手札が多めのビクトリア

素敵な思い出ができたのは

2026.8.18 r/anime

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素敵な思い出ができたのは
ハンソン男爵家からの養女の申し出を受け、お試しで1週間だけ泊まりにいったノンナ。ひとりになったビクトリアは落ち込むが、このまま貴族の娘になる方が幸せなのだと思うと、それも辛かった。
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djthomp
原文
I love how nobody is stupid. Edward? Still tracking Vicky even though the royals told Jeffery that they'd back off and aware of everything she has been up to including the prison break. Jeffery? Fully aware that Vicky's story adds up to her being an AWOL operative but is unsure what to do about it on account of his feelings. Nonna? Observant enough of people's mannerisms to go along with the adoption tryout to smooth things over while also getting out of dodge the moment the six nights were up and things were getting more weird. And of course Vicky for figuring out what was up with Miles and realizing time was up. Poor Jeffery though, Vicky correctly knew that it was time to run but that doesn't help a broken heart.
みんなバカじゃないのがいいよね。エドワードは王室がジェフリーに手を引くって言った後もビッキーを追跡し続けて、脱獄事件まで全部把握してる。ジェフリーはビッキーの話が軍の無断離脱者って筋書きと一致してるのを分かってるけど、自分の気持ちのせいでどう動くか決められない。ノンナは人の挙動をよく観察してて、養子縁組のトライアルに乗って場を収めつつ、六泊が終わって事態が変になり始めたらさっさと逃げた。そしてビッキーはマイルズの正体を見抜いて、潮時だと気づいた。ジェフリーは気の毒だけどね。ビッキーが逃げ時を正しく見抜いたって、傷ついた心は癒えないからさ。普通くん
ifucatchmydrift
I've appreciated the slow reveal that not everyone is stupid as well. Of course it was fully revealed here, but the hints prior - teasing as to whether it was the organization closing in, or the prince - were done well. Poor Jeffrey...
ワイは「全員がバカじゃない」ってのが徐々に明かされていくのが好きやったで。もちろん今回はフルで明かされたけど、前の伏線——組織が迫ってるのか王子なのか曖昧に匂わせてたのは上手かったわ。ジェフリー不憫すぎやろ…2ちゃん
omarous_III
Poor Jeffrey... I have a theory that back in episode 5, she told Jeffrey how to find her when she talked about Cadiz. That was so out of context for the scene at the time, I thought she must be giving him a message. Maybe if he thinks about it, it will know how to track her down. This show is so well written.
かわいそうにジェフリー……第5話でカディスについて話した時、彼女がジェフリーに自分の見つけ方を伝えたんだろうな。あの場面では脈絡がなさすぎて、何かメッセージを伝えてるんじゃないかと思ったよ。考えれば、彼女を追跡する方法がわかるかもしれないな。この作品はよくできてる。ドライおじ
SuperWolf
I have a theory that back in episode 5, she told Jeffrey how to find her when she talked about Cadiz. That was so out of context for the scene at the time, I thought she must be giving him a message. I had the same thought.
エピソード5で彼女がカディスについて話した時、ジェフリーに自分の見つけ方を伝えてたんじゃないかって理論があるんだ。あの場面では文脈から外れてたから、彼にメッセージを送ってたんだと思ったよ。俺も同じ考えだったな。普通くん
flamethrower2
That noble family is getting punished; the prince was informed about their conduct. But the story isn't about them, so we won't ever see it.
あの貴族どもは罰せられ申した。王子にはその所業が知らされておったのでござる。されど、この物語は彼らが主役ではござらん故、その顛末を拝む機会は永遠に訪れまい。実に惜しき話にござるな。武士
killertortilla
First show I've seen in a LONG time where nobody is braindead.
久しぶりに見たわ、誰も頭悪くないアニメ。普通くん
athrun_1
They could actually end the series here and continue in S2. This has a similar vibe with 86 S1.
ここで一旦シーズン1を終わらせて、S2に続くって形もあり得るよな。『86』のS1と似た雰囲気あるわ。エモすぎるッ!感情くん
Mindless-Care9301
Was surprise that Edward was actually investigating Vicky in the shadow, he's even better than the royal's investigator hahaha Poor Jefferey, and luckily Nonna able to escape from Hansons, that family is lowkey crazy and creepy. Also love how everyone is being considerate and acceptance, like they didn't burst out to ask dumb questions or blame Jefferey for not knowing where Vicky goes
エドワードが影でヴィッキーを追跡していたとは……驚愕の事実だ。王宮の調査官すら凌ぐ手腕、恐れ入る。哀れなジェフリーよ……そしてノンナがハンソン家から逃げ延びたのは僥倖。あの一族は底知れぬ狂気を秘めておる。何より皆が余計な詮索をせず、ジェフリーを責めもせず、ただ受け入れる姿——それこそが真の叡智というものだ。中二病
Voeri
I really like animes that don't see the watcher stupid
視聴者をバカ扱いしないアニメってガチで好きやわ2ちゃん
PeaceAlien
Really enjoying this show, everyone is so smart. Yet the characters are still able to outsmart others, and it's not because they're stupid. I hope Nonna is still with Vicky; we didn't see where Nonna is.
このアニメすごく楽しんでるよ、みんな頭いいし。でもキャラ同士が互いに上手く出し抜き合ってるんだよね、相手がバカだからじゃなくて。ノンナがまだヴィッキーと一緒にいてほしいな、ノンナの所在が描かれてなかったからさ。普通くん
Frontier246
原文
We're so used to anime characters being dense and taking "I'm a former tomboy" at face value but Jeffrey actually figured everything out...and so did his brother. I'm not surprised that Vicky finally left when she realized the heat was onto her, even if it meant leaving the Captain behind, but did she take Nonna with her when she still has that fever? How aware is Nonna of them basically escaping? She'd pretty much go along with everything Vicky told her, but she'd want to know why at least.
