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「表現者」
可楽杯本選。からしに続いて声優・高良木ひかるが登場する。声優としての演技力ではなく容姿を評価されがちな現状を変えるべく、落語の道を選んだひかるは、自身の表現力を生かせる人情噺を披露する。
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Frontier246
原文
It was nice to see a day in the life of Rie Takahashi...I mean, Hikaru. And to see what a top-tier female seiyuu with looks to match her vocal talent can bring to rakugo. A day in the life of Hikaru! Which is basically just a day in the life of Rie Takahashi, killing it both fashion-wise AND vocally in a magical girl anime! But she's just as committed to making it in the Karaku Cup, even if she needs to forego meals to be able to practice. That's just a sign of how committed she is. Some in the audience are Hikaru fans, some know her from her vocal work, some don't know what to make of her as a Rakugo performer, and there's also plenty of people who admire her beauty (to the frustration of their girlfriends). But she manages to bring ALL of them to attention with her performance. None other than Shibahama, the last Rakugo performance Akane's dad ever gave and the thing that set off the plot. And admittedly with her top-tier vocal talent as a seiyuu, she gets you utterly entranced in the story, especially the wifes' side of it, and they're so moved that there's not a dry eye in the audience. This is the power of Rie Takahashi...I mean, voice acting and the ability to embody a character, at it's finest. A lot of seiyuu get their big break role, and for Hikaru that was Saruel in Eden's Nova. It's no surprise that work would continue to pick up for her, only then she found out the REAL reason...because she's so attractive, it made it a boon to cast her. It wasn't because she was a good actress, it was for her appearance. That's why she entered this competition, to prove she's more than a pretty face and to prove to everyone that her acting talents are legit! And her manager is there for her, because he knows she's talented and he knows she'd stay up late in the office when everyone else left just to train. How can you not root for a girl who is putting in her all and won't give up? But was it a bad move to choose Shibahama when Issho Arakawa is a judge AND to bank on the same style of performance that got Akane's dad rejected? Yet, as it turns out, Issho actually praises her performance and ability, for someone so new to this, to convey the subleties of the character emotions as well as she did. You can tell she's a performer for how self-critical she is, but it's still so validating to get so much acknowledgement. Karashi's a dick who is convinced he's going to win...but he's probably right that at this point it's a contest between Karashi and Hikaru. Can Chef Akane (who looks great in that uniform, by the by) deliver a meal that's as delicious and appetizing as theirs. Sorry Koguma, anime has endeared to make people who look like you into high school students. Less sorry when you're doubting Akane's chances, even if he didn't expect she'd have such top-tier rivals. But can she really put her 100% out there in front of the man who ruined her father? Her nemesis? Well, she can, because she's faced Issho Arakawa before and she knows this is what she has to do to properly move on from her fathers' expulsion by getting answers. And she'll do it as a true Rakugoka! And there it is! Jugemu! Just...the basic Jugemu. Obviously it's not super impressive on the surface, and to the untrained eye it might seem like Akane's just given up...but after a hard-hitting performance like Hikaru's, it was time for something to make the audience feel comfortable, chuckle a little, and ease them into a sense of security...right as Akane is about to get to the name! Akane-Kobanashi! While Kaisei can educate Akane on using a tenugui and sensu, only Akane can make Kaisei laugh that much!
高橋李依…じゃなくて、ヒカルたちの日常が垣間見えて良かったな。美貌と声の才能を兼ね備えたトップ声優が落語に何をもたらすか、まさにそれを体現していた。ヒカルの日常=高橋李依の日常と言っても過言じゃない。魔法少女アニメでファッションも歌唱力も完璧にキメる彼女だが、華楽杯で成功するためには食事を犠牲にしてでも練習に打ち込む。その執念が表れている。観客にはヒカルのファンもいれば、声優としての仕事を知る者もいるし、落語家としてどう評価すべきか戸惑う者もいる。さらに彼女の美貌に惹かれる者も多く、彼女たちの彼女たちの恋人からは嫉妬されているが…そんな全員を、彼女は一瞬で魅了した。演じたのは柴浜、あかねの父が最後に演じた落語であり、物語の発端となった演目だ。声優としてのトップクラスの声の才能で、特に妻側の視点から物語に引き込まれ、観客は涙を禁じ得なかった。これが声優の力であり、キャラクターを体現する真髄だ。多くの声優がブレイク役を経験するが、ヒカルにとっては『エデンズ・ノヴァ』のサルエルだった。その後順調に仕事が増えたが、本当の理由は…容姿が評価されていたからだと知る。演技力ではなく外見でキャスティングされていた。だからこそ彼女はこの大会に挑み、自分はただの美人顔じゃないと証明しようと考察くん
doomrider7
That's part of her issue. People focus on her being an attractive VA rather than her actual artistic talent and hard work.
我が観測によれば、それが彼女の抱える運命の歪み。世の愚か者どもは、彼女の内なる芸術の炎や積み上げし努力の軌跡を顧みず、ただ外見という虚ろな幻影に惑わされているのだ。中二病
ohoni
It's so wild that in VA, one of the least looks-focused forms of acting, looks are still a pretty big deal.
声優業界って外見が重視されないイメージあるけど、実際は結構見た目も大事なんだなって驚いたわ普通くん
ali94127
Seiyuu have transitioned a lot to also basically being idols. To an extent, this is also the case for male seiyuu. Rieri herself is technically still an idol as part of Earphones. Ironically, in Oshi no Ko, she's the only main character seiyuu who actually is an idol in real life.
草、声優業界ガチでアイドル化しとるやん。男声優も似たようなもんやな。Rieri(高橋李依)はEarphonesってユニットで実質アイドルやってるしな。皮肉なことに【推しの子】でメインキャラの声優の中でリアルアイドルなのは彼女だけってのが面白いわwww2ちゃん
doomrider7
It's a running thing with her character including in a meta context as well.
確かに!メタ的にもキャラとしても彼女の「走り」ネタは一貫してるよね。それ込みでキャラが立ってる感じがして好きッ!感情くん
ohoni
Yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that it's so weird that it does.
うん、ないとは言わないけど、そういうことがあるのがすごく変だと思うんだよね。普通くん
doomrider7
Oh for sure and it's kind of annoying.
せやな、ちょっとムカつくンゴwww2ちゃん
BosuW
Probably culture shock for us here. I think the vast majority of us could not identify a picture of our favorite Seiyuu, but in Japan, the very point is selling as much as possible of those. ...or maybe it's just me, I can't identify many Hollywood stars either lol
たぶん俺たちには文化の違いってやつだな。大半の人は好きな声優の顔写真すらわからないと思うけど、日本ではそれを最大限売るのが肝なんだろうな。…いや、単に俺がそうなだけかも。ハリウッドのスターもあんまり識別できないし笑普通くん
ohoni
Yeah, I know what some western voice actors look like, and some of them are very attractive, but I don't think it's an essential part of their casting for voice roles.
わかる!確かに海外の声優さんでめっちゃ可愛い人とかいるけどさ、声優にルックスは別に必要ないよね〜!ギャル
ali94127
Seiyuu tend to do a lot of promotion for the anime, so they end up being on camera a lot, and it doesn't hurt for the presenter to be attractive.
ふむ、声優というものはアニメの宣伝でよくカメラの前に立つゆえ、見目麗しき者が司会を務めるのは決して悪いことではあるまい。武士
DugACCat
原文
What it makes me think of is some of the higher profile storytelling podcasts I enjoy listening to. As well as audiobooks. One like Selected Shorts where excellent and recognizable actors will be brought in to dramatically read prominent short stories by similarly renowned authors. Usually I don’t look too closely at who’s on deck when listening, but then I’d I recognize a voice or its very striking I’ll check to see who it is and where they’re from. Sometimes it’s surprising to see who was brought in to narrate a given story or novel. The right choice can add amazingly and powerfully to the appeal of a given story and sometimes takes you by surprise. Often works especially well with an older actor or actress who may not be in their “prime” anymore in terms of looks or variety of acting roles, but have that lifetime of talent and control. I’ve gained extra respect for a number of actors who have turned to voice acting and story reading. I used to wonder what motivates them but I think it’s mostly pros who just really love a good story told well. And I think it’s a chance to “act” in a different and sometimes more subtle way. Anyhow was just thinking about that while watching this show. Especially as in recent years I’ve been consuming audiobooks much more than regular ones. The narrator becomes so important to the experience. For me it’s the closest I get to the rakugo style experience, especially as with a voice actor performing.
あー、なんかワイが聴いてる有名なストーリーテリング系ポッドキャストやオーディオブック思い出すわ。Selected Shortsみたいなやつで、有名俳優が著名作家の短編を朗読するんやけど、声聞いて「誰やこれ」って調べると意外な人が出てて草。特に年取った俳優の朗読がガチでヤバいんよ。見た目や役の幅は衰えても、人生の経験と技術が滲み出ててな。声優や朗読に転向した連中にはマジでリスペクト湧くわ。 最近ワイも本よりオーディオブックばっかやし、ナレーターの存在感デカすぎるンゴ。これこそ落語に一番近い体験やと思うわ、特に声優のパフォーマンス見てると。2ちゃん
aozaki-san
well even them often involved with live events: anime/game anniversary/announcements, varying from simply reading a script to different variety programs/singing, then there are different "radio" programs that moved to youtube over the time, (then i am pretty sure some of them simply active streamer as well)
確かに彼らもライブイベントに頻繁に関わっているな。アニメ・ゲームの周年記念や新情報発表で、単に台本を読むだけからバラエティ番組や歌唱まで幅広い。さらに、ラジオ番組がYouTubeに移行したケースも多く、中には配信者としても活躍している者もいるという考察ができる。考察くん
orange-shades
I mean, even her own manager said she only got the part because she was pretty. They're not wrong.
草、マネージャー本人が「顔だけで役もらった」って言ってたしな。否定できんわwww2ちゃん
JJVM99
The guy getting way too excited to see Koragi and his girlfriend giving him the death stare is prime meme material.
コラギにめっちゃ興奮してる奴と彼女の殺意こもった視線、完全にミームの素材だわw普通くん
Frontier246
The distracted boyfriend meme: seiyuu addition!
草、声優verの浮気男ミームかよw ワロタwwwおじ
GtrsRE
The spirit of the wife from the retirement home a few episodes ago would probably have sent her husband to the afterlife with her if it was Hikaru performing
やばくない!?数話前の老人ホームに出てきた奥さんの霊、もし相手がヒカルだったら旦那さんをあの世に連れて行ってたかもね笑ギャル
FLorianGran
Mixed on the decision to cut off Akane's performance halfway through. I get that the idea is that she's about to hit a new gear but I don't know if the tension was there.
あかねの高座を途中で切った判断には賛否両論あるな。新しい境地に入ろうとしてるって意図はわかるけど、緊張感がちゃんとあったかは微妙だと思う。普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
原文
Personally, it worked for me. I think if they had started next week with Akane slowly getting the audience to relax would have probably killed the hype that they built up. After all, we as the audience also want to see what she came up with. It's a bit with the Rakugo itself. That part was important for Akane's character (as it showed her remember the lesson) but it would probably have the opposite effect on the anime audience if they put it at the start of next week.
個人的には、この展開は効果的だったと思う。来週の冒頭で「あかねがゆっくり観客をリラックスさせる」シーンから始めてたら、せっかく盛り上がった勢いが削がれてたんじゃないかな。何せ視聴者としても、彼女がどうやって答えを出したのか見たいわけで。これは落語そのものの構造にも通じる考察ができる。あのパートはあかねのキャラクター成長(教訓を覚えていた証拠)として重要だったけど、来週の冒頭に持ってきたら逆効果だったと思われる。考察くん
Jaxyl
Agreed. Splitting it up allowed Hikaru to get the focus she needed while also letting next week's episode really get into Akane being 'unleashed.' If they did the slow start into the ramp up it'd make the episode feel very chaotic imo.
