#11スノウボールアース
放送 2026-06-12更新 2026-07-27
Hartzilla2007
The way Nadare bent her neck was extremely creepy. In the opening sequence, Nadare was shown right before the Smiling Kaiju. Furthermore, her master plan to sabotage the intergalactic spaceship soon coincided with the Smiling Kaiju freezing Earth. I believe most of us now suspect Nadare and the Smiling Kaiju have a contract with each other, don't we? She’s probably Kaiju that can take human form.
ナダレが首を曲げる動作、あれはかなり不気味だったな。オープニングでスマイルカイジュウの直前にナダレが映っていた点も伏線だと思われる。さらに、銀河間宇宙船を妨害する彼女の計画とスマイルカイジュウによる地球凍結のタイミングが一致している。おそらく多くの視聴者がナダレとスマイルカイジュウの間には契約関係があると疑っているはずだ。彼女は人間の姿を取れるカイジュウなのではないかという考察ができる。考察くん
reaperow
Oh yeah she is next to the snow kaiju in the OP, maybe she can fully transform into one rather than controlling them like VIERDE
あーOPで雪怪獣の隣にいたあの娘か
完全変身できるタイプなんかな
VIERDEみたいに操るだけじゃなくて
ワイはこっちの方が好みやわ2ちゃん
Frontier246
原文
His parents were terrible but that's no excuse for all the crimes he and Nadare committed, especially for the sake of nothing more than his ego. Like, anyone who would go along with a plan to sabotage humanity's best chance at stopping Kaiju doesn't deserve to be a Savior, even if Tetsuo hates being a Savior. Lesson of the episode: "Don't listen to hot/creepy female researches when they convince you to become corrupt."
彼の両親が酷かったのは確かだが、それでナダレと共に犯した数々の犯罪を正当化できるわけではない。特に、単なる自己満足のために人類が怪獣を止める最大のチャンスを台無しにする計画に加担した者は、例えテツオが救世主であることを嫌っていても、救世主に値しない。このエピソードの教訓:「魅力的で不気味な女性研究者に唆されて堕落してはいけない」という考察ができるな。考察くん
reaperow
Nadare is totally creepy, why do I get the feeling she's not human What's her goal in all this, could she be responsible for the Snowball Earth? She does get displayed next to the snow kaiju in the Opening.
確かにナダレはめっちゃ不気味だよね。なんか人間じゃない気がする。彼女の目的って何なんだろう?まさかスノウボールアースの原因なのか?OPで雪の怪獣の隣に映ってたしな。普通くん
DugACCat
So tired of this guy and his backstory. Story, you know what doesn’t work when aspiring the become a “savior?” How about the mass murder of people causing the downfall of Earth and then continuing to try to kill the few survivors? Please just stop whining and go away. (Looks like we have to put up with more next time too. Sigh.)
この野郎の過去話マジで飽きたわ。ストーリー的にさ、「救世主」目指すのに何がダメか分かる?地球を滅ぼす原因になった大量殺戮をやらかして、しかも生き残った連中まで殺そうとしてる時点でもうアウトやろ。いい加減グチグチ言うのやめて消えろや。(次回もこいつ出るっぽいしな…はあ)2ちゃん
LocaIBadAss
原文
I actually thought his character was hilarious, though I didn't like him in a serious capacity because he's an ass, I figured he would end up joining the team, but after last episode's revelations he just needs to die, and the fact that Tetsuo still offered the proverbial olive branch is such an effing joke, and was just a horrible decision from a writing standpoint, or any view for that matter. The last episode ruined the entire series for me, I was enjoying it and now I don't want to watch it, even if "what's his face" gets killed off next episode after his crybaby backstory instead of joining up, it's Tetsuo's unforgivable decision that urks me. Tetsuo no longer deserves to be the protagonist, F that dingus!
あのキャラ、正直笑っちゃうくらいには面白かったんだよね。シリアスな場面では嫌な奴すぎて好きじゃなかったけど、最終的にはチームに加わると思ってた。でも前回の展開見て、もうあいつは死ぬべきだと思ったよ。しかも鉄雄がまだ和解の手を差し伸べるとか、マジで笑っちゃうだろ。脚本的にも、どんな視点から見てもひどい決断だわ。前回の話でシリーズ全体が台無しになったよ。最初は楽しんでたのに、今はもう見たくない。たとえ次回であの名前忘れた奴が泣き言の過去話の後に加入せずに殺されても、鉄雄の許せない決断が気に食わないんだ。鉄雄はもう主人公にふさわしくないわ、マジでバカじゃねーの!普通くん
Mike_palanskey
原文
This is deeply rooted in Japanese culture, brother. There’s a lot of animes that have this kind of forgiveness in order to restore balance and to stop this cycle of blah blah, blah blah blah blah. Honestly, this anime is 100% dropped. I’m giving it three stars. The animation is bad ass. The main female protagonist is bad ass, but I don’t wanna see another crybaby main character with crybaby antagonist who are just an attempt at Thanos.
まあ日本文化の影響だな。確かに「許し」で均衡を取り戻す系のアニメは多い。正直言って、この作品は切った。評価は星3だ。アニメーションはカッコいいし、メメもいいキャラしてる。でも泣き虫主人公と、サノスのパクリみたいな敵役はもういいや。ドライおじ
agrael50
for real i was all the episode waiting to someone else appears and shot that mf in the face like he has a montage to make you undertand that he is irremediable
まじでずっと誰かが出てきてあのクソ野郎の顔面ぶち抜くの待ってたんだけど!?あいつがもう救いようないってわからせるためのモンタージュみたいなもんだったしな笑ギャル
Megidolaon10
On top of that, Nadare means avalanche in Japanese.
