#10あかね噺
放送 2026-06-06更新 2026-06-08
WhoiusBarrel
Best episode by far, from that punchline of Jugemu surviving to the last boss himself giving Akane the most definitive review that she's blown the competition out of the water. That smile he gave after Akane finally asked her burning question, he knew he had created a demon from his actions.
今までで一番いい回だったな。ジュゲムが生き残ったオチから、ラスボス本人があかねに「お前が圧倒的に勝った」って最高のレビューをくれるところまで全部良かった。あかねがついにあの熱い質問をした後の彼の笑顔、自分の行動で悪魔を作り出したって自覚してたんだね。普通くん
LakerBlue
Yea they set us up to think Akane would use the bad ending but she didn’t! The delivery on “you…know you don’t belong here, right?” Gave me chills. It was such an indirect but firm acknowledgment of her performance.
せやな、ワイらはみんなあかねがバッドエンド使うと思わされてたのに使わへんかったんやな!「あんた…ここにいるべき人間じゃないってわかってるんでしょ?」の言い回しがガチで鳥肌モンやったわ。間接的やけど確固たるパフォーマンスの認知やったンゴねぇ…草2ちゃん
Frontier246
Everyone, even some of her own ani-san's, underestimated her but she was really punching below her weight in this competition and now her rivals have to face that.
みんな、彼女の兄さんたちでさえ彼女を過小評価してたけど、今回の競技会では本当に実力以上に抑えてたんだよ。今やライバルたちはその事実と向き合わなきゃいけなくなったね。普通くん
Countingmypennies
Exactly. I mean, she would obviously win, not cuz she's mc and not out of favoritism. But simply cuz she performed pure Rakugo while Karashi and Hikaru brought outside influence to their performances. Turning their Rakugo Into something else. And It was a Rakugo competition, so obviously, the one who performs the better Rakugo that had more Rakugo Into It than anything else would win.
まさにその通りだ。彼女が勝つのは主人公補正や贔屓じゃない。単純に、からしや光が外部の影響を取り入れて落語を別物に変えてしまったのに対し、彼女は純粋な落語を披露したからだ。落語の大会なんだから、より落語らしさを保った演目が評価されるのは当然という考察ができる。考察くん
CitronClassic672
原文
I think I must be in the minority then because I feel the episode kinda struggled in conveying Akane’s skill compared to her compared to the other performances. Or maybe it’s more that what apparently is considered a “skilled rakugo performance” isn’t exactly what I in my uninformed opinion would consider as such. I guess I don’t vibe with the whole “performance so good you forget it’s a performance” style.
俺は少数派なのかもだけど、このエピソードはあかねの技術を他の演者と比べてうまく伝えきれてなかった気がする。もしかしたら俺の無知な意見だと「上手い落語」って言われるものが、自分が思うのとズレてるだけかもしれないけど。「演技って忘れるくらい上手い演技」ってスタイルにどうもピンとこないんだよな。普通くん
SongBirdplace
Really? You’ve never been so deep in an audiobook or an oral performance where you forgot the speaker? I’ve seen it done with Jack Tales. It’s like when a book is really good and you don’t come up for air.
確かに、オーディオブックや口演芸術に没頭しすぎて語り手の存在を忘れる感覚、これは作品分析において興味深い現象だな。『あかね噺』の落語描写にも通じるものがある。聴き手が演者を超越して物語世界に没入する瞬間、それはまさに高度なパフォーマンスが成立している証左と言える。ジャック・テイルズのような語り物でそれが起こるのも、優れた語り手が持つ「間」や「抑揚」の技術が観客の意識を物語に完全に同期させるからだ。書籍で言うところの「息継ぎを忘れる没入感」と同質の体験が、口演芸術でも実現可能という考察は納得できる。考察くん
CitronClassic672
From an oral performance no, but I’ve definitely gotten invested in books/manga to where I forgot I was reading a fictional story. I suppose it’s similar.
確かにw 口演じゃないけど漫画とかで没頭して現実忘れることあるわ。似たようなもんかもな笑wwwおじ
Countingmypennies
It's like the guy bellow me is saying. Akane was so good at telling the story, the characters took over. It's like when are Reading a normal book and you get so involved by It The story comes to life for you. You can see the characters, the Places and such. It's almost like a dream where you can live the story. Akane was that good.
まあ下のやつも言ってたけど、あかねの語りが上手すぎてキャラが勝手に動き出してたな。普通の本読んでて没頭すると、物語が生き生きしてくる感覚に近い。キャラや場所が目に浮かんで、夢の中でその世界を生きてるみたいになるんだよ。あかねはそれだけの実力があったってことだな。ドライおじ
Worthyness
Her rivals also don't know she was intentionally handicapped too. She only used Jugemu because it was a condition put on her by her teacher.
彼女のライバルたちも、彼女が意図的にハンデを負ってたって知らないんだよね。先生に課せられた条件で仕方なく寿限無を使っただけなんだ。普通くん
the_3rdist
The coolest thing was that during the river scene, for a moment I actually forgot it was still Akane's voice narrating the story and just got totally immersed in the story. The animation, music helps too but damn, they actually managed to show and not just tell the whole "performance so good you forgot it's a performance" thing.
川のシーン、一瞬アカネの語りっての忘れて話に没頭してたわ。アニメと音楽も良かったけど、マジで「演技が上手すぎて演技って忘れる」ってのを見せてくれたのがヤバかったンゴwww2ちゃん
Ok_Calligrapher_6797
Her VA, Nagase Anna is awesome. This season she is also voicing Kache from Needy Girl Overdose and Koyun from Ramparts of Ice. Kache and Koyon are the "depressed" and calm type, so as a fan of both shows I notice their voice being kinda similar, but Akane took me for surprise. I just realized after hearind a similar voice than the other two in one of Akane's voice changes
彼女の声優、長瀬アンナが最高だよね。今期はNeedy Girl Overdoseのカチェと氷の城壁のコユンも演じててさ。カチェとコユンは「鬱っぽい」落ち着いたタイプだから、両方のファンとして声が似てるなって思ってたんだけど、あかねは別だった。あかねの声が変わった時に他の二人と似た声を聞いて、ようやく気づいたよ。普通くん
Frontier246
Just compare her as Natsuko from Zenshu to her performance as Harley Quinn in Suicide Squad Isekai.
まじでやばくない!?『ゼンシュー』のナツコ役と『スーサイド・スクワッド異世界』のハーレイ・クイン役、同じ声優とは思えないんだけど笑 全然違うキャラすぎてやばっ!ギャル
Iamnoone2728
She also voiced Iroha in Cosmic Princess Kaguya back in Winter. That was the first role that made me realize how good she was; she's a top contender for best seiyuu of the year.