アニメのキャラって「元おてんば娘」って言われたらそのまま鵜呑みにするのが定番だけど、ジェフリーは全部見抜いてたんだな…兄貴も気づいてたし。ヴィッキーが追及の熱を感じて船長を置いて去る決断をしたのは納得だけど、熱がまだあるノンナを連れて行ったのか?ノンナは自分たちが脱走してるってどの程度把握してるんだろう。ヴィッキーの言うことなら何でも従うだろうけど、少なくとも理由は知りたがるはずだ。考察くん
fireburn97ffgf
The only reason why I think she took her is I feel like someone would of checked on her, at least Jeffrey
彼女を連れて行った理由はただ一つだと思うんだ。誰かが彼女の様子を見てたはずだし、少なくともジェフリーは見てたはずだって感じるんだよ。それなのに彼女が消えたってことは、やっぱり何かあるんだよ…しんどすぎる。感情くん
Intelligent_Form5743
No note left behind for her neither so she gotta be with her everyone she knew around there was connected someway somehow
彼女にも置き手紙なかったんだよね…だから周りのみんなと一緒にいるしかないじゃん?そこにいた全員が何かしら繋がってたんだよ、まじやばくない?笑ギャル
athrun_1
I think it is safe to assume that she took off with her. It is kinda complete 180 if in the early part of the ep, she is dead worried and then in the ending she will just leave noona.
彼女が一緒に連れ去ったと考えるのが妥当だと思う。エピソード序盤であんなに心配してたのに、最後にヌナを置いていくのは完全に180度逆のことだからな。普通くん
LaoWombat-mecha
More than any other show this season, I find myself unable to look away during these episodes. There is almost no filler material.
今期の他作品と比べてガチで目が離せないンゴwww ほぼ無駄なシーンないやん2ちゃん
BosuW
If anything I feel like Vicky was the dumbest character in the cast, she really made a lot of mistakes lol. But it makes sense because the whole point of her running away was to never have to do spy/assassin shit again, so it tracks that her guard was down.
むしろヴィッキーがキャストの中で一番ドジだと思ったよ、ほんとにミス多かったし笑。でもそれも納得だな、彼女が逃げた理由がスパイや暗殺の仕事を二度とやらないためだったから、警戒心が緩んでたのも自然だしね。普通くん
mywif4aiur
It's cool that we get to see that her guard is down and even she knows it's happening because of Nonna and Jeff. Then Vicky decides it's too low, and it's time to reset.
ノンナとジェフのおかげで、彼女の警戒が解けてるのが見えるのはいいな。本人もそれを自覚してるし。で、ヴィクトリアが「これは低すぎる」って思ってリセットするタイミングってわけだ。ドライおじ
Furin
There were two passports in the hidden compartment of her drawer, she 100% took Nonna with her.
引き出しの隠し場所にパスポート2冊あったンゴ、Nonna連れて行ったの確定やろwww2ちゃん
memelordbtw3000
Nonna is with Vicky she's been ride on die this entire time and she's mentioned planning her escapes with Nonna in mind though i do wonder if Nonna will get worse on the road and that's the reason for Vicky to return
ノンナはヴィッキーと共にいる。彼女はずっとヴィッキーに忠誠を誓ってきたし、ヴィッキーもノンナとの脱出計画を念頭に置いてきたのが伺える。ただ、道中でノンナの状態が悪化し、それがヴィッキーが戻る理由になるんじゃないかという考察ができるな。考察くん
Mindless-Care9301
To be honest i didn't think jefferey to find out this soon hahaha, thought he's so deep in love and wait till edward told him about everything
正直ジェフリーがこんな早く気づくとは思ってなかったンゴwww 愛に溺れててエドワードから全部聞くまで気づかんと思てたわ2ちゃん
Primary-Paint-1716
I really like the writing of this show. It shows the important details and trusts the viewer to fill in the gaps. The characters also act accordingly to the motivation of their characterization. It's an amazing show that I wish wasn't gonna end in 2 fucking episodes.
この作品の脚本が本当に好きだな。重要なディテールを見せつつ、視聴者に想像の余地を残してくれるのがいい。キャラクターもそれぞれの動機に沿ってちゃんと動いてるし。あと2話で終わっちゃうのがマジで惜しい傑作だよ。普通くん
Lodju
It's an amazing show that I wish wasn't gonna end in 2 fucking episodes. Good thing i learned that this is only 9 episode now and not in 2 weeks.
まじで神アニメなのに残り2話で終わるとかマジかよwww でも2週間後じゃなくて全9話って知って安心したわwwwwおじ
Jorvikstories
Lucky you, I know it is going to be 9 episodes, but I didn't check the episode number and somehow forced myself to think that this was the last episode. I would probably throw my Mac out of the window if it was so.
9話構成だと知ってるけど、エピソード番号を確認せずに最終回だと思い込んでたんだよ。もし本当に最終回だったら、Macを窓から投げ捨ててたかもしれない。運が良かったな。考察くん
ImmediateFondant4615
Defenestrate your Mac? In this economy?
このご時世にMacを窓から投げ捨てるって?正気かよ?普通くん
Jorvikstories
Upvote for the word defenestrate, pouty face for not understand my joke.
「defenestrate」って単語にupvote!でも自分のジョーク通じなくて口とがらせてるのウケるんだけど笑 まじでわろた!ギャル
BBryant3rd
What the heck? 9 episodes?
え、マジで?9話しかないの?普通くん
Frontier246
Also the characters relationships and dynamics can be surprisingly complex, like Victoria and Miles' relationship or Edwards' feelings towards Victoria as an agent of the kingdom/Jeffrey's brother.
ワイ的にはキャラ同士の関係性が意外と複雑で草 ビクトリアとマイルズの関係とか、エドワードが王国のエージェントとしてジェフリーの兄に対する感情とか、ガチで深いンゴwww2ちゃん
mekerpan
I've read some earlier LNs by the same author -- and they had intriguing aspects, the story-telling was sometimes a bit awkward. The story-telling here has, so far, been near flawless.
同じ作者の初期のライトノベルを読んだことがあるけど、面白い要素はありつつも語り口が少しぎこちなかったんだよね。でも今回のは今のところほぼ完璧だと思う。普通くん
TheBusStop12
So it's someone who has always had great ideas, and over time learned how to properly put these ideas into words and connect them. That's nice
つまり昔からアイデアは持ってたけど、時間かけてそれを言葉にする能力と繋げ方を学んだってわけか。ええやんけ2ちゃん
mekerpan
Seems that way
そうみたいだなwwwwおじ
monsieurvampy
It's an amazing show that I wish wasn't gonna end in 2 fucking episodes. WHAT THE HECK!?? This better be because of a season 2 and this is where the arc nicely ends.
