幼女戦記Ⅱ

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砂時計
外交の行き詰まりは、ルーデルドルフを絶望させる。彼にはこれ以上、躊躇する時間がなかった。ならば必要なことを、とルーデルドルフは考える。しかし、その決断は1人の友を激怒させる。
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Santedtra
I'd just love to know what monologue was going on in Tanya's head back there.
ターニャの頭の中のモノローグまじで知りたいんだけど!ギャル
Myrkrvaldyr
''Fucking finally someone is willing to stop the stupid brass! I'll even kill babies for this!'' is what I expect her pragmatic and utilitarian mind to think.
「やっと誰かあのクソ無能な上層部を止める気になったか!そのためなら赤ん坊だって殺してやるわ!」ってのが、彼女の実利的で功利主義的な思考だと思うんだよなwwwwおじ
ColeridgianFlab
Saga of Lindsay Clancy the evil
リンジー・クランシーの邪悪なサーガだね普通くん
saga999
It's for the greater good.
大義のためやで。2ちゃん
LateDitto
Looks like Tanya's machiavellianism is rubbing off on Zettour too lol
ターニャのマキャベリズムがツェートールにも移ったみたいだなwww普通くん
shad79
Honestly, Tanya and Zettour are a perfect match for each other , those sinister smiles from this episode certainly prove it.
我が盟約の時は満ちた……ターニャとツェットール、あの邪悪なる微笑みこそ二人の魂が共鳴せし証。運命はかくも美しく絡み合うのだ。中二病
Aces-and-Jacks1
I more think it’s they have a similar logical way of thinking
同じような論理的な思考の仕方をするってことだと思うな。普通くん
KibaTeo2
definitely this, both realizing the rational answer to save their country can be done so simply. It's so perfectly simple that they can't help but smile how easily it will all fall into place after this.
まあそうだな、祖国を救う合理的な答えがこんなに簡単だと二人とも気づく。完璧なほど単純で、この後すべてがすんなり収まるのが可笑しくて仕方ないんだろうな。ドライおじ
15000yuki
What are you talking about. That's the sweetest smile of a teenager I can think of.
何を申されておる。あれこそ拙者が思い描く十代の、最も愛らしき微笑みにござる。武士
Earlier-Today
Is Tanya a teen yet? I'd thought she was 12 at this point - just short of her teen years.
ターニャってもう10代なの?この時点で12歳だと思ってたんだけど、あと少しで10代ってところじゃん。普通くん
fozi4ek
Twoteen or something
てかTwoteenとかじゃん?やばくね!?ギャル
BosuW
They left the two demons alone in a room. Should not be a surprise when the door opens and flames spew out.
悪魔二人を同じ部屋に残すとか、ドア開けたら炎噴き出すのは当然やろwww2ちゃん
RooeeZe
for some reason i thought that was because hes the informant / spy
なんか、彼が情報提供者/スパイだからだと思ってたわ…!感情くん
AmmarBaagu
I assume that he leaked the info of that flight to get the plan to work. In that sense, he kinda used the Kingdom and Federation to pull this plan off
あの飛行の情報をわざと漏らして計画を進めたんだろうね。そういう意味では王国と連邦を利用した感じか。普通くん
Global_Rin
After all the bullshits Tanya and her squad had gone through the whole season, because Empire's top brass was chasing impossible lala-land? "F*ck, yeah! We are doing a coup d'état! - I have been waiting for this!" Honestly, her face is so demonic - the most evil face shown, period.
ターニャ達が今季ずっと帝国上層部の無理難題でクソみたいな目に遭ってきた末がこれかよ?「クソったれ、やったるでクーデターや!ずっと待っとったんや!」って、マジでその顔が悪魔すぎるwww 今までで一番邪悪な顔やんけ、ガチで。2ちゃん
Ralathar44
It's hilarious how different it is from the original art style. The anime really made some choices with the art style and the naming.
原作の画風と全然違うのが笑えるわ。アニメは画風も名前もいろいろ思い切ったことしたね。普通くん
SnabDedraterEdave
原文
IIRC Carlo Sen, the author, specifically requested Studio Nut, the animation studio, to not draw Tanya too cute as he didn't want the series to be seen as a CGDWC - Cute Girls Doing War Crimes show and glorying war and violence. Studio Nut did a balancing act by making Tanya's facial expressions twisted enough to horrify viewers, without making her too cartoonishly unattractive. As Rerugen says, she's a demon in the skin of a blonde loli. Yuuki Aoi then nailed it by bringing out Tanya's evil charm.
