるって感じ。全部30年代の技術だし、他にもあると思うけど今は思い出せないな。普通くん
simon249
But they don't, that a strange part, there's no france, there's no western front they've defeated them. They do keep some forces in Africa, but beyond that only enemy is the federation
いやそれおかしいんだよ、フランスも西部戦線もないんだ。もう敵を倒してるのに、アフリカにだけ兵力残してて、敵は連邦だけって…変すぎるッ!感情くん
BBryant3rd
Part of my enjoyment of this show is her reactions and expressions. I definitely enjoyed them as usual.
この作品の楽しみの一部は彼女の反応や表情にあるんだよね。今回もいつも通り楽しめたよ。普通くん
Obaruler
I just LOVE Tanyas VA, Aoi Yuuki. Her little mental breakdown at all the stupidity and illogical, unreasonable demands she has to deal with while her little peaceful retirement peacetime plan crumbles in front of her is just perfect! 😄
ターニャ役の悠木碧さんの演技が本当に素晴らしいよね。彼女の平穏な退役計画が崩れ去る中で、周囲の愚かさや非論理的な要求に直面した時のあの小さな精神的崩壊描写は完璧だと思うんだ。あの絶妙な苛立ちと諦めの混ざり合い、声優としての表現力が作品のテーマを深く掘り下げてるよな。😄考察くん
syncaina
After reading your comment, I looked up her other roles and was shocked to find out she also voices Lucy in Cyberpunk: Edgerunners!
え、まじで!?コメント読んで調べてみたら、サイバーパンクのルーシーもこの声優さんだったんだけど!やばくね!?ギャル
Obaruler
Right? Our girl is just goated, some series she carried alone with her performance.
それな。あの子はマジで規格外だわ。シリーズによっては彼女の演技だけで引っ張ってたよね。普通くん
SnabDedraterEdave
Same voice as Maomao.
マオマオと同じ声優やんけ!ワイ気づかんかったわwww2ちゃん
zool714
She’s been a great VA with a lot of good roles for many years now
彼女は長年たくさんの良い役を演じてきた素晴らしい声優だよね。普通くん
NanDemoKnaives
原文
I have a feeling that was the last time Zettour and Rudersdorf see each other face to face. Zettour has completely resigned himself now that he's been exiled, but he's doing the best that he can. Really stupid of the leadership to do that, but they'll pay the consequences eventually. It was funny to watch Tanya learn how bad things are for them, losing her composure is a definite understatement lol. It's sad to see Weiss get an injury like that, but I don't think it was fatal. It was bound to happen that one of the more prominent soldiers of Tanya's troop would get injured in this fight, considering how disadvantageous it is for them. Ugar picking the wrong person and timing to tell a dirty joke was funny, it was amusing to see Rerugen blushing.
ゼットーアとルーデルスドルフが顔を合わせるのはこれが最後になる気がするな。ゼットーアは左遷されて完全に諦観してるけど、それでも最善を尽くしてる。上層部の判断は本当に愚かだが、いずれその代償を払うことになるだろう。
ターニャが自分たちの劣勢を知って動揺する様子は笑えたな。平静を失うなんて表現じゃ足りないくらいだ(笑)。
ヴァイスの負傷は気の毒だが、致命傷ではなさそうだ。あの不利な状況では、ターニャ隊の主力の誰かが負傷するのは必然だったとも言える。
ウガーが不適切なタイミングで下ネタを言ったのは笑えた。レルゲンが赤面する姿が見られて面白かったな。考察くん
Any-Calligrapher2866
The empire will overextend and lose
帝国が無理に伸びて負けるンゴwww2ちゃん
Florac
The empire has overextended.
帝国は進出しすぎだね。普通くん
OldInstruction5368
原文
In the very first episode, the very first time we "visit" Strategic HQ, there was talk of supply issues necessitating a withdrawal. The Empire's supply lines were strained from the very first episode. The Entente hadn't even joined the war yet, and offensives were being cancelled and the front lines pulled back due to logistical constraints! The miracle is that the Empire has lasted this long. The Ildoan peace treaty was their LAST chance to avoid disaster. And they fucking blew it.