この作品、実に素晴らしいでござるな。されど、あと2話で終わるとは何事か!? これは絶対に二期を匂わせる終わり方であってくれ申せ。ここで物語の区切りを美しく結ぶのでござれば、拙者も納得致すが…。武士
DeepBlackLotusShadow
Plsss season 2 😭😭😭😭😭😭 I give my soul in exchange
シーズン2お願いします😭😭😭😭😭😭 魂を捧げるからさ普通くん
baseballlover723
原文
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申し訳ありませんが、あなたのコメントは削除されました。この内容はスレッド上部の「原作情報コーナー」に投稿すべきものです。現在放送中のアニメの議論スレッドでは、原作、スピンオフ、作者コメント、未アニメ化コンテンツに関する議論はそこに投稿する必要があります。原作との比較はどんなに些細なものでも該当します。あなたのコメントはネタバレではなく、原作情報コーナー外での原作議論として削除されました。ご質問はこのメッセージへの返信、モデレーションメール、またはメタスレッドへのコメントでお願いします。ルールをご存じない場合はこちらをご覧ください。考察くん
Cyouni
I'm absolutely picking up the LNs after this. From my cursory research, it looks like this covers book 1, so there's lots ahead.
このアニメ見終わったら絶対ラノベ買うわ!!ざっと調べた感じだと1巻分らしいから、まだまだ先がたくさんあるってことだよな…しんどいけど楽しみすぎるッ!感情くん
Intelligent_Form5743
Yea it’s for those with common sense 💯 and logic the characters are smart themselves which makes it amazing to watch
せやな、常識と論理がある人向けやわ。キャラ自体も賢いから見ててガチで面白いンゴwww2ちゃん
memelordbtw3000
THERES ONLY 2 MORE EPISODES WHAT THIS IS PEAK AND THEY ONLY GAVE IT NINE EPISODES. I am genuinely distraught wtf
まじでやばくない!?あと2話しかないんだけど!?これ神アニメなのに9話しかないのおかしくね!?マジでショックなんだけど何これ!!泣ギャル
BosuW
I just love that none of it drags or is superfluous. It's a low-key story but it's never boring or uninteresting, and that's because the writing is actually very calculated so that everything is meaningful. I dunno how good the LNs are, but at least the series composition and screenplay did a great job.
無駄なシーンが一切なくて、それが本当に好きだな。地味な話なのに退屈しないし面白いんだよね。それは脚本がしっかり計算されてて、全部に意味があるからだと思う。原作小説がどのくらい良いかは分からないけど、少なくともシリーズ構成と脚本はすごく上手くできてたよ。普通くん
VritraReiRei
Shit, I forgot it's only 9 episodes! No wonder the Captain is already piecing stuff together already. I thought he was smart but no, they are preparing for the finale!
くそっ、9話だけだって忘れてた!だから船長がもう色々繋げてるんだな。頭いいと思ってたけど違う、最終回に向けて準備してるんだ!感情くん
ElectricStarfuzz
Only 9 episodes? Nooooo 🥺😭😔 I want the whole story! I’m not usually one for reading source material, but for this one I may just have to do that. It’s become increasingly dear to my heart and I’m fully invested in the lives of Victoria/Vicky, Nonna, Jefferey, and all the others.
9話だけとか草も生えへんわ…🥺😭😔 ワイ全話見たいンゴ!普段は原作読まへんけど、これは読むしかないわ。ヴィクトリア/ヴィッキー、ノンナ、ジェフリーら全員にガチでハマってるンゴ…2ちゃん
depresizz
fuckin hell i actually felt what the people around them felt. all of that connection vicky's building only to just throw it away like that. and 9 episodes? are you serious 😭
くそっ、マジで周りの人たちの気持ちが痛いほどわかったわ。ヴィッキーが築いてきた絆を、あんな簡単に投げ捨てるなんて……。しかも9話で? マジかよ😭感情くん
KumaKumaGambler
I want to buy Jeffrey a beer, sit down, and support him silently. Everyone close to Vicky was shocked and saddened by her sudden departure. Yet Jeffrey has to keep a strong face when delivering the letters to everyone.
ジェフリーにビールを奢って、隣に座って静かに支えてあげたいな。ヴィッキーの急な旅立ちに、近しい人たちはみんな驚きと悲しみに包まれてた。それなのにジェフリーは、みんなに手紙を届けるときも強がった顔を保たなきゃいけないんだよね。普通くん
Frontier246
They just had to have her leave so soon after his mom asked to meet her just to add injury to insult... Honestly felt like he needed to take up the duty of hand delivering the letters to work through his own grief at losing her by commiserating/dealing with others' losses before he finally dealt with the pain of reading HIS letter.
もう母親が会いたいって言うた直後に別れさせるんか... 傷口に塩塗りすぎやろwww ワイ的には、彼が自分の手紙を読む痛みに耐える前に、他の人の手紙を届けて悲しみを共有すべきやったと思うンゴねぇ...2ちゃん
Cyouni
Man, that's just brutal. It's nice to see a show with everyone realistically competent enough to pick up on all the clues Victoria left.
いやー、ほんと容赦ないね。ヴィクトリアが残した手がかりをみんなが現実的に気づけるだけの能力を持ってる作品ってのは新鮮でいいわ。普通くん
Organic_Machine_2324
Oh wow they are actually competent she might be in troub…. and she has escaped.
おお、マジで有能やん…彼女ピンチやんけ…って思たらもう脱出してて草www2ちゃん
goosis12
It was really great to see everybody putting clues together and thinking up plans on what steps to take, only for Victoria to up and run and throw everything into chaos. I also loved how Nonna learned a lot more from Victoria without her realizing and how incredible blunt she is in trying to get Victoria and the captain together.
みんなが手掛かりを繋ぎ合わせて次の手を考えてたのに、ヴィクトリアが突然走り出して全部ぶち壊しにする流れが本当に面白かった。ノンナがヴィクトリアに気づかれずに色々学んでるのも良かったし、ヴィクトリアと船長をくっつけようとするあのストレートさも最高だったな。普通くん
flamethrower2
And she knows they know, hence she left.
