放送 2026-07-28更新 2026-08-10
melcarba
What happened to the animation in this episode? While the art didn't suffer, the episode looks choppy. Scenes just transitioned abruptly. Some scenes have incomprehensible choreography (i.e.: Vicky's fight with the masked Prince Cedric, the scene where Vicky went up the roof after running out of the bar, etc.). Episode has a lot of close-up shots. Seems like the episode wasn't finished on time.
今週の作画どうしたんだろう。絵は崩れてないけど、全体的にカクカクしてたよね。シーンの切り替わりも急だし。ヴィッキーと仮面のセドリック王子の戦闘とか、バーから飛び出して屋上に上がるシーンとか、動きが分かりづらかった。アップのカットも多かったし、どうやら制作が間に合わなかったっぽいな。普通くん
Frontier246
Also seemed like they tried to avoid showing mouths moving as much as they possibly could.
口元を動かす描写、極力避けてたっぽくない!?それ気づかなかったわ、マジで徹底してたんだな…!感情くん
TheBusStop12
I feel like they probably have a very limited budget and are making do with what they have. Quite possibly they're saving up for a big climactic moment later on as well
予算は限られておるのだろうな。されど、我らが知るは、彼らの力の全てではない。やがて訪れるであろう、運命の最終決戦に備えて力を蓄えておるのやもしれぬ……なにせ、この世界の全ては、その瞬間のために織り込まれておるのだからな。中二病
yahnne954
I remember a saying that the parts that matter are the beginning (to attract people) and the end (to leave a good last impression). The middle stuff tends to be forgotten or overlooked. I assume they organized the budget to focus on later episodes in the season.
「物語で大事なのは冒頭(人を惹きつける)と結末(良い印象を残す)だ」という言葉を思い出した。中盤は忘れられがちだしな。制作陣は予算をシーズン後半に集中させるよう配分したんだろうな、という考察ができる。考察くん
excluded
Ye that fight was terrible. And the rooftop scene was also terrible. It’s still one of my favourite anime this season but this episode is bad. I hope this is just for an episode or two and not gonna be a thing moving forward.
あの戦闘はひどかったね。屋上のシーンもダメだった。それでも今期で好きなアニメの一つだけど、この回は駄作だったな。これが1、2話だけの問題で、今後ずっと続くことじゃないといいんだけど。普通くん
Greg_The_Rabbit
原文
That entire bit with the bar was so strange. Vicky is constantly worried about her secret identity as a former spy leaking but she chooses to flee the bar by jumping up to a roof in the middle of the day like discount spider-woman only to be spooked by a cat and jump back down without a word? What was even the point? I thought maybe they were going to reveal that the drunk was actually a spy or assassin but nope... he was just a drunk and apparently avoiding drunks at a bar is worth nearly outing herself.
バーのシーン、本当に不可解だったな。ヴィクトリアは元スパイという秘密が漏れるのを常に気にしてるのに、昼間に格安スパイダーウーマンみたいに屋上へ飛び移って逃げるのは、猫に驚いて無言で降りてくるだけって、何の意味があったんだろうな。酔っ払いが実はスパイか暗殺者で、その正体が明かされる展開かと思ったけど、違ったな。ただの酔っ払いで、バーで酔っ払いを避けるために、ほぼ正体を晒すリスクを負う価値があったとは思えない。制作陣の意図が読めない場面だった。考察くん
Liliacfury
Tried to cram too much in one episode, and didn’t have the time to then properly adapt it all.
1話に詰め込みすぎてて、その後の展開をちゃんと描く時間がなかったんだよね。普通くん
froggyc19
Glad I'm not the only one who felt this way. The animation seemed very disjointed compared to previous episodes. I really hope this was an anomaly and not a preview of what's to come.
我が目が正しければ、この違和感に気づいたのは我だけではなかったのだな。過去の話と比べて、この作画はまるで異次元から切り取られたかのように不揃いだ。どうかこれが一時の狂気であり、未来を予告する呪いでないことを、我は星に祈ろう。中二病
Wurzelrenner
it felt weird and dreamlike, actually a great way to do it with little time, but didn't really fit this episode or show in general
確かに奇妙で夢心地な感覚でござったな。時間が少ない中でやるには良い手段ではあるが、この話や作品全体の雰囲気には合っておらぬように思うでござる。武士
NanDemoKnaives
I'm glad I'm not the only one, I was disappointed by the drop in quality.
ワイだけかと思ったわ、クオリティ落ちてガッカリやで。2ちゃん
mastereluder6
It got toned down asf but at lest they tried to do it the smart way
かなり抑えられてたけど、少なくとも賢いやり方でやろうとしたのは評価できるね普通くん
orangeglassesgirl
I dislike this style of animation also. It feels lazy and rushed.
このアニメーションのスタイル、俺も嫌いだわ。なんか手抜きで急ぎ足って感じしかしない。感情くん
BosuW
Its not really the animation, it's the storyboard. Way too many closeups and detail shots in quick succession. It's claustrophobic. Though I wouldn't go as far as to say the choreo was literally incomprehensible, at least to me. Nice faint by Vicky there!
これは単にアニメーションの問題ではなく、絵コンテの問題だと思われる。クローズアップとディテールカットが連続しすぎて、画面が窮屈に感じられる。ただ、個人的には振り付けが完全に理解不能とまでは言わない。ビクトリアのフェイントは見事だったな。考察くん
Primary-Paint-1716
i feel that was a stylistic choice. anyway, I actually quite liked it.
いや、あれは意図的なスタイルだと思うんだよ。それにしても、俺は結構好きだったんだよな!感情くん
Saber_SSJ2
It gave me slight headache lol. I don't think that was a stylistic choice and I'm surprised there are ppl who liked it. I personally hope next week won't be the same
ちょっと頭痛くなったわ笑。あれはわざとやった演出じゃないと思うし、好きって人いるのが意外だな。個人的には来週は同じじゃないといいな。普通くん
Smudy
And it was exactly that knowing the episode director (Yamauchi), i can't say i was a fan this time though compared to his other works.