初回で戦略本部に行った時点で補給問題が原因の撤退が話題になってたやん。帝国の補給線は最初っから限界やったんやで。連合国が参戦すらしてない時点で、補給不足で攻勢中止&前線後退してたんやぞ!帝国がここまで持ったのが奇跡や。イルドアとの講和条約が最後のチャンスやったのに、あいつらガチで台無しにしとるわwww2ちゃん
randomkidlol
when the politicians become victims of their own propaganda and cant see how dire the situation is, the entire country's fate is already sealed.
政治家が自分のプロパガンダの犠牲者になって、状況がどれだけ絶望的か見えなくなった時点で、国の運命はもう決まったも同然だろ。まじで恐ろしいわ…ッ!感情くん
OldInstruction5368
原文
It's more sinister than that. The politicians are in full Lord Farquad "Some of you will have to die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make" territory. They know that ending the war now is the best course of action for the nation, but it would be a disastrous course of action for the ruling class. Thus, they insist on doubling down their mistake (continuing the war) as the best course of action for themselves. Now, it's up in the air just how much they realize they are destroying the nation to save themselves Vs if they are truly so delusional as to think "what is best for us is de facto best for the nation." Zettour did tell them, point blank, that accepting the peace treaty may lead to civil war, but that was still a better outcome than complete dissolution from fighting until the nation literally falls apart at the seams. Rudersdorf more or less agreed, saying it's nigh-impossible to 'win' this war under current parameters. Taking a White Peace, then dealing with the domestic fallout, was clearly the better option for the nation even if it put the ruling class at risk... or heaven forbid, meant they would actually have to fucking work for a change. Just going by their tone of voice, the ruling class truly didn't care how many soldiers would die nor how much damage was dealt to the civilian population/economy at large. Nor did they care about the risk they were taking in continuing the war. The politicians Parasitic Class only cared about their own heads.
あれは単なる愚策じゃなくて、もっと悪質な構造だと思うんだよな。政治家たちは完全にファークアッド卿の「お前たちの何人かは死ぬだろうが、それは私が払う代償だ」状態だ。彼らは戦争を今終わらせるのが国家にとって最善だと理解している。だが支配階級にとっては破滅的な選択になる。だからこそ、自分たちの利益のために過ちを繰り返す道を選ぶ。ここで興味深いのは、彼らが自覚的に国家を犠牲にしているのか、それとも「自分たちに都合がいい=国家の最善」と本気で思い込んでいるのか、という点だ。ゼートゥーアは和平受諾が内戦を招く可能性を指摘したが、それでも国家が完全に崩壊するよりはマシだと明言した。ルーダースドルフも現状の条件下で勝利は事実上不可能だと同意している。白紙和平を受け入れて国内の混乱に対処する方が、たとえ支配階級が危険に晒されようとも、国家にとって明らかに良い選択だった。いや、もしかすると彼らは「本当に働かなきゃいけなくなる」のが嫌だっただけかもしれないな。声の調子からしても、彼らは兵士の犠牲や民間人・経済への被害をまるで気にしていない。寄生階級たる政治家たちが守りたかったのは、自分の首だけだという考察が成り立つ。考察くん
VinnieBaby22
My impression was that Ugar was genuinely inviting Rerugen to a brothel, with the latter admonishing the former by mentioning his family
ウガーが本当にレルゲンを遊郭に誘ってて、レルゲンが家族のことを持ち出して注意してるって印象だったな。普通くん
OnesimusUnbound
When Tanya, the ideal rational person, looses her composure, you know things has really gone south.