作者のカルロ・ゼンがNUTに「ターニャを可愛く描きすぎるな」って注文したんやな。萌え戦争犯罪アニメにしたくなかったんやろ。NUTは顔を歪ませて恐怖感出しつつ、ブスにもせん絶妙なバランス取ったんや。レルゲンが言う通り、金髪ロリの皮被った悪魔や。悠木碧の演技がまた完璧でな、ターニャの邪悪な魅力を引き出しまくったンゴ2ちゃん
Lyunn
I've looked this up before and didn't find anything, and people have already asked for sources for that info on the Youjo Senki sub, and not a single person could cite one. So AFAIK that "author asked to change the style" thing is just a rumor, since it seems to have no source.
前に調べたけど何も見つからなかったし、幼女戦記のサブでもその情報の出典を求めてる人がいたけど誰も示せなかった。だから「作者がスタイル変更を求めた」ってのは出典がないただの噂だと思う。普通くん
SnabDedraterEdave
Whatever you say.
はいはい、そういうことにしといてあげる〜笑ギャル
Granito_Rey
Best shot of the episode, I hope it's the banner for the weekly karma thread lol
今週のベストショットだね、週間カルマスレのバナーになってほしいわ笑普通くん
Ralathar44
原文
Considering the art style is wholly original to the anime and so is the name it's just there to make you think Tanya is more sinister than she is. The reality is their Commanding officer is basically telling the entire military to go die for no reason because he knows and ADMITS they've lost but refuses to stop fighting anyways. Their CO is literally trying to get them all killed and somehow them killing him to save all their own lives and the nation is somehow being spun as if its evil.
作画も名前もアニメオリジナルやからな。ターニャを必要以上に悪く見せるための演出やろ。実際は指揮官が「負けた」と認めとるのに戦い続けて全軍に死ねと言うとるんや。自衛のために指揮官殺すのが悪みたいに描かれるのおかしいやろ。2ちゃん
saga999
"Finally, a way out of this war! How wonderful!"
ついにこの戦争から抜け出せるのか!最高すぎる!普通くん
rubslotiononitsskin
Tanya doesn't care about Zettour's reasoning or even his conflicting emotions. She's just doing it for the love of the game!
ターニャはゼートゥーアの理屈も葛藤もどうでもいい!ただゲームが好きすぎてやってるだけなんだよな!感情くん
Akaishi264
No, Tanya was just as conflicted as Zettour. She just came to the same conclusion that a military coup with a devil General was the only way to end the war without all the empire suffering. She is just pragmatic and figured that if she has to betray Rudersdorf, they might as well milk it for they can to accomplish their endgame.
いや、ターニャもゼートゥーアと同じくらい葛藤してたよ。悪魔のような将軍を擁した軍事クーデターだけが帝国全土を犠牲にせず戦争を終わらせる道だと、同じ結論に至っただけ。彼女はただ現実主義的で、ルーデルドルフを裏切るなら最終目標のために最大限利用しようと考えたんだ。普通くん
Ellefied
What a horrible misreading of wartime characters
やばくない?戦時中のキャラの読み方まじでひどいんだけど笑ギャル
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
You know shit’s really bad when they’re opening up conscription to volunteers who were previously ineligible. You’re a hop, skip, and a jump away from arming children and the elderly. And yet, the grizzled old bastard Rudersdorf’s still trying to secure victory for the Empire? Zettour and Tanya are devious mfers but they gotta do what they gotta do for the survival of the Empire. But if I’m understanding this correctly, are there now actually two independent plots to take the man out? One from the Allies and the other from within? If that’s the case, that’s going to be very interesting….
徴兵制を志願兵に開放とかマジでヤバい状況やん。もう子供と老人に武器持たせる寸前やで。なのにあのクソジジイのルーデルドルフはまだ帝国の勝利にこだわっとるんか?ゼートゥーアとターニャは腹黒いけど帝国存続のためにはやるしかないンゴ。でもこれ、暗殺計画が2つあるってこと?連合国からと内部からの。それならガチで面白くなってきたわ…2ちゃん
Mysteries67
I can see the assassination going sideways. Tanya and gang "saving" Rudolf from the enemies' assassination.
暗殺が裏目に出るのが目に見えるな。ターニャ一味が敵の暗殺からルドルフを「救出」する展開だろう。ドライおじ
shad79
原文
Of course it's going to go sideways. While I have no idea what the final outcome will be, I’m 100% sure Tanya is going to end up with a massive headache, lol. After all, there are just too many players on the board at the same time, each with a different agenda: Tanya and her unit , aiming to assassinate Rudersdorf Drake and his unit (meaning Mary Sue is bound to show up), who want the same outcome but with the added challenge of keeping their involvement completely under wraps The Federation mages , who will just happen to be caught in the crossfire since they’re only there to escort the Kingdom's bombers
どうせめちゃくちゃになるやろな。結末は分からんけどターニャがガチで頭痛くなるのは100%確信しとるわwww 盤上に駒多すぎやろ。目的バラバラやんけ: ・ターニャ隊→ルーダースドルフ暗殺狙い ・ドレイク隊→同じく狙いやが完全隠密が難関(メアリー出るやろな) ・連邦魔導士→王国爆撃機の護衛で巻き込まれるだけの不運な奴ら2ちゃん
Diligent-Walk1234
Drake's unit is 100% going to shoot down that plane and turn an accident into a massive galvanizing, morale revitalizing incident.
