+883
KumaKumaGambler
Jumbo is like the villain in the childhood arc who eventually became Akane's ally.
Iwa sensei, the ice queen, probably isn't going to win any popularity award among her students, but no one can fault her for wanting the best future for her students. Her worries about careers in the performing arts and entertainment industries are not unfounded.
まあ、ジャンボは子供時代編の悪役みたいな立ち位置だったけど、最終的にはあかねの味方になったんだよな。
岩魚先生、あの氷の女王は生徒に人気が出ることはないだろうけど、生徒の将来を本気で考えてるのは間違いない。芸能界や舞台の仕事に対する彼女の懸念も、あながち間違ってはいない。ドライおじ+187
Charming-Loquat3702
原文
I don't know. I'm an engineer. Half of my initial class dropped out. No one would tell you not to become an engineer because you might not succeed. Why do we focus so much on potentially failing when it comes to things like performing arts, but only see the positives in "proper" jobs like engineering.
And even if you fail, you still learned valuable skills like talking in front of people. Just look at Akane's dad. He started selling things.
確かに、その視点は興味深いですね。芸術系と実業系のキャリアに対する社会の二重基準を指摘していると考察できる。エンジニアリングと落語、どちらも失敗のリスクはあるのに、前者は「堅実」と見なされ後者は「博打」扱いされる。しかし、あかねの父のように、落語で培った話術が別の分野で活きる例もある。これは「失敗しても得るものがある」という点で、芸事の教育的価値を示唆しているとも言える。考察くん+103
mmcjawa_reborn
原文
There is unfortunately a view that humanity degrees are useless degrees that students can only use for academia, even though there are tons of successful people in high paying professions with humanity degrees. Doesn't also help that those field are also especially equated with liberals, so people of certain political leanings already have an inherent bias in them against those in the humanities.
As someone who teaches STEM courses I am constantly seeing students getting pushed into nursing or similar fields who obviously don't really have an interest, which means they struggle in courses and end up failing out and wasting money until they can find a major they actually like and would do well in.
確かに。文系の学位は「使えない」って見られがちだけど、実際は高収入の職業についている人も多いしね。あと文系=リベラル派みたいなイメージがついてて、政治的立場によっては最初から偏見持たれてるのもあるかも。
自分はSTEM教えてるんだけど、看護とか似た分野に無理やり進められてる学生をよく見るよ。興味ないから授業で苦労してドロップアウトして金を無駄にして、結局自分に合った専攻を見つけるまで時間がかかってる。普通くん+56
Charming-Loquat3702
Exactly this. Most STEM courses aren't so easy that you get good when you're in it half hearted
それな。STEM系の科目だって、中途半端な気持ちじゃ良い成績は取れないよ。ドライおじ+22
BuckeyeBentley
原文
That shit comes after they've already trapped you at the college. "Look to your left, look to your right, only one of you will pass this program" kinda shit.
A high school's metric for success is almost entirely based on standardized testing and how many kids they get to send to college. It doesn't matter if they flunk out of college, or hate their lives, or are hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt they can never pay off.
それな。大学に入った後で「左見て、右見て、このプログラムを卒業できるのは3人に1人だけ」みたいなこと言われるんだよな。
高校の成功指標ってほぼ標準テストの点数と、どれだけ大学に行かせたかだけだし。大学で落ちこぼれようが、人生に絶望しようが、返せない借金を何十万ドルも抱えようが関係ないんだよ。普通くん+21
JohnatanWills
原文
in general a degree is useful to have even if you don't go into that field. I'm also in engineering and I can tell you that most people that dropped out just weren't taking it seriously, Managing to get a degree is way more likely that managing to succeed in entertainment. Even if it's not "proper" like engineering any degree usually opens doors. And it's usually not mutually exclusive, sure it eats into your time but you can do both for a couple years, get the degree, focus on entertainment and then if that works great, if not you have something to fall back on.
せやな、学位は取っとくに越したことないわ。ワイもエンジニアやけど、中退した連中はガチで真面目にやってなかっただけや。エンタメで成功するより、学位取る方がよっぽど現実的やろ。たとえエンジニアみたいな本職やなくても、大抵の学位は道を開いてくれるしな。両立は可能やし、数年間は学位取りながらエンタメも頑張って、ダメなら戻れる場所がある方が安心やで。2ちゃん+16
Jacob-C
原文
Exactly. It’s one thing if college is extremely expensive, like it often can be in the U.S., where private universities and out-of-state tuition can be brutal. There are more affordable options, but they’re not always treated as the obvious or prestigious route. Still, if the degree is mainly meant as a backup plan, you don’t necessarily need the most prestigious or expensive school in the first place. Japan isn’t free either, but the costs are generally less extreme. In many European countries, where higher education is often much more affordable or even free, it makes even more sense to get your degree while pursuing sports or entertainment on the side, or to focus on entertainment after you’ve already gotten your degree. If you choose the former, you have to put in twice the work, but that’s a reasonable trade-off for having insurance while following your dreams.
I’m not bashing anyone for betting everything on their dream. I just think it’s sad when people fail in that pursuit and are left without any decent options afterward, just like Akane’s teacher was worried about in this episode.
Edit: I heard from some people in the comments that it would be practically impossible to juggle university and Rakugo at the same time, so my comment may not be relevant in this particular instance.
確かに。大学が極端に高額なアメリカのようなケースと違い、日本や欧州なら学費が比較的安いからこそ、学業と夢の両立は合理的な選択肢だと思う。ただし、落語と大学の両立が事実上不可能という指摘を聞くと、この作品の文脈では単純に当てはまらないかもしれないな。
あかねの師匠が心配したように、夢に全てを賭けて失敗した後の選択肢のなさは確かに悲しい。保険としての学位を持つことの合理性と、それでも夢を追う情熱のバランスを考えさせられるエピソードだった。考察くん+11
Frontier246
原文
>Jumbo is like the villain in the childhood arc who eventually became Akane's ally.
He went from being an Akane hater to Akane's biggest fanboy/supporter.
>Iwa sensei, the ice queen, **probably isn't going to win any popularity award among her students,** but no one can fault her for wanting the best future for her students. Her worries about careers in the performing arts and entertainment industries are not unfounded.
She'd probably win on looks and voice alone lol.
確かにJumboはアカネ嫌いから一番のファンになったよね。岩先生は氷の女王って感じで生徒に人気はないかもだけど、生徒の将来を本気で考えてるのは間違いない。芸能界の厳しさを心配するのも理解できるし。見た目と声だけで人気出そうだけどな笑普通くん+50
BaytaCosmico
Was he the one who got into a fight with her back in elementary school? The one that dissed her father based on what his mother had said?
そう!小学校の時にあかねとケンカしたやつだよ!母親の言葉で父親をディスったクソガキ。でも今は味方になってくれてエモすぎるッ!成長したなぁ…感情くん+36
WeebTheAnimeGod
Yep, that guy
それな、その男だよ。普通くん+38
PerfectBeige
原文
>Jumbo is like the villain in the childhood arc who eventually became Akane's ally.
We must have as many shounen cliches as possible:
☑ Big bad that ~~killed~~ career-changed your dad in a fiendish unprovoked attack
☑ Childhood rival turned ally
☑ Very dependable senpai who the audience might ship although there is no actual chemistry
☑ Wise sensei with a troubled past and a connection with the big bad
☑ Tournament arc
☑ Very attractive but extremely infuriating rival
Still looking for:
☐ Adorable imouto, probably sick or a demon
☐ Tsundere love interest
☐ Heartbreaking defeat followed by a major powerup training arc and possible hair color change
☐ Cherished ally, callously slain by the big bad to remind you that he's a total dick
草
Jumboは幼少期の悪役枠から味方になる流れか
少年漫画のテンプレ詰め込みすぎやろwww
☑ 父ちゃんを理不尽に引退させた巨悪
☑ 幼馴染のライバルが味方に
☑ 頼れる先輩(恋愛フラグは無いけど視聴者が勝手に推す)
☑ 過去に闇を抱えた師匠が巨悪と繋がり
☑ トーナメント編
☑ クソ可愛いけどムカつくライバル
まだ足りない要素:
☐ 病弱or悪魔の妹キャラ
☐ ツンデレヒロイン
☐ 惨敗→パワーアップ修行(髪色変わるかも)
☐ 仲間が巨悪に無惨に殺される展開
これで完璧やな2ちゃん+39
TastyOreoFriend
> ☐ Cherished ally, callously slain by the big bad to remind you that he's a total dick
Oh they can definitely do this one. Maybe not in the literal sense but with enough imagination it can damn sure happen.