彼女、冬にやってた「コズミックプリンセスかぐや」でいろは役もやってたんだよな。あれが初めて彼女の上手さに気づかされた役でさ、今年のベスト声優候補の一人だと思うわ。普通くん
gamria
原文
For me it was the opposite: Akane's personality-type is the same as that of her breakout role, Ushio Kofune of Summer Time Rendering, so that wasn't a surprise. (Ushio was a dynamic piece of work) But Koyun... while Ushio had her kinds of sensitive depressed moments too, I wasn't able to catch that it was her with the way she held back the fire I knew her for, so an icy role like that was the surprise for me. Seiyuu are truly monsters
我が逆だったな。あかねの人格は、彼女の出世作である『サマータイムレンダ』の小舟潮と同質だったゆえ、驚きはなかった。(潮は実に躍動的な作品だった)だが小雲…潮にも繊細で沈鬱な瞬間はあったが、我が知る炎を抑え込んだ様子では、それが彼女だと看破できなかった。ゆえに氷の如き役こそ、我が驚愕の的となった。声優とはまさに怪物の領域なのだ。中二病
gst4158
Agreed. She changed her voice ever so slightly that it was no longer Akane speaking. Amazing talent. Is this show getting a dub? If so I pity the VA bc this episode has to be challenging.
マジでそれ!声をちょっと変えただけで、もうあかねの喋りじゃなくなってたんだよな。才能やばすぎじゃね!?てかこのアニメ、吹き替え版出んの?もし出るなら声優さんマジで大変そうだよね、この回まじで難易度高すぎんだけど笑ギャル
runevault
Posting again to say I watched the first 4 dubbed. I'm not going to say it is as good as the Japanese cast, but the English VAs are doing a good enough job I'm still smiling and laughing in the right spots.
最初の4話の吹き替え見たよ。日本語版には及ばないけど、英語の声優さんもちゃんと良い仕事してて、笑うとこで笑えてる。普通くん
RuffRabbit
Yep! I think it started last month on the 17th so they're a decent ways behind. Akane's Eng VA is Abby Trott who I'm not super familiar with. I'm honestly very curious to see how it'll go because my only other exposure to Jugemu in anime was the FMA gag, but in the dub they changed all the names to English ones.
確かに。追いつき具合を考えると、先月17日から始まったばかりで結構遅れがあるんだよな。あかねの英語版声優がAbby Trottで、自分はあまり詳しくないんだ。正直どうなるかすごく気になる。Jugemuのアニメでの他の経験といえば鋼の錬金術師のギャグくらいで、吹き替えでは全部名前が英語に変わってたからな。その点を踏まえると、今回の翻訳方針がどうなるか考察のしがいがある。考察くん
runevault
First 5 episodes are dubbed on Netflix. I haven't started watching them yet but intend to now that they've built up a backlog (they started with the first 2 when it first came to Netflix)
Netflixで最初の5話が吹き替え配信されてるって!最初は2話だけだったけど、まとまったから観るしかないッ!今すぐ観るわ!!感情くん
Countingmypennies
So you fell Into Akane's spell. That's exactly what she was aiming for. At least performance wise.
まじでわかる!あかねの術中にハマっちゃったじゃん笑 それが彼女の狙い通りってわけね。てかパフォーマンス的には完璧すぎでしょ!ギャル
RepulsiveRevenue8
"so you come for my throat girl, oh how long have I been waiting for someone to take me off my throne" Issho probably
「おいおい、いきなり俺の喉元に来たか。ずっと待ってたんだよ、俺を玉座から引きずり下ろしてくれる奴をな」——Isshoっぽいな普通くん
ali94127
“Your hate has made you powerful. Now fulfill your destiny, take your father's place by my side.” Darth Issho
「お前の憎しみが力を与えた。運命を果たせ、父の代わりに我が側に立て」ってダース・イッショウが言うンゴwww
ガチでスターウォーズ感あって草生えるわ2ちゃん
BosuW
Darth Rakugo
おいおい、ダース・ラクゴってまじかよwww あかね噺でスターウォーズコラボとか草生えるわ笑wwwおじ
AceSoldia
Lol "You've come for me eh?!" "I couldn't punch you if I didn't come for you"
草「来たかってかよ!」「お前を殴るためには来なきゃなんねぇんだよ」
ワイこのセリフ回しで笑ってもうたわwww2ちゃん
Frontier246
She didn't even care about winning or the trophy, it was all about this confrontation she's been waiting six years for. (He should be glad he got Akane instead of Masaki...)
彼女は優勝やトロフィーなんてどうでもよくて、ずっと6年間待ってたこの対決が全てだったんだよね。(マサキじゃなくてアカネで良かったって思えよな…)普通くん
chum-guzzling-shark
For you, the day Issho expelled your father was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday.
お前にとっては一翔が父親を破門した日が人生で最も重要な日だったんだろうな。でも俺にとっては、ただの火曜日だったんだよ。感情くん
Frontier246
to the last boss himself giving Akane the most definitive review that she's blown the competition out of the water. And also indirectly making it clear how he viewed all the other performers who came before her as truly nothing more than just "amateurs" instead of true Rakugoka.
ラスボス本人が「あかねは競争相手を完全に吹き飛ばした」って一番明確な評価をしてたね。しかも間接的に、他の演者たちは「ただのアマチュア」で真の落語家じゃないって言ってたのがわかったし。普通くん
mmcjawa_reborn
Gives new perspective on his earlier comments toward the other contestants. He wasn't being critical of them because he didn't even see them as Rakugoka performers, so why would he?
やばっ!これ見ると彼の他の出場者へのコメントも全然違って見えてくるじゃん!だって彼からしたらそもそも他の連中を落語家として見てなかったってことだし、批判する必要すらなかったってことか~まじ深いわ!ギャル
Cyouni
Very much the "oh look at them, they're so good" of an adult looking at a toddler learning how to walk.
「ああ見てごらん、上手にできてるね」って、まるで子供がよちよち歩きするのを見守る大人の目線だな。普通くん
Panory
"Adapting the story to modern times to get laughs from the audience, adorable."
まじでこの作品、現代風にアレンジして笑い取ってくるとこ最高じゃん!かわよすぎる〜!ギャル
ModieOfTheEast
原文
I am interested to see where they go with Issho's answer. You could go the route that he is "justified" through his explanation. But honestly, I feel this would be hard to do. Even if he had genuine reasons to dislike the performance, not granting the title and banning someone are two different shoes. Similarly, him giving a nonsense answer just to fuel Akane's anger would feel odd as well. While there is still the question why Issho even bothered to be a judge for this competition, he still knows Rakugo, so it just being some form of pettiness (or worse he wanted someone to be angry at him for it) would feel really artificial. I think the only way to make this work is by giving some props to Akane's father for trying to create his own style, but ultimately failing because he was still held back by something which didn't make it his own. Like copying too much of his master. This would give Akane an idea where to go while still having the goal of showing Issho that her father's style of Rakugo can be done.