ドレイクの部隊が絶対あの飛行機撃ち落とすじゃん!事故がでっかい士気高揚イベントに化けるやつだこれ、まじやばくね!?ギャル
BosuW
That kind of irony would be just in line for Youjo Senki Fuck, even better if it's Mary with her usual nuke spam
それ系の皮肉、幼女戦記ならガチでアリやろwww メアリーのいつもの核スパムなら尚更草2ちゃん
Saffyr
My money is on Mary spotting Tanya, crashing out again and while trying to kill Tanya, accidentally hitting the plane in a way that can undeniably be blamed on the Empire's enemies.
拙者の見立てではござるが、メアリーがターニャを見つけ次第、また激高して暴走し、ターニャを討たんとして誤って飛行機に命中——これは帝国の敵の所業と断じられぬことはあるまいな。武士
athrun_1
I'm more imagining what would be Rudersdorf reaction. Will he have some flashbacks moments, and the realization that Zetour and Tanya set this all up.
ルーデルスドルフの反応の方が気になるな。フラッシュバックとかあって、ゼートゥアとターニャが仕組んだって気づくのかね。普通くん
Minimum-Studio-2029
The mages of the federation are going to fare very badly; most will probably die because of those unstable new computing devices they were given.
連邦の魔導士らガチで詰んでるわ。あの不安定な新型演算装置のせいで大半が死ぬやろな。2ちゃん
VoidInsanity
Looks to me like its setting up Tanya running into the enemy assassins and in the process of that conflict he is able to escape.
ターニャが敵の暗殺者と遭遇して、その戦いの最中に彼が脱出できる流れになりそうだね。普通くん
fer_sure
It almost has to go wrong: there's two different groups trying to kill the same guy. Being X will doubtless make sure they both try to hit him at the same time.
やばくね!?同じ人を殺そうとしてるグループが2つもあるとかまじカオス笑 てかBeing Xが絶対同時に襲わせるやつじゃん!ギャル
Global_Rin
原文
Yes, the coup d'état planned by Zettour&Tanya to kill him on a flight, portray it as an accident, blame him for treason, and use this opportunity to purge the high command - basically install a Military Dictatorship. For the Allies, they had a spy in the Empire's high places to feed them Rudersdorf's movement - a standard assassination operation. It will be interesting to see how this played out. But the man is so, so dead.
うん、ZettourとTanyaが飛行中に彼を殺すクーデターを計画して、事故に見せかけて反逆罪を着せて、これを機に上層部を粛清——要するに軍事独裁を樹立するって話だね。連合側は帝国の上層部にスパイを送り込んでRudersdorfの動きを流してた——典型的な暗殺作戦だよ。どう展開するか楽しみだけど、あの人はもう完全に終わってるね。普通くん
BosuW
Imagine having two separate parties gunning for your head at the same time for different reasons. The biggest tragedy for Rudersdorff is honestly that he'll likely die strapped to his seat instead of slugging it out in the trenches.
両方から同時に命狙われるとかガチで地獄やん。ルーデルドルフの最大の悲劇は、塹壕で戦うんじゃなくて席に縛られたまま死ぬやろなってことやンゴ…2ちゃん
fozi4ek
Not just separate but with completely opposite goals
ただ分かれてるだけじゃなくて、目的が完全に正反対なんだよな普通くん
Menter33
since stuff always goes against tanya's wishes due to Being X shenanigans, maybe the Allies will shoot down the plane, so his death will just become a rallying cry for the Empire to continue on fighting. at least that's what others have said.
ターニャの願いっていつもBeing Xのせいで裏目に出るから、連合軍が飛行機撃ち落として、そしたら死が帝国の戦意高揚の叫びになるんやろな。少なくとも他の奴らはそう言うとるで。2ちゃん
Magicbison
原文
But if I’m understanding this correctly, are there now actually two independent plots to take the man out? One from the Allies and the other from within? If that’s the case, that’s going to be very interesting…. I figure its part of the plot to assassinate Rudersdorf from Tanya. No way that comes up coincidentally. Leaking information about a top-tier VIP seems like something Tanya is easily capable of. She's very sly like that. Also having enemy combatants also makes Rudersdorf's death easier to play off as an accident assuming everything works out.
