+96
Prince-Dizzytoon
What an uncomfortable watch
見ててすごく気まずかったわ普通くん+107
DugACCat
原文
Two full episodes of them standing in one place and the MC just crying and leaking snot while babbling in his head and saying one poorly phrased line. There would have been an entirely feasible way to both confess his love while also explaining the rent-a-girlfriend service as how they met, which would have even been mostly true. But clearly that wouldn’t properly derail any sense of progress so it can continue without character growth ad infinitum. Now will we get a third episode standing in the same place? I guess not as the after credits kiss was hopefully the end of this specific slow motion debacle.
同意。2話丸々、同じ場所で立ち尽くし、主人公が鼻水垂らしながら泣き、頭の中で愚痴っては一言だけ的外れなセリフを言うだけの展開は確かに見てて辛い。レンタル彼女の出会いを告白しつつ、愛を伝える方法は十分にあったはずだし、それはほぼ事実に基づいてたんだよな。でもそれだと進展の芽を摘むし、成長のないループが永遠に続くってわけか。エンドロール後のキスでようやくこのスローモーション地獄が終わったことを願うよ。考察くん+71
ExLuckMaster
This episode has so many flashbacks that I thought I was watching a shounen instead of freaking RaG.
確かに。回想多すぎて少年漫画でも見てる気分になったわ。普通くん+27
TnAdct1
Technically, RaG is a shounen.
確かに。閃光多いなとは思ったけど、元々少年誌だしな。ドライおじ+9
hanzperson
原文
The fact they decided to lie again already ragebaited me, but Kazuya deciding to say some pretentious poetic BS about "then, now and forever my world always revolves around you" pushed me over the edge. Who's he feeling like, Shakespeare? Someone punch this guy again because he clearly forgets the situation he's in. He was literally crying in the pool with a boner about getting rejected not even like an hour ago.
この展開、確かに考察する価値がある。まず2話丸々同じ場所で立ち尽くす演出は、和也の心理的停滞を視覚化した意図的な構成だと思われる。しかし、涙と鼻水垂らして号泣した直後に「過去も今も未来も君中心」なんて詩的なセリフを吐くのは、キャラクターの感情の起伏が急すぎてリアリティを損ねている。プールで勃起しながらフラれたことを嘆いてたのが1時間前だぞ? 制作陣の意図が読めない。考察くん+12
BosuW
Was praying for Mami to kill them (symbolically) after they decided to double down.
麻美がトドメ刺してくれんかなって祈ってたわw 二重に嘘重ねるってまじかよ草wwwおじ+5
Valsoyono
bro you are watching "rent a girlfriend"
せやなwww 「レンタル彼女」見てる時点で覚悟決めろって話や2ちゃん+48
Mundology
We all cringe together in this hood
皆で共に気まずさを噛みしめておるのう、この界隈では。武士+22
Frontier246
Just imagine what it must've felt like being at that resort and watching this family make such a spectacle of themselves.
Even the staff was like "can you please stop?" and Granny Nagomi is like "let 'em cook or cook themselves."
確かに、あのリゾートで実際にこの家族の騒動を見てる人たちの気持ちを考えると、めっちゃ気まずそうだよね。
スタッフも「やめてくれませんか」って感じだったのに、和也の祖母は「好きにやらせとけ」ってスタンスだったしさ。普通くん+25
HolyDragSwd2500
Everyone hasn’t moved from their spot and standing around
全く動かず立ち尽くすとは、実に居心地悪き一幕でござるな。武士+21
mojo72400
2 full episodes & a few minutes next week.
ふむ…2つのエピソードと僅か数分の時間。されど、彼らはその場から一歩も動かず、時空を超えた停滞の領域に囚われているのだ。まるで運命の歯車が止まったかのようにな。中二病+5
stephenthatfoste
That part where he just keeps digging his grave deeper for a flimsy reason and crying and sweating everywhere is the kind of peak I expect from this show.
確かに!あのシーンは理由もなく墓穴掘りまくって泣いて汗だくになってる感じが、この作品の真骨頂すぎるッ!最高にしんどいw感情くん+21
Frontier246
But he still made sure to shill Chizuru even while lying lol.
確かに、嘘つきながらも千鶴のことはちゃんとアピールしてたの笑えるな普通くん+13
BosuW
The Chizuru glazing is genuinely insane
Let her carry some response too for the love of God!
She ain't worth this bro. She's hot but not _that_ hot.
千鶴への持ち上げ方がガチでヤバすぎンゴwww
せめてたまには千鶴にも喋らせてやれや!