まあ演出担当がヤマウチって知ってたけど、今回は彼の他の作品と比べると正直ピンとこなかったな。悪くはないけど、いつもの冴えは感じなかった。ドライおじ
tripleaamin
I think it felt jarring coming off the previous episodes. The direction choice felt very different. Reminded me of a few episodes in the 2nd part of Sengoku Youko which I wasn't a fan of.
いやマジで前の話から急に雰囲気変わって違和感ヤバかったッ!演出の方向性も全然違うし…あれは『戦国妖狐』第二部のいくつかの回思い出したんだけど、正直あんまり好きじゃなかったんだよな…しんどい。感情くん
shapular
What style? Saving budget style?
どんなスタイル?予算節約スタイル?普通くん
pelirodri
Yeah, this episode was utter trash; huge disappointment, as I was really looking forward to it. I also felt like the audio was out of sync or something; pretty jarring. If the next one is the same, I’m gonna have to drop it, unfortunately.
この回は完全にゴミだったな。期待してただけに落胆が大きい。あと音声がズレてたように感じたんだが、視聴体験を著しく損なうレベルだった。次回も同じクオリティなら、残念だが視聴を断念せざるを得ないという考察ができる。考察くん
PinkGlitterLady4
First of all I liked this episode BUT you can really tell the tiny budget they had for the production this week. They rushed through the events, skipped some slow "filler" moments and the fight scene wasn't well animated. Oh well.. at least the acting and the characters make watching the anime still enjoyable but ngl, I'm a little disappointed that they are doing the bare minimum.
まず今週のエピソードは好きだったけど、制作費がかなり少なかったのは見て分かるよ。イベントを急ぎ足で進めて、ゆっくりした「フィラー」的な場面を省いて、戦闘シーンの作画もイマイチだったし。まあでも、演技とキャラのおかげでまだ楽しめるけど、正直最低限のことしかやってないのはちょっと残念だな。普通くん
EdibleScissors
The stories around the shows that are extremely well animated tend to revolve around studios where the animators have incredibly high morale and/or an incredible amount of resources to work with. When an anime is well-written, though, it’s good marketing for the source material, and good animation is really an unexpected bonus (the animation studio also loves the source material).
作画が極端に良い作品の裏側には、アニメーターの士気が異常に高いか、潤沢なリソースが存在するケースが多いという考察ができる。一方で、脚本が優れている作品は原作のマーケティングとして機能し、良好な作画はまさに予想外のボーナスと言える。制作スタジオ自体も原作を愛している場合、その相乗効果が作品の質に如実に表れるんだよな。考察くん
encryptoferia
the animation, the frames, the OSTs , all of them are like.... minimal like, can the heavy knight animation share their frame rate to this show lol it's the perfect opposite reason of pans and weird angled shot the other is to show the most stuff while telling less story, while the other one is forcing the least amount of animation and just go on asap with the story
まあ、このアニメは作画もフレームもOSTも全部が最小限だよな。重騎士の作画がフレームレートを分けてくれないかなって思うわ。パンや変なアングルのショットとは正反対だな。片方は少ないストーリーで最大限見せようとして、こっちは最小限の作画でさっさと話を進めるだけだ。悪くはないけど、そういう割り切り方だよな。ドライおじ
Bloodglas
the amount of cuts in that fight scene reminded me of a bad action movie.
あの戦闘シーンのカット割りの多さは、ダメなアクション映画思い出したわwwwwおじ
KumaKumaGambler
原文
Nonna has gotten a lot livelier and cheerful since her introduction, which I believe brings a smile to all our faces. Clark may be slightly older than Nonna, but it would surely be beneficial for Nonna to make friends with him and others closer to her age. "I taught her everything, but I forgot to teach her about hiding / concealing one's skills." - Vicky in facepalm mode when Nonna showed off her acrobatic skills. Lol!
ノンナは登場してからすごく活発で明るくなったよね。それ見てみんな笑顔になると思う。クラークはノンナよりちょっと年上だけど、同年代の友達を作るのはノンナにとって絶対いいことだよ。「俺は全部教えたけど、技を隠すことは教え忘れたな」ってヴィッキーがノンナのアクロバット見て呆れてたの、ほんと笑ったわ。普通くん
mianghuei
"I taught her everything, but I forgot to teach her about hiding / concealing one's skills." - Vicky in facepalm mode when Nonna showed off her acrobatic skills. Lol! Petition for this to be facepalm of the season
「全部ワイが教えたのに、技を隠すことだけは教え忘れてたわ」——ノンナがアクロバット披露した時のヴィッキーの顔パームンゴwwwこれ今期の顔パーム大賞にノミネートしてや2ちゃん
Frontier246
"Maybe I can rationalize this as her just being a tomboy..."
「彼女が単なるおてんば娘だって考えれば納得できるかも…」普通くん
PracticalMarsupial
I'm constantly waiting for more tomboy explanations in this, lol.
トムボーイの説明がもっと増えないか待ち続けてるんだけど、マジでそれな笑感情くん
Nachtwandler_FS
At least it motivated both Nonna and the boy.
少なくともノンナとあの男の子、両方にとっての励みにはなったね。普通くん
KumaKumaGambler
You have my vote! Lol!
ワイもこれに一票や!草www2ちゃん
Frontier246
"I taught her everything, but I forgot to teach her about hiding / concealing one's skills." - Vicky in facepalm mode when Nonna showed off her acrobatic skills. Lol! And we've got Vicky jumping on and off a roof like it's the most normal tomboy behavior of all time.
「彼女には全部教えたのに、自分のスキルを隠すってことを教え忘れてたわ」——ノンナがアクロバット技を見せた時のヴィッキーの呆れ顔、笑ったw しかもヴィッキー自身も屋根に飛び乗ったり飛び降りたりしてるけど、それが一番普通の男勝りな行動みたいに振る舞ってるのがまた面白いんだよね。普通くん
Ocixo
Yeah, I’d also noticed that Nonna has become a lot more cheerful. She feels comfortable enough around to Vicky to let herself be a kid again.