ターニャがあの完璧な合理主義者があそこまで冷静さ失うとか、ガチでヤバい展開やろwww2ちゃん
nighty_amy
原文
Half of episode about Tanya freaking out about yet another reckless operation, pretty much what I expected. I really don't have a good feeling about the operation success, looking at how ill-prepared everything is. Not like the head government cares. Zettour's smile when the Federation swarmed in was pretty suspicious though. Tanya had some peak reaction faces this episode, sadly still didn't learn the lesson that she shouldn't share all her ideas, especially the risky ones.
我が宿敵たる連邦の大群が押し寄せし時、ゼートゥアーの微笑みは実に不気味なり。ターニャの蛮勇作戦への恐慌も、予想の範疇よな。準備不足の極み、成功の兆しなど微塵も感じぬ。政府上層部など、知らぬ顔よ。されど彼女の絶望の表情は、今週も珠玉の逸品。だがな、危険な案を全て口にせぬという教訓、まだ得られぬのか。我が目には、その愚かさすら運命の嘲笑と映るのだ。中二病
OldInstruction5368
原文
Zettour's smile when the Federation swarmed in was pretty suspicious though. Top commentor theorizes that Zettour is intentionally throwing Tanya under the bus. The idea is that if the Empire loses its Ace of Aces, their Valkyrie of Victory, it will shock the dipshit politicians into taking the peace treaty more seriously. Which is why Zettour put together such a "reckless" plan, then will act shocked when it goes exactly as he knew it would: the slaughter of Salamander Battalion. Look, Zettour is the one person at HQ that actually knew his ass from a hole in the ground, and also had the balls to tell High Command the truth. Everyone else is either too hot headed, incompetent, or cowardly to do what is necessary. Which means Zettour knows Andromeda is not just reckless, but a failure. A colossal failure so bad the idiots back at strategic HQ that think the plan was solid will be forced to rethink the entire war...
ゼットーアが連邦軍の大群を見たときの笑み、あれはかなり怪しかったよな。トップコメンターの説だと、ゼットーアは意図的にターニャを犠牲にしようとしてるらしい。帝国がエース・オブ・エース、勝利のワルキューレを失えば、和平条約を真剣に考えるよう政治家どもがショックを受けるってわけ。だからゼットーアはあんな「無謀な」作戦を立てて、サラマンダー大隊が壊滅するって分かってたのに、あとで驚いたふりをするんだと。ゼットーアは本部で唯一まともな判断ができて、上層部に真実を言える勇気もある人物だよな。他の連中は熱くなりすぎか無能か臆病で、必要なことをやれない。つまりゼットーアはアンドロメダ作戦が無謀なだけでなく失敗確定だと分かってる。それも戦略本部のバカどもが「堅実な作戦」と思い込むほどの大失敗で、彼らに戦争全体を考え直させるためのものなんだろうな。普通くん
abandoned_idol
But if Zettour is sabotaging the Empire... Could that also mean that Zettour might also be the spy who is leaking, and absolutely everything at that, to the enemy? stumbles Oh, I was just a little dizzy from how much I love this anime.
しかし、もしゼートゥーアが帝国を妨害しているのなら…彼こそが敵に全情報を漏洩しているスパイそのものだという考察も成り立つのではないか?おっと、このアニメへの愛が深すぎて少し目が回っただけだ。考察くん
OldInstruction5368
原文
Nah, Zettour is one of the only people we can cross off the "spy" list. If for no other reason that his: the UK officer wouldn't order Zettour killed right after saying his spy at HQ fed them useful info. If Zettour is the spy, they wouldn't want to silence him. Plus, the spy is supposed to be at HQ. Zettour was just exiled to the Eastern Front. Now, it could be that Zettour WAS the spy, got demoted, and the UK command has decided to off him now that he's no longer placed highly enough to keep alive... But I suspect Uger, the logistics officer that was Tanya's teacher at the Academy, is the spy. Mostly out of narrative efficiency, as we don't have many named characters left at HQ. It just wouldn't be satisfying if the spy giving useful intel was some nameless background jobber. Plus, Uger's spirit broke a couple years ago when he dropped out of the main officer track and retreated to the back lines. He just wanted to focus on his family. He's not fighting for glory: he's fighting to survive. If he can be given assurances from the Allied forces his family will be spared after the Empire falls...