彼女も自分たちが知ってるって気づいてるから、去ったんやろな。賢いわ。2ちゃん
1EnTaroAdun1
His Brother Attacking Her His brother didn't attack her, that was one of the princes. Them Locking up an innocent Man He wasn't innocent. He was perhaps justified, but he also did attempt to murder someone
彼の兄弟が彼女を襲った?いや、あれは王子の一人だ。無実の男を閉じ込めた?彼は無実ではなかったな。正当化される余地はあったかもしれないが、実際に殺人未遂を犯している。この辺りの倫理観の描き方が実に興味深い。キャラクターの背景を踏まえると、制作者は意図的にグレーゾーンを描いていると考察できる。考察くん
Radi-kale
Carl certainly wasn´t innocent though. Also, it was Victoria's own choice to accept Jeffrey's invitation to the ball
カールも別に無罪やなかったけどな。つーか、舞踏会にジェフリーの誘いを受けたのはビクトリア自身の選択やろ。2ちゃん
startingfromlevel0
She left too many clues and didn't prepare a proper backstory for them. But yeah, this was indeed brutal. I thought they would drag this on or she takes their help to take a stand(from the current place) against the organization (second one is more of a wishful thinking from my part as I don't want chole and jeff to break up Or just didn't want her to leave the people she​ got close to).
彼女は手がかりを残しすぎて、ちゃんとしたバックストーリーを用意してなかったね。でも確かに、これは残酷だった。もっと引き延ばすか、今の場所から組織に対抗するために彼らの助けを借りると思ってたよ(後者は希望的観測だけど、チョルとジェフが別れてほしくなかったし、彼女が親しくなった人たちの元を離れてほしくなかったからね)。普通くん
BosuW
Anime trained me to expect they'd really buy the "I was a tomboy" bs. I was surprised lol
草、アニメの影響で「元ボーイッシュ」って設定ガチで信じてもうたわ。まさかの展開でワイびっくりやでwww2ちゃん
Organic_Machine_2324
They really planted a spy next door and expected her not to feel threatened lol. It’s sad she has fled but it’s realistic and i appreciate it in that sense. I obviously assume she took Nonna with her.
隣にスパイ置いといて脅威に感じないわけないだろ笑 逃げたのは悲しいけど、現実的でそこは評価するわ 当然ノンナも連れてったんだよな?感情くん
reaperow
She's probably going to stay in a new place for now and assume a new identity, Does fit the "of many faces" thing in the title
まじで新しい場所で新しい顔で生活するんだろうね!タイトルの「多面性」っぽくてやばくない!?ギャル
Jorvikstories
原文
Shouldn't the name then be "Chloe of many faces"? You know, since she probably can't go around using Victoria Sellars anymore. Though now as I think of it, perhaps it could work like she talks about herself as "Victoria," because she has fond memories of being called by that name. But I really like the premise of her running away taking new identities each season. Of course with a certain eligible bachelor looking for her.
「多面のクロエ」って名前でも良かったんじゃないか?彼女がもうヴィクトリア・セラーズとして動けないって考えると、な。ただ、自分を「ヴィクトリア」と呼ぶのは、その名前で呼ばれた記憶に愛着があるからかもしれないという考察もできる。個人的には、彼女が毎シーズン新しい身分に逃げる設定は好きだな。もちろん、ある独身貴族が彼女を探してるっていう展開込みでな。考察くん
Radi-kale
I think Chloë is a code name as well
クロエもコードネームだと思うよ普通くん
ernest314
I think "many faces" is an idiom (or idiom-adjacent), e.g. "to put on a sad face" obviously the spy thing too, but this makes more sense to me
「many faces」って慣用句(に近い表現)だと思うんだよね。「悲しい顔をする」みたいな感じで、もちろんスパイ的な意味もあるけど、こっちの方がしっくりくるわ。感情くん
PinkGlitterLady4
Spies are usually given new names as well
スパイって普通、新しい名前も与えられるんだよね普通くん
Shantotto11
On the next episode of Cassandra of Many Faces …
次回の『多面のカサンドラ』…ガチで何が起きるか読めなさすぎて草www2ちゃん
guntanksinspace
Surely she's got that black wig finished up by now. Just in time.
もう黒いウィッグは完成してるはずだよね。ちょうど間に合った感じだな。普通くん
ShzMeteor
Yeah, I think Victoria delaying her escape (rather than abandoning her characteristic caution in order to stay) is much more effective at showing how the former master spy appreciated her new environment.
確かに、ビクトリアが脱出を遅らせたのは、彼女の特徴的な慎重さを捨てて留まったわけではなく、むしろ元スパイマスターとしての彼女が新しい環境をどう評価していたかを示す点で、より効果的だという考察ができるな。考察くん
killertortilla
I was kind of expecting her to knock on the captain's door with a different hair colour and glasses.
てかさ、髪色変えてメガネかけて船長のドア叩くのかと思ったんだけど!笑 やばくね?ギャル
Sleepy10105s
I wasn’t ready for her to cut and run like that. I honestly thought we were going to keep building up moments where she thought about if she should, until there was a confrontation or just before she would be confronted.
彼女がああも唐突に逃げ出すとは想定外だった。正直、彼女が「やるべきか」と悩むシーンを積み重ねて、対峙の直前か、対峙されそうになったところで決断する展開を予想していた。だが、その予想を裏切る形で彼女は動いた。これは脚本の意図的な選択だと思われる。むしろ、この唐突さが彼女の心理的な限界点を表現していると考察できる。考察くん
Frontier246
Honestly I think the moment she nearly lost Nonna and realized Miles was spying on her was when she knew she needed to get out of there. Even if Edward was willing to give her some leeway for Jeffrey's sake, she has no idea about that and probably thinks it's safer to cut and run...even if it meant leaving behind the most full life she's ever experienced.