うむ、拙者もノンナが随分と明るくなったことに気づいておった。ヴィクトリアの傍らでは、再び子供心を取り戻せるほど心安らぐのであろうな。武士
Korkez11
I forgot to teach her about hiding / concealing one's skills Victoria can't do that either. That's the reason why she's now in that predicament.
ヴィクトリアに技を隠すことを教え忘れたんだよな。彼女はそれもできないし。だから今の窮地に陥ってるんだと思う。普通くん
reaperow
She was just showing off her mom's cool skills lol
ママのスゴ技見せびらかしてただけじゃん笑ギャル
Alarming-Koala-3524
Yea just a bit more lively than the girl who's response to being asked about her hobbies is "being quiet"
うん、趣味を聞かれて「静かにしてること」って答える子よりは、ちょっと活発だよね。普通くん
Primary-Paint-1716
Wakayama Shion is doing a bang on job on voicing Nonna.
若山詩音、ノンナの声ガチでハマってるやんwww2ちゃん
Frontier246
Honestly have to applaud how well the writing and her performance capture a really believable kid character.
マジで拍手ものだわ!脚本も彼女の演技も、めちゃくちゃリアルな子ども像を描き切ってるのが凄すぎるッ!感情くん
TurkeyPhat
got me cryin in da club for the second time this week
今週2回目の涙が止まらないわ。クラブで泣いちゃうって。普通くん
runevault
The fact it was a prince and she broke his ribs is great. Dude's an idiot. He's trained but she's a professional. Really curious where the story goes from here. Is she going to bring punishment to the Marquess? I didn't expect the Prince to initially back off so easily after Jeff asked them to, but I guess they hold him in that high a regard.
王子の肋骨折ったの草www アホやなアイツ。訓練はしてるやろけど、相手はプロやで。ここからどう転ぶんか気になるわ。侯爵に制裁行くんか?ジェフが止めたら王子が素直に引いたの意外やったけど、それだけ一目置かれてるってことか。2ちゃん
TheBusStop12
原文
The Prince also feels a lot of guilt towards Jeff as it was ultimately the Prince's actions that ended up with Jeff's fiancee commiting suicide and Jeff resigning his post. So I have the feeling the Prince tends to listen on the rare occasion Jeff makes a personal request I also have the feeling that Victoria won't do anything with the Marquess unless pushed to do so. She's already in hot water and going after a member of nobility could severely threaten her and Nonna's life
プリンスもジェフに対してかなりの罪悪感を抱いてるんだろうね。結局、プリンスの行動が原因でジェフの婚約者が自殺して、ジェフが辞職することになったわけだし。だから、ジェフが珍しく個人的な頼み事をした時は、プリンスは聞く傾向があると思う。それと、ヴィクトリアは侯爵と何かするつもりはないと思うよ。追い詰められない限りはね。彼女は既に火の粉を浴びてるし、貴族に手を出したら自分とノンナの命が危うくなるかもしれないからな。普通くん
runevault
That is fair, guilt is a powerful force, and the prince should feel guilty. On the Marquess, her logical brain thinks that way, but she also constantly shows off when she shouldn't. If nothing else if she decides to flee the country I could imagine her murdering him on her way out.
せやな、罪悪感は強力やわ。王子はちゃんと罪悪感持つべきやろ。侯爵夫人は論理的に考えてるけど、余計な場面で自慢しすぎやねん。もし国外逃亡するなら、途中で王子殺してそうやなwww2ちゃん
BosuW
Prince can't even press charges because he was incognito, so technically, that wasn't the Prince!
まじで笑ったんだけど!?プリンス、変装してたから訴えることすらできなくない?てか、その時点でプリンスじゃないし!やばくね!?ギャル
mianghuei
Awwwww.....that must have triggered some trauma in Nonna, to be afraid of losing Vicky by holding her back.
あああああ……ノンナ、ヴィッキーを引き止めることで失うのが怖くなっちゃったんだね……そのトラウマ、胸が痛すぎるッ!感情くん
Frontier246
Victoria and Jeffrey have shown her all the love and devotion she can but her abandonment issues run deep.
ビクトリアとジェフリーがめっちゃ愛と献身を見せてくれてるじゃん?でも彼女の見捨てられ不安が深すぎるんだよね…まじ切ないわ!ギャル
TheBusStop12
I just realized that Jeff also seems to suffer from abandonment issues due to his previous fiancee commiting suicide. Being left alone seems to be a common theme in this story. A lot of the people Victoria deals with are older people who already had their partners pass on and we're feeling lonely as well
ジェフもまた、以前の婚約者の自殺が原因で見捨てられ恐怖症を抱えていることに気づいたんだ。この物語では「置き去りにされる」ことが共通テーマとして描かれていると思われる。ビクトリアが関わる相手の多くは、すでにパートナーを亡くした高齢者で、彼らもまた孤独を感じているという点は、伏線として機能している可能性が高い。考察くん
reaperow
Yeah i see that, come to think of it this series literally started with Victoria going away because she had no one left to trust anymore
確かにそれなw このシリーズ、最初からヴィクトリアが信頼できる奴いなくて去っていくところから始まったもんなwwwwおじ
reaperow
Poor Nonna, but im glad she's gotten more open and closer with her
かわいそうなノンナだけど、もっとオープンになって仲良くなれてよかったと思うよ。普通くん
Past_Distribution144
原文
Rather fun slide show we got today. At least Nonna is finally acting like a kid her age, seemingly no longer scared to be a kid. They animated the important stuff like Nonna doing a flip and running around. Can't even imagine where it goes from here, with her fake identity almost uncovered and attention that keeps finding her. And she has the attention of two princes now, with that story at the end, I doubt a nobles attention is good for her.
今日のスライドショー結構楽しめたわ。少なくともノンナはようやく年相応の子供らしくなったやん、怖がらずに子供でいることを選んだみたいで。フリップとか走り回るところとか、大事な場面はちゃんと作画してくれてたしな。ここからどうなるか想像もつかへんわ、偽の正体バレかけとるし、注目も集まりまくっとるし。しかも今や王子二人の注目浴びとるやん、最後の話からすると貴族の目線が彼女にとっていいもんやとは思えへんわ。2ちゃん
Frontier246
Honestly the report that the real Victoria Sellars is still missing has me concerned that she's going to turn up again and expose Vicky as a fake.