こんなに肩入れする価値ないやろ。可愛いけどそこまでじゃねーし。2ちゃん+6
Atario
So you're saying it drew emotions from you, and is therefore true art
ふむ…お主の魂を揺さぶり、不快感すらも引き出したというのなら、それはまさしく真の芸術というものだな中二病+6
DugACCat
I don’t mind conversation heavy stories at all. Quite like them sometimes, given the dialog is good. But that’s not what was happening here. Most of the dialog in this series is the MC talking to himself in his head instead of using words to express himself with other people.
会話が多い話は全然嫌いじゃないよ。むしろ台詞が良ければ好きな方だ。でも、この作品はそうじゃなかったんだよね。このシリーズの会話のほとんどは、主人公が自分の頭の中で独り言を言ってるだけで、他の人に自分の気持ちを言葉で伝えてないんだ。普通くん+5
actionfirst1
2 episodes and only like 6 steps have been taken
100/10, I'll never stop doubting this show
2話でやっと6歩くらい進んだ感じだな
100点満点中100点。このアニメを疑うことは一生ないわ普通くん+99
kicksFR
The FMC hasn't uttered a word in nearly and hour (2 episodes+Ep2 post credit scene). This is unlike anything I've ever seen.
確かに!2エピソードでたった6歩しか進んでないとかマジでしんどいわw
FMCがほぼ1時間も一言も喋ってないのヤバすぎるでしょ…こんなアニメ初めて見たわ。でもそれが逆にクセになるんだよな!優勝!感情くん+56
Frontier246
Easiest paycheck of Sora Amamiya's career lol.
確かに。雨宮天にとっては楽な仕事だったな笑普通くん+48
Mundology
Komi-san's seiyuu had more work
同意。でもコメント主は雨宮天の仕事量少なすぎって言いたいんだよね…確かに声優としての負担は軽いかも。でも千鶴の演技はエモすぎて毎週泣けるッ!感情くん+28
BosuW
She deserves the break after voicing Aqua
草w アクアの声で疲れた分だけ、千鶴は楽勝だったってかw ある意味納得だわ笑wwwおじ+13
JuggernautFit6670
You’re the first person to point that out. Didn’t even realize she barely said anything recently
確かに言われてみればそうだな。全然気づかなかったわ。普通くん+9
Nesp2
we needed like 20minutes for the kiss to happen that was teased since last episode.
that said, I'll see you all next week,
absolute cinema.
たったの20分でキスに辿り着いたのかよ…前回から引っ張ってたのに!まじで神回すぎるッ!
来週も絶対見る、これぞ最高の映画だわ。感情くん+31
actionfirst1
I won't ever stop watching this series. I never pull out
確かに、キスまで引っ張りすぎだよね。でも俺はこのシリーズ絶対に見続けるし、途中でやめることなんてないよ。普通くん+20
DugACCat
I’ve never hate watched a show before but I feel kinda committed to keep going on this one for inexplicable reasons. I guess it helps that the women are attractive? Sunk cost fallacy, I suppose. I am admittedly often entertained even if that includes a good dose of aggravation.
ワイもこのシリーズはやめられんわwww
マジで嫌いなのに見続けるって初めてやわ。理由は説明できんけどなんか引きずられてるンゴ。まあヒロインたちが可愛いからかな?サンクコスト fallacy ってやつやな。イライラしながらも楽しんでる自分がおるわ。2ちゃん+12
Atario
Everyone knows the quality of any show is counted with a pedometer
確かに、2話で6歩しか進んでないってマジで笑うわ。このアニメのクオリティは万歩計で測れる説、俺も信じてる。普通くん+9
NationalStrategy
I don’t think that kiss should convince them. She’s an actress, would they not assume that she has experience in performative kissing?
確かに!でもそれでもエモすぎて泣いたッ!演技ってわかってても和也がドキドキしてるのが伝わってきて無理~~優勝!感情くん+42
Frontier246
I guess it's just a Japanese thing when it comes to willingness to do PDA or kiss someone (let alone in public).
確かに、日本だと公共の場でキスするのって結構ハードル高いもんね。そう考えると、あのキスが説得力あるってのもわかる気がする。普通くん+32
JonathanAltd
IIRC their contract forbids them to kiss a client too.
せやな、契約でキス禁止なら尚更やん。ワイもそれ思ったわ。演技経験あるしな。2ちゃん+24
NationalStrategy
Yes
確かに、契約でキス禁止って設定だよね。普通くん+11
kicksFR
It gets to a point that if you're Kazuya's family or Kibe you just have to mind your own business. They both admit to be in a relationship and both are willing to prove it. No reason to keep pushing it, just let them be.
