手札が多めのビクトリア

本当にありがとうって思うのよ

2026.8.25 r/anime

AutoLovepon
本当にありがとうって思うのよ
姿を消したビクトリアとノンナはランダル王国で別人を装い、「マリア」と息子「ライル」として暮らしていた。その2カ月前、ビクトリア失踪直後のアシュベリー王国では、ジェフリーのことを嗅ぎ回る不審者が...。
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PeaceAlien
do you think I can call you Mom? I'm dead, too cute and emotional
まじでやばくね!?ママって呼んでいい!?私も死んだわ、かわいすぎて泣けるんだけど!!ギャル
Frontier246
Those tears and smile from Vicky, probably one of her most genuine moments in the entire show, was so precious.
ヴィッキーのあの涙と笑顔、番組全体を通して一番素の表情だったかもしれないな。本当に貴重なシーンだった。普通くん
mekerpan
One of the loveliest moments of any show this season.
某、今季のどの番組よりも美しき一幕でござるな。武士
reaperow
So precious, they really knew how to hit us in the feels this ep
可愛すぎやろ……今週のエピ、ガチで涙腺崩壊させにきてるやんwww2ちゃん
ogaat
The timing of Nonna and the way she put it across was brilliant She is like a plus version of Chloe/Victoria.
ノンナのタイミングと伝え方が天才すぎるッ!クロエやヴィクトリアの強化版みたいで最高だわ。感情くん
Ill-Vast-4693
It's obvious that Nonna's argument about keeping track of cover identities was just an excuse, and that the real reason why Nonna asked if she could call Vicky Mom was because she wanted Vicky to officially be her mom. And that's what made it so beautiful.
ノンナの「偽装身分を把握するため」って言い訳、ガチで見え透いてたやろwww 本当はヴィッキーに「お母さん」って呼びたかっただけやん。それが公式に認められたってのが尊すぎて草生えるわ2ちゃん
ogaat
Indeed. That kid will almost definitely turn out to be a genius. They are hinting at it.
確かに!あの子絶対天才になるって。伏線張りまくってるし、無理すぎるッ!感情くん
BosuW
I cried twice to an anime episode today but thankfully the second time was happy tears
本日、我が魂は二度も揺さぶられた。一度目は深き絶望の涙、されど二度目は天啓のごとき歓喜の涙なり。運命は我に試練と祝福を同時に与えしのか。中二病
Mindless-Care9301
Nonna is really the MVP for this series
ノンナがこのシリーズのMVPやろwww ガチで活躍やばすぎやんw2ちゃん
KumaKumaGambler
They saved each other and became family even without being blood related. Vicky saved Nonna from being abandoned; Nonna gave Vicky purpose in life. Jeffrey is surely a good man. His subordinates like him; even his boss wanted to let the matter regarding the identity of Vicky slide.
血の繋がりがなくても、お互いを救って家族になったんだね。ヴィッキーはノンナを見捨てられずに救って、ノンナはヴィッキーに生きる意味を与えた。ジェフリーは本当にいい人だと思う。部下にも慕われてるし、上司もヴィッキーの身分のことを見逃そうとしてたし。普通くん
reaperow
They also saved Jeff too, poor guy's been down for way too long and they really lifted him up Just hope they can all reunite soon
ジェフも救われたんだよな!可哀想な奴、長すぎる間ずっと落ち込んでたのに、みんなが本当に支えてくれたんだ!早く全員で再会できるといいな、マジでそれしか願ってない!感情くん
Frontier246
I guess it'll take Jeffrey to "save" Vicky by helping her realize she's free, can settle down, and can embrace her feelings and truly be with him.
ジェフリーがヴィッキーを「救う」んだろうなw彼女に自由だって気づかせて、落ち着けるし、自分の気持ちを受け入れれば本当に一緒にいられるって教える感じか笑wwwおじ
mekerpan
Nonna needs some younger siblings....
ノンナに妹弟がもっと必要だろ……ッ!それだけで物語がさらに輝くのに!感情くん
KumaKumaGambler
Even Vicky misses Jeffrey when she imagined him in the room.
やばくない!?ヴィッキーがジェフリーのこと部屋に想像した時、まじで恋しがってたんだけど!!泣けるわ〜ギャル
KillerCockapoo
Right?! Just like Jeffrey imagined Vicky being in her old room.
それな!ジェフリーがヴィッキーを昔の部屋で想像してたのと同じだよね。普通くん
mastereluder6
The super trained assassin rushing an empty bed that's clearly extremely well lighted and visible, sigh
うむ、超訓練された暗殺者があれほど明るく見通しの良い空の寝床に突っ込むとは……まったく、嘆かわしいことでござるな。武士
NanDemoKnaives
I can see why they needed Victoria lol.
ヴィクトリアが必要な理由わかるわwww2ちゃん
Pickled_Kagura
It was like a middleschool basketball team with Michael Jordan on the court.