正直、ノンナを失いかけてマイルズに監視されてたって気づいた時点で、彼女はもうここを離れるべきだって悟ったんだと思う。エドワードがジェフリーのためにある程度大目に見てくれるとしても、彼女にはそれがわからないし、逃げたほうが安全だと考えたんだろうね…たとえ今までで一番充実した生活を置き去りにすることになってもさ。普通くん
TheBusStop12
And Edward admitted to himself that dependent on which organisation she ran from, if they came knocking he might be forced to hand her over regardless. Victoria probably realized this as well and thus it just simply was no longer worth the risk
エドワードも自分に認めてたンゴ…彼女が逃げてきた組織次第じゃ、もし奴らが来たら問答無用で引き渡さざるを得ないかもしれへんってな。ヴィクトリアもそれに気づいとったやろし、だからもうリスク冒す価値ないって判断したんやろな2ちゃん
mekerpan
Alas she did not realize that Miles was more an observer (and a protector) than a "spy".
彼女は気づかなかったんだね、マイルズは「スパイ」っていうよりは観察者であり守護者だってことに。普通くん
BosuW
In her former craft, you have to make choices quickly. Freezing is the worst you could do.
元の仕事だと、即決が必須じゃん?フリーズするのが最悪なんだよ、まじで。ギャル
thisisdropd
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Jeffrey got everything about Vicky bang on, from her being a spy to one that's a runaway instead of on an undercover assignment. As expected of a captain. Unfortunately, she decided to burn all the connections she's had with Ashbury*. Poor bloke's got his heart broken again. We'd likely to have him somehow locate and confront her. *Did she really leave everything behind or did she bring Nonna with her. While she's nowhere to be seen when Vicky ran with the horse, it was just Jeffrey's imagery instead of the actual scene. I find it hard to believe Vicky would just leave Nonna behind after all that anguish she felt when Nonna's with the Hansons.
ジェフリーはヴィッキーについて全て的確に言い当ててたな。スパイ説から、実は潜入任務ではなく逃亡者だったという点まで。さすが船長だ。だが彼女はアッシュベリーとの繋がりを全て断ち切る選択をした。可哀想に、彼はまた心を引き裂かれたわけだ。今後、彼が何とかして彼女の居場所を突き止め、対峙する展開になるだろうな。あと気になるのは、彼女が本当に全てを置き去りにしたのか、それともノンナを連れて行ったのかという点だ。馬で逃げる際にノンナの姿は描かれなかったが、あれはジェフリーの想像上のイメージであって実際の現場ではない。ヴィッキーがハンソン家にノンナがいた時の苦悩を思うと、彼女がノンナを置き去りにするとは考えにくいんだよな。考察くん
Ocixo
There’s no way that Victoria would leave Nonna alone behind. Especially since the girl had previously been abandoned by her mother. She definitely made plans to escape with Nonna.
ヴィクトリアがノンナを置いていくわけないだろ。特にあの子は母親に捨てられた過去があるんだから。絶対にノンナと一緒に逃げる計画を立ててたはずだよ。普通くん
TheBusStop12
Victoria mentioned earlier in internal dialogue that if she were to run, she'd take Nonna with her. She had decided that she's ride or die for Nonna and they'll always be together. My guess this is in part why she agreed to train Nonna
ヴィクトリアは以前の内面の独白で、もし逃げるならノンナを連れて行くと語っていた。彼女はノンナと運命を共にし、永遠に一緒にいることを決意していたんだ。これが彼女がノンナを訓練することに同意した理由の一端だという考察ができる。考察くん
Frontier246
原文
Jeffrey got everything about Vicky bang on, from her being a spy to one that's a runaway instead of on an undercover assignment. As expected of a captain. Unfortunately, she decided to burn all the connections she's had with Ashbury*. Poor bloke's got his heart broken again. We'd likely to have him somehow locate and confront her. Even Edward figured her out but seemed like he was more open to letting her go for his brothers' sake...but Victoria ends up abandoning him anyways.
ジェフリーはヴィッキーのこと全部当ててたな。スパイってことから、潜入任務じゃなくて家出人だってとこまで。さすがキャプテンだわ。ただ、彼女がアシュベリーとの縁を全部断ち切ることにしたのは残念だな。かわいそうに、また心をえぐられたか。なんとか彼に見つけ出して対決してほしいもんだ。エドワードも彼女を見抜いてたけど、兄弟のために見逃す方に傾いてたみたいだしな…結局ヴィクトリアは彼も捨てちゃうんだけどさ。普通くん
Sleepy10105s
I didn’t expect the old man to still be active duty
おじいちゃんまだ現役だったのやばくね!?まじで予想外だったわ笑ギャル
Frontier246
Still got a weak hip though, poor guy. But I guess that's what he gets for spying on her lol.
でも腰はまだ弱いままだね、可哀想に。ただ、彼女をスパイした報いだと思うけど笑普通くん
mywif4aiur
Until "hip" showed up in the subtitles, I was sure the old man was kicked at full strength in his gonads.
「hip」って字幕に出るまで、爺ちゃんの金玉を全力で蹴られたのかと思ったわ。マジでビビったし!感情くん
athrun_1
She made sure Miles won't be able to go after her, just in case.
彼女は、マイルズが自分を追ってこれないようにちゃんと保険をかけてたんだね。普通くん
mekerpan
I wonder if he was actiually still in active status -- or was just temporarily recalled to be Victoria's watch dog?
え、まじで気になるんだけど!彼って現役のままだったのか、それともただビクトリアの番犬として一時的に呼び戻されただけなの?どっちにしろやばくない!?ギャル
Jorvikstories
I think it was that they found their eligible bachelors damn you Jeffrey elder soldiers and decided "huh, Miles has a lot of time on his hands, HEY MILES, HOW ABOUT YOU GO LIVE ON A FARM TAKING CARE OF HORSES AND SPY ON A PRETTY YOUNG WOMAN FOR FEW WEEKS?" and he was like "yeah, sure"
つまり、彼らは適齢期の独身男性を見つけて、ジェフリー・エルダー兵士たちを「おい、マイルズ、暇そうだな。農場で馬の世話しながら、美人の若い女性を数週間スパイしてこい」って感じで送り込んだんだと思う。で、マイルズは「ああ、いいぜ」って承諾したと。この流れ、任務とロマンスを同時に成立させる脚本の妙だよな。考察くん
Barangat
Ain‘t got nothing better to do anyways
やることがないし、ちょうどいいわ。感情くん
BosuW
You can't trust anyone in this biz man...
