幼女戦記Ⅱ

Von Rudersdorf's got quite the sharp mind, for correctly suspecting von Zettour of being after his head. It's unfortunate that coincidentally the Allied Kingdom had the same aim and so his death was a genuine war casualty instead of a conspiracy. In his dying moments, he incorrectly exonerated von Zettour. So much for Tanya's wish for the war to end soon. Instead, she got a full-blown war against the pasta fuckers. Hope we don't have to wait 9 years for a third season.

Is that canon? (I’m fine if it’s spoiler) I also suspected that Zettour might’ve leaked the info. Cause in the previous episode, it was mentioned that there was “a spy in the heart of the empire.” I wouldn’t be surprised if Zettour had a clue on this, and purposefully leaked it. Not to mention, there was not a smidge of surprise in his expression after Tanya’s report. edit: actually it might even be that Zettour himself is the spy, since only he and Tanya (and her squad afterwards) supposedly knew of the plan.

There isn't actually anything that suggests that the allied and federation knew about Zettour's plan to assassinate Rudersdorf, and if they did they probably wouldn't have bothered showing up. Why risking losing men for an objective your enemy is going to do by itself? The only thing they really knew was that Rudersdorf would be returning from the front to the capital and therefore would be vulnerable to an attack. This is something that a ton of people knew and could have leaked.

"I wonder if Zettour was also the one who leaked Rudersdorf’s location to the Allied Kingdom" They didn't know. If i understood correctly they were just escorting the planes that bombarded the empire's capital and the "non-russian" just went to help the escort. They had to protect the planes against any enemy, it's just a coincidence that the allies and Tanya met ... but Being X might the one behind the coincidence. Edit . from ep 11, some allies knew about Rudendorf's plane and the bomber mission was a cover/excuse to send allies' mages in the area.

I don’t think that works. The Allied Kingdom being involved put the mission in serious jeopardy. There was a legitimate shot at Rudensdorf escaping. Had the notRussians not been there with a new prototype jewel that Tanya couldn’t deal with, the mission probably fails because the Allied Kingdom was there. If he was the source, it makes SO much more sense to not use a war hero in an escort role and instead count on the Allied Kingdom to run into Rudensdorf in a fake encounter battle that overwhelms a normal group of mages. Tanya being involved would be an unneeded complication, while also burning a valuable war asset.

That's just it, if you know the enemy is about to engage in a bit of infighting... Why would you interrupt that? Far better to let the enemy fight himself, then 'leak' evidence of that maleficence to cripple enemy morale. I'd also add that if Zettour is the mole, why would the not-British have tried to kill him a few episodes ago? That was the one where Zettour used his own head as bait and road out to the front lines like a true madman. So long as the spy remains cooperative, why burn them?

Simple. If he lets go of his gun, then Tanya backs off and stops her DTKO knockout spell. Which then leaves Mr. Gulag unable to fight back against the enemy's strongest ace. She still has her gun, he doesn't. He may have a sidearm, like a small pistol, but it won't have the fixated bayonet or penetrative power he'll need to push through her magic shields. At that point, he'd have to abandon the mission and retreat while hoping "The Devil" pursues other targets instead of finishing him off. His options are to try and shake her off or give up the mission... and potentially still die while failing. Don't forget the party gave him a shiny new toy and told him he needs to show off with it. Mr. Gulag doesn't want to go back to the Gulag. Dropping his weapon and fleeing from the enemy sounds like Gulag to me.

Fighting until he's too injured to continue, damn near dying in the process like a good little patriot > being a lily-livered counter-revolutionary chickenshit that disobeyed orders and fled in the face of adversity. Objectively, you do want soldiers who will make strategic retreats instead of dying needlessly... but we've been shown this is the Not-USSR. In our timeline, the Soviet Union literally had troops stationed behind the front lines whose primary goal was to murder anyone that tried to flee. From their own side. And that's on top of the commissars that would engage in summary executions of anyone they deemed not sufficiently 'motivated' to the cause. Remember that lady officer in the Federation that Mary Sue got buddy, buddy with, but Mr. Gulag and the Allied commander side-eyed? Yeah... her job is to shoot people in the head for questioning orders. And yes, fleeing without completing your mission counted as "questioning orders." Failing is still bad, make no mistake, but refusing to follow orders is a death sentence. Being injured badly is his only case for the former and not the later.