正直、本物のビクトリア・セラーズがまだ行方不明って報告が気になってるんだよね。また現れて、ヴィッキーが偽物だってバラすんじゃないかって心配だわ。普通くん
EdibleScissors
原文
I interpreted that scene somewhat differently. My reading was that her allies in her home country sent her an encoded message that she is considered missing rather than dead, so her ruse in the first episode has fallen apart. Having a status of missing enables counterintelligence to find a person of interest, but there are also various levels of having a wanted status. Being a wanted criminal with a huge bounty is a full-on, no bars declaration that powerful people want that person captured, for instance, but, at the same time, it’s hard to walk back or de-escalate. What this means is that she should expect that a covert search for her has already begun in earnest. Victoria has a predicament because where she is, they suck pretty hard at this intelligence/counterintelligence stuff, but the people there are also kind of nice. Her original country is full of evil James Bonds in comparison.
ワイの解釈やけど、あのシーンはちょっと違うで。本国の味方が「お前は死亡扱いやなく行方不明扱いやで」って暗号で知らせてきたんやろ。つまり第1話の偽装工作はもうバレてるってことや。
行方不明ってステータスは、対諜報部隊が人物を特定しやすいけど、指名手配にもランクがあるんやな。懸賞金かけまくりの凶悪犯扱いなら「こいつを捕まえろ」って明確な意思表示やけど、後から撤回しにくい。つまり、もう密かに本格的な捜索が始まっとるって覚悟せなあかん。
ビクトリアの立場が微妙やねん。今いる場所は諜報・対諜報能力がガバガバやけど、人々は優しい。対して本国は悪のジェームズ・ボンドだらけやからな。せやから板挟みやで。2ちゃん
PinkGlitterLady4
The real Victoria Sellars is a peasant, they wouldn't really care about her and there's no family around either. And there's still one guy doing his job and heavy investigation because he is suspicious of her
実のビクトリア・セラーズはただの平民だし、彼女を気にかける家族も周りにいない。それでもまだ一人だけ、彼女を疑って職務を続けて徹底調査してるやつがいるんだよな。普通くん
EdibleScissors
I don’t recall anything about a real Victoria Sellers being a peasant in the show, but I could have missed when/where that detail came up. As far as anyone investigating her, I think it’s fair that anyone doing their job seriously would be suspicious of her. It makes logical sense.
本編でヴィクトリア・セラーズが実際に農民だったという描写は記憶にないが、その詳細がいつどこで出てきたか見逃した可能性はある。彼女を調査する者なら、真面目に職務を遂行する限り疑うのは当然だ。論理的に筋が通っている。考察くん
PinkGlitterLady4
Everyone who's not a noble or royalty is a peasant. Even someone like a merchant with good connections, although they would not have been chosen as an ideal cover identity.
貴族か王族以外はみんな平民だよね。コネのある商人とかでも、理想的な偽装身分には選ばれなかっただろうけど。普通くん
EdibleScissors
原文
Without getting too philosophical about what real means in the context of spies, I don’t know if there is a reason to believe that the MC was born with an identity that was named something other than “Victoria Sellars”. Given that she was an agent of the government of her country, I think it stands to reason that her country would not give her a fake identity that could be upended by something like a long presumed dead celebrity named Victoria Sellars returning from a long journey around the world. I could be giving them too much credit I suppose. Manufacturing a reason that she is presumed missing would be easy with the backing of a government. Maybe add that she is suspected of being a human trafficking victim and then there is plausible cause to widen the search and use the police. Maybe manufacture the kidnapping of more people and now you might have cause to search the entire country for Victoria Sellars. There are other options for widening search scope. Just have it involve international organized crime, preferably an organization where your intelligence service already has useful connections.
「リアル」の定義をスパイの文脈で哲学的に掘り下げるのは置いておくとして、主人公が「ヴィクトリア・セラーズ」以外の名前で生まれたと考える理由は特にないんじゃないかな。政府のエージェントとして考えれば、当局が長年死亡説のあったセレブ、ヴィクトリア・セラーズが世界一周から戻ってくるみたいな形で覆される偽装身分を与えるとは思えない。もしかしたら彼らに過大評価してるかもしれないけどね。政府の後ろ盾があれば、彼女が行方不明と推定される理由を捏造するのは簡単だ。人身売買被害者の疑いを加えれば、捜索範囲を広げて警察を使う合理的な根拠も生まれる。さらに他の人の誘拐事件をでっち上げれば、全国規模でヴィクトリア・セラーズを捜索する口実もできる。捜索範囲を広げる方法は他にもある。国際組織犯罪を絡めるのが一番だし、できれば諜報機関が既に有益なコネを持つ組織がいい。考察くん
i_reddit_too_mcuh
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I don’t know if there is a reason to believe that the MC was born with an identity that was named something other than “Victoria Sellars”. So, the backstory, if I recall correctly is this (and do excuse me because I don't remember the names of the countries): MC was originally named Chloe and from Country A and became a spy for Country A. When she was betrayed, she went to Country B and took over "Victoria Sellars" identity, who is a missing women from Country B. Then, as Victoria Sellars, MC went to Country C, where the story currently is taking place. So, MC was not born as Victoria Sellars.
主人公が「ビクトリア・セラーズ」以外の名前で生まれたって信じる理由があるかどうかはわからないけど、確かバックストーリーはこうだったはず(国名は覚えてないけど許して):主人公は元々クロエって名前で、A国からB国にスパイとして送られたんだ。裏切られた後、B国に行って行方不明の女性「ビクトリア・セラーズ」の身分を乗っ取った。それでビクトリアとしてC国、つまり今の舞台に来てるって感じ。つまり、主人公はビクトリアとして生まれたわけじゃないんだね。普通くん
Ill-Vast-4693
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Technically, Chloe isn't the MC's real name either, just the alias she answered to at base when between missions. But yes, the real Victoria was a nobody who just happened to match the MC's rough physical description, so when the MC found out that she existed but unlikely to ever turn up, she made a set of papers in her name as a rainy day alias in case she was ever burned on a mission, which she then used after deciding to kill off "Chloe".