まあ「ナダレ」が雪崩って名前なのも、そういうもんだよな。ドライおじ
NonSupportiveCup
Oh no! Tragic backstory eyeroll No thanks. Psychopath made psychopathic decisions. That's all. I was tired of Sagami 5 episodes ago. This is extra painful considering how much I enjoyed ep 10. At the least, Tetsuo got a healthy vent out.
相模には5話前から飽きてたんだよね。今回の第10話は結構楽しめただけに、このバックストーリーは余計に辛いわ。最低でも鉄雄がちゃんと発散できたのは良かったけど。普通くん
NeoTagAtg
原文
In that vent was I the only one that relaize this dude was on a space ship for two years that was almost all women who wanted to bang him. His entire complaint about being "the savior" is solely because he's a Shinji. Anyone else likely would of been getting laid every day enjoying the finest food and living their best life. He was more conserned about internet trolls then the women next to him who wanted that D.
あの通気口のシーン、気づいたのは俺だけか?あの男(アダム)は2年間、ほぼ全員が彼と寝たがってる女性ばかりの宇宙船にいたんだぜ。「救世主」云々の愚痴は完全にシンジくん気質のせいだろ。普通の奴なら毎日ヤリまくって最高の飯食って人生謳歌してたはず。彼は隣にいる股を開いてる女性たちよりも、ネットの荒らしの方が気になってたって考察ができるな。考察くん
NonSupportiveCup
It certainly caught my eye and gave me a laugh. Bro had opportunity for two years!
確かに気になったし笑ったわ。2年もチャンスあったのにね!普通くん
NuGridman
Getting laid? Please, he could have had time to make friends and join a club (board games, movies, books, etc.) on board the ship, as he always wanted.
草ァ!確かに彼には友達作る時間とか、ずっと憧れてたボードゲーム部とか映画部とか入る時間あったんちゃうんか?ガチで船内で青春謳歌できたやろなwww2ちゃん
Haganeren
I feel like even Sagami doesn't think about being BANGED as much as you.
相模よりもお前の方が「やられること」考えてる気がするわ普通くん
NeoTagAtg
I means fair but it's not really even about the sex the guys only complaint about being the savior is that he's an insufferable Incel. IF he was in anyway not that then his complaints kind of fall apart.
せやな、公平な意見ではあるけど別にセックスの話だけじゃないわ。あの男が救世主について不満言うのって、要するに自分がガチのインセルだからやろ。もしそうじゃなかったら、彼の愚痴も崩れるわ。2ちゃん
mmcjawa_reborn
This conflict got dragged on way way way to long (and the preview makes it look like its going to keep dragging..)
マジでこの戦闘長すぎじゃね!?しかも次回予告見る限りまだ続きそうなんだけど笑 はよ終わってくれ〜ギャル
NonSupportiveCup
Truth. Saw that guy still alive in the preview and groaned.
確かに。次回予告で奴がまだ生きておると見て、思わず呻き声が漏れたでござる。武士
solidpeyo
Agree
せやな2ちゃん
darthvall
Do you mean tragic backstory with an accidental eye stab by the end?
やばくね!?まさか最後に目を刺されるっていう悲しい過去があるってこと!?それマジで衝撃なんだけど!!ギャル
Haganeren
I don't think it's a tragic story as much as a presentation of a new villain
ふむ…悲劇というよりは、新たな敵役の登場を描いた物語であるな。某(それがし)もそう感じるでござる。武士
NonSupportiveCup
The episode sucked so much it has given you memory loss of the pointless terrible childhood scenes.
このエピソードマジでクソすぎて、無駄な子供時代のシーンを思い出せなくなるレベルだわ。普通くん
Haganeren
No no i remember them. But the point is still to show that this guy is mediocre, couldn't bear it and was manipulated by " a thing " which is more formidable than he is; I saw this episode as an humiliation for Sagami, clearly.
いや、俺もあの連中は覚えてるよ。でも重要なのは、こいつが凡庸で、耐えられず、自分よりはるかに強大な「何か」に操られてたってことを描いてる点だ。このエピソードは明らかに相模への屈辱として見たな。制作陣が意図的に彼の無力さを強調した構成になってると考察できる。考察くん
Sagaap
Thank you, I thought I was the only one that saw the episode this way. The story is not a way to reedem Sagami. Even Tetsuo, after hearing all Sagami is saying, throws at him: "but even so a saviour is somebody who kill the kaiju, not other people", denying him of a redemption because his backstory.
ありがとう、そう思ってたのは自分だけかと思ってた。このエピソードの見方、確かにそうだよね。話は相模を更生させるためのものじゃない。鉄雄も相模の話を全部聞いた後で「それでも救世主ってのは怪獣を殺す人であって、人を殺す人じゃない」って言い返して、過去の事情があっても救済を否定してるんだよな。普通くん
Haganeren
And then he say "be a savior now" which, for me, make his whole life meaningless. Granted i don't know how episode 12 will work out but i don't think it will be taken happily.
確かに「今こそ救世主になれ」ってセリフ、アダムの人生全部を無意味にしてる気がする…。まだ12話がどうなるかは知らんけど、絶対ハッピーエンドじゃないと思う。しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
Sagaap
Exactly. The title of saviour is such a meaningless and childish concept that only a person like Sagami would care about. Holding a name doesn't make you any different, but what you do in your life.