一石の回答の行き着く先が気になるな。彼の説明によって「正当化」される方向も考えられるが、正直それは難しいと思う。たとえ彼にパフォーマンスを嫌う正当な理由があったとしても、タイトルを授与しないのと誰かを追放するのは別問題だ。同様に、彼がただ朱音の怒りを煽るためだけに意味不明な回答をするのも違和感がある。一石がなぜこの競技会の審査員を引き受けたのかは疑問が残るが、彼は落語を理解している以上、単なる意地悪(あるいは誰かに怒られることを望んでいる)という理由では不自然すぎる。この話を成立させる唯一の方法は、朱音の父親が独自のスタイルを模索した点を評価しつつも、何かに縛られて完全に自分のものにできなかった——例えば師匠の模倣が過ぎた——と描くことだと思われる。そうすれば朱音に方向性を示しつつ、一石に対して父親の落語スタイルが成立可能だと証明する目標は維持できる。考察くん
midasp
原文
No idea since I haven't read the manga, but if I were to guess Master Issho's earlier question already set the tone. From Master Issho's perspective, he asked if Akane knows she is already a pro. Because she answered his question with a definitive "Yes", Issho believes Akane should have already figured out for herself why her father's Rakugo did not cut it. Whereas Akane still thinks of herself as a mere student who is in need of guidance. Because of her biases, she believed Master Issho was asking her if she knew she did not belong on the Rakugo stage. That is why she answered with "Yes". Despite being really good, she still feels like she does not belong. And that is her issue. She has been so obsessed over why her father got kicked out that she had never looked critically at her father's performance. There are several ways the conversation can go, but the hope is at the end of it Akane would break out of the obsession she has over her father's past as it is irrelevant to her own future. I hope she realizes she is actually good at this.
原作読んでないから何とも言えないけど、一翔師匠の最初の質問で空気は決まってたんじゃないかな。師匠の視点では「あかねは自分がもうプロだってわかってるか?」って聞いたんだよね。あかねが「はい」ってはっきり答えたから、師匠は彼女が父親の落語がなぜ通用しなかったか、もう自分で気づいてると思った。でもあかねはまだ指導が必要なただの生徒だと思ってる。自分の偏見から、師匠が「お前は落語の舞台に立つ資格がない」って聞いてると誤解して「はい」と答えた。実力はあるのに、自分はそこに属してないって感じてる。それが彼女の問題だよ。父親がなぜ追い出されたかにこだわりすぎて、父親の演技を批判的に見たことがなかった。会話の展開はいくつかあるけど、最終的には父親の過去への執着から抜け出してほしい。それは彼女自身の未来には関係ないからね。自分が実はすごく上手いって気づいてほしいな。普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
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I don't think that Akane actually thought he meant she wasn't meant to stay on the Rakugo stage. That would go entirely against her whole character. She participated because she knew she could win. Even with Jugemu. That was the whole point last week that her "brother" realized. So going back on that would feel really weird. Akane never struck me as feeling she doesn't belong on the stage. Similarly, Akane's Rakugo is not driven just by wanting to "avenge" her father. Again, this was a big point last week because her "brother" thought this was all she was after and therefore misjudged her chances. She was always in it for the fun of Rakugo first and foremost. And Akane even acknowledged Issho's Rakugo talent, so it's not like her admiration for the art is judged by her goal of wanting to avenge her father either. Lastly, I also don't think it is an obsession. Akane's father being exiled had a lot of effects on the Rakugo community. It was mentioned this week. He master never took a new student. For over 10 years. And he is one of the biggest in the business. Issho's decision wasn't just a personal blow, but a blow to the whole art form. And that is not even taking into account how it affected his other students. Similarly, it's not like we only saw the sequence from Akane's POV. In this case, one might argue that it was just Akane's childish view of her father's performance and it wasn't actually that good. But that is not the case. Several people were shown who did not understand this decision. So his answer should be somewhat justifiable after being set up like this.
確かに、あかねが「自分は落語の舞台にいるべきじゃない」と彼に言われたと受け取ったとは思えないな。それは彼女のキャラクターに完全に反する。彼女は勝てると確信して参加したんだ。十呪相手でもね。それが先週、彼女の“兄”が気づいた核心だった。それを覆すのは不自然極まりない。あかねが舞台にふさわしくないと感じている描写は一度もなかった。
同様に、あかねの落語が単なる「父の復讐」に駆られているわけでもない。これも先週、兄がその点を誤認して彼女の実力を過小評価したことで明確になった。彼女は何より落語を楽しむためにやっている。一翔の才能も認めているし、復讐が目的で芸を評価しているわけじゃない。
最後に、執着という見方も違う。父の追放は落語界全体に影響を与えた。今週も触れられていたが、師匠は10年以上新弟子を取らなかった。業界の大物が一人の決断で芸術全体に打撃を与えたんだ。弟子たちへの影響も含めればなおさらだ。
また、あかねの視点だけで描かれているわけでもない。彼女の子供時代の認識が歪んでいた可能性も否定できないが、実際には彼の決断を理解できない複数の人物が描かれている。だからこそ、この伏線を踏まえた上で彼の回答には一定の正当性が求められるはずだ。考察くん
midasp
原文
Just to clarify, I meant to say the professional Rakugo stage, not just any Rakugo stage. This is supported episodes ago when Master Issho's top apprentice Kaisei Arakawa tried to praise her for having the better performance but she just brushed it off, thinking she lost lost to him. Fundamentally, Akane has yet believe her Rakugo is really good. Or perhaps it is just me. I kind of see my young self in Akane because my mother is narcissistic. She told me multiple times I was stupid and would amount to nothing, and as a kid I believed her. It took till I was in my mid-20s, after receiving I don't know how much praise and admiration from friends, teachers, and professors before I realized my mom was the one who is wrong and my circle of friends and mentors were right. I see Akane as being heavily impacted by that childhood event from 6 years ago. She believes Issho view her dad's Rakugo as bad. Therefore her own Rakugo, which is based on her father's, is also bad Rakugo.
まあ、そういうことか。つまりプロの落語の舞台って話だよな。昔のエピソードで、一翔の一番弟子・荒川佳成が「お前の方が良かった」って言っても、あかねは「負けた」って思って流してたしな。根本的に、あかねは自分の落語が本当に良いって信じられてないんだろう。
俺も似たような経験があるからわかる。母親が自己愛性で、何度も「お前はバカだ、何にもなれない」って言われて、子供の頃はそれを信じてた。気づいたのは20代半ばで、友人や教師からたくさん褒められてからだ。あかねも6年前の出来事に深く影響されてるんだろうな。一翔が父親の落語を否定したと思ってて、だから自分の落語も「悪い落語」だと思い込んでる。ドライおじ
mekerpan
原文
I believe early on, when the competition first came up, there was some mention that this was a competition for amateurs, with an implication that she was not really the kind of "amateur" the contest was aimed at attracting. She may not yet be a full professional, but she is also not an amateur -- she has been undergoing professional training for years. So I think she understood him as chiding her for shooting fish in a barrel.