やばくね!?マイケル・ジョーダンがコートにいるのに、他のメンバーが中学生のバスケ部って感じじゃん!まじでその構図やばいわ笑ギャル
mastereluder6
Assassin from Lidl
リドルの暗殺者とか草生えるわwww2ちゃん
grimrequiem
The bar is too high I guess
基準高すぎじゃね?笑ギャル
reaperow
No wonder Victoria was their best, these guys suck lol
なるほど、ヴィクトリアが彼らの最強格だったのも納得だ。この連中など、我が目を持ってしても哀れな雑兵に過ぎぬわ。中二病
Gaming_Truckie
Even the head of the organisation is too lazy/stupid to dispose of all of Victoria's care packages and just threw them in a room for her to find
組織のトップまでが怠け者すぎて、ビクトリアのケアパッケージ全部を処分するのが面倒で、ただ部屋に投げ込んで見つけさせるってまじ笑えるんだけど!?ギャル
athrun_1
Of all people, they knew that their approach of attacking the house will not be effective. If Victoria is there, by the time the bushes rustle she is already outside to meet them.
みんな分かってたはずだよ、家を襲う作戦は効かないって。ビクトリアがいたら、茂みがガサガサ音を立てる頃にはもう外に出て待ち構えてるからね。普通くん
hanmkim
Or it would have been like when the assassins went after John Wick in his home in the first movie.
せやな、1作目でジョン・ウィックの家に暗殺者らが突入したシーンみたいになっとったやろな。2ちゃん
Frontier246
Hagl's competency level went down a few notches after losing Chloe.
クロエを失ってから、ハーグルの能力レベルが数段下がったな。普通くん
1EnTaroAdun1
The super trained assassin rushing an empty bed that's clearly extremely well lighted and visible, sigh Look, maybe she built a false bottom in the bed, ok
いやいやいや、超訓練された暗殺者がめっちゃ明るくて見えまくりの空ベッドに突っ込むってどういうこと!?笑 まあ、ベッドに偽装の隠しスペース作ってる可能性もあるっちゃあるけどさ〜ギャル
mastereluder6
We had a clear view of the bed , so nop
ベッドがよく見えたから、無理だな。普通くん
Recon7474
Listen teams A through R where unavailable so they had to send the s team
Sチームしか残ってなかったから、AからRまでのチームは全員無理だったってことか…しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
hanmkim
And then the guy with the sword decided to get right up to knife range to get rid of any reach advantage he might have had.
しかも剣持ってるやつが、リーチ活かせる距離からわざわざ接近戦に持ち込んだんだよな。普通くん
fullcrimpedahead
原文
i mean, there's a theory that when governmental organizations do not need to compete for talent, the organisation doesn't feel the need to focus on results. your organization is falling behind? kidnap a few more competent people! and as a result, these organisation prioritize things like loyalty more than outcome. because its easier for your loyal dog to report your incredible work than a competent one reporting on how you could improve.
つまりな、政府機関とかが人材獲得に競争する必要ない場合、組織は結果に集中する必要性を感じないって理論があるんや。組織が遅れてる?優秀な奴を何人か拉致ってこいや!ってなるわな。結果的にそういう組織は成果より忠誠心を優先するんや。だって有能な奴が改善点を報告するより、忠実な犬が「すごい仕事してます!」って報告する方が楽やからな。2ちゃん
Primary-Paint-1716
This will go down as one of the best found family stories in anime.
これはアニメ史に残る最高の擬似家族ストーリーの一つになると思う。普通くん
reaperow
Agreed !! I did feel it was a lil similiar to spy x family when ep 1 came out but i quickly came to really appreciate this anime I hope we can get a 2nd season too
確かに!!最初はスパイファミリーに似てるかなって思ったんだけど、すぐにこのアニメの良さにハマったんだよね!まじで2期も来てほしいんだけど!!ギャル
BosuW
Actually this is more what I wanted SxF to be lol. Though I've come to enjoy it for what it is.
実はこれが俺がSxFに求めてたものだったんだよね笑。でも今は今の形で楽しんでるよ。普通くん
Shizzi
This is what i imagined Yor to be but got disappointed so really nice to have a real spy
ワイが想像してたヨル像と違ってガッカリしてたんやけど、ちゃんとしたスパイが来てくれてマジで良かったわ2ちゃん
BosuW
Yor's character genuinely gets done so dirty by being only good at fighting 😭 Damn shame
ヨルのキャラ、戦闘しか取り柄がないって扱いなのはマジで不憫だわ😭 もったいなさすぎる普通くん
Shizzi
it really is
本当にそうだよな…。感情くん
runevault
So Vicky did take Nonna with, and now is disguising her as a boy. Cute. Just a wig though not hair dye for our cute little gremlin. I'm so bummed out this is a short show with only one episode left. I love the characters and would have been nice to get a full season of them at least.
ビクトリアがノンナを連れて行ったのか。しかも男の子に変装させてる。可愛いけどな。ウィッグだけってのがまたこの小悪魔らしい。だが残念だ、残り1話で終わりか。キャラは気に入ってたし、せめて1クールは見たかったな。ドライおじ
Frontier246
I love how we've gone from being "formerly a tomboy" raising a "current tomboy" to raising a literal "boy."