整理すると、今ルーデルスドルフを排除する筋書きが二つ独立して存在するのか?連合国側と内部からのもの。だとしたら非常に興味深い…ターニャによるルーデルスドルフ暗殺計画の一部だと考えられる。偶然あんな話が出るはずがない。最高級VIPの情報漏洩はターニャに容易い。彼女はそういう狡猾さがある。敵戦闘員の存在も、全て上手く運べばルーデルスドルフの死を事故に見せかけやすくする。考察くん
Myrkrvaldyr
Leaking information about a top-tier VIP seems like something Tanya is easily capable of. She's very sly like that. The episode made me suspect it's Zettour himself the spy, otherwise how did the plan leak so fast? Either way, next episode will be the bomb.
ターニャなら上級VIPの情報漏洩くらいやりかねないよね。ずる賢いし。今回の話でゼートゥーア自身がスパイなんじゃないかと思った。じゃなきゃあんなに早く計画が漏れないでしょ?とにかく次回が爆弾だわ。普通くん
mekerpan
If Zettour is a spy, he is really a double spy.
ゼットゥアがスパイなら、まじで二重スパイじゃん!ギャル
NecronLord_Europe
I've suspected Zettour is the spy since Project Andromeda. Putting a target on his own back. Perhaps he hoped the failure of the operation or even his own death might change minds back home. Of course, surviving and winning the battle regardless would be good, too.
Zettourはアンドロメダ計画の時からスパイだと疑ってた。自分に的を張るなんて。作戦失敗か自分の死で本国の考えが変わることを望んだのかも。もちろん生き残って勝つのも良かっただろうけど。普通くん
Hitorishizuka
The whole time I've believed he's been trying to get Tanya killed and she played herself into his hands one last time. Tanya's viewed as the kind of asset you regard as a blade in hand but that once you no longer need or can control, you need to get rid of because they're probably going to do something batshit when they go off the reservation.
ターニャを殺そうとしてたという考察は最初からあったな。結局ターニャ自身が彼の手の内で踊らされた。彼女は「手にした刃」的な戦力で、不要か制御不能になったら始末する対象。制御を外れたら何しでかすか分からないからな。考察くん
Hot-Log6283
Imagine if the spy was actually Being X, that would certainly explain why it leaked so fast.
スパイが実はBeing Xだったらどうなる?そしたら速攻で情報漏れたのも納得やんwww2ちゃん
AegisWolf78
Honestly I think the Allies' plan to kill Rudendorf is indipendent from Tanya's, remember they have a spy in the Empire's top brass (very possible they inform them that "general Rudendorf informed the High Command that he will return to the capitol by plane, using this route"). The coincidence seems to me more like Being X pulling some strings.
連合軍がルーデンドルフを殺す計画はターニャとは別だと思う。帝国上層部にスパイがいるし。偶然ってよりBeing Xが糸引いてる気がするな。普通くん
nighty_amy
And I'm pretty sure Tanya and Zettour know about the mole in their ranks (maybe even who they are) and passed the information hoping it will get passed to the Allies and they will jump at the chance to get Rudersdorf killed. Tanya and Zettour's hands would be then clean.
ターニャとツェートゥアは自分たちの中にいるスパイの存在(おそらく正体も)を把握していて、その情報をあえて流し、連合国側に伝わってルーダースドルフを殺す好機に飛びつくよう仕向けたという考察ができる。そうすれば二人の手は汚れないというわけだ。考察くん
skavinger5882
I somewhat think Tanya is the mole. What with her talking about getting an exit.
てかターニャがスパイなんじゃね?出口どうこう言ってたし、まじ怪しいんだけど笑ギャル
Kill-bray
I guess the next episode will clarify it. If Drake will just get in the way of Tanya, we'll know for sure that Zettour or Tanya aren't the spies. If Drake will play a role in making Zettour's and Tanya's plan work then it's likely that one of them is the spy.
次の話でわかるだろ。ドレイクがターニャの邪魔をするなら、ツェートールもターニャもスパイじゃないって確信できる。もしドレイクが2人の計画を成功させる役割を担うなら、どっちかがスパイの可能性が高いね。普通くん
Cool_Ad7445
Yeah if this is ww2, its in Tanya's best interest to get herself Paperclipped by the US at the end of it. So why not expedite the process by pledging yourself to them early?
え、これWW2ならターニャが最後にアメリカにペーパークリップされるのが一番得じゃん!なら早めに忠誠誓ってプロセス早めればよくない?!感情くん
Greg_The_Rabbit
原文
If this was the plan then they wouldn't need to be doing the assassination themselves. They could just 'coincidentally' find the evidence of the coup in his office or something after the enemy does the killing for them. I think it really is just everyone collectively realizing this one stubborn old hardass is responsible for dragging out the war effort. (though really it's not even him, they should have bombed the nobles and emperor to actually put an end to the war.) One way or another I guess this was always going to end in a military coup lol.