確かに。少年漫画のお約束として、これは十分あり得る展開だよね。文字通りじゃなくても、想像力次第でどうにでもできるし。普通くん+21
KajarRanginLaya
Issho Arakawa is ready to expel another batch of students lmao.
荒川一生、また生徒を退学させる気満々だなw感情くん+17
doomrider7
Give it time.
時間をかけてみよう。普通くん+15
Doomroar
Hair color change!? how dare you even think of such a crime, never! pink highlights for life!
「髪の色変える!?そんな犯罪行為、絶対許せない!ピンクメッシュは永遠だろ!」感情くん+12
MooreGold
One of the tropes you're still waiting for makes me laugh because of how true it will be. Maybe 2 of them.
確かに。少年漫画のお決まりパターンってまだいくつか待ってるやつあるよね。そのうち2つくらいは来そうで笑っちゃうわ。普通くん+5
FLorianGran
I'm a sucker for the "grade school bully comes back except they're cool now" trope
まじでこの「小学生のいじめっ子が再登場したらカッコよくなってた」展開、大好きなんだけど!やばくない?!ギャル+156
doomrider7
And he got a glow-up! For those curious, it's called cauliflower ear and is common in combat sports.
確かに!しかもイケメンになってるしな。ちなみにあの耳はカリフラワー耳って言って、格闘技やってる人にはよくあるやつだよ。普通くん+85
DBLACK382
Thank you, I was wondering why his ears were like that.
ありがとう!そこずっと気になってたんだよな。耳の形そういう理由だったのか!感情くん+23
kixiron
I never thought of seeing cauliflower ears as a "glow-up" or a part thereof, but *de gustibus*...
確かに、カリフラワー耳を"glow-up"の一部と見るのは新鮮だな。でも好みは人それぞれってことか。普通くん+11
IndependentMacaroon
Da gusty bus stops for anyone?
「味覚のバス停」……なるほど、凡人には理解できぬ領域の真理か。されど我が目には、その変貌こそが運命の証と映るのだ。中二病+6
Frontier246
He and Akane have a surprisingly good dynamic in the present-day compared to how they started out.
せやな、昔のいじめっ子が今はイケメンになって戻ってくるパターン、ワイも好きやわwww
確かにあかねと今の関係、最初から見たらガチで良好すぎて草生えるンゴ2ちゃん+44
Aileos
The sensei telling him straight "I won't go alone with you to this rakugou nonsense because I don't want to be fired" was so real.
先生が「この落語ごっこに付き合ってクビになりたくないから一人では行かない」ってストレートに言ったの、めっちゃリアルだったわ。普通くん+153
Frontier246
Admittedly I did think for a split-second "Oh, so Jumbo's going to be going on a rakugo date with her" before she shot that down quick lol.
確かに一瞬「お、Jumboが彼女と落語デートか?」って思っちゃったわ。すぐに否定されたけどな笑感情くん+43
Ultramarinus
After seeing people calling Qifrey “collecting lolis” I’m not surprised how much anyone in a teaching position needs to assume the worst gossip possible in ‘modern’ society.
キーフレイが「ロリコレクション」とか言われてるの見てさ、現代社会で教育者の立場にいる人はどんな最悪の噂でも覚悟しなきゃいけないんだなって思ったわ。普通くん+53
Charming-Loquat3702
As I said, it's stupid that this is necessary
マジそれな!言われてみれば確かにそうだよね~
「ロリ集めてる」とか言われちゃうから教師側も気使わなきゃいけないの、ほんとバカらしいじゃん!ギャル+17
KarthikBhan
Wait what!!! Please tell me you're joking rn
は?!まじかよwww 冗談だろそれ笑wwwおじ+5
guineaprince
原文
Yeah but you gotta understand that there's a difference between "engage with students/family outside the classroom" and "a teenaged student asked me out and we went to see a show together".
Professional distance is essential even when you take a holistic approach to teaching, and even when neither side of the equation is being dodgy. It's not just covering your own ass, it's teaching your students professional conduct through your own example and maintaining the standard for when there are those who *aren't* innocent in their intent.
確かにでも、「教室外で生徒や家族と関わる」のと「10代の生徒に告白されて一緒にショーを見に行く」のは全然違うよね。
教育に全人的なアプローチを取る時でも、プロとしての距離感は絶対必要だと思う。お互いに悪意がなくてもね。自分の身を守るためだけじゃなくて、プロとしての振る舞いを生徒に示すことでもあるし、悪意ある人がいる時の基準を保つためにも大事なんだよな。普通くん+54
doomrider7
It's an irregular job so you can kind of see where she's coming from, and even her senpai Kyoji absolutely will not tolerate her neglecting her studies.
確かに不規則な仕事やしな、彼女の気持ちも分からんでもないわ。でも先輩のキョウジが絶対に勉強疎かにするの許さんってのが草2ちゃん+5
Heavy_Heave_Ho
Jumbo is such a bro
Jumboってマジでいいやつだな普通くん+137
doomrider7
Massive glow-up for him!
まじでそれ!ジャンボくんめっちゃイケメン化したじゃん!ギャル+79
Frontier246
What judo and character development does to a guy!
確かに、柔道とキャラ成長の力ってすごいよね!普通くん+42
NanDemoKnaives
I was like "what a good looking guy" then they showed who he was in the past lol.
それな!「イケメンじゃん!」って思ったら過去の姿が出てきて草wギャル+38
Frontier246
Also once again validating Akane's Rakugo that her personality and performances was able to turn someone who she didn't get along with as a kid into her sincere and supportive childhood friend.
Jumboマジでいい奴すぎるわw
あかねの人柄と高座の力で、子供の頃仲悪かった奴を本気の幼馴染に変えちゃったってのも、まためっちゃ納得できるエピソードだよな笑wwwおじ+36
Ultramarinus
I loved how Akane eventually won him over, she has one of those naturally magnetic personalities.
Jumboマジでいい奴すぎやろ。あかねが最終的に彼を味方につけたの好きやわ。あかねって自然と人を惹きつける魅力あるよな。2ちゃん+20
Cyouni
Jum-bro
「Jum-bro」って呼びたくなるのマジでわかるッ!兄弟すぎるだろこの人…!感情くん+17
Asgerond
Sensei is fine as hell man
Like DAMN
先生めっちゃ良いよな
まじでヤバいくらい普通くん+122
Frontier246
Also that stoic, serene, Mariya Ise voice did something to me...
確かに!先生まじでやばくね!?あのクールで落ち着いた声、伊瀬茉莉也のボイスがまた最高すぎてやばかったんだけど笑ギャル+65
alan_14
My first thought is that her voice reminds me of Serie. On second thought, maybe their personality is kinda similar?
なんと、伊瀬茉莉也殿のあの凛とした声…拙者の心を射抜き申した。
第一印象はセリエを思い起こさせるでござる。よくよく考えれば、その性格も似ておるやもしれぬな。武士+17
doomrider7
It's the power of Rakugo. It effects all those close to it to make them smokeshows.