この業界マジで誰も信じられないんだけど!やばくね?笑ギャル
guntanksinspace
Man's still sharp as fuck. Though maybe not sharp enough to take kicks to the inner thigh/dangerously close to the groin, Vicky was going for killshots even in a light spar
あいつまだ切れ味抜群だな。ただ、内腿とか股間に近いところへの蹴りはさすがに防ぎきれてないかもな。ヴィッキーは軽いスパーリングでも本気で急所狙ってきてたしな。普通くん
szalhi
Moment before bwah. "Get a move on" Is what she's saying. But, she doesn't know just how fragile the status quo is. It's this exact ignorance that makes her the one person who can easily stay with Vicky.
bwahの直前の場面な。「さっさと動け」って言ってるんやな。でも彼女は現状がどれだけ脆いか知らん。その無知さこそが、ヴィッキーと簡単に一緒にいられる唯一の人物にしてるんやろな。2ちゃん
Frontier246
Nonna Sellers: Master escape artist and amateur child burglar. Honestly I feel like Nonna is going to be asking "where's Jeff?" or saying "I miss Jeff" while they're on the run and that's probably going to make Victoria feel even worse about leaving one of the best things to ever happen to her.
ノンナ・セラーズ:脱出の達人にして、素人の子ども泥棒だな。正直、逃亡中にノンナが「ジェフはどこ?」とか「ジェフが恋しい」って言い出しそうで、それでビクトリアは自分に起きた最高のことの一つを置いてきちゃったことが、もっと辛くなりそうだね。普通くん
guntanksinspace
I adore how much she's really learned from Vicky, even her being observant as fuck.
ワイは彼女がビッキーからめっちゃ学んどるのが好きやわ、観察力えぐいのも含めてなwww2ちゃん
TheBusStop12
原文
I'm really impressed with how perceptive Nonna is. She'd have a real knack for Victoria's lime of work. It makes a lot more sense now why she went along with the plan. I also really appreciate that not a single door or window in Vickys house was left unlocked. It's a nice little detail because Vicky is too cautious to make such an easy mistake Also Jeff and Miles were pretty cool this episode, being there for Victoria when she needed the distraction. Tho Miles is most likely doing it as part of his job keeping an eye on Victoria, he's still pretty cool. He kinda reminds me of The Iron Bull in Dragon Age Inquisition, who also wasn't really hiding that he was a spy and had a similar friendly cool tough guy disposition I really like as well that Jeff figured out not just that Victoria is a spy, but specifically a runaway spy no longer on active duty. Jeff is a smart cookie. I like Jeff, he's a keeper. I feel bad for him tho, this can't be good for his abandonment issues I'm curious how this all will work outside. It makes sense she went on the run as it's clear her cover was falling apart.
ノンナの洞察力には本当に感心するね。彼女ならビクトリアの仕事に適性がありそうだ。計画に乗った理由も今なら納得できるよ。あと、ビクトリアの家のドアや窓が全部鍵かかってたって細かい描写も良かった。あの慎重なビクトリアが簡単なミスをするわけないからね。ジェフとマイルズも今回かっこよかったな。ビクトリアが気を紛らわせたい時にそばにいてくれたし。マイルズは任務としてビクトリアを見張ってるんだろうけど、それでもかっこいい。ドラゴンエイジのアイアン・ブルみたいな感じで、スパイだって隠してないのに親しみやすいタフガイなところが似てる気がする。ジェフがビクトリアがスパイだってだけでなく、逃亡中で現役じゃないって見抜いたのも賢いな。ジェフはいいキャラだと思う。ただ、彼の見捨てられ恐怖症には良くないだろうからちょっと気の毒だけど。外でどうなるのか気になるな。彼女の偽装が崩れてたってのは、逃亡した理由として納得だよ。普通くん
CodeXRaven
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I feel bad for those parents, but a kid isn't a doll you can just have over for a few days, unload a lot of emotionial baggage on, and then lock in a room to try and keep. Poor dear, what a terrifying situation. At the end I'm left actually crying, I knew they'd prob have to leave eventually, and that it could happen at any moment, possibly without any goodbyes(I'm so glad they got to through letters at least). And she doesn't know her death was revealed as faked, so it's good she left now. But this sucks, it really really sucks. I really, truly, wanted them to be able to stay there forever 😭. I hope they get to stay at the next place for a long time and make good healthy connections like this again. Oh golly the door closing on the last time she ever saw him, having to keep her usual expressions going.
あの親たちには同情するけど、子供は数日預かって感情的な荷物を全部ぶつけて、部屋に閉じ込めておける人形じゃないよな。可哀想に、本当に恐ろしい状況だ。最後は実際に泣いてしまった。いつかは去らなきゃいけないだろうとは分かってたし、いつ起きてもおかしくない、もしかしたら別れの言葉もなく去ることになるかもしれないと思ってた(少なくとも手紙で伝えられたのは本当に良かった)。そして彼女は自分の死が偽装だと明かされたことを知らないから、今去ったのは良かったんだろう。でもこれは本当に辛い、本当に本当に辛い。ずっとそこにいてほしかったと心から願ってたよ😭。次の場所では長く居られて、またこんな健全な繋がりを作れるといいな。最後にドアが閉まる瞬間、彼女がいつもの表情を保ち続けなきゃならなかったのが辛すぎる。考察くん
karer3is
You're certainly more charitable than me when it comes to those two... pretty much from the moment they laid eyes on her, Nonna was little more than a prize for them to acquire.
その二人については、君のほうがよっぽど寛大だよ…彼らが彼女を一目見た瞬間から、ノンナはただの獲得すべき賞品に過ぎなかったからね。普通くん
Greg_The_Rabbit
Weirdly I hate their made more than anyone. Vicky did a nice thing for her, giving up the apple tart just for the sake of being kind. She had absolutely no reason to report Nonna to them. She had to have known what was going to happen! She basically set a child up for being kidnapped by two traumatized nobles for absolutely no reason.