これが計画なら暗殺を自分たちでやる必要ないよね。敵に殺させた後で「偶然」クーデターの証拠を執務室で見つけたことにすればいいんだから。たぶん本当に、この頑固な老いぼれが戦争を長引かせてるって全員が気づいただけだと思う。(実際は彼ですらないけど、戦争を終わらせるなら貴族と皇帝を爆撃すべきだった。)どっちにしろ軍事クーデターで終わる運命だったんだな笑普通くん
Charming_While_6092
Ils ne sont pas au courant pour l'assassinat. C'est bien 2 complots différent
みんな暗殺のこと知らんのやろな。これ完全に別々の2つの陰謀やんけ2ちゃん
SmileyTheSmile
In Russia, one of the military leaders has recently suggested removing the ban on conscription for people with debilitating health issues. Which basically includes people with missing limbs. Which they could have lost in the war.
ロシアでは最近、軍指導者の一人が健康上の深刻な問題を抱える人の徴兵禁止を解除するよう提案した。つまり手足を失った人も含まれる。戦争で失った可能性もある。考察くん
kalirion
You know shit’s really bad when they’re opening up conscription to volunteers who were previously ineligible. I thought it meant they had previously been ineligible for a forced conscription/draft, but allowed to volunteer. Is that not the case?
徴兵制で今まで対象外だった志願兵を募集し始める時点でガチでヤバいわ。ワイは「今まで強制徴兵の対象外やったけど志願はOK」って意味かと思ったんやが、違うんか?2ちゃん
BosuW
My subs said the same. The recruiter was praising them for volunteering and the bystanders were slandering those who don't, while not referring to them.
字幕も同じだったわ!勧誘員が志願兵を褒めてて、野次馬は志願しない人たちを悪く言ってたけど、その人たちには触れてなかったんよね。ギャル
saga999
Literally said, "Defeat may be inevitable, but we still have to win!" Dude is in full blown denial about reality.
「敗北は避けられないかもしれないが、それでも勝たなければならない!」だって。こいつ現実を完全に否定してるじゃん。普通くん
Dadarian
原文
As the plane was taking off all I could think of is, who leaked who is on that plane? Which plane? Rudersdorf leaking his own supposed location, going out to bait Zettour into thinking he needs to throw together a quick “kill my friend” plot. But if Rudersdorf instead baits both party’s into meeting up for a best v best v best matchup, then who does he think will win? If he’s the source of the leak, is this all his setup? He is using a tactical plan to bait out his fellow strategic officer, with a hidden secret strategy, the same one Zettour called him out for not having? Probably not. He’s probably just being a bit of an idiot acting irrationally…. Is what he wants everyone to think, yeah I can drop it that’s got to be what’s going on.
飛行機が離陸する時、頭に浮かんだのは誰が機内の人物情報を漏らしたのかということだ。どの機だ?ルーダースドルフが自分の居場所とされる情報を流し、ゼートゥーアを誘き出して「友人を殺せ」という急ごしらえの計画を立てさせようとしたのか。だがもしルーダースドルフが両陣営を最強対最強の対決に誘い込む罠を張ったのなら、誰が勝つと思っているのか?彼が漏洩元なら、これは全て彼の仕掛けか?戦術計画で戦略参謀の同僚を誘い出し、隠された秘密戦略——ゼートゥーアが「持っていない」と指摘したあの戦略——を使うのか?おそらく違う。彼はただ少し愚かに非合理的に振る舞っているだけだろう…と皆に思わせたいんだ。ああ、もういい、これが真相に違いない。考察くん
KazuChuu
Ohh so thats what it is. I was confused at that part, i thought Zettour was the spy somehow and they were talking about the same plan
あーそういうことか。あの部分ワイ混乱してたわ、ゼートゥーがスパイで同じ作戦の話してるんかと思ったンゴ2ちゃん
Ralathar44
Considering we've seen the nutcracker a handful of times in the last few episodes I'm pretty sure the implication is that Being X is spurring on Rudersdorf's sunk cost fallacy and sense of honor to the fallen, twisting it into madness. Just like Being X did with the ruskies and their paranoia about the Empire. Being X is an absolute menace.
ここ数話でくるみ割り人形を何度も見たから、Being XがRudersdorfの埋没費用の誤謬と戦死者への名誉感を煽って狂気に変えてるって示唆だと思う。ロシア人の帝国への偏執病と同じように。Being Xはマジで脅威だわ。普通くん
GreyVersaces
I'm guessing it goes wrong and the general becomes a martyr, fueling the war even more?