せやな。和也の家族やキベはもうほっとくしかないやろ。本人らが付き合ってるって認めてて証明しようとしてるんやし。もう詮索すんなよ、好きにさせとけや。2ちゃん+15
Ok-Cod5254
>It gets to a point that if you're Kazuya's family or Kibe you just have to mind your own business
The reason the family has a right to know is from a financial standpoint as the main issue for it... If any of **their money** has been used for Kazuya's rental girlfriend situation.
確かに。財布の問題が絡むなら家族も黙って見てられないよね。和也のレンタル彼女に家族のお金が使われてるなら、知る権利はあると思う。普通くん+5
hanzperson
Suspension of disbelief I guess. Realistically they shouldn’t be completely convinced from a simple kiss, but I guess this was the only way for the author to make an excuse to advance the plot.
確かにそれはそうかもね笑
まあ現実的に考えたらキスだけで完全に信じきるのは無理あるじゃん?でも作者が話進めるための方便って感じだよね〜
てかこの作品はそういうご都合展開がデフォだから気にしたら負けだよ!ギャル+5
BosuW
It shouldn't convince them logically, narratively, and morally.
Chizuru and Kazuya don't deserve to get off from this.
Which is precisely why they will I fear.
確かに。論理的にも、物語的にも、道徳的にも、あのキスで納得させるべきじゃないよね。
千鶴と和也がこれで逃げ切る資格はないと思う。
だからこそ、彼らはそうするんじゃないかって怖いんだよな。普通くん+7
Undisguised_Toast
The fact that the pool scene garnered more attention than the kiss scene is so funny lol
プールのシーンがキスシーンより注目集めてるの笑えるwww 優勝すぎるッ!感情くん+40
TnAdct1
By the pool scene, you mean the moment a couple weeks ago, right?
確かに!プールのシーンって先週ぐらいのあれだよね?キスシーンより話題になってて笑うんだけどwwギャル+12
Undisguised_Toast
Yeah the boner one, ppl really came for the memes
せやで、あの勃起ネタのことや。みんなミーム目当てで来てたンゴwww2ちゃん+22
bestmaokaina
May the renting go on
レンタル続けろよ!もっと見たいんだよッ!感情くん+34
Frontier246
I mean, ideally, this should be Chizuru confessing HER feelings like Kazuya did to her and them becoming an official couple.
But knowing this show she'll probably just ask him for bonus pay for that kiss.
せやな、理想的には千鶴が和也みたいに自分の気持ちを告白して、正式にカップルになるのがベストやろな。
でもこの作品の性格考えると、あのキスのボーナス料金を請求するだけやろうなwww2ちゃん+31
nakorurukami
She is a proven cheat, a liar, and a coward. She will do anything to increase her bank balance.
確かに!千鶴が和也みたいに自分の気持ちをちゃんと告白して、正式にカップルになるのが理想だよね!でも千鶴は嘘つきで卑怯で、金のためなら何でもするって証明されてるからな…しんどいわ。感情くん+12
da2Pakaveli
i mean that kiss kinda was confessing but both of them are way too much in denial about it
確かに!あのキスって立派な告白じゃん!?でも二人とも認めるの怖がりすぎだし笑
てか千鶴も和也みたいに自分の気持ちちゃんと言ってほしいよね〜まじで早くくっつけ!ギャル+6
Frontier246
原文
Well, I guess it was nice of Kazuya to want to take all the responsibility so Chizuru wouldn't have to, if only to protect her, even if that also meant taking away any blame Chizuru might actually deserve for the mess they've made of things.
So of course Kazuya's solution is to KEEP LYING by saying they officially got together a week before Granny Sayuri died. So it wasn't a fake relationship by then so they didn't have to tell her! I mean, emotionally that may have been true, but it's still just another lie complete with tons of Chizuru shilling in the process. Even Kibe can hardly believe Kazuya might be trying to spin this now of all times.
But if Kazuya thought he could get away with another lie, he's deeply mistaken. Mami wants to see them kiss and prove their relationship is legitimate, ironically a move Ruka made all the way back in season 1. I mean, they've already made a public spectacle of themselves, what's one kiss going to matter?
Ruka has every reason to want to watch this crash and burn. She oves Kazuya, she feels she NEEDS Kazuya and he needs her, she's his soulmate and she's tried so hard (probably too hard) to make him love her and be his legitimate girlfriend...but seeing Granny Nagomi's stare and realizing how Granny Nagomi genuinely cared about her means she can't stand on the sidelines in a swimsuit.