「元・男勝り」が「現役・男勝り」を育てて、今度は文字通り「男の子」を育てるって……最高すぎるだろッ!この流れ天才か?優勝!感情くん
mianghuei
Nonna Operative in training! But like damn she is smart........
ノンナ、オペレーター研修中やん!でもガチで頭良すぎやろ........2ちゃん
mekerpan
One of the best mother-child bonds this season -- unlike some of the terrible (biological) parent-daughter bonds in other new shows this season.
今期で一番の親子の絆だと思うよ。他の新作アニメの(実の)親子関係がひどすぎるのとは対照的だね。普通くん
BosuW
I find it a bit sad that the spycraft abilities are surviving in Nonna given how much harm they caused Vicky. I don't think it's healthy to live learning to keep so many secrets and lie so easily about your very identity. Though on the bright side, they're very unlikely to be used for ill again.
ノンナにスパイ技術が残ってるの見るとちょっと悲しいンゴ……ヴィッキーにあれだけ害もたらしたのに。自分の正体すら平気で偽るような嘘と秘密だらけの生き方、健全やないわ。まあ、もう悪用されることはまずないやろうけどな。2ちゃん
mekerpan
This will be an instant "move on to the LNs" series for me. The author's earlier series were awkward in terms of handling but had interesting characters and story angles (readable "for free" with Kobo plus). It seems like the writer has matured further with this new series -- which I DO have to pay for on Kobo (and will).
このシリーズは即「原作小説に移行」案件だな。作者の過去作は描写が拙い部分もあったが、キャラやストーリーの切り口は面白かった(Kobo plusで無料で読める範囲ね)。今回の新作はさらに筆が熟達してる印象がある——Koboで有料なのが残念だが(それでも買う価値はある)。考察くん
runevault
It is funny, among the main 3 ebook platforms (Kindle Kobo and Nook) Kobo is the only one I haven't interacted with (I actually own an eink reader for both Kindle and Nook). Especially as I used to know a guy who was a... VP I think? at Kobo.
メインの電子書籍プラットフォーム3つ(Kindle、Kobo、Nook)の中で、Koboだけは触ったことがないんだよね(実はKindleとNookはe-inkリーダー持ってるんだけど)。特に昔、KoboでVPだったかな?って人を知ってたから、結構面白い話だと思う。普通くん
mekerpan
I had a Nook long ago. And I try to avoid Amazon as much as possible. I had a Rakuten account for ordering things like yukata (which alas are no longer available from them). So -- I decided to go Kobo.
昔Nookを持っていたんだ。Amazonはできるだけ避けるようにしてる。楽天のアカウントで浴衣とか注文してたんだけど、残念ながら今はもう取り扱いがなくなっちゃってね。だからKoboにしようと決めたんだ。考察くん
goddessofthewinds
原文
I had a Rakuten account for ordering things like yukata (which alas are no longer available from them). Wait, what? I just checked and it still seems to be sold on Rakuten... Unless you meant the US version of Rakuten? Or is it because they changed their shipping rules? I got almost all of my Japanese clothing through Rakuten and I still see them available for purchase... unless they no longer ship worldwide like they did back in the days... I personally refuse to buy on Amazon. I did think about moving on to Kobo, but I decided that buying stuff that has DRM and can be removed from my account is not worth a purchase, so I do not buy ebooks. I will however buy Japanese-language Light Novels, mangas and animes whenever I can, and I made a decent collection of my favorites so far. I hope to grow it more. Only physical purchases are worth spending money on. I'll die on this hill.
楽天アカウント持ってて浴衣とか注文してたんだけど(もう取り扱いなくなっちゃったけど)。待って、何これ?今確認したらまだ楽天で売ってるっぽいんだけど…アメリカ版の楽天のこと言ってる?それとも配送ルール変わったから?和服はほぼ全部楽天で買ってたし、今も買えるの見えるんだけど…昔みたいに海外発送しなくなったってこと?個人的にAmazonは絶対使わない。Koboに移行しようか考えたけど、DRM付きでアカウントから消されうるものは買う価値ないと思って、電子書籍は買わない。でも日本語のライトノベルとかマンガ、アニメは買える時に買ってて、今お気に入りで結構コレクションできた。もっと増やしたいな。物理メディアだけが買う価値ある。これは絶対譲れない。普通くん
mekerpan
There used to be something called Rakuten Global, which handled things from small Japanese businesses. A few years back, this was discontinued. Now if you want these kinds of things in the USA, you need to use brokers. (Unless this has changed back more recently). Looking at the current US site, it is not possible (for me) to find the sort of "real" yukata I would want.