いや、ゼートゥアーはスパイ候補から外せる数少ない人物の一人だよ。イギリス軍将校が、本部のスパイが有益な情報をくれたって言った直後にゼートゥアーを殺せと命令するはずがないしね。もしゼートゥアーがスパイなら、黙らせたいとは思わないだろ。それに、スパイは本部にいるはずだし、ゼートゥアーは東部戦線に左遷されたばかりだしね。まあ、ゼートゥアーが元スパイで、降格された後にイギリス軍が「もう生かしておく価値がない」と判断して始末しようとした可能性もあるけど……でも俺は、アカデミーでターニャの教官だった兵站将校のウガーがスパイだと思う。主に物語の効率性の観点からだけど、本部には名前付きキャラがもうあまり残ってないし、有益な情報を流すスパイが無名のモブじゃ満足できないじゃん。それに、ウガーは数年前に主要将校コースから脱落して後方に下がった時点で精神的に折れてたし、ただ家族に集中したかっただけなんだよ。彼は栄光のために戦ってるんじゃなくて、生き残るために戦ってる。帝国が崩壊した後に家族を助ける保証を連合軍から得られるなら……ね。普通くん
Tuor77
Uger was Tanya's (senior) classmate, not instructor.
ウガーってターニャの先輩の同級生じゃん?教官じゃなくてさ!ギャル
shad79
原文
Tanya had some peak reaction faces this episode Tanya's reactions today were especially hilarious. Zettour and the Andromeda Project really must've shocked her to the core , so much so that she wasn't able to contain her emotions at all, even though she was in front of Zettour. sadly still didn't learn the lesson that she shouldn't share all her ideas, especially the risky ones. When Tanya felt bad that someone would have to do this mission , I wanted to scream at her that she would be the one doing it because there is no one better here, lol.
今週のターニャの表情は最高だったな。特に今回は笑わせてもらった。ツェートゥアーとアンドロメダ計画が彼女の核心を揺さぶったのは間違いない。ツェートゥアーの面前だというのに、感情を一切抑えられていなかった。ただ、危険なアイデアを全部共有すべきじゃないという教訓は、残念ながらまだ学べていないようだ。誰かがこの任務を遂行しなければならないとターニャが気まずそうにしていた時、心の中で「お前がやるんだよ、ここに適任者はいないんだから」と叫びたくなったわ。考察くん
BosuW
原文
so much so that she wasn't able to contain her emotions at all, even though she was in front of Zettour. I really like that Tanya has progressively become just a bit less guarded about her emotions, and in general all the Empire characters are a bit less composed. Good showing of how the whole organization is very stressed. Everyone already knows now that Tanya isn't a warmonger and she'd prefer if the war ends as soon as possible, even if the Empire wins nothing from it. The narrative doesn't even have to abuse the Misunderstanding Field anymore, because they're all already locked in this highway to hell regardless.
ゼットーアの前だってのに、感情をまったく抑えられなかったのがすごく良かった。ターニャが徐々に心のガードを緩めるようになってるのが好きだし、帝国のキャラクター全体的に余裕がなくなってるのもいいね。組織全体がかなり追い詰められてるのが伝わる。もうみんなターニャが好戦的じゃなくて、帝国に何の得がなくても戦争が早く終わればいいと思ってるって分かってるしな。誤解フィールドに頼らなくても、みんな地獄への道に乗り込んじゃってるからね。普通くん
nighty_amy
I facepalmed at the moment Tanya said this, like it wasn't immediately obvious she'll have to do it!
ターニャがこれ言った瞬間まじで顔面パンチしたくなったわ笑 やるしかないの目に見えてるじゃん!ギャル
Nachtwandler_FS
Like Tanya herself is probably OP enough to at least deal with not-Soviet mages, but I fear either the overall operation will fail or Zettour and some more named characters will die.