Ruka and Kuri team-up to try to cover for them and defuse the tension, however in vain, but the sentiment is appreciated. But Kibe doesn't want to believe his best friend is a liar, even if that's what Kazuya's become after five seasons.
But Chizuru FINALLY does something...which is PLANTING A BIG FAT KISS ON KAZUYA'S LIPS! That's right, she went there!
和也が千鶴を守るために全部責任を背負おうとしたのは優しいと思うよ。たとえそれが、二人が作り出した混乱の責任を千鶴から奪うことになってもね。
で、和也の解決策は「小百合ばあちゃんが亡くなる1週間前から正式に付き合ってた」って嘘をつき続けること。感情的に真実かもしれないけど、結局また嘘で、千鶴が大活躍する展開。木部も「今さらそんな話をでっち上げるのか」って信じられない様子。
でも和也が嘘で逃げ切れると思ったら大間違い。麻美がキスを見せろって迫ってくる。皮肉にも瑠夏がシーズン1でやったのと同じ手口。もう公衆の面前で大騒ぎしてるんだから、キスの一つくらい何だってんだろうな。
瑠夏がこの状況をぶっ壊したいと思うのは当然。和也を愛してるし、彼が必要だって感じてる。ソウルメイトだと思って必死に愛させようとしてきたけど…凪沙ばあちゃんの視線と本気の想いを知って、水着で傍観できなくなったんだ。
瑠夏と栗林のタッグでごまかそうとするのは無駄だけど気持ちはありがたい。でも木部は親友が嘘つきだなんて信じたくないんだよな。5シーズンも経ってそうなっちゃったけど。
そして千鶴がついに動いた…和也にガッツリキス!そう、やったんだよ!普通くん+27
NationalStrategy
Wait a minute, if the new lie is that they started dating a week before Sayuri’s death, then that means that they would still have to admit that they were lying about dating each other for about a year. They should still be upset at the two of them.
確かに和也が千鶴を守ろうとして責任を取ろうとしたのは立派だが、ここで注目すべきは新たな嘘の矛盾点だ。もし「沙百合の死の一週間前から付き合い始めた」という設定なら、それ以前の約一年間は嘘の交際だったと認めることになる。周囲は依然として二人の嘘に怒りを覚えるはずで、この展開は伏線として巧妙に構成されていると考察できる。考察くん+8
Rickud123
原文
In my opinion it’s pretty obvious the paradise arc is where Reiji just started making stuff up as he went along.
The first 18 volumes are pretty good sure they have the usual problems that plague this series but it blew up because of them. There is actually a relatively tight plot and it’s pretty decent the climax in the movie arc is very solid and each time the format starts to get stale a new character is introduced to keep your interest. Starting with the paradise arc though the format just kinda stagnated and it feels very disjointed compared to what came before.
I think Reiji likely had everything planned out up until this point the movie arc was likely where it was supposed to end originally but then the series made a lot of money and he kept going. This arc reminds me of “Emily in Paris” it’s basically an ad with a loose plot constructed around that feature in fact moving forward there is lot more moments that feel like an ad disguised as genuine plot.
Now that I mentioned it this story is very similar to “Emily in Paris” it has a creative premise, decent to good start that gradually devolves into an aimless pursuit of true love while littered with ads for luxury products.
個人的には、パラダイス編からReijiがその場で話を適当に作ってる感じがするんだよね。
最初の18巻は確かに良かった。このシリーズによくある問題はあるけど、それで人気が出たんだと思う。映画編のクライマックスはしっかりしてたし、パターンが飽きてきた頃に新キャラを入れて興味を保つ構成も良かった。でもパラダイス編からは展開が停滞して、それ以前と比べてバラバラな印象。
多分Reijiは映画編までは計画してて、本来そこで終わる予定だったんじゃないかな。でもシリーズが儲かったから続けることにしたんだと思う。この編は『エミリー・イン・パリ』に似てて、ゆるいプロットに広告を組み込んだ感じ。実際その後は、ストーリーに見せかけた広告っぽい瞬間が増えてる。
そういえばこの作品は『エミリー・イン・パリ』とすごく似てるな。斬新な設定で、スタートは悪くないけど、だんだん高級品の広告を挟みながら目的もなく真実の愛を追いかける話になっていく。普通くん+24
danmarce
I think the same. The movie arc was actually good, and had some development. They started dating there would make sense and be a great ending.
But, as you say, they decided to reverse all development and milk this forever.