せやな。落語の力ってガチでやばいわ。近くにいるやつ全員イケメン化するんかよ草2ちゃん+16
HolyDragSwd2500
From Electrifying to Ice Cold
確かに、先生めっちゃかっこいいよな。電気みたいな熱さから一転、氷みたいに冷たくてギャップがやばい。普通くん+11
mobpiecedunchaindan
原文
I found Mrs. Iwashimizu to be a super interesting character -- how do you, as an educator, find a balance between encouraging your students to follow their passions while also being realistic enough to steer them away from the potential heartbreak if things don't work out for them? She leaned too hard on the former for the student who failed at being a comedian, and she initially leaned too hard on the latter for trying to dissuade Akane from being a Rakugoka. It's a really interesting perspective to have in what is ostensibly still a battle shonen and I'm glad to see Akane's performance help her find a perfect balance between the two. Might be my favorite episode so far!
岩清水先生は本当に興味深いキャラだよな。教育者として、生徒の情熱を応援しつつ、現実的に挫折のリスクから守るバランスって難しいテーマだと思う。彼女は漫才師に失敗した生徒には前者に傾きすぎたし、あかねに落語家を諦めさせようとした時は後者に傾きすぎた。バトル少年漫画でありながら、こういう視点を入れてくるのは秀逸。あかねの高座が彼女に完璧なバランスを見つけさせたシーンは、今のところ一番好きな回かもしれない。考察くん+101
ohoni
原文
I think that a teacher should be gently encouraging, but, outside of extreme exceptions (you can imagine the ones), respectful of the parent's wishes. That is to say, if a student wants to do a risky career path, but there's any reasonable chance of success there, then be supportive, help them find the right steps toward that goal, but without overly cheering them on, pushing them forward. Also be clear and honest about the risks, and present alternatives, but don't force them. Let the parents be the ones to decide whether to crush the kids' dreams or not.
教師は優しく励ますべきだけど、極端な例外(想像できるだろ)以外は親の意向を尊重すべきだと思う。つまり、生徒がリスクある進路を選びたいなら、成功の可能性が少しでもある限りはサポートして目標への正しいステップを教えるべきだけど、過度に煽ったり押し出したりはしない。リスクも正直に伝えて代替案も示すけど、強制はしない。子供の夢を潰すかどうかは親に任せるのがいいんだよね。普通くん+37
Cyouni
One thing is that note that Iwa-sensei didn't necessarily go "you shouldn't do that", she went "ok, what universities do you have available that have rakugo clubs". Basically trying to give her a more secure option that also gives her a slowly growing taste of what she's trying to get into.
せやな。岩先生は「ダメ」って言うんじゃなくて「落語部ある大学どこや?」って聞いてるのがポイントやろ。安全な選択肢与えつつ、徐々に本場の空気に触れさせようとしてるんやな。ワイもああいう教師おったらよかったンゴwww2ちゃん+6
PapaBeer642
She was the reason this was my favorite episode since the first one. She was very compelling, and relatable to me as an educator (just like Akane's dad was relatable to me as a father trying to make his chosen profession actually work while struggling to find reliable full time work).
彼女のおかげで第1話以来の一番好きなエピソードになったな。教育者としてすごく共感できたよ(あかねの父親が、選んだ仕事をちゃんとやりたいけど安定したフルタイムの仕事を見つけるのに苦労してる姿に父親として共感したのと同じようにね)。普通くん+12
StardustGogeta
原文
Reminds me a bit of this quote from *2.5 Dimensional Seduction*, when a member of the school staff is weighing whether to let a student do something that is almost certainly a big mistake:
> "Some people might think mistakes make for good experience, but sometimes, we make mistakes that never help us, that we regret for the rest of our lives."
In both cases, touching on the balance between being a guiding hand and giving enough leeway for the student to make their own (possibly bad) decisions.
Agreed with you that the perspective here was very nice and might've made it the best episode yet.
岩清水先生の話、めっちゃわかるンゴ…
『2.5次元の誘惑』の台詞思い出したわ:
>「失敗は経験になるって言うけど、一生後悔するだけの無駄な失敗もある」
指導と自主性のバランスって難しいよな。
確かに今回の視点良かったわ、今期イチの回かもしらん。2ちゃん+11
ButterIsMyLifeblood
Akane being an airhead really not helping her out with Iwa sensei lol
あかねの天然っぷりが岩瀬先生との関係に全然プラスになってないの笑えるw普通くん+98
Frontier246
Unless it's related to Rakugo she genuinely could not care less about anything lol.
岩瀬先生とのやり取り、あかねの天然っぷりが逆効果になってて草生えるww
落語以外はマジでどうでもいいと思ってそうでワロタw2ちゃん+57
ObviousSwimmer
Caring about things besides rakugo killed her father.
確かに、落語以外に興味を持つことが父を殺したも同然でござるな。武士+48
doomrider7
You can still hear the poor man wailing in the wind. 😔
"I'm noooot deeeeeeaaaad"
So sad...so sad. 😔
草、父親の「死んでねェ〜〜〜」って風の音が聞こえてくるわ😔
悲しすぎるンゴ…ガチで切ない😔2ちゃん+45
italeteller
she's got that shonen protagonist sillyness
確かに!まじで少年漫画の主人公みたいなバカさじゃん笑
てか岩先生に全然いい印象与えられてなくない?笑ギャル+18
Narlaw
Hot damn that ending, facing the last boss so soon?!
終盤でいきなりラスボスと対決かよ、マジで熱すぎだろ!!普通くん+92
CuriousWanderer567
Gotta hope he’s not as harsh on Akane compared to how he was in the first episode.
草、いきなりラスボス戦かよwww
初回みたいにあかねにキツく当たらなきゃいいンゴねぇ…2ちゃん+33
Frontier246
Honestly have to almost respect that he still carries enough clout to be a judge at a performance knowing how there's always the possibility he can pull the stunt he did with her dad.
確かに!最初のエピソードでのあの厳しさを考えると、今回あかねに対してどう出るかヒヤヒヤするわ。でも、あの過去のパフォーマンスを知りながら審査員としてまだ影響力を持ってるって、逆に怖さと同時にちょっとリスペクトしちゃうな…感情くん+23
segfaulted_irl
原文
It's a bit easy to since the English subs weren't the best for that part, but it's actually explained in this episode
Issho initially got a ton of backlash and notoriety for the expulsions, but it also elevated his name recognition and made people want to check out his rakugo. Because of how good he is at rakugo, he was able to win people over and ultimately rehabilitate his image. As Jumbo said in the episode, "ethics cannot override emotion"
確かにその通りだな。英訳が微妙だったから見逃しやすいけど、今回のエピソードでちゃんと説明されてるんだよな。
一松はあの追放騒動で最初こそ大バッシングと悪名を受けたけど、逆にそれが彼の名前の認知度を上げて、人々に落語を聴いてみたいと思わせたんだ。そして彼の落語の腕前が圧倒的に良かったからこそ、人々を惹きつけて最終的にイメージを回復できた。ジャンボが言ったように「倫理は感情に勝てない」ってのが、まさにこのケースに当てはまる考察だな。考察くん+15
FallenPears
Considering he's judging a school thing he's got to have chilled out right? Or maybe he's like Gordan Ramsey and is only Like That in certain places. I also won't be surprised if it turns out his actions in the first episode were in the middle of him having some sort of personal crisis.
せやな、学校のコンテストやったら流石に大人しくなってるやろ……
でもゴードン・ラムジーみたいに場所によって豹変するタイプかもな。
つーか第1話のアレ、実はなんか個人的にやばい時期だったとかでも納得やわ。2ちゃん+6
Charming-Loquat3702
I mean, that's also a common trope with shonen. Especially ones who actually are planned out from the beginning. Like how Ruffy went to Louge Town where Gold Rodger was executed or how Shigaraki was responsible for the attack on U.S.J.
You want to let your protagonsists encounter the final goal early, to put a nice arc over your story.