確かに最初の方で、このコンテストはアマチュア向けって説明があったよね。彼女は完全なプロじゃないけど、何年もプロの訓練を受けてて、いわゆる「アマチュア」とは違う立場だと思う。だから彼の言葉を、簡単に勝てる相手と戦ってるって叱られたと解釈したんだろうな。普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
原文
I think it's meant to be the other way around. This wasn't a stage for professionals in the first place, but amateurs. Students who do Rakugo as a club besides their studies, not ones that are trained by a real Rakugoka like Akane. Akane doesn't have business in competing with them because quite frankly, it's just unfair. It's like a chess grandmaster beating every person at a school tournament. Sure, their chess is way better than the rest of the competition, but that's why they shouldn't be there in the first place. And Akane knows that (though she did learn something, but that's nothing Issho can really know). That's why she agreed with him. It wasn't about her acknowledging she is better than the rest or that she is not allowed to be a professional Rakugoka, but the opposite. She isn't an amateur and shouldn't smurf their competitions.
逆に考えるべきだと思うんだよな。そもそもここはプロの舞台じゃなくて、アマチュアの場なんだよ。落語を部活動の一環としてやっている学生たちで、あかねみたいに本物の落語家に師事しているわけじゃない。あかねが彼らと競う筋合いはない。なぜなら、率直に言って不公平すぎるからだ。まるでチェスのグランドマスターが学校のトーナメントで全員を倒すようなものだ。確かに彼らのチェスは他の競技者よりはるかに上手いが、だからこそ最初からそこにいるべきではない。そしてあかねはそれを理解している(何かを学んだとはいえ、それは一翔が本当に知り得ることではない)。だから彼女は彼に同意したんだ。それは自分が他の連中より上手いと認めたわけでも、プロの落語家になることを禁じられたわけでもなく、その逆だ。彼女はアマチュアではなく、彼らの大会にスマーフとして参加すべきじゃないってことだよ。考察くん
y-c-c
原文
Whereas Akane still thinks of herself as a mere student who is in need of guidance. Because of her biases, she believed Master Issho was asking her if she knew she did not belong on the Rakugo stage. That is why she answered with "Yes". Despite being really good, she still feels like she does not belong. And that is her issue. She has been so obsessed over why her father got kicked out that she had never looked critically at her father's performance. What? No this is not what happened at all. It's not that deep. Akane answered yes because she knew she is not supposed to compete in this competition for amateurs as someone receiving professional training under a famous master. This was something her peers all mentioned to her and she's doing this competition for her own reasons despite knowing that it's an inappropriate thing to do. She definitely thinks she belongs to a Rakugo stage otherwise and has not shown to not believe that. She does know she's talented at Rakugo, which again other characters also commented on. Issho was basically calling her out for being a pro punching down on less skilled performers, and Akane answered "yes" because that's what she was doing.
いや、それは違うと思う。あかねが「はい」って答えたのは、単に有名な師匠の下でプロの訓練を受けてる身でありながら、アマチュア向けのこの大会に出るのは適切じゃないって自覚してたからだよ。周りからも言われてたし、自分の事情で出てるだけ。彼女は落語の舞台に自分が属してないなんて思ってないし、自分の才能もちゃんと自覚してる。一翔師匠は要するに「プロが格下相手に手加減なしでやってる」ってことを指摘しただけで、あかねはそれに同意したんだと思う。普通くん
RepulsiveRevenue8
You know this isn't your place right? Chils Fucking Chills
まじでやばくね!?ここお前の居場所じゃないってわかってるっしょ!鳥肌立ちまくりなんだけど!!ギャル
dancelordzuko
The weight that single line had was perfectly conveyed here. Kaisei had the "I'd better improve my rakugo or my ass is finished" look.
その一言に込められた重み、見事に伝わってきたでござるな。魁生の「落語を磨かねば、わが身が終わる」という面構え、まさにその通りに候。武士
RepulsiveRevenue8
Poor Hikaru realizing Issho praise is just lip service.
可哀想なヒカル、伊織の褒め言葉がただの口先だけだったって気づいちゃったね。普通くん
BosuW
Issho the type to never really praise anyone. If he acknowledges you, he just say nothing.
イッショウってマジで誰も褒めねえタイプやん。認めてる時は何も言わねえんだよな。2ちゃん
tangothirteen
True Asian parenting
それな、アジアの親あるあるだよね普通くん
ObviousSwimmer
Kaisei looked almost apoplectic. He's obviously been working for years to hear praise like that from Issho.
やばくない!?魁生まじでキレそうになってたじゃん笑 何年もかけてやっと一生からあんな褒め言葉もらえたんだよな…感動したわギャル
dancelordzuko
Classic "hard worker meets gifted kid" situation. He showed Akane up, then she went and did the same thing to him in little time. Kaisei needs to be humbled at some point though. He's been cocky in every scene he's in.
典型的な「努力家と天才の対比」だね。彼がアカネを見下したかと思えば、すぐにアカネも同じことをやり返してた。でもカイセイはどこかで一度鼻を折られるべきだと思う。出てくるシーン全部でイキってるし。普通くん
Lapiz_lasuli
More like actual athlete vs local best player. That's the whole point of Issho's comment.
確かに「全国レベルのアスリート vs 地元の最強プレイヤー」って違いだよな。一翔のコメントの核心はそこだし、その差がでかすぎるッ!感情くん
TheDoctorHam
He just got humbled, honestly. It was so satisfying to see him crack here, but I also hope he makes for a good rival in the future.
正直、アイツようやく思い知らされたね。ここで焦り出す姿が見れてスッキリしたけど、将来いいライバルになってほしい気持ちもある。普通くん
Frontier246
He was the most dismissive of Akane and frankly everyone else there, so not only does Akane put him in place but he's forced to realize he's as much an "amateur" as everyone else there.
確かに、奴はあかねと他の者たちを最も軽んじておった。されどあかねに一喝され、己もまた他の者同様「素人」に過ぎぬと気付かされたのであるな。痛快でござる。武士
3rdLastStand
I think you and some of the other replies here may be mixing up Kaisei (pink hair MC, Issho's student) with Karashi (black hair competitor)
確かに、Kaisei(ピンク髪の主人公、Isshoの弟子)とKarashi(黒髪の対戦相手)を混同してる人いるかもね。普通くん
Countingmypennies
原文
Yep. Kaisei as the only one present who knew Akane would win. He didn't have any doubt about it. Not even her senior brothers were so confident. And some even showed doubt. But not Kaisei. He already knew Akane was good and had a better performance to show in the finals. The only Thing he didn't know was How good she would perform. But he never doubted she would win. Karashi on the other hand. Couldn't even see the qualities Akane was showing and was always arrogantly saying she would only lose. He should have taken a hint from when she didn't say anything back to him. But as he's so self absorbed, he didn't notice.
せやな。回生だけは最初からあかねが勝つって信じてたんやな。兄弟子たちすら半信半疑やったのに。からしの方は逆にあかねの実力まったく見えとらんくて「負ける」って高慢に言い放ってたしな。黙られた時点で察せよって話やのに、自己中すぎて気づかんかったンゴwww 回生の確信っぷりがガチでかっこよかったわ。2ちゃん
Zado191
Thanks for this clarification.... I was getting confused as I reading here
マジでそれな!読んでて混乱してたんだけど、スッキリしたわ!ありがと!ギャル
phoenixking99999999
原文
Real it was pretty crazy to watch his world view crumble, he kept questioning himself. "Does this mean she's good?" "I got more laughs so I'm good and she's bad" I personally think he needs to rethink his approach to rakugo, because it isn't a comedy skit and laughs only mean as much the audience values it. I feel he has free styled for so long he actually needs to genuinely get back to classical stuff to enhance his free styles more.