ターニャ本人は多分、ソ連風の魔導師くらいなら余裕で倒せるくらい強いと思うけど、作戦全体が失敗するか、ゼートゥーアや他の名前付きキャラが死ぬんじゃないかって心配だな。普通くん
Montana_Gamer
原文
I expect to see a good portion of Tanya's mage company get absolutely slaughtered. After season 1 and the amount of plot armor these MFs had, she's never had a FRIEND die before, which I would say her commanders/OG squad qualify, and I am beginning to wonder how much darker the tone could get. It isn't a necessary shift but the source material is deeply psychological and emphasizes the torment of war on a soldier's mind and I think there is a lot of untapped suffering waiting to happen. Regardless, whether they just kinda have "Everyone has a -10 morale debuff" approach or some of this shit starts getting to Tanya it'll work.
ターニャの魔導大隊がガッツリ殺られる所見たいわ。シーズン1であの連中の主人公補正やばすぎたからな、今まで仲間が死んだ事なかったやん。指揮官や初期メンバーはもう友人枠やろ。トーンがどこまで暗くなるのか気になるわ。必須やないけど原作はめっちゃ心理的で兵士の心への戦争の苦悩を描いてるし、まだ掘り起こされてない苦しみが大量にありそうやろ。まあ「全員士気-10デバフ」みたいな展開でも、ターニャが精神的に来る展開でもどっちでも成立するわ。2ちゃん
Greg_The_Rabbit
I'm thinking of all the new guys who got added to the cast in episode 1 and all I see is a field of red shirts lol. RIP new guys!
第1話で新しく追加されたキャラクターたちを見てると、全員が赤シャツ(使い捨て要員)に見えてくるわ。新入りたち、安らかに。普通くん
zealoSC
One of the recruits tries to die during training, they learned to avoid that
あの訓練で死のうとした新兵いたじゃん?それを避ける術を学んだんだってやばくね!?笑ギャル
raknor88
原文
I really don't have a good feeling about the operation success, looking at how ill-prepared everything is. This entire season has pretty much been pointing towards the Empire losing the war. At this point the rest of the world has organized and is ready to fight the single country that is running out of resources and man power. I just hope that Tanya doesn't lose too many subordinates before the war is over.
作戦成功の見込みガチで薄いわ。準備不足すぎやろ。今期ずっと帝国負けフラグ立てまくってるやん。世界中が団結して資源も人も尽きかけの一国に総攻撃って構図やしな。ターニャの部下が戦争終わるまでに減りすぎませんようにとしか言えんわ。2ちゃん
abandoned_idol
"I feel sorry for that person. (Doesn't concern me)"
その人には気の毒だと思うけど、自分には関係ないかな。普通くん
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
So not only is Tanya bait in this stupid reckless operation, one of her units are being siphoned off to be support. Oh, and she’s forced to defend her position at all cost. Girl cannot catch a break! Fuckin leadership, man. These people do not realize the severity of the situation on the frontlines and want a win regardless of the cost. Fools. And lo and behold, the entire op is fucked from day 1. It’s plagued with operational and logistical difficulties and the Allies are already well aware of it and have come prepared af. Plus, they took out Weiss! Gonna need a genuine miracle for Tanya to pull this off and we all know X is a shit.
ターニャはこの無謀な作戦の囮にされてるだけじゃなく、部隊の一部まで支援に引き抜かれてるんだよな。しかも陣地を死守しろと。彼女に休む暇なんてないわ。上層部はマジで前線の深刻さを理解してないし、犠牲を顧みずに勝利だけを求めてる。愚かすぎる。そして案の定、作戦は初日から崩壊してる。作戦上も兵站上も問題だらけで、連合軍は完全に準備してきてる。さらにワイスまでやられた!ターニャがこれを乗り切るには本物の奇跡が必要だし、Xがクソなのは周知の事実だな。考察くん
TheMechanic04
Yeah only Zettour has sense in the command
ゼットゥーアだけがまともなんだよな!他の連中ほんとやばくね!?笑ギャル
FreshBlinkOnReddit
原文
Pretty much. Rudersdorf and Lernen have significant talent at tactics for operations and defeating their enemy. But none of that means anything when you logistically cannot feed your troops anymore and they are out of shells. Zettour is the only one besides Tanya who sees the obvious writing on the wall, that they have lost the war of attrition, and America (Unified States) will eventually join in and finish the war.