確かに、少年漫画ではよくある王道展開だよな。特に最初から構想が練られている作品ほど顕著で、ルフィがゴールド・ロジャー処刑のローグタウンに行く展開や、死柄木がUSJ襲撃の黒幕だった展開と似た構造だと思われる。
主人公に早い段階で最終目標を邂逅させることで、物語に綺麗なアークをかける意図が感じられる。制作陣はこの伏線をどう回収するつもりなんだろうな。考察くん+24
Frontier246
It's funny you mention both One Piece and MHA when Issho is voiced by Blackbeard and AFO lol.
確かに両方とも黒ひげとAFOの声優が一緒ってネタすぎるよね笑普通くん+32
doomrider7
Not to mention Oda gave this series his seal of approval.
まじそれな!尾田っちが公認してるってやばくね?笑ギャル+8
Charming-Loquat3702
I really had to think about this, if I'm honest. There are so many shonen that aren't planned out from the beginning (and that can be a good thing), like, there is no way Naruto was encountering Kaguya early, or Gon meeting Meruem.
せやな、考えてみると確かにそうやわ。ジャンプ作品って最初から全部計算されてるわけちゃうよな、それがいい方向に出ることもあるし。ナルトがカグヤに序盤で会うわけないし、ゴンがメルエムに遭遇するのも無理やろwww2ちゃん+7
Leri_weill
If we follow shounen tropes I bet she's gonna "fail" next week and defeat the final boss at the end of the season
確かに。少年マンガのパターンだと、来週は負けてシーズン終盤でラスボス倒す展開になりそうだね。普通くん+12
Ultramarinus
I’m predicting a “you see Frank Horrigan in a random encounter” situation that where he either blasts Akane and that only fires her up more or it’ll be something where they can’t interact yet. Like you see endboss as a midboss but he has a limiter yet.
確かに、最終ボスが早すぎる登場って感じだよな。個人的には「ランダムエンカウントでフランク・ホリガンに遭遇する」パターンになると思う。つまり、彼が噺家を吹き飛ばすか、それが逆に彼女を燃え上がらせるか、あるいはまだ直接対決できない状況って伏線だと思われる。エンドボスが中ボスとして現れるけど、まだリミッターがかかってる状態って考察ができる。考察くん+9
doomrider7
One of those "Impossible Boss Fight" type of deals right?
「Impossible Boss Fight」系の展開ってことか!? マジで無理すぎるッ!あかねが一瞬でやられそうで怖い…。感情くん+7
ButterIsMyLifeblood
Hell yeah tournament time
おっ、トーナメント編キター!普通くん+85
Frontier246
A Battle Shonen staple!
やばくね!?バトルものの鉄板じゃん!テンション上がるわ〜🔥ギャル+39
doomrider7
Agreed. You are not officially a battle shonen until you either do one or have paired fights.
同意。バトルものならこれかペアでの戦闘がないと正式に認められないよね。普通くん+19
BuckeyeBentley
**TOURNAMENT ARC!!!!**
**トーナメント編キターーーッ!!** 興奮しすぎて無理!!!感情くん+20
TsukumoYurika
原文
# Rakugo Q&A Desk
Now to proceed with questions from the last session:
u/duo99dusk asks:
> A quick Google shows that Kamigata rakugo is from Kyoto and Osaka while Edo rakugo is from Tokyo, but are there any other notable differences?
The most important difference is that Kamigata system scrapped the ranking system completely. Other important distinctions include props (in addition to Edo's fan and tenugui, there is a lectern, a set of small wooden clappers and a harisen) and story genres (for example while stories with BGM are a separate genre in Edo, they are pretty much ubiquitous in Kamigata.)
u/ComfortableHuman1324 asks:
> And does it share some origin elements with noh or kabuki or it sparked more independently as a storytelling art form?
They share quite a bit elements in common with kabuki, given that both arts originate from commoner culture. There is a whole separate category of stories that directly reference (and often outright spoof) kabuki plays. Noh, being originally part of court culture, has relatively less ties to rakugo, but there are a few notable elements. Probably the most important common denominator between the two is the Chu no Mai (中の舞) which is the debayashi (for the pro wrestling fans here, this is the yose equivalent of entrance music) that is played for the final performer in a show and is directly based on its Noh equivalent under the same name.
# 落語Q&Aコーナー
前回の質問に答えていくよ。
**u/duo99duskの質問:**
「上方落語は京都・大阪、江戸落語は東京ってのはググればわかるけど、他に違いってある?」
一番の違いは、上方では階級制度を完全に廃止したこと。あとは小道具(江戸の扇子・手ぬぐいに加えて、見台、小拍子、張り扇がある)とか、演目のジャンル(例えばBGM付きの演目が江戸では別ジャンルだけど、上方ではほぼ標準)とかかな。
**u/ComfortableHuman1324の質問:**
「能や歌舞伎と共通の起源はある?それとも独立して発展した?」
歌舞伎とは結構共通点が多いよ。どちらも庶民文化がルーツだからね。歌舞伎を直接ネタにした(よくパロディにしてる)演目カテゴリもある。能は元々宮廷文化の一部だから落語との結びつきは薄いけど、注目すべき要素はある。両者で一番重要な共通点は「中の舞」かな。これは出囃子(プロレスファンに言うと寄席の入場曲)で、最後の出演者の時に流れるんだけど、能の同名のものに基づいてるんだ。普通くん+62
This-is_CMGRI
u/ModieOfTheEast asked:
> Can I ask one thing since it is on Aniverse (a Prime channel) in my country. At the end of the ending, they always credit a person for "Rakugo advice" which I find kind of cool that they are asking professionals to make translations possible (especially when there are puns involved). Is that something the English translation does as well?
【返信先: Rakugo Q&A Desk】
せやな、エンディングの「落語監修」ってクレジット、ワイも気になってたわ。
英語版でも同じように専門家入れて翻訳してるんか?特にダジャレとか大変そうやしな。
ガチで気になるンゴwww2ちゃん+14
Ancient_Breakfast_48
The rakugo advice was also done for the manga by the same guy. I doubt anybody doing translations have gone to anybody they are just taking the text that is there or speech that is there and fitting it into English.
確かに、落語のアドバイス部分は原作マンガでも同じ人が担当してたみたいだね。翻訳者たちがわざわざ専門家に聞いてるとは思えないし、元のテキストやセリフをそのまま英語に当てはめてるだけなんじゃないかな。普通くん+14
Norix596
The manga has a designated consultant Kikuhiko Hayashiya - (he had a different name at start of series but changed stage names when he got promoted to master during the manga’s run); he’s the guy who gave some lessons on the Rakugo stories to the voice cast which you can find videos of behind the scenes stuff.
Eg
その漫画には監修として林家きくひこ(連載開始時は別の名前だったけど、途中で真打ちに昇進して改名したやつ)がついてるンゴ。そいつが声優陣に落語のレクチャーしてた動画が裏話として残っててな。例のアレや。2ちゃん+7
guineaprince
> Other important distinctions include props (in addition to Edo's fan and tenugui, there is a lectern, a set of small wooden clappers and a harisen)
Fond memories of Uchi no Shishou wa Shippo ga Nai. It's been too long since Mameda's rakugo.
うん、確かに小道具の違いは重要だな。江戸落語の扇子と手ぬぐいに加えて、見台(けんだい)、小拍子(こびょうし)、張り扇(はりおせん)があるのは、上方落語の特徴をよく捉えている。『うちの師匠はしっぽがない』の豆田の落語を思い出すな。あれから結構経つけど、あの作品の小道具の使い方も考察すると深いんだよな。考察くん+7
sarbeans9001
ok but the sensei refusing to chaperone because she doesn't want to lose her job is honestly the most realistic teacher response i've seen in anime lmao. like she's not even wrong
せやな、先生が「仕事クビになりたくないから」って引率拒否するの、マジでアニメ史上一番リアルな教師の反応やわ草。しかも間違ってないしなwww2ちゃん+53
BuckeyeBentley
Thank god at least *one* teacher has some fucking sense. I just saw the trailer for that anime about a demon lord respawning as a teacher and his biggest hater hero spawning as one of his students and it's a rom-com and I'm like 😐 come on Japan
確かに。教師が職を失いたくないから引率を断るって、めちゃくちゃリアルな教師像だよな。日本のアニメによくある「教師が生徒と無理やり関わって問題解決」みたいな非現実的な描写より、よっぽど共感できる。あの転生魔王教師のロマコメのトレイラー見たけど、正直「またかよ」って感じだった。現実の教育現場を無視した設定に、考察としても納得いかない部分が多い。考察くん+20
thisisdropd
原文
Thought that fatso kid who made fun of Akane's father was just a one-off character. Who knew he'd return, or that he'd be nothing like his younger self? Jumbo's now a whole lot more mature and fully supportive of Akane's career. He even played a pivotal part in getting Iwa-sensei to accept her career path. He's got a way with words, turning Iwa-sensei's words against her.