昔は楽天グローバルっちゅうもんがあってな、日本の小規模店舗の商品も扱っとったんや。数年前にこれが終了してしもうた。今アメリカでそういうもん欲しいなら、ブローカー使うしかないンゴ(最近また変わってない限りやけど)。現行の米国サイト見ても、ワイが欲しい感じの「本物の」浴衣は見つからへんわ。2ちゃん
goddessofthewinds
原文
Oh, that sucks... I always used Rakuten JP (with the English translated version) to buy my stuff. They shipped to Canada (where I live) even in the JP version of the website. It's unfortunate the US version no longer sells them. The JP version still has the small businesses and big stores selling various goods, kimono, yukata and etc. I would check if you can still import them from Japan directly. I haven't tested in recent years though, so I can't confirm if it still works, but that's how I bought my stuff back then. Might have to create another account for the JP version though, I'm not sure. Give it a try if you want. Shipping would probably cost more from the JP site though, if they still ship elsewhere.
それは残念だな…俺はいつも楽天JP(英語翻訳版)を使って買い物してたんだよ。俺の住んでるカナダにもJP版サイトなら配送してくれてた。US版が取り扱いをやめたのは痛いな。JP版にはまだ中小企業や大手ショップが着物や浴衣など様々な商品を出品してるから、日本から直接輸入できるか確認する価値はあると思う。最近は試してないから確実とは言えないけど、昔はそれで買ってたんだ。JP版用に別アカウント作る必要があるかもしれないが、試してみる価値はあるぞ。ただし、JPサイトからの配送料は高くなる可能性が高いな。考察くん
mekerpan
I don't think Rakuten Japan will ship things like this to the USA anymore.
楽天日本はもうこういうのをアメリカには送ってくれないと思うな。普通くん
goddessofthewinds
Right... Rakuten US wasn't a thing when I bought from them I think... Now I'm second-guessing if they still ship... Would be a shame if you are only stuck with generic stuff. Rakuten was good exactly because you could buy Japanese goods that couldn't be found elsewhere.
確かに…私が購入した頃は楽天USは存在していなかったと思う。今はまだ発送してくれるのか不安になってきたな。もし一般的な商品しか買えないなら残念だ。楽天の良さは、他では手に入らない日本製品を購入できる点にあったわけだから。考察くん
fullcrimpedahead
the manga has gone quite far ahead i think! many more chapters!
マンガめっちゃ先まで進んでるじゃん!まだまだチャプターいっぱいあるんだって!やばくね!?ギャル
mekerpan
Just bought LN1
LN1買ってもうたわwww2ちゃん
fullcrimpedahead
interesting that you start from the beginning again. i always try to find a pickup point...
最初から見直すの面白いね。俺はいつも途中から再開しちゃうんだけどな。普通くん
mekerpan
It depends. There seem to be a few extra, interesting details so far
まあ場合によるんだけどさ、今のところ結構面白い細かい要素がいくつかあるっぽいんだよね!ギャル
TODOROKI-lover4life
Wait what theres only one ep left 😭😭😭 We better get another season two plzzz 🥹
え、マジで残り1話しかないの😭😭😭 シーズン2絶対やってほしいんだけど🥹普通くん
nuxxism
I'm sorry Jeffrey. Your princess is in another castle. Victoria too damn good at her 'job'.
ジェフリーすまんな。お前の姫は別の城におるわ。ビクトリアがガチで仕事上手すぎるンゴwww2ちゃん
PeaceAlien
That baby lamb came out with aura. Vicky is too clever for her own good. Jeffrey was so close :'(
あの子羊、オーラやばくね!?ヴィッキー頭良すぎて逆に怖いわ笑 ジェフリー惜しすぎたんだけど…まじ泣ける:(ギャル
Frontier246
"Lyle": "Mom, the lamb had a golden aura! Is that normal?" Victoria: "Um...yes, that is the miracle of childbirth!" Poor Jeffrey pursuing the most competent woman who always thinks she has to be on the run.
「ライル」:「ママ、子羊が金色に光ってたんだけど、あれ普通?」ヴィクトリア:「えっと…そうね、それが分娩の奇跡よ!」有能すぎるがゆえに常に逃げなきゃと思ってる女を追いかけるジェフリーが不憫だな。普通くん
karer3is
TBF it's not just Victoria's imagination... the arrival of those assassins was pretty much proof that she did , in fact, need to keep running. Sure, maybe Jefferey's connections might shield her somewhat, but I could see Hagl escalate to going after the handful of people close to Victoria.
TBF、ワイの見解やけどビクトリアの妄想ちゃうで…暗殺者来た時点でほぼ証明されたやん、実際逃げ続ける必要あったんやろな。確かにジェフリーのコネで多少は守られるかもやけど、ハグルがエスカレートしてビクトリアの周りの数人狙う展開は普通にあり得るンゴwww2ちゃん
szalhi
Nonna of Many Faces. Evolution. If Victoria's forever on the run, then he is too.
ノンナ・オブ・マニーフェイセス、進化してんなw ビクトリアが永遠に逃げ続けるなら、こいつも同じ運命ってわけか笑 まじで面白い設定だわwwwwおじ
Frontier246
I like to imagine Victoria telling Nonna she'd have to play a boy and her being so into it as a natural tomboy. That "mom" basically made Vicky's entire life worth it for that one moment. Now if she could just have as fulfilling a romantic life as she did in becoming a mom... Nothing says star-crossed lovers like a seemingly endless pursuit...