同意。分割したことで、ヒカルに必要な焦点が当てられたし、来週のエピソードであかねが「解き放たれる」ところにちゃんと入れるようになったと思う。もしスロースタートから盛り上げていく構成だったら、エピソードがめちゃくちゃ混沌としてた気がするわ。普通くん
BosuW
I don't know if it is an editing choice that does all the things it needs to do well, but it certainly keeps us tuned with the audience's mood of feeling like you already experienced the episode climax and not much could really come out of the remaining three minutes of screentime.
この演出が意図された編集なのかは分からないが、視聴者に「既にエピソードのクライマックスを経験した感覚」と「残り3分の上映時間からは大した展開は生まれないだろう」という気持ちを抱かせる点では、確かに観客のムードに同調させられていると言える。考察くん
Frontier246
I wonder if they're going to do a "recap" next week that'll start off again with the first half of the performance so we can see the full thing?
ふむ、来週は「総集編」にて、演目の前半をもう一度お見せいただき、全容を拝めるのでござるかな?某、そのような展開を予感しておる。武士
hibikir_40k
原文
Normally Jugemu takes 15 minutes, but the slots they get in the finals is for a longer story, so Akane might as well use the time. We sure aren't getting the high speed, vocalization centric performance from last time. So for all we know, the series might actually use the vast majority of the next episode for it. But the real reason to split here though is that cutting Hikaru's performance more would have been unreasonable, so the only alternative was to give her an entire episode, which probably didn't line up well. It's not as if they are changing episode lengths because they said so.
なるほど、普段の寿限無は15分程度だが、決勝で割り当てられる枠は長尺の話向けだから、あかねがその時間を活用するのは理にかなっている。前回のような高速・発声重視のパフォーマンスは期待できない。シリーズ側も次回の大部分をそれに充てる可能性が高い。ただ、ここで分割した真の理由は、ヒカル(光?)のパフォーマンスをさらにカットするのが不合理だったからで、彼女にまるまる1話を与えるしかなかったが、それがスケジュール的にうまく噛み合わなかったのだろう。エピソード尺を勝手に変えているわけではないという制作陣の意図が読める。考察くん
Countingmypennies
Rakugo stories can be performed in a variety of ways. Even the same stories. So yeah, Akane will give us a very different Jugemu next week. Also, Akane asking her mother about the origin to her name was a big hint towards what kind of Jugemu Akane will give us. I personaly love It better than the usual Jugemu.
落語って同じ演目でも演じ方次第で全然違うからね。来週のあかねは俺たちに全然違う寿限無を見せてくれるはず。あと、自分の名前の由来をお母さんに聞いてたシーンは、どんな寿限無になるかの大きなヒントだったんだな。個人的には通常の寿限無よりこっちの方が好きだな。普通くん
doomrider7
I think I know how it's goinf to play out and it's gonna be awesome.
ワイ、展開予想できてもうたけどガチでやばそうwww絶対アツいやん!2ちゃん
Countingmypennies
Yeah, it will be awesome. Very different from The one in the prelims.
確かに!予選のヤツとは全然違う感じになりそうで楽しみだわwwwwおじ
Countingmypennies
I'm not sure it's a good ideia. Mainly Cuz Akane Banashi will have a second part later on. It would be better to have a recap then than here. Akane Banashi will have a total of 24 Episodes.
確かにそれは微妙かも。あかね噺は後半パートがあるし、そこで総集編やった方が良かったんじゃないかな。全24話だしね。普通くん
tapdancinghellspawn
When we can binge this anime, the cut off won't be too much of an issue. I'm looking forward to taking a day or two to binge Akane-banashi when it is complete. I'm all about inject Akane greatness into my soul. She's another Spirit Goddess in my slowly growing pantheon.
このアニメを一気見できるようになれば、区切りの悪さもそこまで気にならなくなるという考察ができる。完結したら1〜2日かけてあかね噺を一気見するのが楽しみだ。あかねの偉大さを魂に注入したいんだよな。彼女は俺のゆっくりと成長するパンテオンにおける新たなスピリット・ゴッデスだと言える。考察くん
pjepja
I think it works. The first part of Akane's performance was essentially only a reset after Karashi and Hikaru's performances. It sort of belongs with them. She'll start her real performance next week.
確かにそうだね。あかねの最初のパフォーマンスは唐獅子と光の演目の後にリセットする感じだったし、実質的にあの流れの一部だったのかも。本当の演技は来週からって感じだな。普通くん
ButterIsMyLifeblood
It’s fun to actually see what kind of show Edens nova is lol
エデンズノヴァってどんなアニメかやっと分かって草www2ちゃん
Frontier246
Rieri-voiced Dark Cure with dual-wielding energy blades...I can see why Hikaru is so popular.
リエリさん声のダークキュアが二刀流のエナジーブレード振るってるの…なるほど、ヒカルが人気な理由がわかった気がするッ!!かっこよすぎる!!感情くん
BosuW
It makes me feel the same as I felt for Phantom in Seiyuu Radio : Make this anime real please!
「Seiyuu RadioのPhantomと同じ気持ちになった。このアニメ、マジで実現してほしい!」普通くん
RepulsiveRevenue8
"I want praise because I need confidence" If only Hikaru knew the old bastard is just being nice.
「『褒めてほしいんだ、自信が欲しいから』…光が知ったら泣くぞ。あの頑固じじいがただ優しくしてるだけって事実にッ!」感情くん
ali94127
This is a student competition though. The criteria is different. He can't expect students to be at the level for a master promotion test. Akane's father's performance was objectively probably better than Hikaru's, but not at the level what Issho expects of a shin'uchi.
確かに学生の大会だしね。審査基準も違うし、師匠昇進試験と同じレベルを求めるのは酷だよ。あかねの父のパフォーマンスは客観的にはひかるより良かったと思うけど、一翔が真打に求めるレベルには達してなかったんだろうな。普通くん
crixx93
Issho is cruel but fair
いっしょクッソ厳しいけど公平やん2ちゃん
doomrider7
That time you thought you both sucked BAD, but you're contractually obligated to play the nice rakugo grandpa at the event.
あの時はお互い下手くそすぎてヤバいって思ったけど、イベントでは契約で優しい落語のおじいちゃんを演じなきゃいけなかったって話だね。普通くん
Countingmypennies
原文
Issho doesn't expect anything great out of The amateurs performing. So he's being Nice despite It not being his Nature. His harsh criticism will only go towards pro, the Rakugoka. What Issho is trying to do here is make the next generation love Rakugo enough to become Rakugoka. He doesn't want the art to die out. So he tries to save any way he can. And that includes making the new generation love the art. So he will be nice in his criticisms. It doesn't matter what he Thinks as Long as he keeps It to himself and he achieves his goals.
一蔵はアマチュアの演者に大したものを期待していないんだよな。だから彼の本性ではないけど、優しく接しているんだ。彼の厳しい批評はプロの落語家にだけ向けられる。一蔵がここでやろうとしているのは、次世代に落語を好きにさせて落語家になるきっかけを作ることだ。彼はこの芸術が廃れるのを望んでいない。だから可能な限りあらゆる方法で救おうとしている。それには、新しい世代に芸術を愛させることも含まれる。だから批評では優しくするんだ。自分の考えは心の中にしまっておけば問題なく、目的を達成できるならそれでいい、という考察ができる。考察くん
BosuW
I think he's being genuine here though, if leaning more on the praise than the criticisms
でも彼、ここでは本音だと思うよ。批判よりも称賛の方が多いけどね。普通くん
Countingmypennies
He is. He has his criticisms, but as they're not pros yet, he doesn't need to get that harsh about their performances. What he said are his true thoughts, as far as an amateur goes, Hikaru performed beautifuly.
まあ、そういうもんだよな。彼にも批判はあるけど、まだプロじゃないから厳しく言う必要もない。アマチュアとしては光のパフォーマンスは美しかったってのが本音だろう。ドライおじ
oxlemf10
原文
Hikaru brought up an interesting point, being a voice actor is an incredible job because conveying a character's feelings with a voice and tone that match and transmit their essence is difficult. But it wasn't something she saw as something that would transmit her passion to other people; her Rakugo was quite different from what we've seen so far, but with enormous meaning. Akane once again showed why she's top-tier even at a young age; she understood that after the other performances, it would be much better to bring something lighter. Entertaining isn't just about showing a reaction, because silent appreciation is also a reaction, and this means that her communication with the audience worked.
ひかるの言う通りやな、声優ってキャラの感情を声とトーンで伝えるのがガチで難しい仕事やけど、あかねはそれを自分の情熱を伝える手段としては見てなかったんやな。彼女の落語は今までと全然違ったけど、めっちゃ意味があったわ。あかねは若いのにトップクラスな理由を見せつけたな。他の演目の後だから軽めのを持ってきた方がいいって理解してたんや。楽しませるって反応を引き出すだけじゃなくて、静かな鑑賞も立派な反応やし、観客とのコミュニケーションが成立してたってことやろ。2ちゃん
Frontier246
原文
Hikaru brought up an interesting point, being a voice actor is an incredible job because conveying a character's feelings with a voice and tone that match and transmit their essence is difficult. But it wasn't something she saw as something that would transmit her passion to other people; her Rakugo was quite different from what we've seen so far, but with enormous meaning. It's also especially meaningful to the anime adaption considering it's chock full of seiyuu trying to convincingly portray professional rakugoka's.
ヒカルが言ってたのは面白いポイントだよね。声優ってキャラの感情を声やトーンで伝えるのが難しい仕事だけど、彼女はそれを他人に情熱を伝える手段とは見てなかった。彼女の落語は今まで見てきたのとは全然違ったけど、すごく意味が深かった。しかも、プロの落語家を演じる声優だらけのアニメ版にとっても特に意義深い話だと思う。普通くん
RepulsiveRevenue8
Akane is the protag but she's also the final boss. She's the one others competitor have to beat.
まじでそれな!あかねが主人公だけどラスボスでもあるって感じじゃん!他のライバルたちが倒さなきゃいけない相手ってのがやばくね!?ギャル
ali94127
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Akane's literally the rival character who has basically been training since birth and wants to avenge her father who "died" unfairly. She's also basically been told she is obviously better than any amateur student and has to restrain herself and not use her full strength that would easily demolish everyone else. Hikaru fits the standard shonen protagonist role a little better by saying her hard work is her true talent.
ふむ…あかねはまさに宿命のライバル、幼き日より研鑽を積みし者。不条理に倒れた父の無念を晴らすため、その力を秘めてきたのだ。奴は己が凡百のアマチュアなど超越していると知りながら、全力を解き放てば全てを薙ぎ払える力を、あえて封印している。ヒカルこそ、正統なる少年王道の主人公。彼女の言葉は真理だ——「努力こそが真の才能」とな。中二病
Countingmypennies
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Yeah, people tend to either overlook or simply not realize It. But by restraing Akane to Jugemu, her master made It easy on every competitor's hearts. Had Akane performed a story of her choice. She would probably traumatize a lot of the amateurs performing. And possibly break their hearts enough so they wouldn't want anything to do with Rakugo for life. Her master was clever here. He got to test Akane's Skills as a Rakugoka and give her a chance to grow more. But he also made It easier for her opponents to no suffer from shock by seeing a true Rakugo Genius.