Holy! We're getting a tournament arc so soon? With the geezer Issho as the head judge? Akane looked shocked. She might be burning with rage when she saw his face on the poster. All that expulsion memory came flashing back to her.
あかねの親父をバカにしたデブガキがまさか再登場するとは思わんかったわ。しかも昔とは全然違うやん。Jumboめっちゃ大人になってて、あかねのキャリア全力応援してるやん。岩先生に進路認めさせる立役者にもなったし。言葉巧みに岩先生の論法を逆手に取るあたり、マジで成長したンゴwww
おいおい、もう大会編くるの!?審査員長が一翁ってガチで草。ポスター見たあかねの顔、完全に凍りついてたやん。あの追放された記憶がフラッシュバックして怒りで燃え上がってそう。2ちゃん+40
Frontier246
Also he's basically a childhood friend who has supported her career and seems like her closest male friend so...barring a homewrecker, I think he's getting along well!
I hope Akane is able to keep it together performing in front of him rather than let her rakugo be consumed/corrupted by her grudge against him.
確かに。あのデブキャラ、まさか再登場するとは思わなかったな。
- 彼は彼女のキャリアを支えてきた幼なじみで、一番親しい男友達って感じだしね…家庭を壊すような奴じゃなければ、うまくやってると思うよ。
- あかねには、彼への恨みで落語を歪めず、目の前でちゃんと演じきってほしいな。普通くん+20
ModieOfTheEast
原文
I mean, I kind of get Iwa, since that is what literally happened to Akane's dad. Which is probably why she picked that opportunity to make sure Akane understands what she is going up against. Akane knows she wants to do Rakugo, so now she needs to know what (or in this case who) the potential danger is. So it's a good move by her. As there are two ways this can go. Either Akane is so good that the "last boss" already recognizes her or more likely, she will get a lot of criticism from him and has to learn to grow from that.
Also, good for Jumbo that he is now supportive of Akane. In general, while they only have small amount of screentime, her friends are a fun addition. I just wonder what Jumbo did to his nose. Like I did Judo for a while and nose injuries were not that likely in this sport. But tbf, I didn't get too far into competitions.
岩の意図は理解できるな。あれは実際に茜の父親に起こったことだから。だからこそ岩は、茜に自分が何に立ち向かっているのかを理解させる機会として、あの場を選んだんだろう。茜は落語をやりたいと自覚している以上、目の前の危険(この場合は“誰”が危険か)を知る必要がある。つまり岩の行動は正しい判断だと言える。
この先、展開は2通り考えられる。茜が天才過ぎて“ラスボス”に既に認められるパターンか、あるいは彼から大量の批判を浴びて、そこから成長を迫られるパターンか。後者の方が可能性は高そうだが。
あと、ジャンボが茜を応援してくれるようになったのは良かった。彼女の友人たちは出番は少ないながらも、良いアクセントになっている。ただ、ジャンボの鼻はどうしたんだろう。柔道やってた身としては、あの競技で鼻を負傷する確率は低いと思うんだが。まあ、自分は大会でそこまで勝ち進んだわけじゃないけどな。考察くん+41
eightcheesepizza
原文
If I were Iwa and I didn't know that Akane was an anime protagonist, I'd have said the same thing, even without the story of the failed comedian. Or rather, I would tell her to shoot for her dreams, but have a backup plan. That's what I did, and that's what I tell kids entering college today.
I feel like there must be some kind of middle ground where Akane can attend a college while pursuing rakugo? Whether or not it has a student rakugo group, as Iwa suggested. It's not like her grades are gonna get her in anywhere super tough.
確かに岩の気持ちも分かるよ。あかねの父親に実際起きたことだしね。俺が岩の立場で、あかねがアニメの主人公って知らなかったら、同じこと言ってたわ。夢は追えでも保険はかけとけってな。俺もそうしてきたし、今大学に入る子たちにもそう言ってる。
あかねが大学行きながら落語続ける道、絶対あると思うんだけどな。落語サークルあろうがなかろうが。あかねの成績じゃ超難関校は無理だろうけど。普通くん+37
ModieOfTheEast
原文
While I agree in principle, I also think it's hard to do both things at once. If you truly want to do an art form (or a sport) at a high enough level so that it can become your main source of income, it's usually not enough to just do it with half the effort. Because then you will always be at a disadvantage to the people that put in full time. Unless you are super talented.
Now I don't know how harsh Rakugo is when it comes to competition, but considering you have to earn your rank, it might be nearly impossible for you to have enough practice (and whatever other things you need) to earn that rank.
While it's not the same, I feel it's very similar to academics in general. I studied particle physics for example and after getting my degree, I had to make the decision if I want to stay in research or want to go into the industry. I couldn't do both, because it's hard to get back into research. But at the same time, research means, you never have security because all jobs are limited to only a few years and then you have to find a new one.
確かに原則的には同意やけど、両立はガチでムズいわな。
- 芸事(orスポーツ)で食おうと思ったら、半端な努力じゃ話にならん
- 天才以外はフルタイム勢に勝てんしな
- 落語の世界がどれだけ厳しいか知らんけど、階級取るには練習量が絶対必要やろ
- ワイも粒子物理学の研究と業界、両方は無理やったわ
研究は安定がないからな…まあ似たようなもんやな2ちゃん+31
eightcheesepizza
原文
That's true. We haven't seen how intense rakugo training will get once Akane is out of school yet, so I still envision a possibility where she studies some sort of literature or drama in college. Or does something that takes less time than college, which can be a backup plan.
I didn't know (or forgot) that we both have particle physics backgrounds. I was on the theory side, and it was hard seeing people much more brilliant than me do three postdocs and then age out without a professorship somewhere. Or having to live in the middle of nowhere because that's the only university that offered a position. I definitely had to activate my backup plan.
確かにそうだね。あかねが学校卒業した後の落語修行がどのくらいハードになるかまだわからないし、大学で文学とか演劇を学ぶ可能性もあると思うよ。あとは大学より時間のかからない選択肢をバックアップとして持つとか。
そういえば俺たち二人とも素粒子物理学のバックグラウンドだったんだね、忘れてたわ。俺は理論系だったんだけど、自分よりはるかに優秀な人たちがポスドク3回やって教授職に就けず年齢制限で落ちていくのを見るのは辛かったよ。田舎の大学でしかポジションもらえなかったりね。俺もバックアッププラン発動せざるを得なかったわ。普通くん+10
TsukumoYurika
Trust me - unless Akane were to master the art of bilocation, it would be absolutely impossible for her to do zenza work (which involves various errands that require physical presence at the yose) and attend university at the same time.
And that's even before we address the elephant in the room known as "some IRL masters and rakugo critics looking down at university-educated hanashika."
確かに、岩さんの立場なら同じことを言うのも理解できる。あかねが同時に二つの場所に存在できる超人でもない限り、寄席で走り回る前座の仕事と大学の講義を両立させるのは物理的に不可能だよな。
そして何より、現実の師匠方や落語評論家の中に「大学出の噺家を見下す風潮」があるという、この無視できない問題を考慮すると、さらに難しい状況だという考察ができる。考察くん+16
Frontier246
I'm sure Akane will be able to make it with Rakugo as a career but there's a part of me that wonders what kind of alternative career she could have if she did crash and burn like her dad.