ビクトリアがノンナに男役をやるって言われて、自然にトムボーイとしてノリノリになる姿を想像するのが好きだな。あの「ママ」って瞬間だけで、ヴィッキーの人生全部に価値が出た感じがする。あとは、ママになることと同じくらい充実した恋愛ができればいいんだけどね…終わりの見えない追いかけっこほど、悲恋を象徴するものはないよね。普通くん
ShadowGuyinRealLife
You know I noticed Vicotria only occasionally changes her face on infiltration and isn't doing much to change it while on the run. She just changed what job she's pretending to have. Vicotria of many jobs I think would have been a better title. Nonna did that on purpose, she definably can remember the other names. Look Jeff, I know you like her, but she's not worth throwing away your family.
ワイが気づいたんやけど、ビクトリアって潜入時に顔を変えるのはたまにだけで、逃亡中はあんま変えてないよな。ただ偽装する職業を変えてるだけや。『多職のビクトリア』の方がタイトルにふさわしいと思うわ。ノンナはわざとやってる、他の名前も絶対覚えられるはずや。なあジェフ、お前が彼女のこと好きなのは分かるけど、家族を捨てる価値はないで。2ちゃん
KillerCockapoo
The Evolution image was a highlight for me. Nonna & Vicky's conversation about the ewe being in pain while giving birth was also very touching.
エヴォリューションの映像は個人的にハイライトだったな。ノンナとヴィッキーが羊の出産の痛みについて話すシーンもすごく心に響いたよ。普通くん
Ocixo
I’m not going to lie: Victoria wasn’t the only one on the verge of tears. Nonna asking her if she’d be allowed to call her “mom” also got a little to me. The two of them are closer than ever. I just hope that Jeffrey will be able to find them and complete this happy little family.
正直言うと、ワイも泣きそうやったわ。ヴィクトリアだけやなくてな。ノンナが「お母さんって呼んでもええ?」って聞いてきた時はワイもグッときてもうた。二人の距離がほんまに縮まってるな。あとはジェフリーが二人を見つけて、幸せな家族が完成することを願うわ。2ちゃん
Frontier246
She's fully embraced being a mom and having a daughter. Now she just needs to open herself up to be able to become a wife.
彼女は完全に母親として、そして娘を持つことに馴染んでるね。あとは妻になる自分を受け入れるだけだな。普通くん
Ocixo
The tears in Victoria’s eyes revealed just how much she’d been longing for a simple family life. Nonna’s question was an acknowledgement of their familial bond. Victoria hadn’t had a true family ever since she lost hers at 8-years old.
ビクトリアの目に浮かんだ涙、あれはガチで家族愛に飢えてた証拠やろ。ノンナの問いかけが「お前は家族や」って認めた形やったんやな。ワイも8歳で家族失くしたら同じ気持ちになるわ。草2ちゃん
Galinhooo
As good as his intentions may be, searching for Victoria like that sounds wrong because she would freak out and abandon everything at the first sight of learning someone was asking about her.
意図が良いとはいえ、ああやってビクトリアを探すのは間違ってる気がするな。彼女、誰かが自分のことを尋ねてるって知ったらパニックになって全部投げ出しちゃうだろうし。普通くん
Greg_The_Rabbit
Him calling her Victoria even after knowing she'd changed her 'face' to Maria is also absolutely a fuckup. Just one Nagl agent needs to hear that to know she escaped again and start tracking her.
あいつが彼女の「顔」をマリアに変えたって知ってるのに、それでもビクトリアって呼ぶのは完全にやらかしやろ。ナグルエージェントの一人でも聞いてたら、また逃げたってバレて追跡されるわ。2ちゃん
Frontier246
Some people might assume he chased her down to arrest/bring her in but she probably knows Jeffrey well enough to trust he wouldn't come after her for that.
彼を追ってきたのは逮捕のためだと思う人もいるかもしれないけど、彼女はジェフリーのことをよく知ってるから、そんな理由で追ってくるとは思ってないだろうね。普通くん
PinkGlitterLady4
No, not when it comes to him.
いや〜、彼に関してはそれはないわ!笑ギャル
Galinhooo
That is assuming she would know it is him. If the person doesn't describe who was asking, she would move to the other side of the world
せやけど、それが本人って気づく前提やろ。誰が聞いてきたか説明せんかったら、ワイなら地球の裏側まで逃げるわwww2ちゃん
goosis12
I would hazard to guess that she would be more worried about him being followed by the organization without realizing it leading them straight to her.
彼女が一番心配してるのは、彼が組織に尾行されてるのに気づかずに、そのまま自分のところに連れてきちゃうことなんじゃないかな。普通くん
reaperow
I dont really think so, it seemed like she did leave a clue behind for him
ワイはそう思わんけどな、彼女はちゃんとヒント残してたやろ2ちゃん
Galinhooo
Was that a clue or she had the wig hidden there and left it by mistake? On one side she was really cautious to leave a clue behind, on the other she was moved by him enough it could happen.