確かに、多くの人が見落としがちだが、あかねを寿限無に縛ったことで、師匠は他の出場者たちの心を守ったという考察ができる。もしあかねが自由に演目を選んでいたら、アマチュアの出場者たちは衝撃を受け、中には落語そのものにトラウマを抱えて二度と触れたくなくなる者も出ていたかもしれない。師匠の判断は賢明だったと言える。彼はあかねの落語家としての力量を試しつつ、成長の機会も与えた。同時に、真の天才の実力を目の当たりにしたショックから他の出場者を守る配慮もあったのだ。考察くん
ali94127
原文
Personally, I think a girl much younger beating everyone by performing the same story twice that basically everyone who's slightly familiar with rakugo knows would be even more traumatizing. I can't even come up with a analogy for how ridiculously more talented Akane would appear to everyone else if she wins. EDIT: It'd be like winning a collegiate piano recital by performing Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star twice as a high schooler.
ワイ的には、若いガキがみんなが知ってる落語の演目を2回やって全員ぶっちぎる方がよっぽどトラウマやと思うンゴwww あかねが勝ったら周りからどんだけバケモノに見えるか例えすら思いつかへんわ。編集:高校生がキラキラ星を2回弾いて大学のピアノ発表会で優勝するみたいなもんやろ。草2ちゃん
Countingmypennies
Yeah, but i still Think the shock from a story of her choice would hit harder. You can't fathom how greater Akane is when she performs without shackles.
確かに、でも彼女自身が選んだ話の方が衝撃は大きいと思うよ。枷なしで演じるあかねの凄さは想像を絶するんだ。普通くん
ali94127
It’d be a better performance, but you’d feel better if someone won that piano contest with Animenz Unravel over the Alphabet song.
やばくね!?ピアノコンテストでアルファベットソングじゃなくてAnimenzのUnravelで優勝した方が絶対盛り上がるし、気分も良くない!?ギャル
Countingmypennies
True that.
確かに。普通くん
doomrider7
This is something I love about the series. It's not afraid to make the protagonis "Final Boss" coded as hell.
このシリーズの好きなところだな。主人公を堂々とラスボスっぽく描くのを躊躇してないところが。ドライおじ
BosuW
Akane next episode gonna be like "Let's make one thing clear, you're the challengers here!"
あかね、次回は「一つはっきりさせとく、お前らが挑戦者だ!」って感じになりそうだね。普通くん
Countingmypennies
I'm not sure what the results are gonna be. But Akane said It better herself. She came here to win.
マジで結果どうなるかわかんないけどさ!あかね本人が言ってたじゃん?「勝ちに来た」って!やばくね!?ギャル
rubslotiononitsskin
The competition needed Akira Ishida as a secret boss
確かに、大会には石田彰が隠しボスとして必要だったんだよね。普通くん
ali94127
The fact she can cry on demand makes it seem like her talents are a little wasted in just voice acting.
まじで彼女の才能やばくない!?泣きの演技をオーダーでできるとか声優だけじゃもったいなさすぎじゃね笑ギャル
Jacob-C
She's just another genius child actor who licks baking soda. Maybe she should try becoming an idol to boost her career before she goes back to acting. I've heard it works.
彼女も重曹舐める系天才子役って感じだね。役者に戻る前にアイドルでキャリアアップしてみたらいいのに。効果あるって聞いたよ。普通くん
ali94127
Hikaru should definitely invest in a door chain.
ひかる、絶対ドアチェーンつけたほうがいいって!笑 マジでやばくね?ギャル
BosuW
Three locks for good measure
三度目のロックで草www2ちゃん
Countingmypennies
Yeah, i can't fathom how people in the industry see Hikaru's talents and even her beauty and don't want to make her shine brighter. I understand she's getting lots of Job offers, but it's not the same as acting offer. Her offers are limited to voice acting. Which is still quite good, but like you said, It seems like wasted Potential.
わかるなあ。業界の人たちは光るの才能とか美貌を見てるのに、もっと輝かせたいと思わないのが理解できないよ。仕事のオファーはたくさん来てるんだろうけど、演技のオファーとは違うんだよね。声優の仕事に限られてる。それでも十分すごいけど、君の言う通り、もったいない気がする。普通くん
xTimeKey
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Akane once again showed why she's top-tier even at a young age; she understood that after the other performances, it would be much better to bring something lighter. Entertaining isn't just about showing a reaction, because silent appreciation is also a reaction, and this means that her communication with the audience worked. What’s great about this is that this is akane beating karashi at his own game in her own way: last episode, karashi arrogantly stated that you have to satisfy your audience. Except we see here that karashi has only thought of the performance aspect of rakugo, like akane used to think; he has no idea that akane is actually defusing the tension in the room.
あかねガチで若いのにトップクラスやわ。他の演者が重めの話やったから、軽いネタ持ってきた方がええって理解してたんやな。笑いだけが反応ちゃうねんで、静かに聴き入るのも立派な反応やし、客とのコミュニケーションが成立してる証拠やわ。 しかもこれ、あかねがからしの理論を自分なりにぶっ壊してるんよな。前回からしが「客を満足させろ」とか偉そうに言うとったけど、あいつはまだあかねが昔考えてたみたいに「演じること」しか頭にないんやろ。場の空気を和らげるって発想が完全に抜けてるわwww2ちゃん
Countingmypennies
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Karashi at this point has a very shallow understanding of The Rakugo World. Of course he would Think like Akane used to. He can't see that Akane is actualy doing the very Thing needed to get the audience's attention. Also, despite having read the manga, i was still hoping Akane would give Karashi some answer back. Like a provocation. Since she's from The Rakugo world and has a better grasp on Issho's mindset. She knew what Karashi was doing would backfire on him, but said nothing. She's got a great Foundation, so she's not worried about anything, despite the quality of her rivals performances. I love a little back and forth between rivals, so that's what i was hoping for. But i understand why she didn't do anything to confront Karashi. Just imagine being a pro tauting amateurs, It would be childish at best.
この時点での辛子は落語界のことを浅くしか理解してないんだよね。昔のあかねと同じ考え方してるだけ。あかねが観客の注目を集めるために必要なことを実際にやってるのが見えてない。それに、漫画は読んでたけど、あかねが辛子に何か一言返してくれるのを期待してたんだ。挑発的な感じでさ。彼女は落語界の出身で一翔の考え方もよくわかってるから、辛子のやり方が裏目に出るって気づいてたはずなのに何も言わなかった。基礎がしっかりしてるから、ライバルのパフォーマンスの質がどうであれ何も心配してないんだろうな。ライバル同士のちょっとしたやりとりが好きだから、そういうのを期待してたんだよね。でも、あかねが辛子に直接対抗しなかった理由もわかる。プロがアマチュアを挑発するなんて、良くて子供じみてるだけだし。普通くん
Countingmypennies
Yeah, Akane learned a lot from working at that Isakaya. But also, what you said is only half of what Akane will give us. She did what she did so she could get the audience's attention. But It doesn't mean It will be all there is to what she will give us. Akane's a lot of Things. But passive isn't one of them.
同意。あの居酒屋での経験がアカネに多くの学びをもたらしたのは間違いない。ただ、君の指摘はアカネが今後見せるものの半分に過ぎないと思う。彼女が観客の注目を集めるためにああした行動を取ったのは確かだが、それが彼女の全てではない。アカネは多面的なキャラクターだが、受け身なタイプではないという考察ができる。考察くん
TsukumoYurika
Rakugo Q&A desk You get the mantra, I will try to answer to the best of my ability, no I'm not a pro, etc.
落語の質問コーナーか。心構えはできてるよ、ベストを尽くして答えるつもり。いや、プロじゃないけどね。普通くん
archlon
Based on my googling, Shibahama takes an hour to perform. Is there a shortened version that Hikaru is performing or is the Karaku cup really allowing such a long story when there are 8 people in the finals? How long would the performances typically be in a competition like this one?
ググった限りだと柴浜の演目って1時間かかるらしいンゴ。ヒカルがやってる短縮版があるのか、それともからく杯って本当にそんな長尺の話を決勝8人でやらせるのか?こういうコンテストだと通常どれくらいの尺なんや?2ちゃん
TsukumoYurika
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The Sakuden Taisho, arguably THE contest for amateur student performers and the most likely IRL inspiration for Karaku Cup, has a - wait for it - 8 MINUTE limit for performances. In my eyes Hikaru going for Shibahama is more of a creative liberty done to juxtapose her in a way against Shinta's performance because there is no literal way you can compress any ninjobanashi to such a short interval even if completely eschewing the makura. So yeah, it's probably one of those moments when invoking the MST3K mantra will help…
作独大賞、いわばアマチュア学生芸人のための大会で、からく杯の現実版モチーフっぽいんだけど、なんと制限時間が8分なんだよね。だからヒカルが芝浜を選んだのは、シンタの演目と対比させるための創作上の自由って感じがする。だって人情話を枕すっ飛ばしても8分に収めるのは無理だし。まあ、そういう時はMST3Kの格言を思い出すのがいいかもね。普通くん
Phantazmagorie
Ok, knowing this makes Kaisei's comment that Hikaru increased the material for the wife super funny
それな!カイセイが「ヒカルが奥さんの材料増やした」って言ったの、知るとめっちゃ笑えるじゃん!やばくね!?笑ギャル
Cyouni
I think she also did a very limited section, focusing primarily on the part at the end. Rakugo, as you know, is also very dialogue-focused, where Hikaru's was closer to a monologue. That's why he called it closer to acting.
彼女もかなり限定的な部分、特に終盤だけに焦点を当てたみたいだね。落語って基本的に会話主体だけど、ヒカルのは独白に近かったんだよ。だから彼が「演技に近い」って言ったのも納得。普通くん
ManiacallySane
Could you explain what a ninjo banashi is exactly? The term was used a few times in the episode, but they didn't really explain it. I assume there are other types as well.
え、人情噺って何?って感じじゃん?笑 この回で何回か出てきたけど、あんま説明なかったよね。たぶん他にも種類あるっぽいし、気になる〜!ギャル
Thatuk
It is a subsect of rakugo that deals with more dramatic and sentimental stories, contrasting with kokkei banashi (comedic stories) and kaidan banashi (ghost stories). Ninjo banashi are usually VERY long and often not told all at once, that's why Issho comments students shouldn't perform, they are often the most sophisticated performances.
この「人情噺」は落語の中でも特にドラマチックで情感豊かな物語を扱う一分野で、滑稽噺(笑い話)や怪談噺(幽霊話)とは対照的だ。通常、人情噺は非常に長尺で、一度に語られることはほとんどない。だからこそ、一翔が「生徒にやらせるべきじゃない」とコメントしたんだろう——最も高度な演目であることが多いという考察ができる。考察くん
Countingmypennies
原文
And If i remember It right. Even Zenzas aren't allowed to perform ninjo banashi since it's a complex and hard story to grasp techinicaly. They also have much emotional depth. So zenza are recommended to stick to Basic stories since they are simpler to grasp. Ninjo banashi like Shibahama are for Futatsume and Shinu'chi to perform, since Ninjo banashi are harder and longer stories and Futatsume and Shinu'chi are high enough levels that they can perform It better. So, Hikaru performing Shibahama stuck really badly for Issho. But since Hikaru is an amateur, she doesn't get to be criticized heavily by Issho. It was also endearing of Hikaru to try and perform It. She chose a hard and Long story to perform in a tight time frame. But she chose wisely despite the difficulty. Since It matches well with her qualities as an actress and as a Voice actress. It Brought out her qualities better than any other stories would had she chosen any other stories. It's like were Hikaru to choose any other story, she wouldn't perform as good as she did Shibahama. Hikaru chose well and It paid off.