まじそれ!「救世主」とかいう称号、ほんと意味わかんないし子供っぽいよね〜笑 相模みたいな奴しか気にしないじゃん?名前なんかじゃなくて、何をするかが大事ってことよ!ギャル
Qweasd11
They dropped this evil " woman " Nadare on us and MAL says this show is 13 episodes, I don't see how this will wrap things up with only 2 episodes left. Can only hope for a season 2. I'm really into this setting and would like to see more Ao.
「ナダレ」という悪辣な“女”をぶち込んできた上に、MALの情報だと全13話らしい。残り2話でどう決着をつけるつもりなのか全く見えない。シーズン2に期待するしかないな。この世界観にはかなり引き込まれてるし、もっとアオを見たいというのが本音だ。考察くん
Frontier246
Also the next episode preview looks like it has another white-haired Kaiju tamer...though the way Nadare's neck was moving, there's no way she's human.
まじで次回予告やばくね!?また白髪の怪獣使いっぽい子が出てきそうじゃん…でもナダレの首の動き方、人間じゃないでしょあれ笑ギャル
mmcjawa_reborn
I think that was the medic character...she was the one taking care of all of the downed child soldiers
あの医療班のキャラだと思う…倒れた子供兵士たちの世話をしてた人だよね。しんどすぎる…ッ!感情くん
Silent-Witness1888
With the pace it should've been 24 episodes.
確かに、このペースなら24話で良かったんじゃないかと思う。普通くん
mmcjawa_reborn
I kind of expect this is one of those "two courses, but we are going to call the second course season 2 and announce it after the first half finishes up"
やばくね!?これって「2クールだけど後半をシーズン2って呼んで前半終わった後に発表する」パターンじゃん!まじでそれっぽいわ〜笑ギャル
ProfessionalRandom21
i mean the manga is ongoing, so 2 cour or 1 is ultimately the same if they cant finish the story
確かに原作の漫画は連載中だし、2クールでも1クールでも結局完結できないなら同じだよね普通くん
NuGridman
The first episode deserves to have its own season, given the Lore Dump we are getting so far.
初回のエピソードだけで、すでに我々に降り注ぐ叡智の奔流たるロアダンプ……あれだけで独立した一つの季節を築くに値するのだ。中二病
darthvall
Same, I really hope for a season 2! However even the reception here is just lukewarm.
それな、ワイも第2期マジで待ってるンゴ!でもここの反応もなんかイマイチやんな…2ちゃん
LetsDoThatShit
Last episode: "But it had all just been a dream and kaiju had never existed. Tetsuo became a ramen cart vendor and Sagami won the award for being the happiest and most honest person in Japan."
いや最後の展開は草。「全部夢だった」で怪獣消えて、鉄男がラーメン屋台始めて、相模が日本一幸せで正直な人に選ばれるって……普通くん
Sagaap
With the manga ongoing, I doubt it.
確かにマンガが連載中ならそうなるよな…でも続編見たい気持ちはあるッ!感情くん
LetsDoThatShit
I was obviously joking...
冗談だったんだけどな……普通くん
Sagaap
I know it was an hyperbole, your example was silly and funny. I was referring more to the fact that they will not give an ending yet if the series is still ongoing.
いやワイも誇張ってわかってるでw お前の例え草生えたわwww
でも連載中ならまだ終わらせへんやろって話やンゴね。2ちゃん
Mike_palanskey
Legit the only redeeming thing of this entire anime is the female protagonist Ao is one of those strong female characters that I can really get behind. I wish the show was mostly sent around her and not these other losers.
正直、このアニメで唯一評価できるのは主人公のメメだな。彼女みたいな強い女性キャラは応援したくなる。他のダメキャラじゃなくて、もっとメメ中心の話が見たかったよ。普通くん
reaperow
I dont want this to end, im really liking it and I desperately hope we get a season 2
終わってほしくないッ!めっちゃ好きすぎる、シーズン2絶対きてくれ…頼む…!感情くん
RandomPantsAppear
Man. I’m really hating how unlikely a season 2 feels.
うーん、シーズン2がなさそうな感じがして辛いな。普通くん
Dense_Shopping_9320
Goddamn the ending song for this anime is so good and hype. Like wow i dont think i have skipped it once. The beat always starts at the right moment
エンディング曲ガチで良すぎて草
ワイ一度もスキップしたことないわ
ビートが毎回完璧なタイミングで入るンゴwww2ちゃん
Frontier246
This and Ramparts of Ice have some of the best ED lead-ins this season.
確かに「氷の砦」と並んで今期のED入りはヤバいよなw どっちも引き込まれるわ笑wwwおじ
HolyDragSwd2500
“You can be the Savior “ Ending song starts 🎵🎶
「You can be the Savior」のエンディング曲きたぁああ!🎵🎶 やばくね!?めっちゃテンション上がるんだけど笑ギャル
Frontier246
Sagami's face as his mind cracks even more just really sold it.
相模の顔がさらに壊れていく感じ、めっちゃ伝わってきたわ。普通くん
Shantotto11
Notice how the box next to the title wasn’t checked off.
やばくね!?タイトルの横のチェックボックス、まだチェック入ってなかったじゃん!まじで気になるんだけど笑ギャル
todd-ashi
I almost never skip any OP or ED
OPとEDはほぼ飛ばしたことないンゴねぇ2ちゃん
Shantotto11
Same. The OP/ED has to be straight cheeks to toilet for me to skip.