同意やわ。映画編は普通に良かったしちゃんと進展あったしな。あそこで付き合い始めて終われば完璧やったのに。
せやけど、言う通り全部の進展ぶっ壊して搾り続けるスタイルやな。草2ちゃん+6
NationalStrategy
I don’t like that the solution was for them to make up another lie to cover up the initial lie. How do they expect to truly be trusted if they are constantly lying? And what happens if everyone finds out that they were still lying?
確かに嘘を重ねるのは良くない解決策だよね。それで本当に信頼を得られると思ってるのか疑問だし、もしみんなに嘘がバレたらどうなるんだろうな。普通くん+26
Frontier246
The only way I can halfway rationalize it is that they **have** genuinely fallen for each other but they're lying even about that and what happened up to Granny Sayuri's death. They're being accused of being liars and proving that's exactly what they are.
確かに。この展開を正当化する唯一の方法は、彼らが本当に惹かれ合っているのに、その事実すらも、そして斉藤さんが亡くなるまでの出来事までも偽っていると考えるしかないんだよな。つまり、嘘つきだと非難されているのに、まさにその通りだと証明してしまっている構造だと思われる。考察くん+19
ptd163
Kazuya's not lying about being in love with Chizuru. That's probably the most honest thing in the series. It's Chizuru that's lying to herself about having fallen for Kazuya. Now that she's kissed him, even if it was just to get them off their back, I'd like to see her deal with that. But knowing this author that probably won't happen until like season 7 at least lol.
和也が千鶴に恋してるってのは嘘じゃないよ。むしろシリーズで一番正直な部分だと思う。問題は千鶴の方で、自分が和也に惹かれてるって認めてないだけ。キスした以上、たとえごまかしのためだったとしても、その後どう向き合うのか見てみたいな。でもこの作者のことだから、せめてシーズン7までは引っ張るんだろうな笑普通くん+13
hanzperson
I genuinely hope that someday their family finds out that they lied again here and they face the consequences lol
確かにそれな!また嘘で嘘を塗り固めるの、見ててしんどすぎるッ!笑
でも俺はむしろ、いつかバレて大惨事になる展開を期待してるんだよな〜その時が楽しみすぎる!感情くん+10
JonathanAltd
This is like watching a train crash in slow motion
まじでこれ!スローモーションで事故現場見てる気分じゃん笑ギャル+20
ElliotAlderson2024
This is the ultimate hate watch anime.
まさにそれ。嫌いだけど見ちゃう、ある意味究極のアニメだよね。普通くん+10
kanadakid
This episode could have been an email.
このエピソード、メール1通で済むやろ草2ちゃん+23
PrincipeDeiPoveri
Damn, I wanted to see Mami's reaction to the kiss, but given the preview, I guess I'll see it in the next episode
確かに、麻美があのキスにどう反応するか見たかったな。でも次回予告からすると、次の話で分かるっぽいね。普通くん+16
magnumcyclonex
原文
Even on its slowest days and episodes, Dragon Ball Z had more action than this.
I swear, the people surrounding this group of people seems to change with each new vantage point we look at them from. Like there were two random kids off to the side at one point, but I digress.
First off, while we can all lament about Kazuya's inner monologue, I found it quite offputting they had his monologue play while he was talking to Kibe. It was kind of hard to follow (thank the subbers for subtitles).
I can understand from a story point of view, Kibe and Ruka having their thoughts and past memories play out, to lay the groundwork of what they're about to say/do. Ruka was trying to diffuse the situation, while Kibe was trying to make sure his friend wasn't a deceiving little weasel all this time.
(Btw, if not for subtitles, that one scene of Ruka would only have two things to look at)
It's also very mind boggling that after Mami suggested them to kiss, Grandma Nagomi also told them to do it, just to see proof of their love.
Mizuhara did it! Not him, SHE was the one who confessed her love by initiating the kiss!
And next week's preview, are we going to see a catfight? Mami's eyes are villianous.
草、ドラゴンボールZのがアクションあったわ
周りのキャラ増えすぎやろ、視点変わるたびに知らん顔湧いてくるやん。さっきまでいたガキども消えたし
まず和也の独白、木部と話してる時に流すのはキツいわ。字幕なかったら何言ってるか分からん
せやな、木部と瑠夏の回想シーンは話の布石ってのは分かる。瑠夏は場を収めようとしてて、木部は友達が嘘つきじゃないか確かめたかったんやろな
(つーかあの瑠夏のシーン、字幕なかったら見るもん2つだけやんwww)
麻美がキスしろって言った後に、和也の祖母ちゃんも「証拠見せろ」って言い出すの頭おかしいわ
水原がやったんか!ワイじゃなくて、彼女の方から告白してキスしたんや!