あれは手がかりだったのか、それともカツラを隠してたのをうっかり置き忘れたのか?一方では彼女がわざと手がかりを残すほど慎重だったし、もう一方では彼に心動かされてそういうこともあり得たって感じだな。普通くん
reaperow
Guess its just one of those things that can go both ways depending on u
まあ人によるってやつやな。どっちにも転ぶわな。2ちゃん
mianghuei
Mom of the year!
今年のママ賞はこの人でしょ!!まじで神すぎるんだけど!ギャル
reaperow
Definitely!! I'd say she's even tied with the mom from the Stepsisters anime airing currently rn, We got some good anime mothers this year !
確かに!!今放送中のシンデレラ系アニメの母親と並ぶレベルだと思う。今年はいいアニメの母親キャラが多いね!普通くん
Sii_Kei
Teru and Vicky would get along really well!
テルとヴィッキー絶対仲良くなるじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
Frontier246
Everything Vicky has done, every face she has had to put on, every effort she made to make a new life for herself, was worth it for THIS moment.
ヴィッキーがしてきたこと全て、見せなきゃいけなかった表情全て、新しい人生を築くために費やした努力全てが、この瞬間のためにあったんだね。普通くん
Latter-Air2742
原文
Nonna had a real chance at a safe, permanent home in Ashberry. Jeffrey was fully prepared to step up as a protective, loving father figure, offering them social status, security, and a real family dynamic.By pulling Nonna away from that stability just to force her into another life of lies and fake identities, Victoria's actions look incredibly short-sighted:Teaching a Bad Lesson: Victoria is essentially showing Nonna that whenever things get complicated or dangerous, the only solution is to run away and sever your bonds, rather than trusting the people who love you.Prioritizing Fear Over Comfort: Instead of letting Jeffrey help carry the burden of her past, Victoria lets her own paranoia dictate Nonna's upbringing, stripping the little girl of a stable household.The story tries to argue that Victoria is doing this to keep Nonna safe from the assassins hunting them. However, when the Captain of the Knights is literally offering his protection, isolating themselves on the road actually makes them more vulnerable, not less.
ノンナにはアシュベリーで安全で永続的な家を手に入れる本当のチャンスがあったんやで。ジェフリーは守護者としての父親役を引き受ける準備万端で、社会的地位も安全も本物の家族関係も提供するつもりやった。それをビクトリアが引き離して、また嘘と偽りのアイデンティティの生活に強制したんやから、その行動はガチで短絡的やわ。 悪い教訓を教えてる:ビクトリアはノンナに「事態が複雑になったら逃げて絆を断つのが正解」って教えてるようなもんや。愛する人を信頼する代わりにな。 恐怖を優先:ジェフリーに過去の重荷を背負わせる代わりに、自分のパラノイアでノンナの育成を支配して、安定した家庭を奪ってる。 ストーリーは暗殺者から守るためって言い訳してるけど、騎士団長が文字通り保護を申し出てる状況で、路上に孤立する方がむしろ脆弱になるやろ。逆効果やん。2ちゃん
hvshh
I respect your opinion, but I think her paranoia is justified, due to the capabilities of her pursuers, The untrustworthiness (from her perspective) of everyone besides Jeffrey, and for Nonna, being with Victoria is stability enough. Also, if Jeffrey wants to help carry her burden, he can show he's capable of that by finding her. None of this 'three days late' business!
君の意見は尊重するけど、彼女の疑心暗鬼は妥当だと思うよ。追手の能力を考えればね。ジェフリー以外の全員が(彼女の視点から見れば)信用できないし、ノンナにとってはビクトリアと一緒にいることが十分な安定なんだ。それに、ジェフリーが彼女の重荷を背負いたいなら、彼女を見つけ出すことでその能力を示せばいい。『3日遅れ』なんてのはダメだよ!普通くん
Greg_The_Rabbit
原文
Also Victoria's paranoia was ABSOLUTELY VALID within days of fleeing an entire team of hitman came to kill her! If she had moved in with Jeffrey all that would have happened is giving them another target and she would have also consequently had to assume a much more public persona making the "death" of victoria sellars a non-option and also would have put a major target on Nonna's back. The fact is the kingdom wasn't trustworthy from her perspective, even if Jeffrey as an individual is. He's just way to intermixed with the kingdom politics and she couldn't trust him enough to ask him to give up all of that.