確かに。俺もOP/EDはよっぽどひどくない限りは飛ばさない派だな。普通くん
KumaKumaGambler
At the start of this episode, the ending scene from the previous episode was briefly replayed. Tetsuo and Yukio did their special move. However, it didn't feel the same without the ending theme song starting to play.
冒頭で前回のラストシーンちょっと流したのはいいけど、鉄雄と雪男の必殺技シーンでED曲流れなかったのはなんか物足りんかったンゴwww2ちゃん
darthvall
The lyric is also good!
歌詞もいいよね!普通くん
KumaKumaGambler
Matches the theme of the show!
作品のテーマに合ってるよなwwwwおじ
FuckinJunkie
Reminds me of the perfectness of link click ed 1.
リンククリックのED1の完璧さを思い出させるな……あれもエモすぎたッ!感情くん
crackalakaling
Just kill Sagami already. Tired of seeing his face and back story.
もう佐上殺せよ。あいつの顔と過去編見飽きたんだわ。普通くん
Ashteron
I feel like focusing the story on the kaijuu would have been more interesting than climbing to higher echelons of evil people.
確かに!怪獣にフォーカスした方が絶対おもしろかったじゃん?上層部の悪人たちと戦うよりそっちの方がやばくね?笑ギャル
inaripotpi
They kind of already ruined the kaijuu too, that last one that talked was cartoonish af
マジで怪獣も台無しにされたよな…最後に喋ったやつ、アニメっぽすぎて無理だったッ!感情くん
ObvsThrowaway5120
Pathetic. This little hoe actively sabotaged humanity’s best chance to defeat the kaiju all because he wanted to be the hero. Straight up childish bullshit. I wanted Tetsuo to slap the fuck outta him for everything he did. For all the lives lost. Communicate with his fists ya know? lol.
この主人公の行動、正直考察するまでもなくクソだな。自分のヒーロー願望のために人類が怪獣に勝つ最善のチャンスを自ら潰したわけだ。完全に幼稚なクソムーブ。テツオが拳で語る形でぶん殴ってくれて然るべきだったろうな。失われた命の重みを考えれば、それくらいの報いは必要だと思う。考察くん
OldInstruction5368
原文
It's one thing for Tetsuo to make the attempt to understand/reconcile with Sagami. That is in character for him. But just like last time, when Tetsuo got hit with the full force of Sagami's hatred, it should have backfired again. As soon as MC-kun learned that his mission failed and all his crewmates were eaten alive by space-monsters because of this man's spite, Sagami should have been finished off. Some people you just can't make peace with. They refuse every attempt to negotiate in good faith. They have done atrocious things for petty reasons. They can't be forgiven, nor do they want it in the first place. They are just broken. And should be tossed aside.
哲也が相模と和解しようとするのはキャラ的に分かるンゴ。でも前回と同じで、相模の憎悪をモロに食らった時点で逆効果になるべきやろ。主人公が自分のミッション失敗でクルー全員が宇宙怪獣に食い殺されたって知った瞬間、相模はもう終わらせるべきやったんや。どうしても和解できない人間っているんやで。誠実な交渉を全部拒否するし、些細な理由でとんでもない事やらかす。そんな奴は許されへんし、そもそも許しを求めてすらいない。ただ壊れてるだけや。切り捨てるべきやわ。2ちゃん
Beowolf_0
原文
Seems like people dislike disclosing more of Sagami's past, making it like whitewashing him. On the contrary, these made him even more pathetic (albeit a small bit of miserable) than he should be: he helped that Nadare to kill off his superiors, up to (almost) killing off humanity's last hope, all out of his jealousy; and even after he realized what had he actually done, he made no amends to his ways but just to live on with force, granting him zero redemption quality. He's such a sharp contrast to Tetsuo, who actually lists out "why it sucks to be The Saviour" and yet he still takes on the job, and his hesitation to hit Sagami even hearing he's related to his defeat (and loss of life) in space, Hell, he even says Sagami can take his title if he wanted, showing that deep down why Tetsuo is the hero everyone loves while Sagami isn't. I guess the two will go on separate ways next episode anyway, but at least Tetsuo needs to know there's someone behind the strings first.
相模の過去を掘り下げるのはホワイトウォッシュだって意見もあるけど、むしろ彼がもっと哀れに見えたよ。妬みから那駄を助けて上官を殺し、人類最後の希望をほぼ潰しかけたのに、事実に気づいても改心せず力で生き続けるだけ。救いようがないな。一方の鉄雄は「救世主ってめんどくさい」と語りつつも責任を引き受け、相模が自分の敗北に関係してると知っても殴るのをためらい、「称号を譲ってもいい」と言う。これが英雄とそうでない者の差だよ。次回は二人が別れるだろうけど、まずは黒幕の存在を鉄雄に知らせる必要があるな。普通くん
ParasaurolophusZ
I agree that it makes Sagami seem even more pathetic. I just didn't want another most-of-an-episode dedicated to his backstory again. He had an awful childhood, but all the actions he took as an adult were 100% his. Even if Nadare is most likely not human and was just tricking and using him, he still chose to sacrifice almost all of humanity for his own ego. There was almost no hesitation, either.