技術的に言えば、クロエも主人公の本名ではないんだよな。任務と任務の合間に基地で使っていた偽名に過ぎない。だが、本物のビクトリアは、たまたま主人公の体格的特徴と一致しただけの無名の人物だった。主人公が彼女の存在を知り、しかも彼女が今後現れる可能性が極めて低いと判断した時、いざという時のための偽名として彼女の名前で書類一式を作成した。そして「クロエ」を抹消する決断をした後に、その偽名を使い始めたというわけだ。考察くん
EdibleScissors
原文
Hmmm, I might need to rewatch the first episode. Okay, you are right. I don’t think using a missing person as an assumed identity makes sense, but that is apparently what happened. It would have made more sense if she had a mission there and was reported as a missing person after completing her mission and abruptly leaving. But it would then be weird to reuse an old assumed identity and risk having to deal with loose threads from that old mission. It is a mystery why her intelligence agency is investigating Victoria Sellars. Did her agency not give her that identity? Why would they not do the usual thing with finding a plausible match in the civil registry for births and then done the burnt down church thing that results in conveniently lost information about the person in question actually being deceased? It’s fine, I guess.
まあ、1話見直す必要あるわ。確かに言うとることは分かる。行方不明者を別人として使うのは意味不明やけど、実際そうなってるんやろな。任務中にそこおって、任務終わったら突然消えて行方不明扱いにする方が筋は通るわな。でも古い偽装身分を使い回して、過去の任務の後始末を抱えるリスクを負うのは変やし。彼女の機関がビクトリア・セラーズを調べてるのも謎や。機関がその身分を与えたわけちゃうんか?出生記録で辻褄合わせて、教会焼失で情報を消す定番手法を使わんかった理由が分からん。まあ、ええけどな。2ちゃん
Miselfy
Honestly not gonna lie, she's quite bad at keeping it low imo, especially in this episode.
正直に言うと、彼女は隠すのが下手だと思うよ。特に今回のエピソードではね。普通くん
EdibleScissors
She made a promise to Nonna and is perhaps unwisely keeping that promise. In that respect she’s doing the cinematic superspy stuff instead of being a boring, in real life superspy. Also, everyone who she fights already know she is some superspy and she knows that too, so why not cut to the chase?
ノンナとの約束を守ってるんやな。正直アホらしいかもしれんけど、そのせいで退屈な現実のスパイじゃなくて映画みたいなスパイやってるわけや。しかも相手もワイもお互いスパイやってこと知ってるんやから、さっさと本題入ればええやんwww2ちゃん
SnowyCrow
Also just attempted attack on noble got guy hanged, and she just straight up broke 2 ribs from prince.
まじでやばくない!?貴族襲ったら吊るされたのに、王子から肋骨2本も折られたってヤバすぎじゃね!?ギャル
nuxxism
It didn't necessarily feel like the animation was off to me, but the flow of the episode scene-to-scene definitely felt disjointed today. It felt like they were rushing some things a bit.
アニメーション自体はそこまで違和感なかったけど、今回のエピソードはシーンごとの流れが確かにバラバラに感じたな。ちょっと急いでる感あったね。普通くん
BosuW
Agreed, it wasn't the animation, or was the storyboarding. Not much the animators can do when they're restricted to so many first plane shots.
確かに!アニメーションの問題じゃなくて絵コンテだよな。あれだけ正面ショットに制限されたらアニメーターにできることなんて限られてるだろ。しんどすぎる!感情くん
Liliacfury
Two chapters with almost twenty pages each… more than double the amount they adapted last episode.
2話分で各20ページ近く…前回の倍以上やんwww2ちゃん
FetchFrosh
原文
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すみません、あなたのコメントは削除されました。これはこのスレッド上部の「原作コーナー」に属する内容です。現在放送中のアニメの議論スレッドでは、原作、スピンオフ、作者コメント、未アニメ化コンテンツに関する議論はそこに投稿してください。原作との比較は、どんなに些細なものでもそこに書く必要があります。あなたのコメントはネタバレのためではなく、原作コーナー外での原作議論のため削除されました。質問があれば、このメッセージに返信するか、modmailを送るか、メタスレッドにコメントしてください。ルールを知らない場合は、こちらで読めます。普通くん
Isofruit
原文
Nonna in the first half of this episode was absolutely devastating. Her VA is punching so much emotion through her it's quite honestly incredible. Victoria's more calculating and self-sufficient character shines through nicely to contrast that, but also emphasizes the seriousness with which she cares for Nonna all the more. Quite honestly, this is developing into one of my favourite series this season, particularly Nonna as a character is that impressive.
今週の前半のノンナは本当に圧巻だった。彼女の声優がとてつもない感情を叩きつけてくるのが、正直言って信じられないレベルだ。対照的に、ヴィクトリアの計算高く自立したキャラクターが際立って見える一方で、ノンナへの深い想いの真剣さがより強調されている。この作品、今期で一番のお気に入りになりつつある。特にノンナというキャラクターは、それほどまでに印象的だという考察ができる。考察くん
mekerpan
Despite any flaws in animation or pacing, this is still almost surely going to be near the top of my top tier this season (likely to be a pretty big tier). Chika Anzai and Shion Wakayama are a largew part of the draw -- they really are doing a great job as mother and daughter in this adorable "found family"
アニメーションやテンポに多少の難はあっても、今期のトップ層(かなり大きめの層になりそう)にはほぼ間違いなく入ると思う。安済知佳と若山詩音が魅力の大きな部分を占めてるな——この愛らしい“偽りの家族”で母娘役を本当に上手く演じてるよ。普通くん
szalhi
Even Nonna won't let Vicky forget about her skills. Yes, and Nonna will go with her. But I'm not sure Vicky can ever truly get away just by running. She'll have to cement her position here, at least make it as clear as possible she's not an enemy, which she's already trying.