奇妙なことに、あの二人よりも彼女のことが一番嫌いなんだ。ヴィクトリアは彼女に親切なことをしてくれたんだぞ。ただ親切心だけでアップルタルトを譲ってくれたのに。彼女がノンナを彼らに報告する理由はまったくなかった。何が起こるか分かっていたはずだ!彼女は基本的に、何の理由もなく子供を二人のトラウマを抱えた貴族に誘拐されるように仕向けたんだ。考察くん
ShadowGuyinRealLife
原文
I made a comment on how moving around too often really isn't good for children in the pre-telephone era. Studies have shown that children are less sociable when moved around compared to children with sedentary families if their parents don't have a landline (this study existed before cell phones). Victoria running away with Nonna is somewhat selfish and arguably bad parenting. The only reason I say "arguably" is a lack of suitable people to look after Nonna after she disappear. As we see the nobles are a bunch of pricks treading Nonna little more than a dress up doll to replace their dead daughter. The mother said they should respect Nonna's wishes and let her decide, but apparently was fine just locking her up. Yeah whatever they were like 6 years ago, by now their personalities are broken. Vicotria disappearing with Nonna is probably the least bad outcome for Nonna among those where she flees. Funny thing is the author missed a chance to give Victoria a dilemma. So say Nonna just decides to leave one night early because it was boring and Baroness what's her name (I'm not making fun, I seriously can't remember) does what she said she would do and let Nonna decide. Well than that laves Vicotria in a pickle when she escapes. In that case the alternative to Victoria who will disappear and uproot Nonna, which as I mentioned is not good for developing children would be two nobles who treat Nonna as a doll but who nevertheless respect her wishes, as opposed to two jerks who don't really care what Nonna wants. Victoria would probably still take Nonna since Nonna gives her something to care for and that would reveal a lot about her. She might even knowledge this to herself.
転居が多すぎると子どもに良くないってのはガチでその通りやわ。電話が普及する前の時代の研究やけど、固定電話ない家庭やと引っ越しが多い子は社交性低くなるらしいで。ビクトリアがノンナ連れて逃げるのは自己中やし、子育てとしてもアレやな。「アレ」って言うたのは、逃げた後にノンナの面倒見る適任者がおらんからや。貴族連中はノンナを死んだ娘の身代わり人形みたいにしか扱わんしな。母親は「ノンナの意思を尊重せえ」言うとったくせに、結局閉じ込めるのは平気やったんやろ。まあ6年前の話やから今はもう人格壊れてるやろうけどな。ビクトリアが消えるのは、ノンナにとっては逃亡ルートの中ではマシな方かもしれん。作者がビクトリアにジレンマ与えるチャンス逃したのは惜しいわ。ノンナが退屈で夜中に一人で出て行って、男爵夫人が約束通りノンナに決めさせたらどうなるか。そしたらビクトリア逃げる時に大変やろ。ビクトリアが消えてノンナを引き裂くのと、ノンナを人形扱いしても意思は尊重する貴族二人と、どっちがマシか考えたらええ。ビクトリアは多分それでもノンナ連れてくやろうけどな。ノンナがおらんと生き甲斐ないし。それが彼女の本質を暴くことになるんやけどな。2ちゃん
hvshh
原文
Vicky, you could have just stopped that kick an inch from his hip. He would have known he lost. That couple sucks. If Noona had gotten injured escaping it would have been 100% their fault. The animation on her rolling after the drop was adorable though. I love shows where so many characters think about what's going on and act accordingly. He didn't know she was so close to bailing, so it was a reasonable choice, but I wonder if Jeff is kicking himself over not having that conversation with Vicky.
ビッキー、蹴りを腰の1インチ手前で止めるだけで良かったのに。彼も負けを認めたはずだよ。あのカップルは最悪だね。もしヌナが逃げる時に怪我してたら100%あいつらのせいだった。でも落下後の転がりアニメーションは可愛かったな。登場人物がみんな状況を考えて行動する作品は好きだよ。彼はヌナがそんなに逃げたがってるのを知らなかったから、合理的な判断だったけど、ジェフはビッキーとあの話をしなかったことを後悔してるのかなって思うね。普通くん
Intelligent_Form5743
All he can do is regret and hope to see her again
ワイ、後悔しかできへんけどまた会えることを願うしかないンゴ……2ちゃん
mywif4aiur
Cedric spied on Vicky, got two broken ribs. Miles spied on Vicky, so broken hip.
セドリックはヴィッキーを偵察して肋骨2本折った。マイルズはヴィッキーを偵察して股関節骨折。無理すぎるッ!この2人、同じことしたのに結果がエグすぎるだろ!感情くん
Frontier246
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How is Victoria handling Nonna leaving? Not well! Just...wandering aimlessly, wet from the rain, as if her reason for being has been ripped away from her. At least Jeffrey is there to reassure her that Nonna will come back. Intellectually, Victoria realizes Nonna didn't really ditch her without a plan in mind, but all the same...she's still a mom thinking her daughter might be better off with nobles than with her. But Jeffrey knows that Nonna wants to be with Vicky, and Victoria should understand that. Even so, it's good that she has Jeffrey with her now. No better way to vent frustrations than beating up Miles during a sparring session, huh Victoria? Be mindful you're not abusing the elderly. "If it were me, I would never let Nonna go!" - Dang Clark, that's practically a proposal! I'm not surprised Victoria is ready for a break-in but lo and behold the person breaking in is...Nonna! Having escaped from the Baron with the skills she got from Vicky! Skills she's also used to beat up Clark. Yeahhhhh....the moment they put on a lock on her room, were calling her the name of her dead daughter, and got REALLY weird around her, was probably the time for Nonna to get out of there. I get it, they never got over their daughters' death, Eva feels guilty because her son survived and theirs didn't, but trying to turn Nonna into Dolores isn't the answer. At least they don't make a fuss about dragging Nonna back, rather than just giving her all the stuff they intended for Dolores. Nonna doesn't care, but it makes Vicky think about her own parents. Miles isn't just some friendly old dude, he's there to spy on Victoria! Of course a spy would notice too many coincidences in him showing up and interacting with her the way he did. Ha! Nonna wants them to move in with Jeff. Jeff wants to introduce her to his mom! On some level Victoria wants it too...but she knows they can't, because the heat is on and she never intended to stay there. Jeffrey's not dumb, he's put two-and-two together that Victoria is likely an ex-spy from a rival kingdom, but he would still be willing to throw his noble title away if it meant being with her. His brother, on the other hand, is with the Third Order of Knights and has also pretty much put two-and-two together about Victoria (and that she's likely the redhead behind the prison break) but he's torn between his duty to the kingdom and his love for Jeffrey as a brother. I knew the moment she took that horse she wasn't coming back...and she left a bunch of letters behind to all her close associates. Poor Jeffrey gets Dear John'd AND has to deliver the letters to everyone else who will miss Victoria and can't believe she's gone. She and Nonna are gone and now Jeffrey has to pick up the pieces of losing yet ANOTHER woman he loved.