せやな、それで相模がさらに情けなく見えるのは同意や。でもワイはもう1話丸々使って過去掘り下げるのは勘弁やったわ。幼少期はクソやったかもしれんが、大人になってからの行動は100%本人の責任やろ。ナダレが人間じゃなくて利用されてたとしても、自分のエゴで人類ほぼ全員犠牲にしたのは変わらん。しかも躊躇ゼロやったしな。2ちゃん
NeoTagAtg
原文
It's more like we don't care and already assumed he was behind everything this could of been 5 minute have him confess to sabotaging the ship then get smacked for it. We didn't need the new evil science lady who likely a kaiju at all. The stakes don't need to grow or increase the earth is covered in meters of ice. 99% of the people are likely dead. The moment we got humanoid kaiju who can seemingly think and killed 99% of humanity the story was built enough for 12-13 epsiode.
もうアダムが黒幕ってみんな察してたし興味すらなかったよ。船を破壊したって自白させてからぶん殴るだけで5分で済んだ話。新登場の怪人っぽい科学者女なんて全く必要なかった。地球が何メートルもの氷に覆われてて、人口の99%は死んでる時点で、もう十分な危機感は成立してるんだよ。人型で思考力を持つ怪人が現れて人類の99%を殺したって設定だけで、12〜13話の話は十分成り立ってたんだ。普通くん
reaperow
Yeah its not like he has been forgiven for what he has done but u can sympathize and understand why Maybe this is a chance to redeem himself
まあアイツのやったことは許されたわけじゃないけど、気持ちはわからんでもないンゴねぇ… これがチャンスってやつかもなw2ちゃん
OldInstruction5368
原文
No, as a matter of fact, I cannot sympathize with a man that would crash an entire plane full of innocent people just to kill one target. That's bad enough. But that this sin was committed just to gain a promotion is truly damning. Maybe, just maybe, if the superior officer was corrupt/incompetent and was deliberately holding back a solution that could save humanity... That still wouldn't excuse the other innocents killed alongside him. Sagami is evil. A parastic and completley irredeemable fiend that deserves nothing but death. It sucks that he had horrible parents. It's commendable that he was humanity's first "Savior" before Tetsuo stepped up, but the rest... Evil.
いや、正直言って、標的一人を殺すために乗客乗員全員が乗った飛行機を墜落させる奴に共感なんてできないよ。それだけでも十分ヤバいのに、昇進のためにそんな罪を犯したってのが本当に許せない。もし上官が腐敗してたり無能で、人類を救える手段をわざと隠してたって事情があったとしても…それでも他の無実の人々を巻き添えにしたことは正当化できない。相模は悪だよ。寄生してるだけでまったく救いようのないクズで、死あるのみ。親が最悪だったのは気の毒だし、テツオが台頭する前に人類初の"救世主"だったのは評価できるけど、それ以外は…完全に悪だね。普通くん
Shantotto11
Right?! Like I empathize with that nagging feeling of inferiority and mediocrity to the point that I could see myself hating people who make ascending the “ladder” look like a cakewalk. But, I draw the line well before blackmail and murder.
せやな…あの「自分は凡人で劣ってる」って感覚はめっちゃわかるンゴ。ラクラクと階段昇っていく奴見ると腹立つ気持ちも理解できるわ。でも恐喝と殺人はさすがに線引きするやろwww 草2ちゃん
Shantotto11
My favorite detail of the episode is the ending title card. The box next to “I Want to Be the Savior” wasn’t checked off like the rest of the episode titles because Tetsuo never wanted to be the savior.
1話の「救世主になりたい」のタイトルカード、チェックボックスが空欄だったの気づいた?あれ、哲雄が本当は救世主になりたくなかったって伏線だったんだよな。制作陣の細かい演出が光る。考察くん
inaripotpi
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My god, as if he wasn't pathetic enough already, they literally got him crying for his mama and papa after being called a man at the peak of his life and being an oldhead beefing with someone way younger than him, lol. Writing's really shooting itself in the foot here making a bum like him having a direct hand in the main catalyst for the whole story that killed billions of people, not to mention Tetsuo wasting his worst exercise of talk-no-jutsu on him.
草も生えんわwww
もう十分情けなかったのに、ピーク迎えたオッサンが年下と喧嘩してママパパ呼び泣きとかガチでダサすぎやろ。
脚本も自爆してるやん、こんなクズが数十億人殺した事件の元凶に直接関わってるとか。
鉄雄の説得の無駄遣いにも草。2ちゃん
Sagaap
The point is, for much satisfactory that might seems in that moment, beating the crap out of an already beaten person would have accomplished nothing. Tetsuo stopping himself and willing to listen, but disagreeing with him after listening, shows a maturity that is on a different level from Sagami. When you are and actual adult, this is what you are supposed to do, so kudos to Tetsuo.
この場面で重要なのは、既に打ちのめされた相手をさらに叩きのめしても何も得られないという点だ。鉄雄が自分を止めて相手の話に耳を傾け、聞いた上で反論する姿勢は、サガミとは次元の違う成熟を示している。本当の大人ならこうあるべきだから、鉄雄に拍手を送りたい。考察くん
inaripotpi
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Those weren’t the only 2 options, lol. Detain him and talk to him in a cell or something later if that’s what you want to do. Don’t get out of your robot, get in the danger zone unarmed and have a life talk prioritizing his feelings when shit could still very much go down. He wasn’t even disagreeing with him after listening, he was appealing to him by saying he could have the title of savior. Defining a savior as “one who kills kaiju” as opposed to one who saves humans or something was also a super weird choice of words-especially considering their community has befriended a kaiju that just saved all their lives. Also, everyone is already on a level of maturity beyond Sagami by default because he’s in the negatives.