たぶん失敗して将軍が殉教者になって、戦争がさらに激化するんやろな?2ちゃん
Myrkrvaldyr
Sounds like something that wretched Being X would do to screw over Tanya's wishes for a cozy safe life. If our girl ain't suffering, she ain't living life to its fullest.
あの忌々しい存在Xがターニャの安寧な生活をぶち壊すためにやりそうなことだよね。うちの子が苦しまないと生きてる意味ないんだから!感情くん
karlcool12
Being X will make sure she become Job who believes in it.
Being Xは彼女を自分を信じるヨブにするつもりだね。普通くん
AegisWolf78
Very possible, clearly [speculation] the assassination masked as escort mission will turn into an aerial battle between Tanya's and Mary's platoon, with Rudendorf's plane taken down by a stray bullet.
ありえる…!護衛任務に見せかけた暗殺が、ターニャとメアリー小隊の空中戦になって、ルーデンドルフの機体が流れ弾で撃墜されるやつ…!しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
shad79
Not to mention that the Federation mages will surely join the fray as well. Next week Tanya will have a hell of a battle to fight for sure. Besides, I don't think you need to use a spoiler tag for your speculations. Judging by today's episode , it's pretty obvious that this is exactly what's going to happen.
連邦の魔導士も参戦するのは間違いない。来週のターニャは確実に激戦になる。そもそも君の推測にネタバレタグは不要だと思う。今日の話を見れば、まさにそうなることは明白だ。考察くん
raknor88
Not to mention that the Federation mages will surely join the fray as well. Also, if I'm understanding the hidden message to the not-Russian mages, the not-Russian mages will be attacking the not-UKs bombers/and or mages as well.
連邦の魔導士も確実に参戦するだろうね。あと、あのnotロシア魔導士への隠しメッセージが正しければ、彼らはnot英国の爆撃機や魔導士も攻撃するはずだ。普通くん
NagataLockII
THIS is exactly what I think is going to occur.
まさにこれが起きると思うんだよなwwwwおじ
Explosivesausagejar
Pretty funny that Mary hasn’t done much this season, she’s been walking around being naive and getting played for a fool. You’d think she’d have had at least one scene by now where she wins a seemingly impossible battle just to show that only Tanya can match her.
メアリー今シーズンほんと空気やんwww ずっと素直に歩き回って騙されとるだけやんけ。そろそろ「ターニャにしか勝てん」って見せつける不可能バトル勝利シーンあってもええやろ。2ちゃん
fer_sure
Maybe Mary's not all that powerful when not fueled by homicidal rage? It'd be interesting to see her act as a good soldier, obeying orders and staying in formation for a change.
メアリーって殺意に燃えてないとそこまで強くないのかも?命令に従って隊列を守る良い兵士として行動する姿、見てみたいな…!感情くん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
Zettour's face when strategic HQ randomly blames the Unified States for Rudersdorf's death, and they ask him to personally lead attacks on Washingpong and New-Pork
ゼートゥーアの顔よ、統合参謀本部がルーダースドルフの死を勝手に合衆国のせいにして、ワシントンポンとニューポークへの攻撃を指揮しろって言い出すときの普通くん
towardselysium
Its fine they haven't declared was on Australia yet so there's still more room to escalate
まだオーストラリアに宣戦布告してないから、まだエスカレートの余地あるじゃん!やばくね?ギャル
SnabDedraterEdave
原文
Zettour: Ruddersdorf has gone insane. I need you to take him out. Tanya: Why take just him out when we can frame him and then take out the entire Imperial Command while at it? Holy fucking cow Tanya. Raising the stakes even more dangerously just so she could have a cozy retirement. Not if Entity X has anything to say about it. At the same time, the Allied spy ULTRA has also secretly arranged for the Not-UK squadron to use a shuttle bombing operation across Imperial airspace in order to assassinate a "high-ranking Imperial official". Could Zettour be ULTRA after all? And he's just hiring Tanya as insurance to make sure Ruddersdorf is properly assassinated in case the Not-UK and Not-Soviet units, as well as the Allied Volunteer mage unit (i.e. Mary's unit) fail? Cue Entity X to make things screw up very badly for all parties involved. Especially when Mary and Tanya cross paths again.
ゼットゥール「ルーダースドルフは狂った。始末してくれ」ターニャ「彼だけ?なら彼に罪を着せて帝国軍中枢ごと一掃しましょう」マジかターニャ。安泰な退役のために危険度上げすぎ。だが存在Xが黙っちゃいない。同時に連合のスパイULTRAも極秘に、帝国高官暗殺のため shuttle bombing を手配。ゼットゥールがULTRAなのか?保険としてターニャを雇った?失敗時のために。存在Xが全員を地獄に叩き落とす。メアリーとターニャが再会する時、特に。普通くん
Simdao
My guess is that ULTRA is actually Rerugen, he seems quite disillusioned and has access to the information.