ノンナはヴィッキーに自分の実力を忘れさせないつもりだな。そしてノンナは彼女に同行する。だが、ヴィッキーが単に逃げるだけで本当に切り抜けられるとは思えない。彼女はここで自分の立場を固める必要がある。少なくとも、敵ではないことを可能な限り明確に示さなければならない。それは既に彼女が試みていることだが。考察くん
Ocixo
Victoria seems to already be fighting her instincts which are telling her to run. She’s grown attached to her cosy life in the capital, and probably doesn’t want to disappear on Jeffrey either. Honestly, I’m thinking that Jeffrey might even abandon his current life to chase after Victoria if needed.
ビクトリアはもう本能に逆らって戦ってるんだね。本能は逃げろって言ってるのに、首都での快適な生活に愛着が湧いてるし、ジェフリーにも黙って消えたくないんだろうな。正直、必要ならジェフリーは今の生活を捨ててでもビクトリアを追いかけるんじゃないかな。普通くん
EdibleScissors
原文
I think Jeffrey’s friend thought Jeffrey would take the hint to run away with Victoria and Nonna when he had Victoria tailed. He had no reason to believe tailing her would achieve anything other than sending Victoria a message that she was under suspicion and felt guilty that Jeffrey might lose a second chance at happiness/love. So, in the end he’s in a pickle because Jeffrey is not getting the hint and tells him to call off the tail, but his brother pulls this stunt and gets some ribs broken for the trouble. Jeffrey is such a well meaning character despite being clumsy and kind of dense, so what can you do? If we circle back to Victoria, though, her optimal strategy is to break contact with Jeffrey and run. Jeffrey will possibly never understand what’s going on nor understand that he is a liability and potential leverage against her whether the leverage is as a hostage, blackmail, etc…. And unfortunately the same could be said about Nonna. It’s precisely these kinds of deviations from optimal strategy that gets the best agents killed/captured. Somehow Jeffrey does have a sense that Victoria could just disappear on him, but that’s been his entire experience with love, so I find it hard to give him too much credit. (There would not be much of a show after this episode if Victoria decided to use the optimal spy strategy of escape, though.)
ジェフリーの友人、最初はビクトリアを尾行させればジェフリーも察して逃げると思ったんやろな。尾行してもビクトリアに疑われてるメッセージ送る以外の意味ないって分かってたはずやし、ジェフリーが二度目の愛のチャンスを逃すのを心配してたんやろ。結局ジェフリーが察してくれへんから尾行やめろって言われて、兄貴がこんな暴挙に出て肋骨骨折る羽目になるし。ジェフリーは不器用で鈍いけど善意の人やからな、しゃーないわ。でもビクトリア視点で見ると、最適解はジェフリーと縁切って逃げることやろ。ジェフリーは自分が人質とか脅迫の材料になるって永遠に理解できへんやろうし、ノンナも同じや。こういう最適戦略から外れる行動が、優秀なエージェントを死なせるんやで。ジェフリーはビクトリアが消える気配は感じ取ってるけど、それが彼の恋愛経験の全てやから、あんまり評価できんな。まあこのエピソードでビクトリアが最適なスパイ戦略で逃げてたら、番組終わってたけどな。2ちゃん
Frontier246
I love how Nonna hears a story about Vicky kicking ass and her first reaction is "teach me how to do that!" She's definitely falling for the Captain and doesn't want to leave. At this point it's her own heart versus her pragmatic risk assessment for her and Nonna's sake.
ノンナがヴィッキーの活躍を聞いて、最初の反応が「教えて!」ってなるの最高だよね。彼女は確実にキャプテンに惹かれてて、もう離れたくないんだろうな。ここまで来たら、自分の気持ちと、自分とノンナのための現実的なリスク判断との戦いだね。普通くん
PeaceAlien
It's a little odd, they keep teasing Vicky disappearing but the OP and ED have the 3 happy together so I can't see her disappearing
なんか変じゃね?Vicky消えるってずっと匂わせてるのに、OPとEDでは3人仲良くしてるからまじで消えるとは思えないんだけど笑ギャル
Kadmos1
The ED/OP could just be baiting us.
ED/OPはただの釣りかもしれないね。普通くん
PeaceAlien
Pain
痛み……ッ!感情くん
NoNameSwitzerland
If the ED/OP would change mid season.... I hope it olds till the end.
ED/OPが中盤で変わるんか…最後まで持ってくれや。2ちゃん
Frontier246
That scene in the OP of her chasing after Jeffrey has me more worried about him...
OPで彼女がジェフリーを追いかけるシーン、彼のことが心配になってきたな…普通くん
RealValf
I slept on this show. Turns out it’s an absolute gem.
まじでこのアニメ見るの遅すぎたんだけど!!めちゃくちゃ神作品じゃん!やばくない!?ギャル
reaperow
We got plenty of hidden gems this season so strap yourself in
今期は隠れた名作がゴロゴロあるで、シートベルト締めとけやwww2ちゃん
Expert_Sympathy_672
what are the other ones
他には何があるの?普通くん
Saber_SSJ2
原文
This episode felt very choppy. Story wise and animation wise. Still liked it but all those close ups made me little nauseous or something, not sure what. Wasn't a pleasant watch. I don't know what's going to unfold from this but that's one magnanimous prince, to have 2 ribs broken and not be mad at Victoria. For someone not wanting attention did she really have to land next to bartender lol? Or did she do it on purpose so he wouldn't worry? If I were captain, even if I loved her, I still wouldn't be able to resist simply asking "who are you" or maybe I've never been truly in love. Maybe he's smarter than me and knows this would lead to her disappearing. I wonder if she regrets stopping the murderer at the party. I would.
今回の話、ストーリーも作画もなんかチグハグやったわ。それでも楽しめたけど、あのアップ連発はちょっと酔うわ。気持ちよく見れんかったンゴ。これからどうなるか分からんけど、あの王子は器デカいな。肋骨2本折られてビクトリアに怒らんとか。注目されたくないって言う割に、バーテンダーの隣に着地せんでもええやろwww。わざと彼に心配させんためやったんか?もしワイが船長でも、愛してても「誰やお前」って聞きたくなるわ。もしかしたら彼はワイより賢くて、それが彼女を消すことになるって分かってるんかもな。パーティーで殺人犯を止めたこと、彼女は後悔してるんかな。ワイなら後悔するわ。2ちゃん
Smudy
原文
I'm not sure i needed Shigeyasu Yamauchi bombarding a Tefuda episode with his direction work. His direction is easily recognizable for me (i got to watch his work in Casshern Sins, Kimi no Iru Machi and Saijaku Tamer and various single episodes from other shows) and usually i like it but something went wrong here for sure with the pacing and a clear lack of animation even by his standards. I'm a little salty ngl.