選択肢は2つだけじゃなかったはずだよ。捕まえて檻に入れて後で話し合うとかできたんじゃない?ロボットから降りて、非武装で危険地帯に入り込んで、まだ何が起きてもおかしくない状況で彼の気持ち優先の人生相談をする必要なかっただろ。話を聞いた後も彼に反対したわけじゃなくて、「救世主の称号をやる」って言ってなだめてただけだし。しかも「救世主」を「怪獣を殺す者」って定義するのは変だよな——特にコミュニティが命を救ってくれた怪獣と仲良くなってるのに。それに、サガミがマイナススタートなのは確かだけど、他のみんなはとっくに彼より成熟してると思うわ。普通くん
Sagaap
By giving away the title of"saviour" emphasizes how void the title is. Is not the name that makes you a saviour, but your actions. Do you want the title? Would that make you happy? Go for it, take it, that will change nothing of who you are. If only, Tetsuo is looking down at Sagami, and taking pity for how miserable this existence is.
「救世主」という称号を与えることで、その称号がどれほど空虚なものか強調されている。君を救世主にするのは名前ではなく、行動だ。称号が欲しいか?それで幸せになるのか?好きにすればいい、取ればいい。それが君の本質を変えることはない。強いて言うなら、テツオはサガミを見下し、この存在の哀れさに同情しているのだろうという考察ができる。考察くん
Diustavis
Im late but to hell with that noise. Dude is responsible for a lot of deaths, he needs to feel the fire
遅れたけどそんなの知ったこっちゃない!あいつはたくさんの人の命を奪ったんだぞ、ちゃんと地獄の炎を味わわせるべきだッ!感情くん
reaperow
It's more like it wasnt shown completely, now we have a full picture
確かに、最初は断片的に見えてただけって感じだよね。今回ようやく全体像が見えた感じだと思う。普通くん
BeeLegitimate4968
retcon? they just showed the whole picture
打ち切り?いや全体像見せただけやろ草2ちゃん
PrincipeDeiPoveri
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I suspected that Sagami was behind the explosion of the ship in the first episode, but I didn’t expect him to have been manipulated by an baddie alien. Honestly, I don't know what to think. On one hand, I'd like to see Sagami dead, but on the other, given his past (it bothers me to admit it, but it made me feel a bit of pity for him) and his strength, it might be better to use him to save the planet, thus also fulfilling his wish.
相模が1話の船の爆発の黒幕だとは思ってたけど、まさか悪いエイリアンに操られてたとはな。正直どう思えばいいのかわかんない。一方では相模死んでほしいと思うけど、過去を知ると(認めたくないけどちょっと同情しちゃった)強さも含めて、地球を救うために彼を使うのもありかもな。それで彼の願いも叶うし。普通くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Sagami can be the Savior and Tetsuo a normal teenager/ not savior etc
まじで相模が救世主で鉄雄は普通のティーンのままでいいって感じ?それめっちゃアリじゃない!?ギャル
Frontier246
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Honestly, I don't know what to think. On one hand, I'd like to see Sagami dead, but on the other, given his past (it bothers me to admit it, but it made me feel a bit of pity for him) and his strength, it might be better to use him to save the planet, thus also fulfilling his wish. Honestly I'd be surprised if they can do anything else with Sagami, I feel like mentally and physically he's pretty much spent and Tetsuo just casually giving him the "Savior" title like it didn't matter was just the final blow to his sanity.
正直どう評価すべきか悩むな。一方で相模の死は見たい気もするが、彼の過去を考えると(認めたくないが少し哀れに感じた)彼の強さを地球救済に活用する方が、結果的に彼の願いも叶えることになるんじゃないか。正直、相模にこれ以上の使い道があるとは思えない。精神的にも肉体的にもほとんど消耗しきってるし、鉄雄が軽く「救世主」の称号を与えたのが、彼の正気を完全に壊したように見える。考察くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Tetsuo having a real conversation with Sagami. Tetsuo gives Sagami the Savior title??!!!
草ァ!鉄雄が相模とマジ会話してるやんwww
鉄雄が相模に救世主の称号授けるってマジかよ!!??ワイの理解超えてるンゴwww2ちゃん
Frontier246
Honestly I feel like Tetsuo has been waiting to vent and give up the Savior title for years, this was just the first time he's had a chance to do it.
確かにテツオはずっと救世主の称号を手放したくてウズウズしてたんだろうね。今回が初めてのチャンスって感じだな。普通くん
reaperow
Our boy Tetsuo's really growing but giving him the Saviour? I hope he knows what he's doing
確かに鉄雄は成長してるけど救世主を与えるのは…マジで大丈夫なのかこれッ!?不安すぎるんだけど!感情くん
mekerpan
I am watching this because it is pretty much the only science fiction game in town this season, But Holy Moley -- I don't think I have ever watched a series that is so blatantly pitched almost exlusively to 11-12 year old boys.
確かにSF枠としては今期これしかないから見てるけど、こんなに露骨に11〜12歳の男子向けに作られたアニメは初めて見たわ。普通くん
psyclical
Seriously, any real person after finding out Sagami directly murdered a ship full of people that were humanity's best hope to end the war, and indirectly caused the death of billons, because that plan failed, would have instantly ended Sagami, instead of trying to power of friendship their way to redemption.
確かに、現実的な視点で見ると、相模が直接的に人々の希望を乗せた船を沈め、その結果として何十億もの死者を間接的に生み出したという事実を知った時点で、普通なら即座に相模を排除するのが合理的な判断だよな。「友情の力」で救済を目指す展開は、むしろ非現実的で、作品のテーマである変革の重みと矛盾しているという考察ができる。考察くん
mekerpan
Not hate watching, because I am just watching at this point out of morbid curiosity. But this is actually worse than almost all the shows I dropped.