確かに。俺の記憶が正しければ、前座でも人情噺は禁止されてるんだよね。技術的に複雑で難しいし、感情的な深みもあるから。前座は基本の噺に留めるのが推奨されてて、柴浜みたいな人情噺は二つ目や真打ち向け。難しくて長い話だから、もっと高いレベルの演者が演じるべきなんだ。 だからひかるが柴浜をやったのは、一翔にとってかなりまずいことだった。でも彼女はアマチュアだから、そこまで厳しく批判されなかったんだよね。それに挑戦した姿勢は好ましかった。短い時間制限の中で難しい長い話を選んだけど、彼女の女優・声優としての資質に合ってて、他の話を選ぶより良さが引き出されてた。結果的に良い選択だったと思う。普通くん
doomrider7
This is actually from elswhere in the series, but what are oo-neta(assuming I got the term right)?
「それシリーズの別の場面やけど、オオネタって何なん?用語合ってるか分からんけど」2ちゃん
not_your_ex_stacy
原文
Extremely curious about Akane's intro. I have a dual monitor setup and sometimes I glance as my secondary monitor as I watch anime, but for some reason I actually did pay a bit more attention to her performance and was extremely surprised at the explanation of matching pace(?) to pull the audience back in because that's exactly how I felt. Whether or not the VA actually meant to perform this way or if its a coincidence, could you expand a bit more on this?
あかねの導入部分には非常に興味を惹かれた。私もデュアルモニターでアニメを観ている時、ついサブモニターに目が行きがちなんだけど、彼女のパフォーマンスにはなぜか集中してしまった。特に「観客を引き戻すためにペースを合わせる」という説明には衝撃を受けたよ。まさに自分が感じていたことだったから。声優が意図的にそう演じたのか、偶然なのかは分からないけど、この点についてもう少し考察を深めてほしい。考察くん
ErikTwice
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Issho Arakawa is really a master of backhanded compliments, damn. EDIT, crossposting my explanation here: While better than what Karashi got last time, I understand his praise as a respectful but ultimately backhanded compliment. He lays down an argument that invalidates Hikaru's whole performance: It's a story about a married couple and she, being young, is not capable of capturing its essence. In other words, her portrayal is insincere. The way he phrases it makes it seem like she was an exception to that rule, but he actually doubles down on it. He praises her "proficiency" and "emotional performance", which is a way of saying she's workmanlike. That is, according to Issho, Hikaru is trying to cover up her performance's lack of substance through her skills . I can't really tell - I don't speak Japanese - but his wording of "performer" also implies he's not praising her as a rakugoka. He recognizes she's skilled, but that only makes it more apparent that he doesn't think her rakugo was great. I think I understand Issho better now. His criticism of Hikaru is the same he has of Karashi: That they miss the true substance of rakugo and focus on superficial elements - playing a "serious" role, "fixing" the classics, etc. I can also see this is what he hated of Akane's dad performance.
荒川一生、皮肉の天才すぎやろwww 解説転載:前回の枯柴よりはマシやけど、結局皮肉やわ。彼の論法は「夫婦の話を若いお前に語れるか?」ってヒカル否定やん。つまり「お前の演技に真実味がない」ってことや。技術と情感を褒めてるように見せかけて、実は「職人芸でごまかしてる」ってディスってる。しかも「演者」って言い方、落語家として認めてないやろ。ワイも日本語わからんけど、彼はヒカルも枯柴も「本質を外して表面だけ」って批判してるんやな。あかねの親父の時と同じ理論や。2ちゃん
ButterIsMyLifeblood
原文
It definitely adds to Akane’s motivation to win here. This tournament is not just a means to find out why her father was expelled but it’s now a fight to prove she is a rakugoka. To have the skill to get Issho to judge her art(and by extension her father’s art) on its merits rather than some hand waved “oh well they’re amateurs it’s to be expected”-esque praise is the ultimate goal. Whether Issho will be impressed by it is secondary. Or at least it is for now, Akane is still too early to truly challenge the final boss.
確かにあかねの勝つモチベーションが一段と上がったね。この大会はただ父親が破門された理由を知るためだけじゃなく、自分が落語家であることを証明する戦いにもなってる。一翔に「まあ素人だし仕方ないよね」みたいなおざなりな評価じゃなく、実力で芸を見てもらうのが最終目標だと思う。一翔が感心するかは二の次で、今はまだラスボスに挑むには早すぎるって感じかな。普通くん
ErikTwice
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Yes, exactly. I think she'll lose but she'll prove herself as a rakugoka. We have already been told what the twist with her choice is - she's going to perform the original ending that results in the death of the child. The moral of the story then becomes that the silly, careless choice has real serious consequences - for Issho, for Akane and her father. It will be too gimmicky for him to be too impressed - the "relaxing" first part will still be just okay even if it enhances the twist - but it will differ from the other performances by how deeply it captures the point the story and rakugo as a whole.
そうだね。彼女は負けるだろうけど、噺家としての実力を証明すると思う。すでに彼女の選択のひねりは示唆されている——子供が死んでしまう本来の結末を演じるんだ。この物語の教訓は、愚かで軽率な選択がイッショウやあかね、彼女の父親に現実の重大な結果をもたらすってことになる。彼が感心するにはあまりに作為的すぎる——たとえそのひねりを強化しても、「リラックスした」前半部分はまだまあまあにしか映らないだろう——だが、物語と落語全体が伝える本質をどれだけ深く捉えているかという点で、他の演目とは一線を画すはずだ。考察くん
Countingmypennies
原文
To add to your comment. Stories like Shibahama are called ninjo banashi. They are emotional stories. They have depth and are longer stories. They are hard even for Zenza, which are the beginner aprentices in the rakugo World. The Rakugoka has three levels. Which are Zenza, Futatsume and Shinu'chi. Ninjo banashi aren't recommended even for Zenza to perform due to how long and complex they are. The masters tend to Tell the zenza to stick to basic stories since they're easier to learn and grasp. So imagine Issho's surprise when he learned an amateur would be performing the damned Ninjo banashi Shibahama. The very same story that got Shinta expelled. So It doubles down as a story that has bad history with Issho. And as a very hard story for even zenza apprentices to practice, much less an amateur. He probably was fuming just thinking about she would dare to perform It. But he had to be professional enough since Hikaru is just an amateur in a competition to bring more people Into the Rakugo world. So he would have to take It easy with his criticisms.
確かに。芝浜みたいな噺は人情話って呼ばれてて、感動的で深い長編なんだよね。落語家には前座、二ツ目、真打の3段階があるけど、人情話は長くて複雑だから前座でも推奨されない。師匠たちは基本の噺を覚えさせる。だから一翔が、アマチュアが芝浜をやると知った時の驚きは想像できるよ。しかもそれが真太が破門された同じ噺で、一翔にとっては悪い因縁もある。前座ですら難しいのにアマチュアがやるなんて、彼は怒り狂ってたと思う。でも光るは落語界に人を呼ぶための素人だから、プロとして批判は抑えなきゃいけなかったんだな。普通くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Rie Takahashi Voice actress voice acting an anime within an anime
りえりえの声優業、アニメの中でアニメを演じるってエモすぎるッ!天才かよ…無理、優勝感情くん
GtrsRE
Now it would come full circle once Rieri performs rakugo IRL (that is if she still hadn't)
りえりが実際に落語を披露したら(まだやってなかったとしても)すべてが完結する感じになるよね普通くん
LeonKevlar
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Hikaru Stitch Here's a fun little seiyuu fact I just remembered after seeing that opening scene . This isn't the first time TakaRie has voiced a character who's a seiyuu. One of her first main character roles back in 2015 was Ichinose Futaba in Seiyu's Life. Anyway, no wonder Hikaru wanted to branch out. Despite her hard work as a seiyu, people think it's because of her looks that she got her roles. What's worse is that even Hikaru's manager agrees that she owes her job and popularity to her looks. At least the manager realized that Hikaru is more than just a pretty face, after seeing her practicing rakugo. It's actually hilarious to see the difference in Issho's judgment between Karashi and Hikaru's performances. It looked like Issho was restraining himself from saying anything inappropriate to Karashi last week, while this time he looks like he's genuinely elated after watching Hikaru's performance. Very excited to see Akane's performance next week. She's been taking it easy with the intro, but it looks like the actual performance will finally start once she recites Jugemu's name.
冒頭のシーンを見て、面白い声優トリビアを思い出したんだ。高橋李依が声優役を演じるのは今回が初めてじゃない。2015年の『それが声優!』で一ノ瀬双葉という主役を演じていたんだよ。ともあれ、ヒカルが新たな分野に挑戦したかったのも納得だ。声優として努力しているのに、周りはルックスで役を得たと思っている。さらに悪いことに、ヒカルのマネージャーまでもが彼女の仕事と人気を容姿のおかげだと考えていた。少なくとも、落語の練習を見た後で、マネージャーがヒカルはただの美人顔じゃないと気づいたのは救いだ。からしとヒカルのパフォーマンスに対するIsshoの評価の違いが実に面白い。先週はからしに対して不適切な発言を必死に抑えていたように見えたのに、今回はヒカルのパフォーマンスを見て心から喜んでいるようだった。来週のあかねのパフォーマンスが待ちきれない。導入部でゆったり構えているけど、寿限無の名前を唱え始めたら本番が始まるんだろうな。考察くん
Frontier246
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I have to wonder if Rieri was also getting Maho Precure flashbacks from her voice recording scene in the opening episode. Hikaru is fabulous and beautiful, that can't be denied, but her vocal talent is legit both in terms of being a seiyuu and in performing rakugo. Karashi tried to hijack rakugo and "modernize" it to suit his tastes and what he felt the audiences wanted, but Hikaru was able to take rakugo and truly elevate it with nothing more than her voice and charisma. At this point she's the real biggest threat to Akane right now.
冒頭の声録りシーンでRieriもまほプリ思い出してたんじゃないかな。ひかるは華やかで美しいのは間違いないけど、声優としても落語家としても本物の実力があるよね。カラシは落語を乗っ取って自分好みに「現代化」しようとしたけど、ひかるは声とカリスマだけで落語を本物に昇華させた。今のところ彼女があかねにとって最大の脅威だと思う。普通くん
eightcheesepizza
I think we also got a bit more of Hikaru's Fukuoka accent in the flashback too. So I assume her manager knows her secret.
草、回想でヒカルの博多弁がめっちゃ出てたな。ってことはマネージャーは彼女の秘密知ってるってことやろな。2ちゃん
ali94127
Her manager would definitely know where she is from.
彼女のマネージャーなら当然出身地知ってるだろ!それなのに隠してるとか気になるじゃんッ!感情くん
pjepja
I think Issho was impressed, but he was throwing a lot of backhanded compliments. Like he told her she's too young to portray this story and had to compensate with 'skilled theatrics".