ビクトリアの疑心暗鬼はガチで正しかったやろwww 逃げて数日で殺し屋のチームが来たんやぞ ジェフリーと同居してたらターゲット増えるだけやし、公の場に出る機会も増えて「ビクトリア・セラーズの死」が成立しなくなる ノンナにも危険が及ぶわな 王国は彼女から見たら信用できんわな、ジェフリー個人はともかく 彼は政治にどっぷり浸かってるし、そこから離れるよう頼むのも無理な話や2ちゃん
wenasi
原文
However, when the Captain of the Knights is literally offering his protection, isolating themselves on the road actually makes them more vulnerable, not less. We can say that it'd be safer because we have meta knowledge from the story. We know the Captain to be trustworthy, and we know that his brother's intelligence is good. Victoria wants to believe that the Captain is trustworthy, but so far she's been betrayed by the seemingly only person she had deemed trustworthy in the past, she doesn't know the extend of the countries intelligence competency and she doesn't know if the country would protect or prosecute her if they knew her past. Even if she fully trusts the Captain and the other people around her, that wouldn't save her if she was pursued by both foreign and domestic agents. I'd expect Victoria learning to take the risk of trusting other people to be at the heart of the story as it progresses
でも、騎士団長が文字通り保護を申し出てる時点で、道中で孤立するのはむしろ危険を増すだけだと思うんだよね。俺らは物語のメタ知識があるから安全だって言えるけどさ。団長が信頼できるって分かってるし、彼の兄貴の情報網も優秀だって知ってるし。ビクトリアは団長を信じたいと思ってるけど、今まで唯一信頼してたと思える人に裏切られた経験があるから、国の情報能力の範囲も分かってないし、自分の過去が知られたら保護されるのか訴追されるのかも不明だしな。たとえ団長と周りの人を完全に信頼しても、国内外のスパイに追われたら助からないだろうし。物語が進むにつれて、ビクトリアが他人を信じるリスクを取ることを学ぶのが核心になるんじゃないかな普通くん
BosuW
原文
she doesn't know if the country would protect or prosecute her if they knew her past. This is a very important point I feel. It's already a major miracle that, from what we as the audience know, they really are willing to host her and protect her even knowing of her past. But Victoria doesn't know that, and cannot just put faith in it. Normally you'd simply interrogate and kill anyone you suspect of being a spy. Paranoia is not just Victoria's, it's the nature of the whole culture around the craft.
ワイの考えやけど、彼女が過去を知られたら国が守ってくれるか、逆に裁かれるか分からへんってのが重要なポイントやな。視聴者から見たら、彼女を受け入れて守ってくれるって奇跡みたいなもんやけど、ビクトリア本人はそれを知らんし、信じるわけにもいかんやろ。普通ならスパイ疑いの奴は拷問して殺すのが当たり前やしな。パラノイアはビクトリアだけの話やなくて、そういう文化全体の性質なんやで。2ちゃん
melcarba
Your reading of Victoria makes sense. For all the competence she has demonstrated, at her core, she doesn't trust other people. I'd like the show to explore this being her meaningful character flaw, but then again we're only 1 episode left.
ビクトリアの解釈は納得いくね。あれだけ有能なのに、根っこでは他人を信じてないんだろうな。この作品でそれが彼女の重要な欠点として掘り下げられるといいんだけど、残り1話じゃ難しいかもな。普通くん
mianghuei
Man, 5 quotes from this episodes: 1) "More than a few men beat their wives in this world" 2) "I wonder if my missing mom felt the same..." 3) "And you worked so hard to come into this world" 4) "We call that slavery in Ashbury" 5) "You do realize all you had to say was that you didn't know, right?"
このエピソードの5つのセリフが深いな。1)「この世界では妻を殴る男は少なくない」2)「いなくなった母も同じ気持ちだったのかな…」3)「お前はこの世界に生まれるために必死で頑張ったんだろう」4)「アッシュベリーではそれを奴隷制と呼ぶんだ」5)「知らないって言えばよかっただけだって分かってるだろ?」——それぞれがキャラの背景や世界観の矛盾を浮き彫りにする伏線だと思われる。特に4と5は、社会構造と個人の選択の緊張関係を描いてて考察が捗る。考察くん
gekkenhuisje
The dialogue in this series has been really great. It's prevented the wider cast from feeling like cardboard—they talk like real people.
このシリーズの会話劇は本当に良かったと思う。脇役たちがただの紙切れみたいに感じないのは、実際の人間みたいに話すからだね。普通くん
ObvsThrowaway5120
It’s nice to see “Maria”and “Lyle” are doing well. So cute how Nonna called Vicky “mom.” I hope Jeffrey finds them. Guy was working hard to find them to tell Vicky she’s safe. He just wants to be part of their little family unit. It’s kind of sweet.
「マリア」と「ライル」が元気そうで何よりだな。ノンナがヴィッキーのことを「ママ」と呼ぶのが可愛すぎる。ジェフリーが彼らを見つけられるといいんだけど。ガイはヴィッキーに安全を伝えるために必死に探してたんだよな。彼はただ、あの小さな家族の一員になりたいだけなんだ。それを考えると、結構グッとくるものがある。考察くん
Frontier246
It's a shame they had to end Victoria of Many Faces so early, but Maria of Many Faces feels like it has some potential.
手札が多めのビクトリアが早く終わっちゃって残念だけど、多面のマリアは結構ポテンシャルありそうだね。普通くん
Latter-Air2742
this anime is over. Victoria's is an awful person.