別に嫌いで見てるわけじゃないよ。ただ病的な興味で見てるだけ。でも、俺が切ったほとんどのアニメより実際は酷いと思うわ。普通くん
LaoWombat-mecha
I watched this ep up until the point that Yukio had to say "really? REALLY!?" In a universe where we have sentient robots, interstellar travel, a global ice age and kaiju, Sagamis stand out as unrealistic. Sagami seems to be channeling the "Blue Meanie" From the Beatles animation.
ワイこの回観てて草生えたんやけど、ユキオの「まじかよ!マジかよ!?」のとこまで見たンゴ。自我持ったロボットとか恒星間航行とか全球凍結とか怪獣とかおる世界で、相模だけは非現実的すぎてワロタwww 相模ってビートルズのアニメに出てくる「ブルーミーニー」感あるンゴねぇ2ちゃん
psyclical
Originally I was like Sagami is too stupid to 1. Make the discovery that kaiju and humans can link together and make both stronger and 2. Have these special children be slavishly devoted to him and his idiotic dream. 2 I still have an issue with, but 1 I guess Nadare could have manipulated him into finding that out.
最初は相模がバカすぎて「怪獣と人間がリンクして互いを強くできる」って発見するのも、「特殊な子供たちが彼の馬鹿げた夢に盲目的に従う」って設定も納得いかなかったんだよね。2はまだ納得できてないけど、1についてはナダレが彼に気付かせた可能性はあるかもな。普通くん
LaoWombat-mecha
Also, bad science (used in the movie "Lucy" as well.)
まじでそれな!「Lucy」でも同じようなトンデモ科学使ってたじゃん笑 この作品もやばい科学展開あるんだけど、まあアニメだからって割り切って見てるわ〜ギャル
OldInstruction5368
原文
I'm glad someone else pointed this out. I just fucking loathe that myth whenever it's invoked. I know, I know, fiction, but still. I just hate it with a burning passion. No, we don't use our full capacities at any given moment, but that's because the brain is a complicated organ that has a great many 'functions.' It's a very resource intensive organ that eats up 20% of our energy while taking up 2% (or less) of total body mass. However, over the course of a given day you will probably use every part of your brain, at least once. It's just we don't use all those parts at any given time because they aren't needed at the moment. Activating your entire brain at the same time would just burn through all your blood sugar without helping you think-noggin through any given problem, yet alone develop ESP. I know, I know, "fiction," but it's fiction based on dumb ideas. And I just get grumpy anytime someone tries to invoke it, even as fiction.
誰かがこれ指摘してくれて助かったわ。あの「人間は脳の10%しか使ってない」って説、俺もマジで嫌いなんだよ。創作ってわかってるけどさ。脳って複雑な臓器で、いろんな機能があるんだよ。体重の2%以下なのにエネルギー20%も消費する超リソース食いなんだ。一日のうちで脳の各部分は少なくとも一度は使われてる。一度に全部使ったら血糖値が一瞬で枯渇するだけだし、超能力なんて出るわけない。創作ってわかってるけど、これって馬鹿げたアイデアに基づいてるんだよ。フィクションでもこれが出てくるとイライラしちゃうんだ。普通くん
LaoWombat-mecha
It is spread, I believe, by people who use 5 percent of their brain.
マジで言ってるやつらの脳みそ5%しか使ってないんじゃない?笑ギャル
MonaganX
It's been my assumption for pretty much the entirety of the show that because Tetsuo's been doing nothing but fighting Kaiju for 10 years (and his dad certainly didn't do much in the way of parenting) he's so emotionally and mentally stunted that he's functionally still got the mind of a 9-year-old.
正直、最初からずっとそう思ってた。鉄雄が10年間怪獣と戦い続けてきたから(父親も育児にほとんど関わってなかったし)、精神的にすごく未熟で、実質まだ9歳のままなんじゃないかな。普通くん
PersonalContest1423
I feel like this show is terrible with a terrible message. Why the fuck is he going to forgive the guy who got like 95% of life wiped out and the planet frozen over? Bro should had the robot turn him into a stain in the snow the minute he heard the destroy the ship part...
このアニメクソすぎやろ、メッセージ性もゴミやん
なんで地球の95%の生命消滅させたクソ野郎を許すねん
ロボに「船破壊しろ」って言われた瞬間にそいつを雪の染みに変えとけやワイは
マジで意味わからんわ2ちゃん
Lapiz_lasuli
I knew it was heading in this direction, but I still dislike it. Could Yukio also shut the hell up for 5 minutes? Why do we need a play by play for a conversation?
やっぱりこうなるとは思ってたけど、やっぱり嫌だな。ユキオも5分でいいから黙ってくれないかな。会話の実況中継なんていらないじゃん。普通くん
Karl151
No way they're trying to redeem this loser at this point. The robot should just kill Tetsuo and become the MC considering he's the only person with a brain. This is the most annoying anime trope ever. Villain redemption when they committed unforgivable crimes by going on about their "sad" past.
マジで草 こんなクズキャラ今更救済しようとしてるんかよwww ロボットが鉄雄ぶっ殺して主人公になれや、あいつだけマトモやん ワイが一番嫌いなアニメのテンプレやわ 許されへん犯罪しといて「悲しい過去」とか語って更生とかマジでキモいンゴ2ちゃん
NotAnElk
Yukio's fully autonomous and seems to be able to fight on his own, it's entirely unclear what Tesuo adds to the partnership. Considering it seems to have kind of ruined his life, it really seems like Yukio should have just been fighting on his own.