確かに彼の価値観が崩れる様子はすごく衝撃的だったな。ずっと自問自答してたし。「つまり彼女は上手いってこと?」「俺の方が笑い取れてるから俺が良くて彼女が悪い」って。個人的には落語に対するアプローチを見直すべきだと思う。ただのコメディスキットじゃないし、笑いの価値は観客次第だからね。長くアドリブに頼りすぎてたから、古典に立ち返って自分のスタイルを強化する必要があるんじゃないかな。普通くん
Countingmypennies
原文
The problem with Karashi, is that he took Rakugo too lightly. Thinking It was super easy to master. Then he didn't put any real effort Into It. Only barely touching the Surface of The art. Then comes Akane and shows him what a true performance is. Karashi only ever saw Amateurs like himself perform and thought he knew everything about It. He had shallow knowlege of a centuries old art. And paid the price for It. Another of his problems was, he thought humans were easy to deal with. Then comes Akane to shatter his worldview. He's a Genius so he always had It easy with anything he did. But then he touched upon an art that's been developed and made better for centuries, only to find. Anything human related can be super complex. For a Genius, he fell short there. But it's for his good. He will only ever grow from there.
からしの何がダメって、落語を舐めすぎてたンゴwww
「簡単に極められるやろ」とか思って、マジで努力してなかった。
芸の表面だけ撫でて終わり。
んであかねが出てきて、本当のパフォーマンスってのを見せつけられる。
からしは自分みたいな素人しか見たことなくて、全部知ってるつもりになってた。
何百年も磨かれてきた芸を浅い知識だけで語って、そのツケ払ったわけや。
もう一つは「人間なんて簡単に扱える」と思い込んでたこと。
そこにあかねが現れて価値観ぶっ壊された。
天才やから何やっても余裕やったのに、何百年も発展してきた芸に触れたら…
人間関係って超複雑やん、って思い知らされたわけ。
天才の割にそこで詰んだけど、それが本人のためにもなる。
ここから成長するしかないわな。2ちゃん
runevault
原文
To add to what you said (which I agree with), he seemed to think he found a shortcut through modernizing the stories. It is work but not the same amount of work as the sort of mastery Akane has achieved. I will say taking some of that and applying it alongside her skills, carefully applied, could be killer. But he needs to learn the lesson Akane did earlier in the season. Know what the particular audience wants. He forgot he had judges to impress not just the audience.
確かに、彼は現代化で近道を見つけたと思ってたんだろうね。でもそれはあかねが達成したような熟達とは別物だと思う。彼の手法をあかねのスキルと上手く組み合わせたら強力だろうけどね。彼は審査員を意識するのを忘れてたんだよ。普通くん
Countingmypennies
原文
Totaly. Again, Karashi only touched upon the Surface of The art and thought he knew everything. And his reference for the performances were bad performers. Not even at his level. So he went about It The way you mentioned. He did indeed put some effort Into It. But he was self taught, so basically, that was his only path really. And him dominating the two previous years made him even more sure he was doing the right Thing. He barely knew anything about Rakugo, save for the stories he performed and his adding his stuff to It. He was always gonna be an amateur King of a little Island thinking he was The greatest. Until Akane came and showed him what a true performance was and what he was losing out by not diving deeper Into the Rakugo world.
せやな。カラシは芸の表面的なとこしか触れてないのに全部知った気になってたンゴね。参考にしてた演者も自分以下やったし。確かに努力はしてたけど、独学しか道なかったんやろな。2年連続で勝ったもんやから、ますます自分のやり方が正しいって思い込んでたんや。自分が演る話と自分で付け足したネタ以外、落語のことなんてほぼ知らんかったんやで。小さな島のアマチュア王が自分が最強やと思い込んでるだけやった。アカネが来て、本当の芸って何か、落語の世界をもっと深掘りしなかったら何を逃してたか見せつけられるまではな。2ちゃん
mekerpan
Do you think he really never went to see real (professional) rakugo performances? I think he did, but dismissed them as silly and old-fashioned.
彼は本当にプロの落語を見に行ったことないと思う?俺は行ったことはあるけど、馬鹿らしくて古臭いって切り捨てたんじゃないかな。普通くん
Countingmypennies
I Think it's more probable he simply searched them online than for him to go and personaly watch them. He watched them online, thought they were good. But still was thinking Rakugo would only go Far It If modernized and stuck with his Idea. If he trully personaly saw a proper Rakugoka, his views on It would've changed.
せやな、本人が直接観に行くよりネットで検索しただけやろな。ネットで観て「悪くない」とは思ったんやろうけど、それでも「落語は現代化せなあかん」って持論は変えなかったわけや。ガチでちゃんとした落語家の芸を生で観てたら、考え変わってたやろな。2ちゃん
runevault
I feel like there's a two part question here really. 1) Did he go at all? Maybe maybe not, with how arrogant he is I could imagine him never going to watch a master perform. But then 2) Even if he did watch did he do it with an open mind? If you watch something expecting to be unimpressed, you are far less likely to learn anything useful from it.
この質問、実は二段階ある気がするんだよね。
1. そもそも観に行ったのか?彼の傲慢さを考えると、行かなかった可能性も十分ある。
2. 仮に行ったとしても、素直な気持ちで観たのか?「大したことないだろう」と思いながら観たら、何も学べないじゃん。普通くん
LakerBlue
Definitely feels like it’s gone from “she’s like a cute, talented young sister” to “this girl is already a serious threat.” Curious if it changes how he treats her.
確かに「可愛い後輩ちゃん」から「こいつもう立派なライバルやん」に変わった感じッ!彼の接し方変わるのか気になりすぎる〜!感情くん
eightcheesepizza
Kaisei already singled Akane out at the start of the competition... but even if Kaisei's opinion of Akane hasn't changed, there's a huge difference between "I recognize this girl's talent" and "my master recognizes this girl's talent".
確かに、魁成は当初からあかねをマークしていた。ただ、魁成自身の評価が変わっていなくても、「俺が彼女の才能を認める」のと「俺の師匠が彼女の才能を認める」のとでは意味が大きく異なるという考察ができるな。この差は、評価の重みが段違いだという伏線とも取れる。考察くん
Frontier246
Kaisei: "Holy @#%$ she is legit!"
「こいつマジですげぇじゃん!」って感じだね。普通くん
ali94127
Darth Vader realizing he can be replaced.
やばっ!ダース・ベイダーが自分も代わりがいるって気づいちゃったんだけど笑ギャル
ModieOfTheEast
I feel people miss that this line wasn't just meant as praise for Akane, but also criticism. Because a pro entering a contest for amateurs isn't actually a good thing. While it was meant to praise her skills, it was also meant to criticise because she not only "wasted her time" in a tournament she was way too overpowered for but also took away the chances of the actual amateurs to win.