いっしょは感心してたけど、皮肉な褒め方多かったよな。「お前はこの話を演じるには若すぎる、だから『熟練した芝居』で補った」とか言ってて草2ちゃん
ModieOfTheEast
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If I got a nickel for every show this season that surprisingly had a performance that I am really hyped about, I would have two nickels. Which isn't much, but it's weird it happened twice. And considering how good Iruma's performance was, I am confident in saying that they will give us a perfect Akane performance next week as well. Honestly, Hikaru's choice was something I expected. I thought she would use her acting talent to make sure that the characters are really coming through and it was clear that she focused on the wife early on. So props to the show that it was this easy to pick up despite not even showing the performance in full. I am interested to see what the deal with Issho is at the end. I am still thinking that he is mostly playing nice and he would be way more critical if those were "real" Rakugoka, but considering that even the audience members expect him to be stricter is definitely becoming a pattern. But let's see what he will say to Akane's performance considering that you'd think he finds Jugemu to be too easy for a win. I have to disagree on one thing with Koguma and that is that I never had the feeling that Akane started Rakugo because she wanted to get revenge for her father. She always loved it even before her father got exiled. So I think she would have become a Rakugoka either way. And I think, her focusing on the general audience and not Issho is a good sign of that. Sure, she wants to win but she didn't forget her lesson about who she is doing this for. Not just for Issho, but the whole crowd. Then again, if that was all there was to it, her father wouldn't have been exiled since people really loved his performance, so let's hope this fear isn't somehow getting back at her during the performance. Because I really want to see where she goes with it. I doubt she will end it with the death due to the name being too long, but we'll see.
今期のアニメで、予想外にめちゃくちゃ期待させるパフォーマンスがあった作品が2つもあるって、なんだか変な感じだよな。イルマの演技が素晴らしかったから、来週のあかねの演技も完璧なものにしてくれると確信してる。正直、ヒカルが妻役に焦点を当てる選択は予想通りだった。彼女の演技力ならキャラクターをしっかり引き出せるし、最初から妻に集中してたのは明らかだった。パフォーマンスが完全に描かれていなくても、これほど読み解きやすいのは見事だ。 最後に出てきた一翔の関わりがどうなるのか気になる。彼は基本的に優しく振る舞ってるだけで、もし本物の落語家相手だったらもっと厳しく批評するんだろうな。観客でさえ彼がもっと厳しいと予想してるのが、そのパターンを裏付けてる気がする。でも、寿限無は勝利には易しすぎると考えてるだろうから、あかねの演技にどう評価を下すのか見ものだ。 小熊の意見に一つだけ反論したい。あかねが父親の復讐のために落語を始めたとは思えない。彼女は父が追放される前から落語を愛していたんだ。だからどちらにせよ落語家になっていただろう。彼女が一翔だけでなく一般客を意識してるのは、その証拠だ。勝ちたい気持ちはあるけど、誰のために演じるかを忘れていない。一翔だけでなく、観客全員のために。とはいえ、それだけなら父親も追放されなかったはず。彼の演技は人々に愛されていたからな考察くん
Jaxyl
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Koguma's whole thing is that he discovered, through Akane, that he was still bitter about what happened to Shinta. It's why he agreed to work with Akane. So he projected his own thoughts, fears, and insecurities onto Akane in the moment. For him, he saw Akane entered the Karaku Cup as a way to yell at Issho and have her moment where she gets to rage at him because I'd imagine it's what Koguma wants to do (probably most of the other Shiguma apprentices). But, like she said, Issho is a phenomenal performer and to deny him would be lame. So she just wants to know why he did what he did, she already grappled with the emotions before he had even met her. Must have been a real humbling moment for him.
コグマはあかねを通じて、自分がまだ真太の件にこだわっていることに気づいたんだよね。だからあかねと組むのを承諾した。で、自分の考えや不安をあかねに投影しちゃったんだ。彼にとっては、あかねが辛らつ杯に出るのは一翔に怒りをぶつけるための手段に見えたんだろう。多分他の志まぐさの弟子たちも同じ気持ちだと思うけど。でもあかねが言う通り、一翔はすごい演者だから否定するのはダサい。彼女はただ理由を知りたいだけで、感情の整理はもう済んでたんだよ。コグマにとってはかなり謙虚になる瞬間だったんじゃないかな。普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
Oh I didn't think about that, but I really like the interpretation that Koguma just projected himself. It gives the scene when he decides to help Akane (only after she told him that Issho would be there) a second meaning.
あっそれワイも気づかんかったわ。でも「小熊が自分を投影してた」って解釈めっちゃ良いな。それで「一翔が来る」って聞いてからあかね助ける決めたシーン、もう一つの意味が出てくるんやな。確かに深いわ。2ちゃん
Jaxyl
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It absolutely does, Koguma has wounds from the expulsion incident and has absolutely been using Akane as his own 'projectile,' so to speak, for some vengence. The problem that he ran into is that Koguma himself is insecure so when he saw how good Hikaru is and how well received Karashi was (importantly despite the fact what he did was against Issho's style of rakugo) he panicked. He was worried he set her up to fail. But, another fun thing if you haven't caught on to it, is that Akane is the shounen prodigy character. Akane has no fear because she's grown up surrounded by rakugo. She has lived this her whole life and hasn't ever had a reason to be nervous or worried. Her job now is to go out there and give the audience what they want. Again, must have been a real humbling moment for him.
確かにその通りだ。小熊は破門事件による傷を抱えていて、あかねをいわば自身の“投射物”として復讐に利用してきたという考察ができる。彼が直面した問題は、小熊自身が不安定だったことだ。だから光がどれほど優秀か、そして辛子(しかも一翔の落語スタイルに反する行為だったにも関わらず)が好評だったのを見てパニックに陥った。あかねを失敗させるように仕向けたのではと心配したんだろう。 しかし、もう一つ見逃せない面白い点は、あかねが少年漫画の天才キャラだということだ。あかねは落語に囲まれて育ったから恐怖を知らない。彼女は人生ずっと落語と共に生きてきて、緊張したり心配する理由がなかった。彼女の役目はただ出て行って観客の求めるものを提供することだ。改めて、小熊にとっては本当に謙虚になる瞬間だったはずだ。考察くん
doomrider7
This is a phenomenal write-up. A big thing people have brought up is how the series inverts the usual sports shonen formulas where the usual protagonist is someone from the sticks trying to make it big like Hikaru vs the establishment, Karashi would be the cocky rival, but it's the mysterious Akane who nobody has ever heard of that was secretly trained by a legendary figure that's the protagonist.
これはガチで神記事やわ。みんな言ってるんやけど、この作品普通のスポ根少年漫画のフォーマットを逆転させてるんよな。普通なら田舎から出てきた主人公が大物に挑むとこやろ?ひかる vs 体制って感じで、辛子がイキリライバル。でも実際は、誰も聞いたことない謎のあかねが伝説の人物に秘密で育てられた主人公ってのがミソなんやwww2ちゃん
Jaxyl
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Oh absolutely. The Akane/Hikaru dichotomy is absolutely insane when you notice it with this episode really putting it on full display. And thanks, I've been a huge fan of this series since the manga first dropped and absolutely love the fact the anime is being so well taken care of and received. It's the best thing releasing today in manga form and the anime is no slouch either. I literally can not express how good this series continues to be and it doesn't ever miss, by far the best 'sports' shounen in a long time.
あかねとヒカル、このエピソードでその対比がはっきり出ててめっちゃすごいよね。原作からずっとファンなんだけど、アニメがこんなに丁寧に作られて好評なのが本当に嬉しい。今出てる漫画の中で一番だし、アニメも負けてない。このシリーズのクオリティはマジで語り尽くせないし、外れがない。長い間で一番のスポーツ少年漫画だと思う。普通くん
doomrider7
I know right?! I actually remember I got super into it, but got side-tracked away from the releases and kept seeing it get talked about well in the website threads so I picked it up again around the time Zenza competition or a little after and Marathoned from the very beginning a whole bunch of times and the Karaku Cup is STILL my Gold Standard for sports shonen tourney.
確かに!俺も最初はめっちゃハマったんだけど、連載から離れてて、サイトのスレで話題になってるのを見て、全前競技会の頃かそのちょっと後にまた読み始めたんだよ。で、最初から何度もマラソンしたんだけど、華楽杯は今でも俺の中でのスポーツ少年漫画トーナメントのゴールドスタンダードだわ。考察くん
ObviousSwimmer
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I think it plays with the usual set-up a bit more than that. Talent-wise, it's a reversal, but in terms of motives and personality it's close to the usual set-up. Hikaru's not exactly from the sticks, she's a celebrity in a similar field. She's working hard, but that's because she wants to prove the success she already has was earned. Akane is just a high school student, and she wants to succeed to vindicate her love for her father's craft and because she loves the art form for its own sake.
確かに、よくある設定ともちょっと違うよね。才能面では逆転してるけど、動機や性格はわりと王道に近い。ヒカルは田舎者ってわけじゃなくて、同じ業界の有名人だし。努力してるけど、それは今の成功が実力だって証明したいから。あかねはただの高校生で、父親の芸への愛情を証明したいのと、芸そのものが好きだから成功したいんだと思う。普通くん
Frontier246
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When you're putting on impromptu Rakugo performances as a child during a parent-teacher meeting and could never take your eyes off of your fathers' Rakugo, you were always destined to enter into this industry. I think she was so razor focused on becoming good enough to get to Issho that she lost some fundamentals along the way, but she's slowly been learning those over the course of the season. Everything she's been through has probably been building up to this Jugemu.
親子面談で即興落語やってたガキの頃から父親の落語から目が離せなかったんなら、この業界に入る運命だったんやろな。イッショウに追いつくことにガチ集中しすぎて基礎が疎かになってた感あるけど、シーズン通して徐々に学んできてるンゴ。今までの経験全部がこの寿限無に繋がってたってわけや。2ちゃん
ModieOfTheEast
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I am not sure if she actually lost fundamentals considering she is only a real Rakugoka for a bit. It's more like she just didn't know some things. Which I think is understandable. Because while it makes sense that you should check your audience, in a situation where you are nervous, simple things like these can just slip your mind. And if you are not told, you might never realise what you are doing wrong. We shouldn't forget that for how good Akane is, she is still a "beginner".
確かに彼女が実際に基礎を失ったかは微妙だよね。だって実際に落語家になったのはちょっとの間だけだし。どっちかっていうと、単に知らなかっただけって感じ。それも納得できると思う。緊張してるときは、客層を確認するべきって頭では分かってても、そういう簡単なことでも頭からすっぽ抜けることあるし。誰も教えてくれなかったら、自分が何を間違えてるか気づかないままかもね。あかねがどれだけ上手くても、まだ「初心者」ってことを忘れちゃいけないと思う。普通くん
ButterIsMyLifeblood
Adding to this what Akane doesn’t know/hasn’t been taught are almost all either in performance skills or the general behind the scenes social things (I.e kibataraki or how to address your seniors). Her “actual” rakugo skills are what she and Shiguma focused on. Akane’s memory and enunciation are top notch but that’s only a part of what makes a rakugoka.
それに加えてあかねが知らん/教わってないのは、ほぼ全部「演じる技術」か「舞台裏の社交スキル」(ex. 気配りとか先輩への呼び方)やんな。彼女の「実質的な」落語の腕前は、自分と志ぐまが重点的にやってきたとこや。あかねの記憶力と発声は超一流やけど、それだけじゃ落語家として足りん部分が多いンゴwww2ちゃん
Countingmypennies
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She hasn't Lost any fundamentals. It's Just she's not in the Arakawa School yet. So she's not used to performing. So there will be Things she didn't learn yet, either from performing or from lessons. Meeting the needs of The audience for one. Is a Thing she learned from working in the Isakaya early on in the show. Not a Thing taught to her by her master. It stuck to her thru real experience, so it's harder to forget, even in a pressured situation. She's got a solid foundation as a Rakugoka. She's known the basics well for years after all.