来週の予告、女のケンカか?麻美の目が完全に悪役やん2ちゃん+15
JuggernautFit6670
That ruka shot was necessary for the plot, trust.
確かに、その瑠夏のカットはストーリーに必要だったと思うよ。普通くん+6
gvon89
WOAH POSITIVE KARMA??!?!
うおおおおッ!?ポジティブなカルマ!?!?まじかよッ!感情くん+11
omarous_III
Shhh... it's largely been forgotten since the episode everyone has been waiting to troll came and went last week. 😃
しーっ…先週みんなが待ってた叩き回が来て終わったから、もう大体忘れられてるンゴ😃2ちゃん+5
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
Crisis averted I guess, but honestly I don’t think telling one lie to cover for another is a tenable long term solution. At some point, they’ll have to end this whole farce. Either Kazuya actually dates Chizuru for real or he’s gonna basically end up losing all his closest friends and family over a lie. And seeing as how if being a pathetic simp was an Olympic sport homie would be sweeping gold every year, I don’t see these two dating any time soon. Even with that kiss at the end. That might as well have been at gunpoint haha.
確かに危機は回避されたが、嘘を重ねて隠すのは長期的な解決策とは言えないな。いずれこの茶番を終わらせる時が来る。和也が本当に千鶴と付き合うか、あるいは嘘が原因で親しい友人や家族を失うか、二択だと思う。ただ、彼の情けないシンパっぷりがオリンピック種目なら金メダル確実な現状を見る限り、すぐに二人が付き合う展開は想像しづらい。最後のキスも、まるで銃を突きつけられたようなものだったな。考察くん+13
Frontier246
Obviously the best solution for being called out as pathological liar is to keep lying. Like even Kibe told him straight up that this is a point of no return if he keeps lying. And yet they double down.
They were both sweating buckets during that kiss. I know that for sure because they did a close-up of Chizuru's sweat-covered boobs.
確かに、嘘を重ねるのが最善策ってわけじゃないよな。亜美が直接「もう戻れなくなる」って警告してたのに、それでも嘘を重ねるんだからな。
あのキスシーン、二人ともめっちゃ冷や汗かいてたよな。千鶴の汗だくの胸のアップで確定だわ。普通くん+20
kicksFR
Extremely plot relevant close up
確かに!和也まじで嘘重ねすぎじゃね?キベにまでストレートに言われてんのに笑 それにこのアップの演出やばくね?ギャル+10
hanzperson
Yea, why is lying on top of more lying even being portrayed as the good choice here? Kibe basically said it would be unforgivable if he lied and he STILL did it. At some point you have to tell the uncomfortable truth instead.
確かに。嘘の上塗りを正解みたいに描くのどうなんだろうね。キベが「嘘ついたら許さない」って言ったのに、それでも嘘つき続けるし。そろそろ気まずい真実を言うべきだと思うわ。普通くん+5
TempestoLord
2 full episodes for them standing in the exact same place is crazy lol, worse than One Piece level pacing. Kazuya making shit even worse now, should have just come clean and confess right there to Mizuhara, atleast he would give grandma some hope and he could wait for her answer, atleast he got a kiss.
2話丸々同じ場所で立ち尽くすとか草生えるわwww ワンピース並みの進行遅すぎやろ。和也またやらかしてるし、あの場で千鶴に正直に告白しとけば良かったやん。せめてばあちゃんに希望持たせて答え待つとかできたのに。まあキスはもらったからセーフか。2ちゃん+13
BBryant3rd
OMFG this show.
やばっ!このアニメやばすぎじゃん!!笑ギャル+12
IfItWalksLikeATurtle
原文
As someone who has watched a lot of trash anime and movies, how I would have done the episode to make MC less pathetic while still keeping the show going:
Have MC say he developed feelings for FMC from their fake dating and is giving her time to give him a response (which is exactly how last season ended).
Then have MC lie and say that he told FMC to keep the ring when she tried to give it to him as he wants her to think it over.
Then have MC tell Grandma, parents, and BF (Kibe) that if if FMC says no right now, he is going to blame them for the rest of his life for being the reason he gets rejected (back off to keep the story going).
Then have him face the Mami--chan and ask if she did this because she hates that he moved on from her.
(next episode preview Mami chan in response loses her shit and accidentally reveals her past).
The kiss at the end was kind of dumb for the story if they don't at least start actually dating like a real couple after this. If it doesn't work out that is still a nice story told, but if it goes back to business as usual, it might take Guilty Crown's thrown for worse anime I ever watched.