I mean Occam's Razor is that he either ditched his gun to avoid being exploded with Tanya or Tanya managed to land some damage on him to make him pull back. Remember, he's not crazy like Mary Sue, he actually has some survival instincts. If he got wounded or lost his ability to fight he prolly just bailed and went "eh, I did everything I could, no use in suiciding against someone that crazy". Or maybe maybe she only managed to disengage from him and after recovering he woulda attacked her again had she not been getting Kamehameha'd by Mary Sue. Or maybe his jewel, when put under such high pressure, failed and caused him to have to retreat. None of it really matters. We know both Tanya and him are alive and she got away from him at least for a short time. Similarly we never saw Mary Sue be caught or recover but we can just assume that happened. And its not like Tanya got away and then went through another 3 fights or something. She slipped away just long enough to block a few shots at the plane and then let Mary Sue kill the plan. So without the dramatic cinematic pacing slowing down the action she prolly only broke free for about 30 seconds or something. Considering the extremely short amount of time involved I don't actually consider it a plot hole or anything. But I know people are like "BUT WHAT HAPPENED I WANNA SEE!!". I get that, but lets be real the reality is gonna be less exciting then your imagination. 0% chance she killed him.

You invoke Occam's razor and then you come up with like 10 equally likely theories, kind of ironic. The fact is we don't know and Tanya just appearing after this intense fight was jarring. She said she will take the officer with her, yet both seem to have survived, but we never see how. They will definitly show it if the anime get's a sequal, but this episode isn't any better for it. Something is missing that should have been shown. It was a super intense scene and it's resolution just got skipped. Similarly we never saw Mary Sue be caught or recover but we can just assume that happened. yeah bc we saw her again. But her recovery should also have been shown.

She's that tough though because layered blessings giving her exceptional power as a mage. And powerful mages are incredibly tanky, taking physical damage to their bodies far beyond what ordinary people could survive and just being 100% fine shortly after with just a brief hospitalization time. This has happened to Tanya and her crew and Mary Sue's Dad and Mary Sue herself all before. Its one of the things that makes strong mages crazy powerful, and its consistent in both the anime and the lore. If Mary Sue was a similarly blessed non-mage she'd be far weaker and die to far lesser wounds.

Tanya 's illustration was absolutely beautiful ! I'd buy a picture book with her illustrations immediately if that were possible, lol. Overall, this was a great final episode ! A lot happened, from Tanya 's showdown with Mary Sue and Mikel to Rudersdorf's death and Zettour becoming the de facto leader of the Empire when it comes to war—and all that ending with Tanya thinking the war is over, only to end up attacking Ildoa , hahaha! As for the entire season... I really liked it, though people who expected it to be action-heavy probably got a little disappointed. Personally, I enjoy the geopolitical side of the show, so it's an 8/10 from me, and I hope we won't have to wait another ten years for the next season, like we did after the first one. Here my screenshot albums from the episode: Tanya Group scenes Zettour Mary Sue Mikel Others And here bonus album: TANYA (ENTIRE SEASON) EDIT. I added my screenshot albums.

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The problem here is how you define evil. Tanya doesn't like killing and is not looking to prolong the war, and I assure you that if she were given the chance to leave the front lines, she would take it in a heartbeat. She accepted Zettour's plan because she intended to retire to politics with him as soon as he staged his coup. The problem is that she's already high enough in the chain of command to resign; if she does, she'll surely be accused of treason, and when the empire falls, she'll be used as a scapegoat.

It's so funny that it's always the Youjo Senki and Overlord fandoms that brag about their evil protag, but never actually want to admit that their obviously evil character is evil. Evil doesn't mean irrational. Tanya is nearly completely devoid of empathy and does absolutely brutal shit, and enjoys doing it. She didn't have to grin like a maniac at the thought of the perfect plan to assassinate a general but she did. The person closest to her, Zettour, considers himself a monster. And even then Tanya is another league. Under almost any common definition she's evil. She's utterly self centered and does not care about others beyond their use to herself.

I’m not familiar with Overlord so I don’t know what its protagonist is like. My issue with the word "evil" is that Tanya isn't evil; she is brutally selfish, and her moral standards are clearly low. However, she doesn't cause harm for the sake of causing harm, nor does she actually enjoy killing—and to me, "evil" implies both of those things. In war, no matter what you do, you are killing people; the lines between good and evil here are completely blurred. While it was clearly wrong for Tanya to destroy a church with civilian because some soldiers where there, let's remember that this all began with the Empire defending itself. Practically from the moment France fell, the Allies decided against seeking peace and focused solely on destroying the Empire at any cost. That *is* genuinely evil, as they are deliberately inflicting damage to crush the Empire and intentionally prolonging the war and the suffering of countless people. And Tanya didn't enjoy killing Rudersdorf—he was essentially her friend—but she viewed him as a man determined to prolong a lost cause. He wanted to open yet another front simply to inflict maximum damage and uphold the Empire's honor. It’s essentially the same sentiment held by the German commanders who tried to assassinate Hitler in order to negotiate an end to the war.