彼女の基礎力は何一つ落ちていない。ただ、まだ荒川教室に所属していないから、高座に慣れていないだけだ。だから、高座での経験や指導を通じてまだ学んでいないこともあるはず。例えば観客のニーズに応えるというのは、作中初期の居酒屋での仕事を通じて身につけたスキルであって、師匠から教わったものではない。リアルな経験で染みついたものだから、プレッシャーのかかる状況でも忘れにくい。彼女は噺家として確かな土台を持っている。何年も基礎をしっかり叩き込んできたのだから。考察くん
BosuW
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I agree with your take on Akane's motivations, although I'll add that your dream becoming tainted by revenge is definitely a risk to keep an eye out for. Reminded me a bit of how[Attack on Titan] Eren always wanted to join the Survey Corps, but after the Shiganshina attack he started fighting to destroy the enemy, not to see the outside world, and even he knows it. I will say though, this won't be too dramatic if Akane doesn't loose her cool at least a little bit, in the interview if not the performance (if she wins). So I'm expecting a twist of direction in some manner.
あかねの動機については同意だね。ただ、復讐で夢が濁るリスクは確かに注意すべきポイントだと思う。思い出したのは進撃の巨人のエレンで、最初は調査兵団に入りたかったけど、シガンシナ襲撃後は外の世界を見るためじゃなく敵を倒すために戦うようになって、本人も自覚してた。でもあかねの場合、インタビューか本番(勝ったとしても)で冷静さを失わなければそこまで劇的にはならないと思う。だから何かしら方向転換の展開を予想してる。普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
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Yes, I agree that the interview probably won't go without any drama. Probably triggered at least by an answer from Issho. I was just talking about how Koguma said, Akane became a Rakugoka for revenge. Revenge is probably a factor here, but from what we've seen, Akane would have probably become one even without that incident. And as some pointed out, it might just Koguma projecting himself onto Akane.
せやな、インタビューは絶対揉めるやろな。一翔の回答が引き金になるんやろな。ワイが言いたかったのは、小熊が「あかねは復讐のために落語家になった」って言ったことやねん。復讐も要素の一つやけど、あの事件がなくてもあかねは落語家になってたやろうな。つーか、小熊が自分をあかねに重ねてるだけって説も草。2ちゃん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
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bunbun777
There's not going to be a dry eye in the house next episode.
次回はみんな涙腺崩壊だね。普通くん
Tonebriz
I'm excited to see if(?), or rather how Akane will implement the original ending of Jugemu
あかねが「寿限無」のオリジナルエンディングをどう再現するのか、楽しみすぎるンゴwww2ちゃん
BuckeyeBentley
Rie hit that "Shiny Blade!" exactly like a Megumin "Explosion!!"
リエの「シャイニーブレード!」がめっちゃめぐみんの「エクスプロージョン!!」と同じノリで笑ったッ!最高すぎる!感情くん
ali94127
I imagine Hikaru is also tired of fans expecting her to shout Shiny Blade at every live appearance.
ヒカルも毎回ライブで「シャイニーブレード!」って叫ぶのを期待されるのに飽きてそうだよね。普通くん
Shadow_Ass
explosion! Shiny Blade! Hearing one of my favorite voice actresses doing Rakugo and showing off her range was nice.
爆発!シャイニーブレード!推し声優の一人が落語やってて声の幅を見せつけてくれたの最高すぎるッ!エモい!!感情くん
Izanaginookami10
I'm genuinely surprised by how much I look forward to the next episode each time. It's to the point I want to jump on the manga, but I must refrain myself at least until anime ends. I feel like it would be worth it.
毎回次回が楽しみで仕方なくて驚いてるわ。マンガに手を出したいくらいだけど、アニメが終わるまでは我慢しようと思ってる。それだけの価値はありそうだしね。普通くん
Countingmypennies
Akane Banashi will have a Second part. So you will have to wait a bit longer.
あかね噺の第二部決まったってよ。ちょっと待たされるンゴwww2ちゃん
xbolt90
I mean, I'd watch Eden's Nova. Hikaru gives an emotional performance, drawing from her experience as a professional VA. I'd say she's definitely more than just a pretty face! Akane starts her second performance of Jugemu subdued and relaxing. I fully expect she's priming the audience to hit them with the tragedy in the alternate ending.
エデンズノヴァは普通に観たいな。ひかるはプロ声優としての経験を活かした感情的な演技がすごいし、ただの可愛いだけじゃないと思う。あかねは2回目の寿限無を落ち着いた感じで始めてるね。多分、観客を油断させてからもう一つの結末の悲劇でぶっ叩くつもりなんじゃないかな。普通くん
fansi2022
Akane starts her second performance of Jugemu subdued and relaxing. I fully expect she's priming the audience to hit them with the tragedy in the alternate ending.
あかねが2回目の寿限無を抑えめに始めたンゴね。観客を油断させてから別バージョンの悲劇ぶち込むつもりやろなwww2ちゃん
KajarRanginLaya
Akane starts her second performance of Jugemu subdued and relaxing. So basically Akane is doing "LoFi Rakugo Radio - Beats to Relax to"
あかねが2回目の寿限無を落ち着いた感じで始めたんだな。つまり「LoFi落語ラジオ〜リラックスするためのビート」みたいな感じだね。普通くん
Countingmypennies
I mean, Akane is a lot of Things, but passive isn't one of them. So yeah, Akane will give us a great performance to watch.
わかるッ!あかねは色んな要素あるけど、受け身なキャラじゃないよな。だからこそ最高のパフォーマンス見せてくれるんだろうなァ!楽しみすぎるッ!感情くん
runevault
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I'm a little sad Hikaru's performance got less screen time, but it was still really good. I stand by what I said last week that I think she or Akane win, and Issho's compliments cemented that for me. He started harsh and then went for strong compliments, where as last episode it was more a back handed compliment before criticism. Also I find it fascinating that we're seeing Akane's performance split over two episodes. Clearly she's got a gear shift coming and they want the split to highlight that fact, but still a pretty bold choice. God I love this show.
ひかるの演目があまり尺もらえなかったのはちょっと残念だけど、それでもすごく良かった。先週言った通り、優勝するのはひかるかあかねだと思う。一翔の褒め方がそれを確信させてくれたよ。最初は厳しくて、その後ガッツリ褒めてきた。前回は批判の前に皮肉っぽい褒め方だったからな。あと、あかねの演目を2話に分けてるのがすごく興味深い。明らかに彼女にギアチェンジが来るし、それを強調するための分割だと思うけど、かなり大胆な選択だよな。この作品、本当に大好きだ。普通くん
eightcheesepizza
I stand by what I said last week that I think she or Akane win I can see it making sense if the only person who can stand up to secretly-trained-by-rakugokas Akane is a professional voice actress.
確かに!先週も言ったけど彼女かあかねが勝つと思うんだよね。裏で落語家に育てられたあかねに対抗できるのってプロの声優だけって考えると納得すぎるッ!感情くん
ohoni
I like the way they broke it up, they got through the build-up, now what does she have cooking?
あの構成の仕方好きだな。伏線はしっかり回収したし、次は彼女が何を仕込んでくるのか楽しみだね。普通くん
NanDemoKnaives
I thought it was sweet how concerned Koguma was for Akane, he does seem to have the strongest emotional reaction when worrying about her, out of the three older brother apprentices that have looked after her.  Hikaru's rakugo was interesting to see with it being on the more dramatic side. Looks like there wasn't any need to worry about Isshou's reaction to the story since he responded well.
小グマが茜のことめっちゃ心配してて草生えたわwww 三人の兄弟子の中でも特に感情的に反応してるやん、ガチで良い奴やな。ヒカルの落語はドラマチック路線で新鮮やったで。一章の反応も上々で、心配する必要なかったンゴね。2ちゃん
Bassaluna
they didn't give hikaru the whole episode, but i liked the way the flashback works with the story, by showing her practice the part that she then does when they cut back to the present. and ehi, we got to see a couple moments from her anime, that's also cool. and lol, kaisei teasing akane in the post-ending segment was also funny
光のエピソードは1話丸々もらえなかったけど、回想で今のシーンとリンクする形で練習シーンを見せる構成は良かったな。あと彼女のアニメのシーンもちょっと見れたのは嬉しかった。ED後のカイセイがあかねをからかうシーンも笑えたわ。普通くん
SYZekrom
7 hour relaxing rakugo ASMR
まじで7時間の落語ASMRとかやばくない!?笑 めっちゃリラックスできそうじゃん〜 寝る前に聴きたいわギャル
LoopyChew
Anime Soothing Minds with Rakugo
確かに、落語で心が癒される感じ、分かるな。あかね噺のあのゆったりした空気感がいいよね。普通くん
FarCritical
It's cool how even a little smile and nod from can feel surprisingly reassuring when it's from someone as taciturn as Koguma. I'll be impressed Akane's secret weapon doesn't involve speed rapping the behemoth of a name again except with extra crispy enunciation this time, but either way, the hype meter is overflowing like crazy.
熊谷みたいな無口な奴がちょっと笑って頷くだけでめっちゃ安心できるのわかるわ。茜の隠し玉、前回みたいな長台詞を超高速で噛まずに言い直すだけだったら逆にすげえけど、どっちにしろ期待値爆上がりやばすぎンゴwww2ちゃん
Countingmypennies
The great Thing about Rakugo is that any performer can Tell the same story in many different ways.
落語のいいところって、同じ話でも演者によって全然違う語り口になるんだよね。普通くん
Aileos
Arakawa really didn't like being mistaken for a high school student. 💀
笑ったww 荒川さん、高校生に間違われてめっちゃ嫌そうだったなwww あの反応エグすぎるw💀感情くん
Shimmering-Sky
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That anime Hikaru voices in does look kinda cool. Hm… does that put her at a disadvantage? Oh, right… that’s the same story Akane’s dad performed at his last performance… Aw damn, she overheard that… Hikaru “sore demo”! Wow , that’s incredibly high praise. Assuming he actually means it. Oh boy, it’s Akane’s turn… Koguma thinks she’s going to lose? This got a dark chuckle out of me. She must have some sort of plan.
光るが声を担当しているあのアニメ、確かに面白そうだな。待てよ…これって彼女に不利になるんじゃないか?ああ、そうか…茜の父親が最後の高座で演じた噺と同じ話か…しかもそれを茜が聞いてしまったのか…光るの「それでも」!これは本当に高い評価だな。彼が本気で言ってるならの話だが。さて、いよいよ茜の出番か…小熊は負けると思ってる?ここで思わず苦笑いが出た。何か策があるんだろうな。考察くん
Jai137
assuming he actually means it This is an amateur Rakugo competition. He’s a lot less harsher here than in a more serious competition. (Also you could read between the lines and hear that he isnt really impressed)
彼が本気で言ってるなら、これはアマチュア落語の大会だしね。もっと本気の大会に比べたらかなり甘い評価だよ。(でも、行間を読めば、そこまで感動してないのがわかるよね)普通くん
doomrider7
Yeah like Kaisei said, he's NEVER this polite when he's actually training people.
せやな、快晴が言う通り、アイツ普段指導する時は絶対こんな丁寧やないンゴwww2ちゃん
Frontier246
Average day in the life of Rie Takahashi doing a magical girl show. Honestly the fact that Hikaru was able to stand out to Issho with the same story her dad did that basically kicked off the plot...forget Karashi, it really feels like it's Akane vs Hikaru at this point.