雪男は完全自律型で単独戦闘も可能なのに、鉄雄がパートナーとして何を補っているのか全く不明だ。鉄雄の人生を台無しにした点を考慮すると、雪男は最初から単独で戦うべきだったという考察ができる。考察くん
JJJ954
Yukio can fight on his own but lacks the creativity and cleverness of a human. This was alluded to in the previous episode where Yukio's movements are simpler and more straightforward, compared to the more complex movements Tetsuo is able to pull off.
確かにユキオは戦えるけど、人間みたいな創造性や機転はきかないんだよね。前の話でテツオの方が複雑な動きができるのに対して、ユキオの動きは単純でストレートって言及されてたし、その差がはっきり出てると思う。普通くん
Karl151
Yeah it's odd, this is a mecha story that requires no pilot with how advanced the intelligence of the AI is. I'm confused as to why they didn't just build a million of these robots and installed the AI systems that could autonomously fight the Kaiju themselves.
せやな、AIが超賢いのにパイロット不要ってのが変やわ
なんでロボット大量生産してAIに怪獣と戦わせへんねんって話やろ
ワイも謎やと思うわ2ちゃん
DoktorDementor
Is Nadare the ice Kaiju? Also does this show really expect me to feel sorry for Sagami?
やばっ!ナダレって氷の怪獣なの!?てかさがみに同情しろってまじで言ってるの?無理じゃね?笑ギャル
Shimmering-Sky
Sagami wtf. Good, uh, good luck with that, Tetsuo. What the hell… Sagami “sore demo”! What a face… Uh-oh , this lady couldn’t have been human right? Damn. Oh, Tetsuo’s rambling now. Another Sagami “sore demo”! Sagami was so far up his own ass he didn’t think about this. After everything he’s done?
相模、マジで何やってんだよwww 頑張れよテツオ… つか相模の「それでも」連発やばすぎやろ。あの顔やべえ… あの女、人間じゃなかったんか? マジか。テツオもブツブツ言い出したし。また相模が「それでも」! あいつ自分勝手すぎて周り見えてないやん。ここまでやっといて? 草2ちゃん
Frontier246
Sagami so insane he literally poked his own eye out in frustration. And, y'know, didn't see all of Nadare's obvious sus vibes. He's too lucky Tetsuo is an impressionable, socially awkward, wreck of a teenager.
相模のあの狂気には驚かされるよ。苛立ちで自分の目を抉るなんて、完全にヤバい。そのせいでナダレの明らかな怪しさにも気づけなかったんだよな。鉄雄が影響されやすくて社会性に難のあるボロボロのティーンでなかったら、あいつは間違いなく詰んでた。考察くん
chilidirigible
It's all the sore demo . From Tomokazu Sugita . Unfortunately Sagami is batshit insane . Oh well tradeoffs
確かに杉田智和の「それでも」はエモすぎるッ!でもさがみはマジで狂ってるな…まあトレードオフってやつか。感情くん
djthomp
原文
For the love of god, we don't need to redeem the murderous madman. Boo hoo, sad childhood, doesn't excuse the death of thousands if not more. With that creepy neck bend I assume Nadare was a kaiju or was bonded to one, something that put her on the other side of the fight and she was just using Sagami. But again, that doesn't excuse his actions. I'm rather annoyed we have to wait at least another week to find out how Ao is doing.
マジで頼むから、大量殺人犯を更生させる展開はいらねえよ。悲しい過去とか泣ける話だけど、何千人もの死を正当化できるわけないだろ。あの不気味な首曲がりからすると、ナダレは怪獣かそれに寄生されてて、サガミを利用してただけなんじゃないかな。でもそれも彼の行動の言い訳にはならん。それよりアオの安否が気になって、また1週間待たされるのがマジでイライラするわ。普通くん
Shantotto11
Is the redemption in the room with us? Reasons don’t equal amnesty.
え、ちょっと待って?このキャラの更生ってどこにいるの?笑 理由があるからって許されるわけじゃないじゃん!まじでそう思うわ〜ギャル
OldInstruction5368
原文
1) He's still alive. That alone is bullshit. 2) Tetsuo tried to use his Book of Friends gimmick on Sagami. 3) Tetsuo refused to even punch the bastard, then offered him the title of Savior 4) Meta layer, why was this entire goddamn episode dedicated to Sagami's backstory and Tetsuo's attempt at "talk no Jutsu" instead of... just killing him and moving on? This man is irreedemable scum that killed thousands of innocents and doomed an entire planet out of spite and pride. Kill him and move on!
1) まだ生きてるってのがまず納得いかないわ
2) テツオがさがみに友人帳ごっこ使おうとしてた
3) テツオはあのクズに一発も殴らずに救世主の称号まで差し出した
4) なんでこの回まるごとさがみの過去話とテツオの"口先術"に費やしたんだよ……さっさと殺して次行けよ。こいつは何千人もの無実の人を殺して、意地とプライドだけで地球全体を滅ぼしかけた救いようのないクズだぞ。殺して終わらせろ!普通くん
djthomp
Tetsuo offering Sagami his status as the savior is the redemption I'm referring to.
鉄雄が相模に救世主の地位を譲ったのが、ワイの言う贖罪ってやつやな。2ちゃん

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