Obviously something that would involve communicating with and interacting with people, and her good looks and personality would probably help even if she didn't have a college education.
確かに、あかねが落語で成功するとは思うんだけど、もし父親みたいに失敗したらどんな別の道があったんだろうって考えちゃうな。
- 人と関わる仕事なら向いてそう
- 見た目も性格もいいし、学歴がなくても何とかできそう普通くん+9
NanDemoKnaives
原文
Jumbo had a big glow-up, it took me by surprise when it was revealed he was the kid Akane fought with when they were younger, judo did good for him. He's a lot more mature now and I like how supportive he is of Akane, hopefully their friendship sticks after they graduate.
I understood Iwashimizu's reason for rejecting Akane's wishes, but I still do feel like it wasn't her place to completely deny it either, so I am glad she found a good approach after realizing her mistake thanks to Jumbo and how serious Akane is. Hopefully the next time a student like Akane appears, she'll have a more successful meeting with them.
ジャンボの成長ぶりには驚かされたな。幼少期にあかねと喧嘩してたあの子が今の姿になるとは、柔道が彼に良い影響を与えたという考察ができる。今は格段に成熟して、あかねへのサポートも厚い。卒業後もこの友情が続くといいな。
岩清水師範の判断も理解できなくはない。ただ、完全に否定するのは彼女の立場として適切だったとは言い難い。ジャンボの助言とあかねの本気度を目の当たりにしたことで、より良いアプローチを見つけたのは良かった。次に同じような生徒が現れた時は、もっと上手く対応できるよう願いたい。考察くん+30
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
Iwa sensei was a tough nut to crack at first. Akane was trying so hard to charm sensei and the woman was giving her nothing lol. Gotta thank the homie Jumbo for convincing sensei to check out that show. Once she had a chance to see her perform, she sure changed her tune.
I’m curious how Akane’s gonna do at that competition now that the old man’s gonna be a judge. It might be about time for her revenge on that bastard.
岩先生最初はめっちゃ手強かったな。あかねが必死に先生を口説いてるのに、マジで無反応で草ww あの噺を見に行くよう説得してくれたジャンボには感謝やな。実際に高座見てからは掌返しやん。
爺さんが審査員になったコンテストであかねがどう戦うか気になるわ。あのクソ野郎へのリベンジの時が来たかもしれんな。2ちゃん+27
CuriousWanderer567
It would be surprising if she already got her revenge on the main antagonist this early but I think it’ll probably still be a learning experience for her.
確かに、この早い段階でメインの敵に復讐できたら驚きだよね。でも、それも彼女にとっては良い学びになると思う。普通くん+11
mekerpan
This show continues to ba charmer. I am glad it is possible to watch it on Youtube -- and that the presentation there seems to be fine. But it makes no sense that this was not picked up by CR.
That TV scene with the comedian wash-out was shown earlier in the series -- but I can't remember who was watching it then....
I worry that encountering the villain of the story so early might be too soon.
同意。この作品はずっと魅力的やな。YouTubeで観れるのはありがたいし、画質も問題ない。でもCRが拾わなかったのはマジで謎やわ。
あのテレビの芸人引退シーン、前に出てきたよな…誰が観てたっけ?忘れたわ。
敵キャラが序盤すぎて出てくるの、ちょっと早すぎないか?ワイは心配や。2ちゃん+7
Roboglenn
原文
I feel like Akane could've at least mentioned to her teacher that she is already apprenticing under a well reputed Master of Rakugo *with* parental approval. I don't fault the teacher's pragmatism, but saying that you don't just have a foot in the door but are actually kinda inside the door already probably counts for something.
> If she wipes out my after school hours I'll have no time left for training.
Well there's a simple solution to that, just practice your Rakugo in those meetings right in front of her. If she's so insistent on plopping herself down in a room with you and essentially wasting each others time not taking your desires seriously, you may as well waste hers talking her ears off doing something productive.
Jumbo! Jumbo is here! Real good supportive guy he is. Like Morn from Star Trek Deep Space Nine, just a bit less vocal.
And speaking of Deep Space Nine having seen the episode a few days ago, seeing Akane just landspeed record her lunch just instantly made me think of the observation Elim Garak made to Dr. Bashir on the human tendency to eat quickly and not savor their food.
Okay again Akane, mentioning that you already have an apprenticeship with parental approval would've probably grease the teacher's reluctant wheels in some official capacity. Especially in light of the fact when the teacher was going on to Jumbo about how she just assumed rakugo was just some flippant whim for Akane without knowing all the facts about her. The teacher is being understandably pragmatic. But also, Akane herself seemingly hasn't being using every piece of evidence she has to make her own case to her.
> Isn't that what it means to be myopic?
Ooooo, he's got you there teach.
Indeed chibi Jumbo, body language in general is very important. It can make a man be able to transform from Clark Kent to Superman and back again all in a matter of seconds without the need to change costumes.
> Straight above, when would you look that way?
When you're performing a rakugo skit about Godzilla, that's when.
あかねは先生に「親の許可も得て、有名な落語家のもとで既に弟子入りしてる」って言っても良かったんじゃないかな。先生の現実的な考えは責められないけど、ドアに足を突っ込んでるどころか、もう中に入ってるって伝えれば意味があったはず。
「放課後つぶされたら練習時間なくなる」
それなら簡単だよ。その会議で目の前で落語の練習すればいいじゃん。先生がどうしても君の願いを無視して一緒に部屋に居座るなら、こっちも生産的な話で先生の時間を無駄にしてやればいい。
ジャンボ!ジャンボ来た!本当にいいサポート役だな。『スタートレック:ディープ・スペース・ナイン』のモーンみたいで、ちょっと口数少ないけど。
そういやDS9のあの回を見て思ったんだけど、あかねが昼食を爆速でかきこむ様子は、ガラクがバシーアに「人間はすぐ食べて味わわない」って言ったのを思い出した。
繰り返すけど、あかねは親公認の弟子入りを伝えてれば、先生の固い態度も公式に軟化させられたかもね。先生がジャンボに「落語はただの気まぐれ」って決めつけてたのを知ればなおさら。先生の慎重さは理解できるけど、あかね自身が証拠を全部使って自分を売り込んでないんだよな。
「それは近視眼的ってことじゃない?」
おお、先生、言い返されたな。
確かにちびジャンボ、ボディラン普通くん+20
TsukumoYurika
Akane's meal speedrunning is actually a very sneaky easter egg about the insider etiquette in the rakugo world where, whenever a junior goes to a meal with a senior, especially their master, they are supposed to be done with the meal before said senior - so as not to waste their time too much 😊
それな。あかねの食事の早食い、実は落語界の内部マナーを巧妙に示した伏線だと思われる。師匠や先輩と食事する時は、後輩が先に食べ終わるのが暗黙のルールで、相手の時間を無駄にしないための配慮なんだよな。この描写、制作陣の落語文化への深い理解が感じられる。考察くん+17
LeonKevlar
原文
* **Akane Stitch**
You gotta love how Jumbo went from being Akane's bully to becoming one of her biggest supporters. If it wasn't for him convincing Iwa-sen to watch Akane's performance, she would probably still be nagging Akane to find a career path that doesn't involve rakugo.
Speaking of Iwa-sen, how old is this woman? She says she used to have a student who failed becoming a comedian, and in that flashback, the student looks like he's already in his 30s. I know that flashback is supposed to show how she regrets letting her student do whatever he wanted, but now I just want to know what her skincare routine is. 😆
I genuinely had a good laugh at the Tenshiki story! While this one did have the usual cutaways from other characters, the story was so easy to follow that I didn't mind the interruptions and still appreciated the story.
It's finally time for the Karaku Cup, aka the first tournament arc of the series! I already can't wait for two of my favourite characters to show up soon!