高橋李依が魔法少女ものやってる日常って感じだね。正直、ヒカルが父親と同じ話で一翔に印象づけてプロットを動かしたって事実…辛子は置いといて、もう完全にあかねvsヒカルの構図になってる気がする。普通くん
ErikTwice
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Wow , that’s incredibly high praise. Assuming he actually means it. While better than what Karashi got last time, I understand his praise as a respectful but ultimately backhanded compliment. He lays down an argument that invalidates Hikaru's whole performance: It's a story about a married couple and she, being young, is not capable of capturing its essence. In other words, her portrayal is insincere. The way he phrases it makes it seem like she was an exception to that rule, but he actually doubles down on it. He praises her "proficiency" and "emotional performance", which is a way of saying she's workmanlike. That is, according to Issho, Hikaru is trying to cover up her performance's lack of substance through her skills . I can't really tell - I don't speak Japanese - but his wording of "performer" also implies he's not praising her as a rakugoka. He recognizes she's skilled, but that only makes it more apparent that he doesn't think her rakugo was great. I think I understand Issho better now. His criticism of Hikaru is the he has of Karashi: That they miss the true substance of rakugo and focus on superficial elements - playing a "serious" role, "fixing" the classics, etc. I can also see this is what he hated of Akane's dad performance.
おお、めっちゃ評価高いやん……でも本人が本気で言ってるかは微妙やな。前回のカラシよりはマシやけど、結局はリスペクトしつつも裏のある褒め方やと思うわ。一言で言うと「お前の演じ方は本物ちゃう」って暗に言ってるんや。ヒカルが若すぎて夫婦の話の本質を掴めてない、つまり不誠実やと。一見例外扱いしてるように見せかけて、実は断言してるんやで。「技量」と「感情表現」を褒めてるのは「職人芸」って意味や。つまり一翔から見たらヒカルは「技術で中身のなさを誤魔化してる」ってことやな。日本語わからんから断言はできんけど、「演者」って言葉を使った時点で「落語家」として褒めてないのは明らかや。技術は認めるけど、それだけに落語自体は大したことないと思ってるのが透けて見えるわ。一翔の考えがようやくわかってきたわ。ヒカルへの批判はカラシと同じで「落語の本質を無視して表面だけ取り繕ってる」ってことや。「シリアスな役」や「古典の改変」に固執するあたり、あかねの親父の時も嫌ってた要素やな。2ちゃん
Jacob-C
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I actually hope that this is the case and that he didn't really like the performance. Karashi is at least very knowledgeable about Rakugo and the classic stories, even more so than Akane if we count last episode's Akane Small Talk. I would hate for a tourist to sweep the floor with two people who have actually studied the art thoroughly just because the audience has preconceived biases and Issho wants to reach a younger demographic. Hikaru did put in a lot of effort, I'm not downplaying that, but for her to win? That would feel like it invalidates the dedication of our other two contenders. Edit: I am also not saying that Karashi deserves to win. He discarded a lot of crucial aspects of the original story in his rework. I just feel like he deserves it more than Hikaru. Seeing Issho smiling at Akane's performance gives me high hopes. However, there is also a high chance of Akane failing to completely knock his mask off. He might still choose Karashi or Hikaru because they cater more to a younger audience in his eyes.
実際そうであってほしいな。彼が本当にあのパフォーマンスを気に入ってなかったってことなら。カラシは少なくとも落語と古典についてすごく詳しいし、前回のあかね小噺を考慮すればあかねより詳しいくらいだ。ただの観光客が、観客の先入観やIsshoが若い層を狙ってるってだけで、ちゃんと芸を学んできた二人を蹴散らすのは嫌だな。ヒカルも努力してるのは認めるけど、彼女が勝つのは他の二人の献身を無視する感じがする。 追記: カラシが勝つべきだと言ってるわけじゃない。彼は原作の重要な要素をかなり捨ててるし。ただヒカルよりはカラシの方がふさわしいと思う。Isshoがあかねのパフォーマンスに笑顔を見せたのは希望が持てる。でもあかねが彼の仮面を完全に剥がせない可能性も高い。Isshoの目にはカラシかヒカルの方が若い層に響くように映るかもしれないからね。普通くん
DuesAJ
I wouldn't say Hikaru is a tourist since this is supposed to be an amateur competition for people in the "wading pool" of the rakugo world. Both her and Karashi share a very shallow understanding of the stories they are telling. And I believe that's the point since part of Akane's training for the competition has been to learn more about the stories she's telling.
せやな、ヒカルを「観光客」呼ばわりは違うわな。これアマチュア大会やし、二人とも噺の理解が浅いってのがミソやろ。あかねが大会に向けて噺の勉強してるのと対照的やな。2ちゃん
Jacob-C
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But, they are the finalists, and I am comparing them to Akane who is being trained in Rakugo. I wouldn’t say that Karashi has a shallow understanding of the stories, he just doesn’t care about the orginals as long as he gets laughs out of the audience. He has known every story by name, he knows how they’re usually told, and in Akane Small Talk (not sure if that can be seen as canon, but at least it’s supposed to reflect the character) he showed that he was very knowledgeable.
確かに彼らは決勝進出者だし、今は落語を習ってるあかねと比べてるんだよね。辛子は物語の理解が浅いわけじゃなくて、笑いが取れれば原作はどうでもいいってタイプだと思う。話のタイトルは全部知ってるし、通常の語り方も把握してる。あかね噺(これが公式設定かはわからないけど、少なくともキャラを反映してるはず)では、彼がかなり知識豊富なのを見せてたしね。普通くん
DuesAJ
The Akane Small Talk shows he read a lot of the stories and has a lot of mechanical knowledge about them, but has an impersonal relationship with them. That's why I described it as shallow. Knowing how much money is found in Shibahama is a lot less important than knowing what it's like to be married when telling the story.
「あかね小咄」を見ると、彼は多くの噺を読んでいて、それらに関する機械的な知識は豊富だが、作品との間に個人的な繋がりが欠けていることが分かる。だからこそ、僕はそれを「浅い」と評したんだ。噺を語る上で、芝浜にいくら金があったか知っていることより、結婚しているとはどういうことかを理解していることの方が遥かに重要だという考察ができる。考察くん
Jacob-C
I get your point, and I agree to an extent. However, I am more of the opinion that I think he understands more than just technical details but doesn’t care for them. He can’t see how they will improve his chances of making the audience laugh. This will probably be a learning point for him if he’s a recurring character.
せやな、お前の言いたいことはわかるで。でもワイはむしろ、アイツは技術的なこと以上に色々理解しとるけど、そんなもん気にしてへんと思うンゴ。笑いを取るのに役立つとは思えへんからやろな。もしレギュラーキャラなら、ここで学ぶとこやろな。2ちゃん
ErikTwice
The best example of Karashi's shallowness comes from the extras at the end. He starts out with some reasonable modernizations like using metric rather than traditional measurements but he soon starts arguing about replacing poetic phrases like "around teatime" with "12:30 PM", completely missing the beauty of the wording.
辛子の浅はかさを象徴するのが、エンディング後のおまけシーンだよな。最初は伝統的な単位からメートル法への変更とか、合理的な近代化案を出してるんだけど、すぐに「お茶の時間」みたいな詩的な表現を「午後12時30分」に置き換えようと主張し始める。言葉の美しさを完全に見落としてるんだよな。これはキャラクターの価値観の限界を示す伏線だと思われる。考察くん
ErikTwice
I frankly thought that Karashi's rework sucked. His "BM/Bowel Movement" replacement is extremely convoluted (Discount stamps? Seriously?) and turns a story about pride and class into a crass joke. He is funny - the animation is hilarious here, too - but I feel he commits all the sins Hikaru does but worse.
確かに辛子の改変は微妙だったな。BMの代わりに割引スタンプって…かなり無理やりじゃん?誇りや階級の話を下品なギャグにしちゃってる。アニメの動きは面白いけど、ヒカルと同じ過ちをより悪い形で犯してる気がするわ。普通くん
Roboglenn
Wake up manga fans, release the doves, it's the Hikaru episode!!! Or not entirely. The last guy got a full episode dedicated to him and Hikaru only gets half. Huh... Oh you think the show is over Mr. Smartypants Karashi. Oh no, the party has only just begun. Hikaru didn't even get to do the Akane Small Talk after credits scene either...
草ァ!マンガ勢は待ってたで!ヒカル回キター!!!……かと思いきや半分だけかよ。前の奴はフルで回もらってたのにヒカルは半端やん。あ?もう終わったと思ったか?カラシのインテリ野郎。まだまだこれからやで。しかもエンドロール後のあかね噺コーナーすら無いしな…ワイ涙目やわ2ちゃん
sesaman
This episode just flew by! I really want to see the full Jugemu performance, I was eyeing the episode length today and saw it's not gonna happen so wasn't too disappointed.
うわ、この回あっという間だったじゃん!?笑 フルでJugemuの演目見たかったんだけどさ〜今日の放送時間見て無理だってわかってたからそこまでガッカリはしてないかな!ギャル
Doomroar
原文
You know what yeah, i have been noticing that all these new anime voice actress are ironically quite good looking too, so maybe those girls are onto something You may think that visual appearance wouldn't have nothing to do with their job, but maybe i was being naive It similar to how it is turning out that all those big breasted Vtubers, also are hot big breasted women in real life You guys think Issho genuinely meant what he told Hikaru, or was he just giving her lip service to secure a popular face to promote rakugo? Lol at Karashi thinking Hikaru will come after him after we were told she got the biggest crowd reaction of the day, and that's without Akane performing
確かに気づいてたんだよ。最近の新人女性声優、皮肉なほどみんなルックスも良いんだよな。見た目と仕事の能力は無関係だと思ってたけど、俺が甘かったのかも。巨乳VTuberが実生活でも巨乳美女だったって話と同じ構図だな。 一佐はヒカルに言ったこと本心だったと思う?それとも落語の人気顔を確保するためのリップサービスだったのか?笑ったのが辛子だよ。あかねが演じてないのに、ヒカルがその日の最大の反応を得たって言われた後で、自分にケンカ売ってくると思ってるんだから。考察くん
PerfectBeige
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You guys think Issho genuinely meant what he told Hikaru, or was he just giving her lip service to secure a popular face to promote rakugo? My impression is that Issho expelled Tooru and his class as a publicity stunt, and is now praising Hikaru and Karashi because he knows how important it is to encourage interest in rakugo among the youth by praising the popular young performers. He seems to be very aware that rakugo is in danger of becoming irrelevant given competing modern media, and willing to do almost anything to maintain interest in the art. Both with Karashi and Hikaru, he starts off with a criticism that sounds like his honest feelings and then converts it into a compliment that will appeal to the crowd. Issho seems to be all about controlling the crowd even when he is not on stage.
一翔がヒカルに言ったこと、本心だったと思う?それとも若い人気者を使って落語を宣伝するためのリップサービスだったのかな。俺の印象だと、一翔はトオルたちのクラスを追い出したのもパフォーマンスで、今ヒカルやカラシを褒めてるのは、若い人気演者を称えることで若者の落語への興味を引き出す重要性を理解してるからだと思う。彼は現代のメディアに押されて落語が廃れかけてるのをよく自覚してて、その関心を維持するためなら何でもする覚悟がある感じ。カラシにもヒカルにも、最初は本音っぽい批判から入って、最後は観客受けする褒め言葉に変換してるし。一翔は舞台上じゃなくても、常に観客をコントロールしようとしてるんだろうな。普通くん
BosuW
Ohhh that would definitely put John Rakugo into villain territory and Akane would be triple pissed off if it turns out "I expelled your father and his whole generation as a political move".
おーそれ完全にジョン落語を悪役ポジションに押し上げるやんwww 「政治的な動きでお前の父親とその世代全員を追い出したんだ」って判明したらあかねマジでブチギレ三重増しやろな 草2ちゃん
ObvsThrowaway5120
Man, just when it was getting good they end the episode. I wanna see how she’s gonna rise to the challenge with this same bit. Seems right now she’s easing the audience in after that performance by Hikaru.