ビクトリアがノンナの不在をどう受け止めてるかって?全然ダメだね…雨に濡れたまま、目的もなく彷徨ってる。まるで生きる理由を引き裂かれたみたいに。せめてジェフリーが「ノンナは戻ってくる」と慰めてくれてるのが救いだね。頭ではノンナが計画なく捨てたわけじゃないと分かってるけど、それでも…娘が貴族の方がいいと思ってるかもしれないって考える母親なんだよ。でもジェフリーはノンナがヴィッキーと一緒にいたいって分かってるし、ビクトリアもそれを理解すべきだと思う。それでも、今はジェフリーがそばにいてくれて良かったね。スパーリングでマイルズをボコってストレス発散するのが一番だよね、ビクトリア?老人を虐待しないように気をつけてね。「俺なら絶対にノンナを手放さない!」— ダン・クラーク、それほぼプロポーズじゃん!ビクトリアが侵入を覚悟してるのも納得だけど、なんと侵入者は…ノンナ!ヴィッキーから教わったスキルで男爵から脱走してきたんだ!そのスキルでクラークもボコってきたらしい。うん…部屋に鍵をかけられて、亡くなった娘の名前で呼ばれて、周りがすごく変な態度になった時点で、ノンナが逃げ出すべきタイミングだったよね。娘の死を乗り越えられないのは分かるし、エヴァは自分の息子が生き残ったことに罪悪感があるのも理解できるけど、ノンナをドロ普通くん
CodeXRaven
All this 😭♥️
こんなの泣くしかない😭♥️ 優勝すぎるッ!感情くん
LaoWombat-mecha
原文
... Intellectually, Victoria realizes Nonna didn't really ditch her without a plan in mind, but all the same...she's still a mom thinking her daughter might be better off with nobles than with her. So, what was Nonna's plan the Vicky and you alluded to? Just stay for 6 days and leave or something else that never got mentioned? Also, why was the noblewoman so adamant that Vicky and Nonna not go back to the Baron's house? Are they even more suss than her subsequent story suggested?
...理性的には、ビクトリアはノンナが計画なしに自分を置き去りにしたわけじゃないと理解してるけど、それでも…彼女は母親として、娘が自分より貴族のもとにいたほうがいいと思ってるんだよね。で、ビクトリアとあなたがほのめかしたノンナの計画って何だったの?ただ6日間滞在して去るだけだったのか、それとも他に言及されなかったことがあったのか?あと、なんでその貴族女性はビクトリアとノンナが男爵の家に戻るのをあんなに強く反対したの?彼女たちは後から語られた話よりもっと怪しい存在なのかな?普通くん
runevault
Theoretically the plan was to remove the one real complaint the Baron had, that she couldn't really know which she preferred unless she lived with them. So Nonna gave them the six days to prove themselves and remove that claim, then left. Luckily when they tried to trap her she knew how to flee out a window like she was Riche from 7th time loop.
理論上、この計画は男爵が抱いていた唯一の実質的な不満を取り除くためのものだったんだよな。つまり、実際に一緒に暮らしてみない限り、どちらを好むか本当には分からないという主張をね。だからノンナは6日間の猶予を与えて、その主張を覆す機会を彼らに与えた上で去った。そして彼らが罠を仕掛けようとした時、彼女は『ループ7回目の悪役令嬢は、元敵国で自由に生きることにしました』のリシェのように窓から脱出する術を熟知していたというわけだ。考察くん
memelordbtw3000
Nonnas plan was to take the nobles words at face value and assume they'd leave her and Vicky alone after the 6 nights the lock on the door was an unexpected complication but not one she couldn't handle And Eva likely cautioned Vicky on going there herself to prevent Nonna from just being kidnapped at the door
ノンナの計画は、貴族たちの言葉を額面通りに受け取って、6泊の間、自分とヴィッキーを放っておいてくれると想定することだった。ドアの鍵は予期せぬ障害だったけど、彼女にとっては対処できないものじゃなかった。そしてエヴァは、ノンナがドアの前で拉致されるのを防ぐために、ヴィッキーに自分でそこへ行くのを控えるよう忠告したんだろうね。普通くん
LaoWombat-mecha
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Right, but if she knows they are suss, maybe she should have told Vicky this at the beginning, before standing by and saying nothing because she felt sorry for them because she felt sorry for them over something she had no control over. You know, kinda "they're good people aside from kidnapping and delusional behavior." (If you want to give someone a good example of a "run on sentence" please refer to above)
せやな、でも彼女がアイツら怪しいって気づいてたんやったら、最初にビッキーに言うべきやったやろ。可哀想やからって見て見ぬふりして、自分がどうにもできへんことに同情して黙ってたんやろ?「拉致や妄想行動以外はええ人たちやねん」って感じか?(長文の例が欲しいなら上の文を参照してくれwww)2ちゃん
feb914
Eva feels guilty because her son died and theirs didn't, Did you mean survive?
エヴァ、自分の息子は死んだのに相手の子は生き残ったって罪悪感で潰れてるんだよ……マジで胸が痛い……。感情くん
Sleepy10105s
Uh oh Jeff’s in trouble
おっと、ジェフやばいことになってるな普通くん
Frontier246
Lost another love of his life even after he practically begged her not to leave and stay with him...how much more can his heart take?
まじで可哀想すぎん?泣いて頼んだのに結局また愛する人失っちゃったじゃん…彼の心、あとどれだけ耐えられるん?やばくない?😭ギャル
ShzMeteor
The irony is that it was his friends and family who ultimately drove Victoria away through their (justified) suspicion and investigations.
皮肉なことに、最終的にビクトリアを追い出したのは彼の友人や家族の(正当な)疑念と調査だったんだよね。普通くん
mekerpan
I wonder if he will seek a leave of absence to try to find his "found family"?
ワイの「見つけた家族」探すために休暇取るんかな?気になるンゴwww2ちゃん