まさにその通りだね。ルーデルスドルフとレルゲンは作戦戦術や敵を打ち破る才能はある。でも兵站的に兵士に食料を供給できず、砲弾も尽きたら意味がない。ゼートゥアーだけがターニャ以外で明らかな危機を見抜いてるんだよ。消耗戦に負けてるし、アメリカ(連合国)が最終的に参戦して戦争を終わらせるってな。普通くん
DisplayHonest6465
And takes the bigger part of the cake
それってまじで美味しいとこ持ってくじゃん!ずるくね?笑ギャル
shad79
It looks like the enemy has a higher opinion of Zettour than his own country's government. And that doesn't bode well for the Empire (and Tanya ). If Zettour dies, then I can easily see Rudersdorf losing the rest of his wits .
敵はゼートゥアーを自国政府よりも高く評価してるみたいだな。そしてそれは帝国(とターニャ)にとって良い前兆じゃない。もしゼートゥアーが死んだら、ルーデルスドルフが残りの正気を失うのは容易に想像できるよ。普通くん
ExcitableSarcasm
Honestly I was expecting them to start the Unified States entry plot by having Rudersdorf order the U boat attack
正直、ルーデルスドルフがUボート攻撃を命令して統一国家編が始まるかと思ってたわ。まさかあんな展開になるとはな…予想外すぎて震えたわ。感情くん
zer0number
(and Tanya ). Her reaction face game was on point this episode.
(そしてターニャもね)今週の彼女のリアクション顔芸は完璧だったな。普通くん
Original_Employee621
Rudersdorf needs to just join Zettour at the frontlines. Leave the logistics to anyone else. Far more than Zettour, Rudersdorf feels like a man who actually misses being in the trenches.
ルーデルスドルフは前線でツェートゥアーと合流すべきやろ。後方の兵站なんて誰にでも任せろや。ツェートゥアー以上に、あいつは塹壕にいた頃が恋しいタイプに見えるわ。2ちゃん
BosuW
Which is why the senseless booted him from command.
だから無能な上官が彼を指揮官から外したんだよッ!あの判断マジで意味不明すぎる!!感情くん
PeaceAlien
It's over everyone Tanya is doomed 😢
みんな終わったよ…ターニャはもうダメだ😢普通くん
kalirion
At least their orders are to take her alive! (Mary Sue may get in the way of that)
まじでせめて生け捕り命令なのが救いじゃん!?(メアリー・スーが邪魔するかもだけど笑)ギャル
inuhi
Praise the lord and pass the ammunition
主讃美あって弾薬よこせやwww2ちゃん
BosuW
And we'll all stay free!
そして俺たちはみんな自由のままだッ!最高だろこれ!感情くん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
Gonna need a genuine miracle for Tanya to pull this off Time to pray! (better put back the statue's head first)
ターニャがこれをやり遂げるには本物の奇跡が必要だな。祈る時だ!(まずは像の頭を元に戻さないとね)普通くん
Obaruler
Yes, time to (literally) pray for the biggest nuke'ish magical bullet in that worlds history delivered by Tanya.
ワイ、ターニャの世界史最大級の核弾頭魔法弾に祈りを捧げるンゴwww2ちゃん
raknor88
a genuine miracle for Tanya to pull this off and we all know X is a shit. A simple prayer and Tanya will go Super Saiyan.
ターニャがこれを成し遂げたのはまさに奇跡だし、Xがクソなのは誰もが知ってる。簡単な祈りでターニャが超サイヤ人になるってわけか。最高すぎるッ!感情くん
justsyr
And lo and behold, the entire op is fucked from day 1. It’s plagued with operational and logistical difficulties and the Allies are already well aware of it and have come prepared af. Is there a hint or mentioned who's Ultra?