ULTRAの正体はレルゲンだとワイは睨んどる。あいつ結構幻滅しとるし情報にもアクセスできる立場やからな。2ちゃん
boroughthoughts
原文
Ultra isn't a person. Its not UK Intelligence and them having decrypted not-german communications, based on what happened in World War II: ). Essentially the empires communications have been compromised. " British military intelligence in June 1941 for wartime signals intelligence obtained by breaking high-level encrypted enemy radio and teleprinter communications at the Government Code and Cypher School (GC&CS) at Bletchley Park . \ 1]) #cite_note-FOOTNOTEHinsleyStripp1993xx-1) Ultra eventually became the standard designation among the western Allies for all such intelligence. The name arose because the intelligence obtained was considered more important than that designated by the highest British security classification then used ( Most Secret ) and so was regarded as being Ultra Secret . \ ) #cite_note-FOOTNOTELewin200164-2) "
ウルトラは人物じゃないんだよな。UK情報部が独語じゃない通信を解読したって話で、第二次大戦の経緯を踏まえると考察できる。つまり帝国の通信は傍受されてるってこと。「1941年6月、英国軍情報部はブレッチリーパークのGC&CSで敵の高レベル暗号通信を解読し戦時信号情報を入手。Ultraはやがて西側連合国でそうした情報全般の標準呼称となった。最上位機密『Most Secret』より重要とされ『Ultra Secret』と呼ばれたのが由来」というわけだ。考察くん
Allian42
Wish they had called it something else in-universe. Anyone that knows Turing's story clocked it the second the name "ultra" was out.
「ウルトラ」って名前が出た瞬間、ターニングの話知ってる人はみんな気づいたよね…なんで作中で別の名前にしなかったの!?そこだけ惜しすぎる…!感情くん
Dinoboy6430
Anime only watcher, but that wouldn't make much sense as the last mission we've seen from ULTRA was them trying to assassinate Zettour.
アニメ勢だけど、ULTRAの最後の任務がZettour暗殺だったことを考えると、それはあまり筋が通らないと思う。普通くん
SnabDedraterEdave
Maybe he's deliberately risking his life to make himself an easy Allied target in order to better conceal his cover and make the Empire less suspicious of him, though it also comes at the risk of just getting killed and failing his mission as a spy of course. But you are right, its more possible its someone still in the capital, like Rerugen, or some other guy completely.
わざと命張って連合の標的にされて、正体バレないように帝国の疑い晴らそうとしてるんかもな。まあ死んだらスパイ任務失敗やけどな。でもお前の言う通り、首都におる誰か、例えばRerugenとか、全然別の奴の可能性の方が高いわ。2ちゃん
Kill-bray
Is a high rank officer the only possibility? Couldn't it be one of Tanya's subordinates?
高位将校しかありえないとかまじ?ターニャの部下の可能性もあるんじゃね?ギャル
SnabDedraterEdave
Drake specifically said "high ranking", i.e. enough to influence how the war turns out. How would killing one of Tanya's lieutenants achieve that objective?
ドレイクは「高官」、つまり戦局を左右するほどって言ってるんだよな。ターニャの副官を一人殺してそれが達成できるのか?感情くん
Kill-bray
I meant the spy, not the target of the assassination.
暗殺対象じゃなくてスパイのことだよ。普通くん
BatteryPoweredFriend
The spy has been leaking info that Tanya's men wouldn't have access to.
スパイがターニャの部下には入手できない情報を漏らしてたんだよな…しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
Kill-bray
Which one specifically? As far as I recall the information leaked only involved the whereabouts of Zettour and Ruddersdorf, and coincidentally in both cases that info only came about once they went to the camp where Tanya is stationed.
どれのこと?記憶では、漏れた情報はZettourとRuddersdorfの居場所だけで、偶然どちらもターニャのいる基地に行った時に出た情報だよ。普通くん
Persistentnotstable
I'm pretty sure this is just good old fashioned code breaking that not-britain wants to keep absolutely secret so they claim it's a high ranking agent. See the enigma machine for reference
たぶんこれただの古典的な暗号解読を、イギリスもどきが極秘にしたいから「高官エージェント」って言い張ってるだけやろ。エニグマ暗号機見れば分かるわ2ちゃん
Kill-bray
Yeah I guess that's a possibility too.
確かにそれもありえるかもね。普通くん
boroughthoughts
Ultra isn't a person. Its refers to intelligence that was derived from decrypting the empires encrypted communications. I linked it in the comment above, but its based on actual history from World War II. The british actually used the term Ultra. Essentially the empires communications are compromised and they don't know it.