* **あかねステッチ**
ジャンボが元いじめっ子から最大のサポーターになったの最高だよね。彼が岩瀬先生にあかねの高座を見るよう説得してなかったら、今でも「落語以外の道を探せ」って言われ続けてたかも。
岩瀬先生の年齢気になるわ。昔、漫才師になるのに失敗した生徒がいたって言ってたけど、その回想シーンの生徒もう30代ぐらいだったし。あの回想は「好き放題させた後悔」を描いてるんだろうけど、むしろスキンケア方法が知りたいわ😆
天志の話は普通に笑えた!いつもの他キャラのカットインはあったけど、話がわかりやすくて邪魔に感じなかったし、ちゃんと楽しめたよ。
いよいよ可楽杯、つまりシリーズ初のトーナメント編か!好きなキャラ2人が出てくるのが待ちきれない!普通くん+24
Frontier246
Akane is feisty, fun, dedicated to Rakugo, and looks amazing in a rakugo kimono. How could you deny her rakugo destiny?
She looks amazing for her age!
I'm glad we got a rakugo performance that we really got to see play out instead of being filled with characters talking over Akane's performance.
確かに。ジャンボの立ち位置の変化は見事なキャラクターアークだと思う。初期のいじめっ子から最大の支援者への転換は、単なる「改心」ではなく、彼自身がアカネの落語への真摯な姿勢に触れて価値観を再構築した結果だと考察できる。特に、アカネの着物姿の美しさと年齢不相応な魅力は、彼女が落語という伝統芸能に「選ばれた存在」であることを視覚的に暗示しているとも言える。そして何より、本編でちゃんと一席見せてくれたのは制作陣の英断だ。観客に「語らせる」のではなく「見せる」ことで、アカネの実力を疑う余地をなくした構成は、作品としての誠実さを感じる。考察くん+10
Panda_Cavalry
Clearly Iwa-sensei is benefitting from dem Asian genes, you look like you're in your 20s until you hit 60 and then bam, you turn into a raisin.
(that'll be me someday T_T)
岩センセ完全にアジア人の遺伝子パワーやんwww
20代みたいな顔して60歳で一気に干しブドウになるパターンやな
(ワイもいつかああなるんやろな…(泣))2ちゃん+7
This-is_CMGRI
As always, SE Asia and other territories can watch from this link. The global Akane-banashi channel has been expanding their coverage for Westerners, so stay tuned. Finally, only r/Akane has the more active userbase.
いつもの通り、東南アジアやその他の地域はこのリンクから視聴可能だ。グローバルの「あかね噺」チャンネルは欧米向けのカバレッジを拡大しているので、要注目。最後に、r/Akaneだけがより活発なユーザーベースを保っている点も興味深い。この拡大戦略は、制作陣が海外市場を意識し始めた証拠だと思われる。考察くん+19
Shimmering-Sky
原文
- Wow…
- Sounds kind of like what I did when I first signed up for band class. You were supposed to pick two instruments you were interested in, but I picked clarinet both times.
- She talked herself into a corner…
- Pfff
- Oh you are *so* wrong about this being something Akane decided on a whim. She’s been gunning for this all her life.
- Ohhhhhhhhh, *he’s* the kid who was the bully from the first episode. That went right over my head until this part.
- Ah… that’s why she’s so harsh on Akane…
- Sensei “sore demo”!
- Oh.
- There’s an Ozaki “sore demo” too!
- There’s another sensei “sore demo”! Three in one episode that came out on my birthday, I am content.
- Oh boy…
わあ…
なんか初めて吹奏楽部に入った時みたいな感じだな。希望の楽器を2つ書くんだけど、俺は両方クラリネットにしちゃったんだよね。
自分で追い込んじゃった感じ…
ぷっ
いや、あかねがノリで決めたとか絶対違うからね。ずっとこれ狙ってたんだよ。
おおおお、あいつ第1話のいじめっ子のガキか。ここまで気づかなかったわ。
ああ…それであかねにあんなに厳しいのか…
先生の「それでも」!
あ。
尾崎さんの「それでも」もある!
また先生の「それでも」! 俺の誕生日に一話で三回も聞けて満足だわ。
おやおや…普通くん+15
Frontier246
Happy Birthday! And Happy Triple Sore Demo's!
おめでとー!トリプルSore Demo'sもおめでとじゃん!ギャル+7
Shimmering-Sky
Thanks!
ありがとう!普通くん+6
Frontier246
原文
Akane lives and breathes Rakugo! Like listening to it while she's sleeping and before school! Which, yeah, she is still a high school girl going to high school and getting by thanks to help from her gal pals!
There's also her teacher Iwa-sensei (Mariya Ise!) who is a beautiful "ice queen" cool beauty of a teacher who wants Akane to take her future seriously. Obviously Akane is fully committed to Rakugo and will dedicate the rest of her life to it after she graduates (her mom and Kyoji won't let her shirk her current studies otherwise), but as a teacher Iwa feels that Akane shouldn't limit her options and go to college. Now Akane has to prove herself to her teacher.
Who would have thought Jumbo, that little @#$% from episode 1, would end up growing into a surprisingly handsome, strong, and dedicated guy? One who has been Akane's genuine childhood friend all throughout their school years and has been genuinely supporting her Rakugo!
Classic Akane maneuever of trying to get to better know her "opponent" and act all charming and chummy to figure out how to "beat" them. Though while she can't really fake being a bookworm, she can talk your head out when it comes to Rakugo.
Jumbo hasn't just been there to help Akane film and prep for her lines/performances, he's also there attending said performances and even talking Iwa-sensei into showing up! That's what we call a Rakugo Wingman.
So there WAS blowback for Issho over his actions...but his Big Bad-level Rakugo was so good he restored the public favor back to himself. Take him down, Akane!
I understand where Iwa is coming from. She supported a student getting into the entertainment industry and he crashed and burned, so she doesn't think she can support students lightly without serious consideration. But when she sees how dedicated and capable Akane is in Rakugo, how much effort she's putting in, how she can genuinely make others laugh...she can't help but see that this is where Akane deserves to be!
And as Akane's teacher, she's going to help her student the only way she can: by introducing Akane to a competition for young Rakugo Perfomers...headlined by none other than Akane's nemesis, Issho Arakawa!
Akane-Kobanashi! Eye and head movements are important to Rakugo, though looking up into the sky when you're trying to remember something is universal.
あかねは落語に生きてるンゴwww 寝るときも学校行く前も聞いてるってガチやばいやん!でもちゃんと女友達に助けられて高校生活送ってる模様
岩瀬先生(伊瀬茉莉也!)は氷の女王みたいな美人教師で、あかねに将来のこと真剣に考えろって言ってるんやな。あかねは卒業後は落語一本でいくつもりやけど、先生は大学行けって。ここで証明しないといかんのか
1話のジャンボがまさかこんなイケメンで頼れる幼なじみに成長するとは思わんかったわ。ずっとあかねの落語支えてるんやで
あかねの得意技、相手の懐に入り込んで情報収集するやつwww 本は読めんけど落語なら語りまくれるって草
ジャンプは動画撮影だけじゃなくて公演にも来て岩瀬先生まで連れてきた!まさに落語の相棒や
一翔にも批判はあったんやな…でも実力で巻き返した模様。あかね倒してこい!
岩瀬先生の気持ちもわかるわ。昔芸能界目指した生徒が失敗したから慎重になってるんやろ。でもあかねの本気見たら応援せざるを得ないって感じやな
そして先生なりの応援方法が、あかねの宿敵・一翔が審査員の若手落語家コンテストに紹介することやと!
あかね小噺!目線や首の動きが大事なんやな。思い出そうとする時に空見るのは2ちゃん+13
Bassaluna
Teacher casually telling Akane that Issho is gonna be the judge of a competition. Tournament arc here we go
やばっ!先生が普通に「一生が審査員やるよ」って言っちゃったんだけど!?大会編キターー!!ギャル+13
FarCritical
Granted she sat in the back but I was half expecting Akane to recognize her teacher in the audience and get at least mildly shaken up.