山内重保の演出が手札のエピソードに入ってきたのは正直必要だったか微妙だな。彼の演出はすぐ分かるんだけど(カッスーンシンズや君のいる町、最弱テイマーとか他作品の単発回で見てきた)、普段は好きなんだよ。でも今回はペース配分もおかしいし、彼の基準からしてもアニメーションが明らかに不足してた。ちょっとイラついてるわ、正直。普通くん
I_am_a_fiction_lover
Ahhh I can't help but feel the animation quality is lower than the previous episodes... The story is however very interesting, which is why it still held my attention... I think the clunky animation might be a stylistic choice, but it didn't work out, for me at least.
作画が前回より落ちてる気がしてならんわ… でもストーリーはガチで面白いから最後まで見てしまったンゴ。カクカクした作画は意図的なのかもしれんが、ワイ的にはハマらんかったわ。2ちゃん
Frontier246
They used up a good chunk of the budget for the dancing animation last episode lol.
前回のエピソードでダンスアニメに予算の大半を使い果たしたの笑えるんだけど、それでも最高だったわ!感情くん
athrun_1
The prince did a FAFO. He earned two broken ribs.
王子まじでFAFOしちゃったじゃん!肋骨2本折られたのやばくね!?自業自得すぎて笑うわwギャル
mywif4aiur
You picked a fight with Vicky???? AND you brought a knife????
ヴィッキーに喧嘩売ったの???しかもナイフ持ってきたの???無理すぎるッ!お前正気か!?感情くん
TheBusStop12
原文
I've noticed loneliness and being left alone seems to be a common theme in this story. Nonna and Jeff both suffer from abandonment issues due to their past. With Nonna's mom abandoning her and Jeff's former fiancee commiting suicide. And the Old Lady where Victoria lives and the older man for whom she works both already had their partners pads on and were a bit lonely. Victoria herself feels abandoned by the one man she used to trust back in her spy days I really appreciate how serious the story takes everything. People seem to be dealing with some serious shit and things don't always work out nicely You can tell they didn't have much budget to work with, especially in the fight scene, but they tried their best to make it work regardless and I really appreciate that
この物語、孤独と置き去りがテーマやな。ノンナもジェフも過去のトラウマで見捨てられ恐怖症やん。ノンナは母に捨てられ、ジェフは元婚約者が自殺してるし。ビクトリアの住む家の婆さんも、働き先のじいさんも伴侶を失って孤独やった。ビクトリア自身もスパイ時代に信頼しとった男に裏切られてるしな。ストーリーがシリアスに扱ってくれてるのがガチで嬉しいわ。みんな重い問題抱えてて、上手くいかんこともある。作画は予算少なそうやけど、特に戦闘シーンは頑張ってるのが伝わってくる。その努力、ワイは評価するで。2ちゃん
ultravioletheart08
原文
Honestly, the SB/ED work by Shigeyasu Yamauchi would have worked given the tilt-ups, close-ups and wider camera panning actually worked in showing Victoria being menacing (as well as her trying to distance herself again with everybody mostly), but said camera angles being used to skip action scene sakuga didn't really mesh well with the overall vibe of #4, so to speak (said transition kept things really clunky). That being said, the staff keeping the anime to manga aesthetic actually worked really well, and it was fun seeing Victoria gain a new student who seems to have lit a competitive fire within Nonna. Also let's hope the Captain never messes with our former spy here, his boss' brother clearly suffered a hell of a broken rib after that kind of kick.
山内重保によるSB/EDの演出は、チルトアップやクローズアップ、ワイドなカメラワークがビクトリアの威圧感(そして皆から再び距離を置こうとする姿勢)を効果的に描けていた点で成立していたと思う。ただ、そのカメラアングルがアクションシーンの作画を省略するために使われたのは、第4話の全体的な雰囲気とは噛み合っていなかったと言わざるを得ない。その切り替えがどうもぎこちなかったんだよな。とはいえ、スタッフが漫画の原作に忠実なビジュアルを保ったのは非常に功を奏していたし、ノンナに競争心に火をつける新入生が現れたのを見るのは楽しかった。あと、元スパイの彼に船長がちょっかい出さないことを願うよ。彼の上司の兄は、あの蹴りで肋骨を確実にやられてただろうからな。考察くん
Frontier246
Also let's hope the Captain never messes with our former spy here, his boss' brother clearly suffered a hell of a broken rib after that kind of kick. Jeffrey: "I'm sorry Victoria, I have to bring you in...wait, Victoria? Where'd you go?"
それに、元スパイの彼に船長が手を出さないことを祈ろう。あのキックで上司の弟は確実に肋骨やられたからな。ジェフリー:「ビクトリア、すまないが確保させてもらう…って、あれ?ビクトリア?どこ行った?」普通くん
liquidpele
原文
Okay, I was giving some benefit of the doubt, but the royalty here has zero self preservation skills. A woman appears from another country, and got entangled with someone with access to literal princes, and then it turns out they're like super-assassin skills.... that break a prince's ribs... "let's just leave her alone because our boy is in looooove and we promised to stop following her". Yea, okay. Also I get what the anime was going for with the prince-fight, why she took the offensive... but it didn't come off well and just made her look stupid like she was throwing away her new life.
いや、ちょっと擁護する余地あったけど、ここの王族は自己防衛能力ゼロやろ。他国から女が来て、王子に近づける奴と絡んで、しかも超暗殺者スキル持ちで王子の肋骨折るって…「もう追跡やめる約束したし、坊っちゃんが恋してるから放っておこう」って、はぁ?アホかと。
王子との戦闘シーンで彼女が攻撃に出た意図は分かるけど、全然上手くいかずに新生活ぶち捨てるバカに見えたンゴwww2ちゃん
PinkGlitterLady4
They never stopped investigating her, they just stopped tailing her.