色々クソアニメ・映画見てきた俺からすると、主人公を情けなくせずに話を進めるならこうするわ:
- 偽装デートから本気で好きになったって言って、返事を待ってる設定にする(前シーズンの終わり方そのままでいい)
- 指輪を返そうとした時に「考えてみてくれ」って言って持たせたって嘘をつく
- 祖母・両親・キベに「もし千鶴にフられたら、お前らが原因だって一生恨むからな」って釘を刺す(話を続けるため)
- 麻美ちゃんに「俺がお前から離れたのが気に入らないのか?」って直球で聞く(次回予告で麻美がキレて過去を暴露)
最後のキスシーンは、この後ちゃんと付き合い始めないと話として微妙だわ。そこで終わればまだいいけど、また元の空気に戻るならギルティクラウン超えるクソアニメになるかも。普通くん+9
nakorurukami
Shameless gold-digger took a big fat L today. It's always satisfying to see these people exposed in front of their would-be in-laws. Chizuru must return the wedding ring and money to the family, but it looks like she can't even do this. Her silence is so damning.
恥知らずな金目当ての女が今日デカい敗北を喰らったわ。こういう連中が相手の家族の前でバレるのはいつ見てもスカッとするンゴね。千鶴は婚約指輪と金を家族に返すべきやろ、でもそれすらできてないっぽいな。沈黙が完全に自爆やんwww2ちゃん+8
Frontier246
I guess a kiss can say more than words but the way she just let Kazuya take the initiative the entire time without raising her voice or trying to back him up until the kiss thing doesn't speak well of her.
You'd think her experience as an actress would have been more useful but I guess now she'll use it to sell yet another lie.
確かにキスで語るのはあるけど、あの場面で声を上げずに和也に全部任せてたのはちょっと印象悪いな。女優の経験が活きるかと思いきや、また嘘を売るために使うんだろうね。普通くん+9
Silversquall
And we all know that they will not be a couple. Life will move on dodging lies. Yes. I can’t stop watching. Even if these last 2 episodes felt like forever
わかる…でも絶対にくっつかないってみんな知ってるんだよな。人生って嘘をかわしながら進むもんだし。それでも見るのやめられないんだよな…。最後の2話めっちゃ長く感じたけどッ!感情くん+6
hanzperson
原文
Genuinely FUCK Kazuya. Gets exposed for lying and what does he do? Starts lying even more to "save" Chizuru from the consequences of her actions and saving himself in the process. Kibe even said himself he's tired of being lied to and if he lied here then he's no longer the friend he once knew, and he lied AGAIN. Why is him lying here not shown as despicable?
"I can just say we broke up when get back to Tokyo" Yea that isn't happening and we all know it.
I feel so bad for Ruka. She really fell for the wrong guy. Feeling emotionless HER WHOLE LIFE, finally falling in love with someone after searching for so long and then feeling inferior to Chizuru (who isn’t even trying at all) and feeling anxious because of the situation. She should know she isn't inferior to her at all. FUCK Kazuya for making her feel this way and ignoring her feelings and letting her feel so anxious all the time. Dating her for over 8 months, and continuing to let her feel this way and ignoring her pain. She genuinely DOES love him, and he spits on those feelings completely to pursue someone he literally just decided to confess to even though she's a RENTAL girlfriend and it's breaking the TOS.
"For you and Mizuhara, I'll find a way to end it in a way that doesn't make anyone unhappy" FAT LOAD OF GOOD THAT STATEMENT IS. He's literally hurting her right now. Ultimately, all Kazuya is capable of is making a bunch of empty promises like repeatedly promising to end the rental relationship and then backtracking on those same statements. Loser.
I really don't understand how some people can hate on Ruka so much and say she doesn't actually love Kazuya after this. Literally gave up her best chance at getting him after searching for him for so long in order to defend him WHILE ON THE VERGE OF TEARS. Chizuru doesn't even care much or at all about getting with him as much as Ruka does. God, I felt so bad for her when she was on the verge of tears before defending them and talking about how she'd work harder to make him like her. You'd think Kazuya would value her feelings more after being rejected so many times himself in the past. FUCK him for making her feel this way.