And Jumbo's redemption arc is a thing of beauty.
確かに彼女は後ろの方に座ってたけど、あかねが客席にいる師匠に気づいてちょっと動揺するかなって思ってたんだよね。
あとジャンボの更生エピソードは本当に美しいと思う。普通くん+10
mmcjawa_reborn
原文
Random Thoughts
It was nice to see a little bit of Akane's school life. Didn't expect to see the return of the bully from the first episode, who now is besties with Akane (not to mention buff as hell...Akane was right...Judo was the best thing to happen to that dude).
Was sort of expecting a deeper reason why the teacher might be skeptical about Akane's career choices...the mention of reading made me at first wonder if she was a failed author.
I very much sympathize with the teacher, and her insistence is probably correct most of the time. I can't tell you how many young people I have seen dead set on careers that they didn't have the skillset or dedication for. Akane though does have enough talent to make a go at it (although even then I get a sense that even talent might not be enough in that profession, and I would also surmise women our at a disadvantage)
The last bit about how Akane's dad getting expelled was a big enough deal to make the news was interesting...it sort of comes off as if the expulsion was less about the students and more a sinister attempt to get publicity for the guy's own career. I'm looking forward to seeing how this showdown is going to go down.
あかねの学校生活が少し垣間見えたのは良かったな。1話のいじめっ子が戻ってくるとは思わなかったけど、今ではあかねと親友になってるし、しかもめちゃくちゃムキムキになってる…あかねの言う通り、柔道はあの男にとって最高の選択だったんだな。
先生があかねの進路に懐疑的な理由にもっと深い事情があるかと思ったけど…「読書」の話が出た時、最初は先生自身が挫折した作家なんじゃないかと疑っちゃったよ。
先生にはすごく共感できるし、彼女の主張は大抵の場合正しいんだろうな。スキルや覚悟もないのに特定のキャリアに固執する若者をどれだけ見てきたか分からない。ただ、あかねにはそれを成功させるだけの才能がある(とはいえ、その業界では才能だけじゃ足りない気もするし、女性は不利な立場に置かれがちだとも思う)。
最後の、あかねの父親が破門されたことがニュースになるほど重大な出来事だったって部分は興味深い…あの破門は生徒のためというより、むしろ本人のキャリアのための宣伝目的だったんじゃないかという邪な考察ができる。この対決がどう展開するのか楽しみだ。考察くん+12
Vermillion_Crab
原文
Damn Jumbo jumpscare with the flashback on who he was. Lmao. My mind immediately went to, ah potential love interest. Then I remembered this was shonen. If any romance plot happens, it'll probably happen on the 517th chapter or in the epilogue of the finale. Lol
Also, not a fan of how they initially wrote the conflict of this episode. I feel like they could have handled it better without the teacher outright rejecting Akane's career choice even after she admits she hasn't seen a rakugo performance before. I get what they were going for but eh.
I have to constantly remind myself to adjust my expectations because the tone and atmosphere is so different from Rakugo Shinjuu.
ジャンボのフラッシュバックでビビったわ笑 最初見たとき「あ、恋愛フラグ?」って思ったけどすぐに「これ少年漫画だわ」って思い出した。もし恋愛要素が入るとしても517話か最終回のエピローグだろな笑
あと今回の衝突の描き方はちょっとな…先生があかねの進路を、落語見たことないって言っただけで完全否定するのはもっと上手くできたんじゃないかな。狙いはわかるけど微妙だわ。
『昭和元禄落語心中』と雰囲気違いすぎて、常に自分の期待値を調整しないといけないのが辛い。普通くん+11
Guaymaster
原文
> Also, not a fan of how they initially wrote the conflict of this episode. I feel like they could have handled it better without the teacher outright rejecting Akane's career choice even after she admits she hasn't seen a rakugo performance before. I get what they were going for but eh.
Necessary weasel, but really, there would be no plot if Akane said "I've want to become a professional rakugoka, I'm already lined up to formally enter the Arakawa school under Master Shiguma when I finish high school and have aproval from my parents, and have already been trained by him since elementary school".
ああ、確かにそれはそうかもな。でももしあかねが「もうプロになる準備できてます、親も承知済みです」って言っちゃったら話が始まらんしな。仕方ないけど、そういうすり抜け方しかできんかったんやろな。2ちゃん+7
HolyDragSwd2500
Akane performance melted Iwa sensei heart
あかねのパフォーマンス、岩先生の心溶かしちゃったじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル+11
ratherthanme
Karaku Cup arc letsgooooo
からく杯編キターー!!普通くん+6
CrimsonGear80
Every picture that old fuck takes looks like he’s about to vaporize the city…
あのジジイが撮る写真、全部「街を消し炭にするぞ」って構えてるようにしか見えなくて草ァ!w感情くん+7
tapdancinghellspawn
I love that no matter what Akane is doing, she has a fire burning in her. I so badly want her to succeed. Passion is a beautiful thing.
あかねが何をしてても心に炎を宿してるのが本当に好き。めっちゃ成功してほしいよ。情熱って美しいものだね。普通くん+7
SkyCrossSteel
Don’t know why it took me this long to notice but the soundtrack and usage of it in this show is really good. That ending bit with Issho and the crazy good drumming going along. I first started to notice actively when Akane first talked to her teacher a lil hits of music.
Wonder who is doing the soundtrack I have a guess that may be wrong. Is it the guy who did Haikyuu and My Hero?
気付くの遅すぎたわ草ww
このアニメのBGM、めっちゃ良くね?
一翔と太鼓のシーン、ガチでやばかったわ。
あかねが師匠と話すとこでもちょっと音楽流れてたな。
で、誰が作曲してんの?
ハイキューとかヒロアカのあの人ちゃう?
違うかもしらんけど。2ちゃん+7
eggplant_avenger
Jumbo watching Akane’s self-taped rakugo with her is very sweet. Didn’t realise they were that close
やばっ!Jumboが一緒にあかねの録画した落語見てるの超ほっこりするんだけど!そんなに仲良かったんだね、マジ知らんかったわ〜ギャル+5
kixiron
Every time Jumbo shows up in this episode, I can't help but notice those cauliflower ears... That's quite a detail.
今週のエピソードでジャンボが出てくるたびに、どうしてもカリフラワーみたいな耳が気になっちゃうんだよね…結構細かいとこまで描いてるなって思う。普通くん+5
HolyDragSwd2500
She saw Akane Nen during her performance
「彼女、あかねのパフォーマンス中にネンを見てたんだ…! それってエモすぎるッ! 泣くわ」感情くん+5
Ancient_Breakfast_48
Akane did say she thought it might be her. She was at the very back and Akane wasn't really sure if she'd actually show up.
あかね本人も「もしかしたらその人かも」って言ってたじゃん!しかも一番後ろにいたし、あかねも本当に来るか確信なかったっぽいしな〜ギャル+10
runevault
They've done that before. I think it was last episode it was Sake for three vs free, and when I asked in the thread someone confirmed the original version was sake from some region that rhymed with the Japanese word for free. So to recreate the idea of the joke they changed to another similar sounding word joke.
草、前も同じことやってたンゴwww
前回のスレで「酒の銘柄とfreeが韻踏んでるから別の言葉に変えた」って誰かが言ってたわ。
つまり元ネタのジョークを再現するために、似たような語呂合わせに変えたってわけやな。2ちゃん+5
ohoni
Youtube?
「え、YouTubeで見たの!?それもう神回すぎるッ!待って待って、このシーン何度見てもエモすぎて泣ける…無理、優勝」感情くん+6
doomrider7
It's less the teacher being won over, and more her being the catalyst for the next arc.
先生が心を開いたっていうより、彼女が次のアークのきっかけになったって感じだね。普通くん+7