Tanya is absolutely evil but I already explained my thoughts on the term below. It's Star Wars morality to act like extreme sadistic pleasure is needed to be evil. Simply being selfish and lacking empathy is enough. People act like there is this grey zone between benevolence and malevolence where one is a robotic, perfectly logical psychopath. Make no mistake if Tanya had to kill a million newborns to mildly annoy Being X she would because that is her goal, and she spares no thought for another person's autonomy. That is evil. In war, no matter what you do... That is genuinely evil, as they are deliberately inflicting damage to crush the Empire and intentionally prolonging the war and the suffering of countless people. I don't know why you're trying to explain basic ethics to me like I don't understand that there is moral complexity in war. Even your last statement isn't evil as the Allies believe that the Empire needs to fall for the greater good, they're scared. My claim that Tanya is evil has nothing to do with the war and everything to do with her inner monologues. And Tanya didn't enjoy killing Rudersdorf—he was essentially her friend Unless you're getting this from the source material that I haven't read, no. Tanya doesn't have friends. Her ultimate goal is a safe cushy life, and killing Rudersdorf in such a way left her grinning like crazy because the only thing she really enjoys is winning. She does not care about him. It’s essentially the same sentiment held by the German commanders who tried to assassinate Hitler in order to negotiate an end to the war. No, that is what Zettour feels. Tanya is another monster entirely. Zettour cares about something greater than himself, Tanya's only higher ideal beyond herself is her current war against Being X. And that ideology is essentially an extension of herself and will. Sometimes I wonder if we're watching the same show. Did the dramatic flashes of lightning, deliberately evil face, title of the anime, and author not give you the vibe that maybe everyone involved in the creation of the character think she's evil?

If I recall correctly, the author didn't even call it "Tanya the Evil" in Japanese; a more direct translation was something like *Military Chronicles of a Little Girl*. I think the "the Evil" part was added simply for marketing reasons, and for those same reasons, the anime exaggerated her expressions and chose to direct certain scenes the way it did. As for whether Tanya would kill a million people just to spite Being X, I don't think she'd go that far. I don't recall seeing her make such a radical decision—even in the anime—though my memory might be a bit fuzzy (to be fair, it's been a while since I watched the first season and the movie). I think the most extreme thing she did was strategically sending a subordinate—who had disobeyed and disrespected her—to a trench to die, which is definitely pretty messed up. So, by your definition, you're right, and it makes sense that you viewed my comment as incorrect. I don't operate on a *Star Wars*-style system of villainy; for me, being "evil" implies an intent to cause harm, even when other options are available.

If I recall correctly, the author didn't even call it "Tanya the Evil" in Japanese; a more direct translation was something like Military Chronicles of a Little Girl . He didn't but I assume he was fine with the evil part lol. I don't disagree with anything you wrote so I think we can agree to disagree on stuff. But as a side note, are you using AI for translation or something? I've never seen someone use em-dashes and semi colons that often. But you don't seem like a chat bot lol.

This is Star Wars morality lol. You don't need active malevolence in your day to day life to be considered evil by the majority of humans you simply need to be self centered and uncaring to the extreme. to inflict pain and suffering an another for the primary purpose of self-pleasure or gratification All your describing is sadism. Obviously 'evil' is a made up term, but I'd argue uncaring self-centered psychopaths would be labeled evil by pretty much everyone on the planet, if they actually had to deal with them. in that context, every shitty boss and a vast portion of corporate management are evil lol They have shitty tendencies but most of these people aren't "kill you with a second thought if it benefits me" evil. Tanya is.

Overlord, the MC lost his humanity by suppressing his emotions with magic. If the emotional suppression had been off, he would have stopped due to the twinges of guilt far before the atrocities ramped up. Tanya is a true sociopath in that she suppresses emotion with rationality to an extreme degree. But in this case, she's "evil" because she opposes the will of "god". In the face of that, is she truly on the wrong side? What is "evil"?

When people say Lawful Evil, they are (or should be) using it to refer specifically to D&D alignments. So evil is not traditional evil, but closer to selfish. Lawful evil characters methodically took what they want in life within the limits of their personally held beliefs. While they cared about tradition, loyalty and order, they had little to no regard for the freedom, dignity or overall lives of others. They were comfortable within a hierarchy, willing to serve in an attempt to gain more power; they saw the laws and power dynamics of Toril as a means of elevating those who deserve to be masterful of others who are meant to be subservient That feels like a perfect description of Tanya.