確かに、このセリフはアカネへの称賛だけじゃなく批判も込められてるって見落としがちだね。プロがアマチュアの大会に出るのは良いことじゃないし、実力差がありすぎて時間を無駄にした上に、本来のアマチュアの優勝チャンスを奪ったってことでもあるんだよな。普通くん
dancelordzuko
原文
What I like about this moment is that it accomplishes a few things with so little: Shows that Isshou recognizes Akane's skill in a way Kaisei had not. Kaisei realizing that he needs to take Akane seriously as she could become a threat to his goal of being the best rakugoya. Humbled both Hikaru and especially Karashi, both knowing from that moment they were going to lose. Showed the Isshou everyone in the crowd expected to see yet hadn't since the event started. The intimidating, harsh kind. For the reasons you stated above, but also a "you'd better have a good reason for this.".
この場面の素晴らしさは、わずかな描写で複数の要素を同時に成立させている点だ。一舟が茜の実力を、快生とは異なる形で認めたこと。快生が茜を真剣に警戒し始めたこと――彼女が最強の落語家になるという自身の目標にとって脅威になり得ると気づいたわけだ。光る、そして何より枯らしがこの瞬間に敗北を確信し、謙虚になったこと。観客が待ち望んでいた一舟の姿――威圧的で厳しい、あの本気の一舟がついに現れたこと。君の挙げた理由に加えて、「お前、これには相応の理由があるんだろうな」という圧も感じられる。考察くん
Countingmypennies
Even Kaisei, who was The only one sure Akane would win, was surprised by her level of performance and growth as a performer. He better take care of his neck. Otherwise she will come for It.
やばくね!? 一貫してあかねの勝利を信じてた魁成でさえ、そのパフォーマンスと成長に驚いてたじゃん! てか魁成、首しめておいた方がいいよ。さもないとあかねに狙われるってマジで笑ギャル
Cyouni
This is the first time I've heard the Japanese for it, and it's almost menacing in its indirectness. "You know this isn't a good place for you, right" can be taken so many ways, but if you're sufficiently close, the context is clear.
日本語で聞くのは初めてだけど、その間接的な言い回しがなんか怖いな。「ここは君に合わない場所だって分かってるよね」って色んな解釈できるけど、親しい間柄なら文脈で伝わるんだろうね。普通くん
kazuyaminegishi
原文
I think the Japanese makes it clear that it can only be taken one way. Since he uses the word for "understand" (I'm not gonna even try to write the Romaji I just know it by ear lol). The sentence turns from more accusatory to more mutual understanding. "You know" can carry the hidden meaning of "You should know" which can be interpreted as both someone doing something beyond their means (like "you should know you don't belong here") but it could also be "you should know this isn't your stopping point." But when it is "you understand" to me it sends clearly "You are already aware that none of these people could match you." Having experienced teachers say this to me before in various ways, I think what I like most about this scene is that it was clearly seen as a show of respect. In my experience, this phrase was usually used to represent "you aren't living up to your potential."
この日本語のニュアンス、かなり深い考察ができるポイントだと思う。彼が使った「分かってる」という表現(ローマ字は省略するけど耳で覚えてる)によって、文脈が単なる非難から相互理解へと変化しているんだよな。「You know」には「分かってるだろ」という暗黙の意味が含まれていて、それが「お前の実力じゃここにいるべきじゃない」という否定的な解釈にも、「ここがお前の終着点じゃない」という肯定的な解釈にも取れる。でも「You understand」になると、明らかに「お前はもう気づいている、ここにいる誰もお前には敵わないって」という意味に収束するんだ。教師に何度か同じような言い方をされた経験から言うと、このシーンの最大の魅力は、それが明確に敬意の表現として描かれている点だと思う。俺の経験では、このフレーズは大抵「お前は本来の実力を発揮できていない」という意味で使われてきた。考察くん
Cyouni
Oh absolutely, he's straight up using it as a rebuke. "You know you shouldn't be in this competition" sort of thing, which is why it provokes Akane's specific response. It's all he says, because contextually all the people involved understand that's all that needs to be said.
確かに、完全に叱責の意味で使ってるよね。「お前がこの大会に出るべきじゃないって分かってるだろ」みたいな感じで。だからこそあかねのあの反応を引き出してるわけだ。彼がそれだけ言えば、関係者全員が文脈を理解してるからそれで十分ってわけ。普通くん
kazuyaminegishi
Yeah, the voice performance is also IMMACULATE. The way he says "omae..." tells you EVERYTHING before you even see his face. And then at the end the fucking smile, he's such a compelling villain already.
確かに声優の演技も完璧だよな。「お前…」の言い方だけで、顔を見る前に全てが伝わってくる。そして終盤のあの笑み、あれだけで既に魅力的なヴィランとして成立してる。制作陣の意図が明確に感じられる演出だ。考察くん
BosuW
I agree definitely had some "you're so good you don't even need me to tell you you're good" vibes But I also think it may have some other meanings, even beyond the context of the competition
確かに「お前はもう十分すごいから俺が言うまでもない」って感じの空気はあったね。でもコンテストの文脈を超えて、別の意味も含んでる気がするんだよね。普通くん
Holen7
One of the best Jump villains.
マジでジャンプのヴィランの中でもトップクラスじゃん!やばすぎる!ギャル
BuckeyeBentley
It's so cool how you can easily imagine this as a story where some lord murdered Akane's father and so she goes on a ninja revenge quest and Issho could basically be animated and acted exactly the same and be a believable and scary villain.
草www これ完全に「殿様が父親殺したから復讐忍者になる」って話に脳内変換できちゃうのガチで面白いわ。一翔はアニメでもそのままで全然通用する怖い悪役やん。2ちゃん
Jacob-C
Now I can't help but see the similarities between Issho and the Iwagakure Chief from Hell's Paradise.
確かにイッショウと地獄楽の岩隠れの長、似てるなって思っちゃうよね。普通くん
LakerBlue
Don’t like the man but it felt great hearing him praise her like that. Incredible delivery and word choice. Felt like the first time he let his mask drop all night.
確かにあの男は好きじゃないけど、彼女をああやって褒めるのはめちゃくちゃ気持ち良かったッ!台詞回しも言葉選びも神すぎる。あれが今夜初めて素顔を見せた瞬間だった気がするわ。感情くん
Eunuchest
Ngl i thought he was dismissing her. Hell of a compliment, it was actually "you're too good for these chumps"
正直、てっきり彼女を切り捨てたのかと思ったわ。でもめちゃくちゃ褒めてたんだな。「こんな連中にはお前はもったいない」ってことか。普通くん
TheDoctorHam
"What the fuck are you doing here, smurfing this competition"
「何してんのあんた!この大会で実力差ありすぎじゃね?笑」ギャル
omarous_III
Ah, it was setup so well. You have a VA who is just goofing around for publicity and a comedian out there for laughs... vs a girl who has trained in the art since she was a 5 and an apprentice with one of the five masters. Of course the old guy who is trying to preserve the art is going to ask her why a near-pro is messing around is an amateur competition.