彼らは彼女の調査をやめたわけじゃなくて、ただ尾行をやめただけだよね。普通くん
i_reddit_too_mcuh
And we learned from Jeff that the prince is strong, yet Victoria is stronger than that. Wouldn't take a genius to know that is from training and experience. The whole thing just screams SUSPICIOUS (to those nobles).
ジェフの話から王子が強いって分かったけど、ビクトリアはそれ以上ってなwww
訓練と経験の賜物って誰でも分かるやろ
でも貴族連中からしたら怪しさ全開やんけ2ちゃん
Lankymetal-uk
Nah, that's just being a tomboy. Nothing to see here.
いや、あれはただのボーイッシュなだけだよ。特に何もないと思うけどね。普通くん
ObvsThrowaway5120
Vicky could always pay the marquess a visit. It wouldn’t be very hard to have him get into an “accident” if she wanted. I wonder what Vicky plans to do now that her cover is almost compromised. Might be time to move on and look for a new place to settle with Nonna…
ヴィッキーなら侯爵を訪ねるのはいつでも可能だ。彼女が望めば、彼を“事故”に遭わせるのも難しくないだろう。潜伏がほぼ露見しかけた今、ヴィッキーが次に何を企むのか気になるところだ。ノンナと共に新たな落ち着き先を探して移動する時期かもしれないな…考察くん
mianghuei
Well that ending was sad..... reflects the realities of our world very much.
あの結末は悲しかったな……現実世界をすごく反映してると思う。普通くん
Frontier246
I feel like the heat is already on, especially when being courted by the medieval equivalent of the top cop of the kingdom, so vigilantism would probably not do her any favors...but it would be satisfying.
もう王国最強の騎士に目をつけられてる時点で相当なプレッシャーだと思うんだよな。そんな状況で私刑に走るのは得策とは言えない……けど、やったら痛快だろうなっていうのは分かる。考察くん
reaperow
She hasnt being blending well but maybe she really enjoys doing these things like she said in the previous eps, Also I dont blame the Victim's brother for wanting to do that at all, it's just a shame really that he's the one who's getting punished
彼女あんまり馴染めてないけど、前の話で言ってた通りこういうこと楽しんでるのかもな。被害者の兄がそうしたい気持ちも分からんでもないわ。でも結局罰を受けるのがそっちってのがホンマに残念やな…2ちゃん
reaperow
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Adorable Nonna reaction Yeah i would have the same reaction too if my mom was able to do those things Peak fluffs!! this is what exactly what we love 🩵🩵 Nonna Desu Tuff, hanc, alm ! Gotta say it is kinda stupid for the Prince to still continue spying on Victoria despite Jeff telling them not to. I guess his curiosity got the better off him or u could say Victoria did Also i like that Nonna and Victoria have gotten much closer to the point that she's not afraid of crying infront of her and Victoria also trusting and training her in return, It's also nice that Nonna's got a friend around her age to hang out with, But im curious what did Chloe's boss do to make her lose trust in him and run away.
ノンナの反応が愛らしすぎるな。もし自分の母親があんなことできたら、俺も同じ反応するわ。最高のほのぼのだ、まさに俺たちが求めてるもの🩵🩵 ノンナ・デス・タフ、ハンク、アルム!
ジェフが止めろって言ったのに、王子がまだビクトリアをスパイし続けるのは正直バカらしいと思う。好奇心に負けたか、あるいはビクトリアの魅力にやられたってところか。
ノンナとビクトリアの距離が縮まって、涙を隠さず見せられるようになったのは良い成長だな。ビクトリアも信頼して指導してるし、同年代の友達ができたのもプラスだ。
ただ、クロエのボスが何をしたせいで信頼を失って逃げ出したのか、そこが気になるな。考察くん
Frontier246
But im curious what did Chloe's boss do to make her lose trust in him and run away. I think it was implied he lied to her about her family until she found out they were dead.
ちょっと気になるんだけど、クロエの上司が何したから彼女が信頼失って逃げたんだろ?たぶん家族のこと嘘ついてたって暗示されてたけど、実際は死んでるって知っちゃったからじゃない?マジでやばくね?ギャル
reaperow
Wait really... where was this implied again? Did I miss something
えっマジで…?どこで示唆されてたっけ?俺なんか見逃した!?感情くん
Frontier246
I think it was in the first episode when she runs through her backstory.
最初のエピソードで彼女がバックストーリーを語るシーンだったと思うよ。普通くん
avboden
Girl, if you're trying to be incognito maybe don't go super-ninja-agent and beat up every sketchy guy who approaches, especially when you know the royal family has taken an interest in you. 2nd prince deserved it though
おいおい、隠密のつもりなら超忍者エージェントみたいに動いて近づいてくる不審な奴全員ぶちのめすのはアカンやろwww特に王族に目つけられてるの分かってるならな。でも第二王子はぶちのめされて当然やったけどなw2ちゃん
thisisdropd
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It’s not surprising to learn that the intruder’s related to the Prince, but what’s surprising was that he’s Cedric himself instead of one of his men. That little heroic of her at the ball ended up jeopardising her identity and now she’s had to weigh down the consequences of starting a new life in another country (again). Difference is now there’s Nonna, who she truly cared like a daughter. There’s also Jeffrey who made good of his word in getting her surveillance ceased. She could easily bring Nonna with her but she’d need to burn her relationship with him down, and she’s reluctant to do that.
侵入者が王子と関係あるってのは驚かないけど、本人がセドリックだったのは意外だったな。舞踏会での彼女の小さな英雄的行為が、結局身元を危険に晒すことになって、また別の国で新生活を始めるって結果を受け入れなきゃいけなくなったんだね。前回と違うのは、本当に娘のように大事に思ってるノンナがいること。それに、監視を止めてくれるって約束を守ったジェフリーもいる。ノンナを連れて行くのは簡単だけど、そうするとジェフリーとの関係を壊すことになるし、彼女はそれを躊躇してるんだろうな。普通くん