ちょうど盛り上がってきたところで終わっちゃったな。このネタでどう立ち回るのか見たいよ。今のところ、ヒカルみたいなパフォーマンスの後で観客を慣らしてる感じだね。普通くん
thisisdropd
原文
Most of the stories we've seen so far were comedies. However, now we've learnt that it's possible to perform a dramatic Rakugo. Hikaru did well to choose a story that utilised her VA skills. Unlike the twice-defending champion Karashi or Akane, who's trained by a professional, Hikaru's a complete newbie to the world of Rakugo as well as an autodidact. It's quite the accomplishment for her to be one of the Karaku Cup frontrunners. After two intense performances by Karashi & Hikaru, Akane's performance was rather subdued, even more than her in the prelims. Both her rivals thought she threw the match however her seniors knew better. Turned out the muted performance was deliberate. The audience would be overwhelmed were she to match their mood. A relaxed one was just what the doctor ordered. She did well to read the room and tailor her performance accordingly. The stint at the izakaya really did Akane wonders. Without it, she'd instead try to one-up the intensity, which would backfire hard on her.
これまでの演目はほとんどがコメディだったが、ここにきて「劇的な落語」の可能性が示されたな。ヒカルは自身の声優スキルを活かせる演目を選んだ点で上手く立ち回った。2連覇中の辛子やプロ師匠に師事するあかねと違い、ヒカルは落語界の完全な素人であり独学。彼女が華楽杯の有力候補の一人に名を連ねているのは、かなりの快挙だ。辛子とヒカルの激しい高座が続いた後、あかねの演技は予選以上に抑えめに感じられた。両ライバルは彼女が捨てたと思ったが、先輩方の目はごまかせなかった。あの抑制された演技は意図的だったんだ。観客のテンションに合わせて張り合えば圧倒されてしまう。緩やかな空気こそが最適解だった。場を読んで演目を調整した判断は見事だ。居酒屋での修行はあかねにとって大きな収穫だったな。あれがなければ激しさで上回ろうとして、逆に裏目に出ていただろう。考察くん
Frontier246
Hikaru's biggest weapon is being basically anime Rie Takahashi, and she used that to her advantage in the most effective way possible.
光の最大の武器は、実質的にアニメ版の高橋李依ってことだよね。それを最大限に活用してたのがすごかった。普通くん
JJVM99
原文
It probably isn't the case but my first reaction to Koragi doing the same story as Akane's dad was her provoking Akane and trying to get her to lose focus because of that. It is probably not the case but that was my first thought. Enjoyed the running order discussion that stuff really matters in general especially in long performances and Akane got the worst running order possible but overall if Karashi, Koragi and Akane were the standout performers in the first round having them all perform in a row instead of being split up is terrible management by the organizer in charge of deciding the running order. Let's see next episode if Akane's Jugemu beats to chill with strategy works out.
小噺がアカネの父と同じネタやった件、ワイの第一印象は「アカネ挑発して集中力削ごうとしてるんちゃうか」やったわ。実際は違うやろけどな。でも走り順の話はガチで重要やと思うわ。特に長い演目ではな。アカネは最悪の順番引いたけど、カラシ・小噺・アカネが1回戦の目玉やったのに連続で固めるのは主催側の采配ミスやろ。次回、アカネの「寿限無」で冷ます作戦がハマるか見ものやな。2ちゃん
doomrider7
Nah, she had to perform the story for the opening round and no one knows the connection because of the different names.
いや、彼女は開幕戦でその話を演じなきゃいけなかったんだよ。名前が違うから誰も関連性に気づかなかったんだよね。普通くん
Cyouni
I believe most people switch stories between the two rounds. Though maybe I'm just confusing that due to the fact that they emphasized the difficulty of Akane having to perform Jugemu both times.
確かに!多分みんな2ラウンドで話変えてるよね。でもあかねが毎回ジュゲムを演じなきゃいけない難しさを強調してたから、俺が混乱してるだけかも。しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
ohoni
It would at the very least be better for Akane if she could do two stories, since she can do two really well, but it does make sense for there to be repeats in an amateur show, since most of the performers would have a very limited repertoire of quality performances.
確かにあかねは2つの話を両方とも完璧にこなせるから、それができれば少なくとも彼女にとっては有利だよね。でもアマチュアの寄席ならレパートリー限られてる演者が多いから、ネタ被りがあるのも納得だな。普通くん
ali94127
These guys are like the final 8 in the competition, so it's more likely than not that everyone left has to be able to do two stories. Akane herself specifically had to plan to make her first Jugemu story all about belting out the name as fast as possible to save her real performance for the final round.
せやな、もう決勝残っとる連中やし、全員2ネタ用意しとるのが当たり前やろ。あかね自身も最初の寿限無は名前連呼で時間稼ぎして、本番は決勝に温存する戦略やったんやな。2ちゃん
Jacob-C
they emphasized the difficulty of Akane having to perform Jugemu both times. This. Everyone also reacted to Karashi and Hikaru's performances as if it was their first time seeing them do it.
確かに。あかねが二回も寿限無をやらなきゃいけない大変さを強調してたのが良かったね。辛子とひかるの演目も初めて見るみたいなリアクションだったのも面白かった。普通くん
Countingmypennies
It's just a coincidence. Remember that each performer has to do the same story twice. And Hikaru didn't know Akane by the first day. She even tried searching for her on the internet and found nothing. So there's nothing she could do to mess up Akane's mindset. Hikaru's choice stems from her being a Voice actress. Meaning she chose Shibahama so her Skills as a voice actress could shine.
ただの偶然やで。各演者が同じ話を2回やらなあかんってのを忘れたらアカン。しかもヒカルは初日はあかねのこと知らんかったんや。ネットで調べても何も出てこんかったしな。つまり、あかねのメンタルを乱すことはできんかったわけや。ヒカルの選択は声優としてのスキルを活かすためのもんやろ。つまり芝浜を選んだのは声優としての実力を輝かせるためってことやな。2ちゃん
Cyouni
I hope I'm not the only one who loves the vibe and banter between Koguma and Iwa-sensei and thinks they'd make a great couple.
コグマとイワ先生の空気感と掛け合いが好きで、いいカップルになりそうって思ってるのは俺だけじゃないといいな。普通くん
doomrider7
They really are very shippable aren't they. :3
やばくね!?この2人めっちゃ推せるじゃん!!てかめっちゃカップル感あるし!:3ギャル
lordredegg
the thing about watching seasonal anime is that how I hate waiting for a week for the continuation, especially if the show is as interesting as this one.
確かに週1待つのきついよな。特にあかね噺みたいに面白い作品だと尚更だわ。普通くん
HuTaosTwinTails
I could listen to Rie talk forever. Wish they didn't interrupt her rakugo so much, but it was still a great half episode of her.
わかるッ!りえの語りずっと聞いてられる。途中で噺が遮られるのちょっと残念だったけど、それでも彼女の半話は最高すぎた!感情くん
KumaKumaGambler
Akane brought the relaxed atmosphere performance to the in-universe audience and to us viewers. I now look forward to what surprising move Akane will pull off next episode!
あかねがリラックスした雰囲気のパフォーマンスを作品中の観客と視聴者に見せてくれたね。次回、あかねがどんな驚きの一手を見せてくれるか楽しみだよ!普通くん
RehabCenterInc
I can’t be the only one who immediately clocked Megumin at the start of the episode
え、最初っからめぐみんって気づいたの私だけじゃないよね!?やばくね!?ギャル
tapdancinghellspawn
Following two great performances, Akane takes the stage. She should be overwhelmed but she has the heart of a lioness. I love how she adjusted her performance to match the energy of the audience and I can't wait to see what she does now that she has drawn them in. Next week is going to be awesome, I just can tell.
あかねの出番キター!前の2人の演目がクソすごかったのに、全然ビビってないやん。マジで獅子の心臓持ちすぎやろwww 客のノリに合わせて演目調整するあたりガチで天才。もう客引き込んだし、次週何やらかすかマジで楽しみすぎるンゴ。絶対神回くるわこれ。2ちゃん
Wokco30
RIERI 🗣️😭👏
RIERIの演技がやばすぎる😭👏普通くん
generictypo
Hikaru with her emotional delivery of each line is definitely pro level acting. Or at least they presented it really well. But kind of messed up how she pulled up that story that Akane's dad used in that controversial day. Hard to not think that it's on purpose, even if the story fits Hikaru's style pretty well.
光るの一言一言に込められた感情表現は、まさにプロ級の演技だったと言える。少なくとも、制作陣の見せ方は秀逸だった。ただ、あの物語があかねの父が物議を醸した日に使った話だと明かすのは、意図的だとしか思えない。たとえその話が光るのスタイルに合っていたとしても、伏線としての重みが感じられるな。考察くん
mekerpan
She did not know anything (or not much) about Akane before the competition started. She would have been practicing for her performance long beforehand. Even if she found out about Akane's father, she couldn't have instantly switched to such a complex ninjo banashi.
彼女はコンテストが始まる前はあかねのことをあまり知らなかったんだよね。でも自分の出し物の練習はずっと前からしてたはず。もしあかねの父親のことを知ったとしても、そんな複雑な人情噺に即座に切り替えるのは無理だと思う。普通くん
generictypo
That's true. If anything, maybe she saw the performance of Akane's dad that day and was inspired by it. And maybe she's after the same thing.
確かに!むしろあの日あかねのパパのパフォーマンス見てインスパイアされたんじゃね?で、同じものを追い求めてるのかもね〜ギャル
AceSoldia
Really good one..I'm excited to see how it goes next week
確かに良かったね。来週どうなるか楽しみだ普通くん
PencilgonGiveIt2Ya
HELLO?! MOM? I'M JUST CALLING TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.....IT'S SATURDAY AND THE NEWEST AKANE-BANASHI EPISODE JUST DROPPED!!! (┛◉Д◉)┛
もしもし!?ママ?!今日は土曜日で、新しい『あかね噺』のエピソードが来たって伝えたくて電話したんだよ!!!(┛◉Д◉)┛感情くん
Countingmypennies
There's something some people may not have realized. So i hope It helps. This is a rakugo competition. Being amateur or not doesn't matter. What matters is the very essence of The competition. And that it's a Rakugo competition.
気づいていない人もいるかもしれないが、これは落語の大会だ。アマチュアかどうかは関係ない。大事なのは大会の本質そのものであり、それが落語の競技会であるという点だ。この構造を踏まえると、参加者の技量よりも「落語としての完成度」が評価軸になるという考察ができる。考察くん
Relampago1995
Hikaru worked incredibly hard to get where she is and she deserves it; it's a shame she had to compete in the same tournament as Akane.
まじでヒカルめっちゃ努力して今のとこまで来たんだよね!それだけで尊敬するわ〜 でもアカネと同じ大会で戦わなきゃいけなかったのはちょっとかわいそうじゃない?笑ギャル
fuentesl
Loved how this episode ended, can’t wait for next week!
このエピソードの終わり方めっちゃ好きだわ、来週が待ちきれない!普通くん
actuallyrndthoughts
Last few episodes are spinning it's wheels and ruining the pacing to add nothingburger scenes like the basic commentary and flashbacks existing to fill the runtime because can't have an episode get too exciting. It's doubly frustrating because it feels like there's a good story there, that's shackled by beinng a shounen manga adaptation
ここ数話は明らかに尺稼ぎで、ただの基本的な解説や回想シーンを入れてテンポを悪くしてる。盛り上がりすぎないようにしてるんだろうな。良いストーリーが確かにあるのに、少年漫画のアニメ化という制約に縛られてる感じがして、そのフラストレーションが倍増する。考察くん