ああ、設定がうまいよね。話題作りでふざけてるだけの声優と笑いを取りに行く芸人…対して、5歳から芸を磨いてきた少女と五大名人の一人に弟子入りした娘。芸を守ろうとしてる老練な師匠が「なんでプロ級の奴がアマチュアの大会で遊んでるんだ」って聞きたくなるのは当然だよな。普通くん
Jaxyl
原文
Now hold on, don't do Hikaru dirty like that. She isn't goofing around for publicity. She's doing rakugo because she wants to prove that she's more than just a pretty woman. She's aware that the main reason why she got her voice acting role is because she's attractive and that burns her deeply because she values her own skill. With rakugo she believes that her appearance won't matter there which allows her to prove herself as equals with others. Everyone else thinks its for publicity but for her it's about recognition.
ちょっと待て、ヒカルをそんな風に言うなや。
炎上狙いとかちゃうねん。ワイは彼女の本気を見てる。
声優の仕事もらえたのも顔やからって自覚してて、それがすげえ悔しいんや。自分の技術で勝負したいって思ってる。
落語なら見た目関係なく実力だけで勝負できるから、そこで認められたいだけや。
周りはただの話題作りって思ってるけど、ワイにはわかるわ。彼女が欲しいのは「評価」なんや。2ちゃん
Jacob-C
原文
Agreed, but at the same time, u/omarous_III is somewhat correct in that she sees the competition as some sort of stepping stone to gain recognition (which would come in the form of publicity). She doesn't treat the art seriously enough to get any genuine recognition from someone like Issho. She thought that this would be an easy way to showcase her voice acting skills while overlooking the deeper layers of rakugo. Much like Karashi, she comes off as arrogant.
同意だけど、omarous_IIIの言うことも一理あると思う。彼女はコンペを知名度を得るための踏み台程度にしか見てなくて、芸を真剣に捉えてないから一翔みたいな人から本当の評価は得られないんだよね。声優のスキルを見せつける簡単な方法だと思って、落語の深みを見落としてる。唐獅子みたいに傲慢に見えるな。普通くん
Jaxyl
原文
She's using it to prove herself, not gain recognition. She isn't doing this for her career, that's the whole reason why her agent tries to persuade her away from doing rakugo. This isn't a gain for her career in any way, shape, or form. She is doing this because she wants to prove her worth as an actress and nothing else. She does this because she's a woman from rural Japan who came to the city to make it big and the idea that she is successful because of her looks is insulting to her. Not that she is going to look the gift in the mouth, but as a professional that stings. She wants to be acknowledged for her skill, not her body/face. Not only that but she does treat it as seriously as an amateur without a master can. That's kind of the whole point of why Akane styles all over them. Karashi and Hikaru are practiced, they just aren't trained. But they did practice, we even see it in Hikaru's episode when she was practicing late into the night. So I don't agree at all with the assessment.
ワイはこの評価には全く同意できへんわ
彼女はキャリアのためじゃなくて自分の価値を証明するためにやってるんや
事務所が止めようとしてる時点でキャリア的にプラスにならんの明白やろ
田舎から上京してきた女が「顔だけで売れてる」って言われるのが我慢ならんからやってるんや
プロとしてそれは傷つくやん?
身体や顔じゃなくて技術で認められたいってのが本音や
しかも師匠なしの素人みたいな扱いやけど真剣に取り組んでる
カラシとヒカルは練習はしてるけど訓練は受けてないだけや
ヒカルの回で夜遅くまで練習してた描写あったやん
あかねが圧倒する理由はそこや
草2ちゃん
BosuW
"New account fooling around in Copper league when you're lvl 100 on main ass punk, I know what you are."
新規垢で銅リーグで遊んでるくせにメイン垢はLv100とかふざけんなよ、お前の正体は知ってるからな。普通くん
4546Ben
“Gtfo of this lobby, Smurf”
「このロビーから出てけよ、スモーフ(サブ垢)がよ」感情くん
dancelordzuko
原文
Been waiting all season for this episode and it did not disappoint. As Akane's performance continues, we lose more and more of her until the story plays out like a film. I find it interesting how Karashi's has a similar effect, but his face was plastered on every character hence the comedy act criticism. Hikaru wasn't able to take herself out of the characters she was trying to depict, leading to the monologue criticism. Her reliance on her voice acting ability puts her behind Akane and Karashi in that respect. The past three episodes really shows the difference and gaps between the three, given that they're being set up as rivals to one another.
今シーズンずっとこの回を待ってたけど、期待を裏切らなかったね。あかねのパフォーマンスが進むにつれて、彼女自身が消えていって映画みたいに物語が進む感じがする。辛しも似たような効果があるけど、全部のキャラに自分の顔を貼りつけてたからコメディ扱いされたのは面白いな。光るは演じようとするキャラから自分を消せなくて、独白が批判されたんだと思う。彼女は声優としての技術に頼りすぎてて、その点であかねや辛しに遅れを取ってる。この3話で3人の差がはっきり出たし、ライバルとしての関係性も見えてきたね。普通くん
Frontier246
Anna Nagase/Akane putting on a one woman show so effective she loses herself into the character and you really believe in the characters as people and get invested in their story. This is what it truly means to perform Rakugo.
Anna永瀬/あかねの一人芝居、あまりに没入しすぎて自分自身をキャラクターに溶け込ませる演技が凄いんだよな。観客としてもそのキャラクターを実在の人間として信じてしまい、物語に没頭してしまう。これこそが真の落語のパフォーマンスの本質だという考察ができる。考察くん
BosuW
Definitely like the famous "five minute episodes" in anime, when they're so fucking good and you're so immersed in the story being told that you forget you're watching an episode of anime. You don't even remember to think "this is a good episode". Incidentally, this episode was one of those
まさにアニメの「体感5分」ってやつだよね。めっちゃ面白くてストーリーに没頭しすぎて、アニメ見てること忘れる瞬間。つい「この回いいな」って考えるのも忘れるんだよ。今回の話もまさにそんな感じだったな。普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
原文
I think what makes this so remarkable is that the show had a really hard thing to do. Akane had to win over the audience with her Rakugo. But at least, this audience had no idea of what to expect. The anime on the other hand had to win over us. We expected a great performance. In a story we already knew and where they already explained a bit what is important about it. For all intents and purposes, this should not work. And yet, Akane's VA makes it work. Sure, the presentation does its part as well. Showing the actual story, but it's still remarkable that this 10-15 minute performance never felt like it outplayed its welcome. Even when the name got repeated several times.
このアニメのすごいとこって、めっちゃ難しいことやってるってとこやと思うんよ。あかねは落語で観客を魅了せなあかんかった。でもその観客は何も期待してなかったわけや。ところがアニメは俺らを魅了せなあかんかった。俺らはすごいパフォーマンスを期待してた。しかも既に話の筋は知ってて、何が大事かも少し説明されてる。普通に考えたら成立せんやろ。なのにあかねの声優がそれを成立させてるんや。演出ももちろん一役買ってる。実際の物語を見せてるけど、それでもこの10〜15分のパフォーマンスが全然ダレなかったのは驚異的。名前が何度も繰り返されてもな。2ちゃん
canadave_nyc
原文
For all intents and purposes, this should not work. And yet, Akane's VA makes it work. It's fascinating that you say that (and btw I agree with you), given that the point made in the episode is that the best rakugo happens when the audience stops focusing on the performer and focuses instead on the performance. The fact that we see that the performance in the episode achieves that, but the performance to us as viewers watching the episode doesn't, is a fascinating thing.