このアニメ終わったわ。ビクトリアはガチでクズやわ。2ちゃん
NanDemoKnaives
原文
I'm glad Victoria left a clue for Jeffrey, it's just too bad he took too long to find it. It's nice that everyone's preparing things for Victoria's return. Hopefully Jeffrey will be able to bring her and Nonna back.  Lancome actually being shady was a surprise, I thought this whole time there was some misunderstanding caused by his fiancée, and he really saw her as his sister because he didn't want to believe she was dead. At least now Victoria won't have to worry about them anymore, good riddance.  It's really sweet that Nonna asked if she could call Victoria as her mother. Now we just have to wait for the father to make his entrance.
ビクトリアがジェフリーに手がかりを残してくれて良かったけど、見つけるのに時間かかりすぎたのが残念だな。みんながビクトリアの帰りに備えて準備してるのはいいね。ジェフリーが彼女とノンナを連れ戻せるといいんだけど。ランコムが実は怪しいってのは驚きだったよ。ずっと婚約者による誤解だと思ってたし、彼が本当に彼女を妹として見てたのは、死んだことを信じたくないからだったんだね。少なくともビクトリアはもう彼らを心配しなくて済むし、いい厄介払いだよ。ノンナがビクトリアを母と呼んでいいか聞いたのは本当に感動的だった。あとは父親の登場を待つだけだね。普通くん
Ocixo
I hadn’t considered that angle yet! Victoria might’ve left this single black hair in the hopes that Jeffrey would be able to track her down. It’s uncharacteristic for her to be sloppy like this.
やばくね!?その見方なかったわ!!ヴィクトリアがわざと黒い髪の毛一本残したってこと?ジェフリーに見つけてほしかったってことじゃん!!彼女がこんな雑なミスするキャラじゃないもんね、絶対意図的だって!!ギャル
Greg_The_Rabbit
原文
Unfortunately I don't think it was an intentional clue. I think it was just a very very tiny slip up that paid off for Jeffrey. I consider it also a sign of great writing as it shows Victoria is a very talented spy but she's also human and in those final days as she delayed leaving more and more she was starting to slip-up. I mean, they did flee in the middle of the night, it's not crazy to fail to miss some things, really a single strand of black hair from the wig is about the most minor thing she could miss lol
残念ながら、意図的な手掛かりではなかったと思うんだよな。ただのごくごく小さなミスがジェフリーにとって報われた形だと思う。これは優れた脚本の証拠でもあって、ヴィクトリアが非常に有能なスパイでありながらも人間であること、そして出国を先延ばしにするうちに少しずつ綻びが出始めたことを示している。実際、彼らは真夜中に逃げたわけだし、何かを見落とすのも無理はない。ウィッグの黒い髪が一本残る程度のミスは、彼女が見落とし得る最小限のものだろうな(笑)考察くん
hvshh
I like how they also showed how her having Nonna pose as a boy almost worked. If the clerk had just left it at "Well, nothing on our record" instead of volunteering information about a black-haired mother and son , he would have lost the trail.
ワイ的には、ノンナを男装させた作戦がほぼ成功しかけた描写が良かったわ。店員が「記録には何もないですけどね」って言うだけで終わってたら、黒髪の母子の情報を自ら話すこともなかったから、追跡は失敗してたやろな。2ちゃん
BosuW
It's something that I've liked since early on about this particular spy story. The way her plans leak are very believable and take into account the sheer unpredictability of real life, without undermining her status as an elite operative.
このスパイ物語で最初から好きだった点だな。彼女の計画が漏れる様子がすごく現実的で、実際の生活の予測不能さをちゃんと考慮してる。それでいてエリート工作員としての立場が損なわれてないのがいいんだよね。普通くん
mekerpan
Definitely having a single term of address for Victoria will make things MUCH easier for Nonna going forward.
ビクトリアの呼び方ひとつ決まっただけで、ノンナ的にはめっちゃ楽になるじゃん!やばくない?ギャル
reaperow
Either he brings her back or he decides to live with them
彼女を連れ戻すか、それとも彼らと一緒に暮らすか、どっちかにしろや2ちゃん
reaperow
Wait there's only one more??? Ah man that sucks, I really like this show so i thought we'd be getting the standard 12
え、あと1話しかないの?それは残念だな。このアニメすごく好きだから、普通に12話あると思ってたよ。普通くん
Twilight_2408
They're gonna end the season with just the 1st vol completely adapted. Guess they want a good point to leave the series at, if there's ever a new season, it will pick it up from volume 2
やばくね!?今期は1巻まるごとだけやるってことじゃん!まじで区切りよく終わらせたいんだろうね〜もし続編きたら2巻から始まるってことか!楽しみすぎ!ギャル
Frontier246
I'm going to need more Vicky/Nonna/Jeffrey in my life...
ヴィッキーとノンナとジェフリーをもっと見たいな…普通くん
ZeroZion
Only one left?!
残り1人だけなの!?無理すぎるッ!感情くん