ウルトラは人やないで。帝国の暗号通信を解読して得た情報のことや。第二次大戦の実話が元ネタで、イギリスが実際にウルトラって呼んどったんや。つまり帝国の通信は筒抜けやのに気づいてへんってわけ。2ちゃん
randomkidlol
the name ULTRA is a huge hint to the identity of this spy for anyone brushed up on WW2 history.
ULTRAって名前は、WW2の歴史に詳しい人ならこのスパイの正体への大きなヒントだね。普通くん
Gryse_Blacolar
Yeah, everyone is believing it is a person when it is more likely a machine that's decrypting the Empire's communications.
てかみんな人の仕業だと思ってるけど、帝国の通信解読してんのたぶん機械じゃん?やばくねギャル
Ellefied
If it is the encryption I hope they introduce the main decryptor in this timeline as well. A cameo from an Alan Turing-expy would be greatly appreciated considering how enigmatic they were for decades before the knowledge was public.
もし暗号化の話なら、この世界線でも主要な解読者を出してほしい。アラン・チューリング的存在のカメオ出演は大歓迎だね。何十年も謎に包まれてたんだから。普通くん
SnabDedraterEdave
I already know what ULTRA is.
てかULTRAが何かはもう知ってるし!ギャル
Ralathar44
原文
Funny you mention Being X. Why do you think Rudersdorf is so unhinged? They keep showing the nutcracker lately. Pretty sure they're saying Being X is messing with people's dreams to prevent the end of the war just like he did with the Ruskies. Tanya's basically just taking the only real chance any of them have to survive this. In his unhinged state his refusal to just take the L on a fight even he admits is hopelessly lost he's basically sentencing them all to death.
Being Xの話が出るとは。Rudersdorfがあそこまで狂ってるのは何故か。最近くるみ割り人形が頻繁に映るのは、Being Xがロシア人にしたように人々の夢を弄んで戦争終結を妨げているという考察ができる。Tanyaは生き残る唯一の道を選んでるだけ。絶望的と自認する戦いに固執するRudersdorfは全員を死に追いやってるんだよな。考察くん
SnabDedraterEdave
I did not say I think Rudersdorf is so unhinged. I said Zettour thinks Rudersforf is so unhinged.
そんなこと言ってない!ルーデルスドルフがヤバいって思ってるのはツェットールの方だって言ったんだよ!感情くん
5kyGuardian
Rudersdorf had a figurine of an angel in his room at the beginning of an episode, so it's possible Being X is manipulating him.
ルーデルドルフの部屋に天使のフィギュアあったよな、だからビーイングXが操ってる可能性あるわ2ちゃん
Greg_The_Rabbit
My super long shot prediction is that somehow everything goes to shit and both Zettour and Ruddersdorf end up dead and Tanya ends up in charge of the military. A true "Mission failed successfully" just to make sure she absolutely cannot run away and hide in another nation.
超長期的な予想だけど、なんか全部めちゃくちゃになって、ZettourとRuddersdorfが死んで、Tanyaが軍のトップに収まる気がする。「失敗したけど成功」状態で、彼女が絶対に他国に逃げ隠れできないようにするためだね。普通くん
SnabDedraterEdave
That would be so hilarious.
それまじで爆笑なんだけど!ギャル
Jghil098
But being x probably wants tanya in the front l8ne tho
でも、ビーイングXはたぶんターニャを前線に置きたがってるんだよな普通くん
Hot-Log6283
What if ULTRA was actually Entity X all along.
もしULTRAが実は最初からEntity Xだったとしたら、草2ちゃん
genasugelan
Yeah, I already suspected him to be the spy for some time. It seems like it's soft-confirmed now since I don't think many people knew of the flight.
それな!前からスパイじゃないかって疑ってたんだよね。飛行のことはほとんど誰も知らなかったはずだから、これでほぼ確定っぽい…!感情くん
chirb8
I don't think that would be a smart move from Zettour if he was ULTRA. There would be a bigger risk of Tanya being the one who stops whatever her enemies are plotting. And by doing so, engaging in a fight with them, she could miss the chance to kill Ruddersdorf too
ゼットゥアがULTRAだとしたら賢い動きとは思えない。ターニャが敵の企みを阻止する側になるリスクが高まる。そうなれば戦闘になり、ルーダースドルフを殺す機会を逃す可能性もある。考察くん
Bright-Television147
tanya and general smiling warms my heart
ターニャと将軍が笑ってるの、心が温まる〜!優勝すぎるッ!感情くん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
Nice to have some wholesome moments to lighten up this heavy show!
いいよね〜こういうほっこりシーンがあると、重い話も救われるじゃん!てかこのアニメまじで心にくるわ〜ギャル
Global_Rin
Just two men having a pleasant chat about murder, and toppling a regime under the thunderstorm.
雷雨の中で殺人と政権転覆について楽しく語り合う男が二人ってだけさ。普通くん