確かに、本来なら成立しないはずのシーンなのに、あかねの声優がちゃんと成立させてるんだよね。しかも面白いのが、エピソード内で「最高の落語は観客が演者じゃなくて演目そのものに集中した時だ」って言ってるのに、俺たち視聴者にはそのパフォーマンスが伝わってこないっていうね。そのギャップがすごく興味深い。普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
I mean, I didn't mean it like that. Someone wrote that they didn't even realize that all the characters were still voiced by Akane. This is part of what I mean. The reason why I wanted to point out the VA is only really happening afterwards. When I am analyzing the episode in retrospect. I didn't think about the VA during the performance. So I do think it still works similarly to the audience.
ああ、そういう意味じゃなかったンゴ。誰かが「キャラ全員あかねの声だって気づかなかった」って書いててさ、それこそがワイの言いたかったことなんや。声優のこと意識したのって、後からエピソード振り返って分析する時だけやったわ。本編見てる最中は声優のことなんて考えとらんかった。つまり、観客と同じような感じで作品を楽しめてるってことやな。2ちゃん
Countingmypennies
I always knew Akane would win simply cuz both Karashi and Hikaru did their own Thing with their performance. Bringing outside influence to their Rakugo. While Akane did The more traditional Rakugo performance. She would only lose If she were really bad at It, which she clearly is not.
やっぱあかねが勝つと思ってたよ。唐獅子と光がそれぞれ自分流にアレンジして外の要素を取り入れたのに対して、あかねは正統派の落語をやったからね。もし彼女が本当に下手だったら負けてたかもしれないけど、明らかにそうじゃないし。普通くん
Jacob-C
原文
As you said, except for Karashi, we have never really seen the stories fully animated before this. It really hammered home that this is the moment where Akane has fully grasped how to tell a story. Not to say that she has mastered the craft, but she has finally put all of the necessary pieces together to start working toward that goal. Then there was also the beginning of the episode, where Akane described the underlying meaning behind Jugemu. It’s a comedic take on a snapshot in time where child mortality rates were so high that desperate parents couldn’t do anything other than give their children names in the form of prayers for a long life. It actually made me quite emotional. Akane’s version of the story made sure to emphasize the meaning behind each part of Jugemu’s long name, which further highlighted the desperation of the parents instead of just the comedic aspects of the long name. At first, it looked like she really wanted to bring forth the tragedy in Jugemu’s original ending, which made the switch-up and punchline of Jugemu surviving so much funnier and more relieving. Such a great episode!
確かにカラシ以外は完全アニメ化されるの初めてやんな。これでやっとあかねが物語を語るって何かを掴んだってのがガチで伝わってきたわ。別に完成したわけやないけど、ようやく必要なピースが揃ったって感じやな。
あと冒頭の寿限無の背景説明も良かったわ。子供の死亡率が高すぎて、祈りみたいな名前つけるしかなかった時代のブラックジョークやん。ワイ泣いてもうたわ。あかね版は長い名前の意味をちゃんと強調してて、単なるギャグじゃなくて親の必死さが伝わってきた。最初は悲劇的な結末を強調してたから、寿限無が生き残るオチが余計に笑えて救われたわ。最高の回やったンゴwww2ちゃん
TsukumoYurika
Rakugo Q&A desk Before someone asks - yes, someone did once come up with a sort of sequel story to Jugemu where he marries a foreigner woman with an even longer name 😊
落語Q&Aコーナー。先に言っとくけど、誰かがジュゲムの続編的な話を考えたことがあるんだよね。彼がもっと長い名前の外国人女性と結婚するっていう話さ😊普通くん
Joji1000
I pray for whoever has to say the name of their child 🙏
子供の名前を言わなきゃいけない人のこと考えるだけで無理すぎるッ!🙏感情くん
GtrsRE
Now the question is whether Jugemu's wife is Welsh or Thai
え、てかジュゲムの妻ってウェールズ人なの?それともタイ人?どっちなんだろ気になるじゃん!ギャル
Bassaluna
did someone ever pulled a karashi and tried to do jugemu with modern names?
誰かカラシみたいに現代の名前で寿限無やろうとした人いる?普通くん
stephennotstrange
A lot, actually, it might seem radical and rare, but it's actually not, it was mentioned in his performance too by one of the judge.
結構あるンゴね。過激で珍しいように見えるかもしらんけど、実際はそうでもないらしい。審査員の一人が彼のパフォーマンス中にも指摘してたで。2ちゃん
Countingmypennies
It's mentioned some Rakugoka, which means professional of The Rakugo art. It's mentioned that some Rakugoka do modern versions of old stories. So there's the possiblity of existing a modern version of Jugemu.
確かに「落語家」って呼ばれてるな。昔の話を現代版にアレンジする人もいるって言及されてたし、「寿限無」の現代版とかあったりするのかな。普通くん
Golden_Phi
I have seen an English performance where a long string of common English names were used.
見たよ!英語のパフォーマンスでよくある名前がズラッと並んでたやつ!それめっちゃ面白かった!感情くん
waywardwobbuffet
There’s a mini arc in Gintama about it
ギャグパートだけど、銀魂でそのテーマのミニアークあったじゃん!めっちゃ笑ったわ笑ギャル
Volfaer
European royal names get wild.
ヨーロッパの王家の名前ってマジでぶっ飛んでるよな。普通くん
KaramjaRum
Obligatory:
「マジでこれ!」って感じすぎるッ!感情くん
ShedPH93
Not specific to this episode, but I don't think I've ever seen a rakugoka actually open their sensu/fan. Is there some rule against it, or is it simply not useful for storytelling?
特定のエピソードってわけじゃないけど、落語家が実際に扇子を開いてるの見たことないんだよね。何かルールがあるのか、それとも単に話の展開に必要ないってだけなのかな。普通くん
TsukumoYurika
原文
I don't think I've ever seen a rakugoka actually open their sensu/fan What a way for me to find out you haven't seen my oshi Ryutei Ichiba singing yet. /j If you mean opening it completely to the fullest, there is just relatively few opportunities to use a completely opened fan within the story as compared to, say, a completely folded one. Partially opened fans get much more use than fully opened, that's for sure, especially as spoons like in Misomame .
実際に落語家が扇子を完全に開く場面って、見たことない気がするな。まだ俺の推し・立川一馬の高座を見てないってバレたな(冗談)。完全に全開にするシーンは、物語の中では折りたたんだ状態と比べて使用機会が限られてるのが理由だと思われる。半開きの扇子は確かに全開より多用される、特に味噌豆みたいにスプーン代わりに使う場面とかね。考察くん