そして見よ、作戦全体が初日から台無しだ。作戦上も兵站上も問題だらけで、連合軍はそれを完全に把握して万全の準備をしてきてる。ウルトラって誰のことかヒントや言及あったっけ?普通くん
DemonWraith2500
What is more terrifying then war? Tanya's training.
戦争より恐ろしいものがある?ターニャの訓練だッ!無理すぎる…あれは戦争の比じゃないよ…ッ!感情くん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
What's more terrifying than Tanya's training? Tanya SMILING.
ターニャの訓練より怖いもんなんてある? 答え:ターニャがニッコリ笑うことやろwww ワイ震え上がったわ2ちゃん
Rndy9
Whats more terrifying than Tanya smiling? Zettour opening his eyes.
ターニャが笑うより怖いもの?ゼートゥーアが目を開けることだな。普通くん
snarkamedes
Weiss's last words: "Better Dead than re-Ed(ucation)"
ヴァイスの最後の言葉「死んだ方がマシだ、再教育なんて受けるぐらいなら」……しんどすぎるッ!この決意が刺さりまくる。優勝。感情くん
zool714
Lol the way Tanya flew and Visha just plucked her midair
やばくね!?ターニャが飛んでるのをヴィーシャが空中でぱって掴むとことか最高なんだけど笑ギャル
thisisdropd
原文
The little slut. Is she tempting me? Mate, she's only 11. I guess she's indeed tempting you but not in the way you thought, you damn freak. The Coalition's doing pretty well on the covert side of things seeing as they've got an asset who's high up the Empire's command. They could get quick update on any major movements. Reckon the Empire's too focused on the military side to pay attention on espionage. Not only do they seem to be lacking on the offensive side, there were no indications of any counter-espionage activities. This was likely one factor in their eventual downfall.
あの小悪魔め……ワイを誘惑しとるんか?いや待て、彼女はまだ11歳やぞ。確かに誘惑しとるかもしれんが、お前が考えてる意味とは違うわ、このクソ野郎が。連合は隠密工作が上手いンゴなあ。帝国軍の上層部にスパイがいるんやろ。主要な動きはすぐに察知できるわ。帝国は軍事面に集中しすぎて、スパイ対策がおろそかやったんやろな。攻撃面だけやなく、防諜活動も全く兆候がなかったで。これが最終的な敗北の一因やったんやろな。2ちゃん
justking1414
Mate, she's only 11. I guess she's indeed tempting you but not in the way you thought, you damn freak. No surprise there. The guy he’s based on targeted girls as young as 7. And arrested them for treason if they didn’t accept flowers after he was…finished
おい、彼女はまだ11歳だぞ。確かに誘惑してるように見えるかもしれないが、お前が考えてるような意味じゃない。変態野郎。驚きもないけどな。モデルになった奴は7歳の少女を標的にしてたんだ。しかも用が済んだ後に花を受け取らなかったら反逆罪で逮捕してたって話だ。普通くん
clone69
Oh, so he's based on a real person? Who is the inspiration?
え、まじで実在の人がモデルなの!?誰が元ネタなん!?気になりすぎるんだけど笑ギャル
Meyaar
Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria
ベリヤwww草ァ!ワイの中で一番やばい奴やんけ2ちゃん
Any-Calligrapher2866
Yeah this mf needs to go
まじでこいつ消えてほしいんだけど!!ギャル
Ellefied
I will wholeheartedly recommend The Death of Stalin as a must-watch for anyone who wants to see Beria's comeuppance.
ベリアの成敗が見たい奴には『デス・オブ・スターリン』全力でおすすめしとくわ。ガチで見る価値あるで。2ちゃん
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Somehow he was even worse than Yagoda
確かに、ヤゴーダよりタチ悪い感じするんだけど笑 まじでやばくない?ギャル