Kazuya's regretting his actions here, but you know he'll go back to lying to them all in a heartbeat after this. I don't know why he regretted entering the trial relationship with Ruka like it would've changed anything about the situation. He just completely waived everyone's feelings away at the end all because he got (reluctantly) kissed. "Ruka-chan must be fuming" is really all he had to say about how she felt about the situation?? One of her worst fears is becoming realized and he doesn't even care that much about it. And the PRETENTIOUS ASS POETIC language at the end there pisses me off. It's basically just a pretty way of saying "nothing else matters because I got kissed tee-hee". Fuck off. She literally kissed him in that situation because she had no choice to.
Kissing doesn't even prove that they're in a relationship at all, I don't know why it's being taken as some guarantee they're in a relationship. And FUCK Chizuru for deciding to kiss him, break her TOS even more and continue lying. Especially when she knows how Ruka feels about all this. This anime ragebaits me like no other.
Edit: What ALSO pisses me off is that Kazuya is gonna start pursuing Chizuru AGAIN after this despite giving up last episode when he had that pool boner because he got kissed in a situation where she felt she "had" to kiss him.
マジで和也クソだろ。嘘がバレたのに、さらに嘘を重ねて千鶴を「守ろう」として自分も助かろうとしてる。木部も「もう嘘つかれるのは疲れた」って言ってたのに、また嘘ついた。なんでここでの嘘がクズ扱いされないんだよ?
「東京戻ったら別れたって言えばいい」って?絶対無理だろ。
瑠夏が可哀想すぎる。人生でずっと感情がなくて、やっと恋した相手がこれかよ。千鶴に劣等感感じて不安になってるのに、彼女は全然悪くないのに。和也が彼女の気持ち無視して8ヶ月以上も放置してるんだぞ。瑠夏は本当に和也を愛してるのに、彼はそれを踏みにじってレンタル彼女のTOS破ってる千鶴を追いかけてる。
「誰も不幸にしない方法を探す」って言ったくせに、今まさに彼女を傷つけてる。結局和也は空約束ばかりのクズだよ。
なんで瑠夏を嫌う人がいるのかマジでわからん。泣きそうになりながら和也を守るために最大のチャンスを犠牲にしたんだぞ。千鶴はそこまで彼に執着してないし。和也も過去にたくさん振られてるんだから、彼女の気持ちをもっと大事にしろよ。
和也は後悔してるけど、またすぐ嘘つくに決まってる。瑠夏とのトライアル関係を後悔してるのも意味わからん。最後はキスされたからって全員の気持ちを無視して「普通くん+7
Avgshitposting
Finallllly but also like ouch lol
やっとかよ!でも胸が痛いンゴwww2ちゃん+5
D3k4s
I'll never understand how this show has so many seasons. I watched maybe 4 minutes of this episode and still got the same experience or better then if i watched all of it.
確かにこの作品よくわからんよな。4分見ただけでフルで見るのと同じ経験になるっての納得。普通くん+7
snowdemon36
There were about 5 seconds that moved the plot. A recap in 10 words.
Kazuya "she's not like that"
Mami "then kiss"
they kiss
マジでそれな!笑 今回もプロット進んだのほんと5秒くらいじゃん?笑
「和也『彼女はそんな子じゃない』」→「麻美『じゃあキスしなよ』」→「チュー」で終わりじゃん!てか毎回同じパターンすぎてやばくね?笑ギャル+10
kwokinator
原文
Shiiit, out of the dumpster fire situation we have here, somehow Kibe is the one that gets to me the most.
Bruh. You're with your bro and his family, why are you questioning your best friend in front of his fucking grandma? If you think your best friend lied to you for a year, fine, take it offline, meet up with him next weekend and punch his lights out. You don't question him in public in front of his grandma when everyone knows that's gonna kill her.
Kazuya needs a new best friend, like yesterday.
キビェ……このゴミ箱みたいな状況の中で、なぜか木部が一番ムカつくんだよ。
おいおい。お前は親友とその家族と一緒にいるんだぞ。なんで親友のクソババアの前で疑うんだ?もし親友が1年間嘘をついてたと思うなら、後で呼び出して殴り合えばいいだろ。みんながそれが彼女を殺すって分かってるのに、公共の場で祖母の前で問い詰めるなよ。
和也には新しい親友が必要だ。マジで今すぐな。普通くん+7
zool714
As much as I love seeing some sort of progress, the secret finally coming out, Chizuru kissing Kazuya. The last two episodes felt like a drag. Too much of dragging moments and thoughts out.
確かに進展とか秘密がバレたり千鶴がキスしたりは最高だったけど…最後の2話は正直ダルすぎたッ!引き伸ばし&心の声が長すぎるんだよ!しんどい!感情くん+6
ptd163
原文
A kiss at the end of the ~~51st~~ 52nd episode. Nice. That went pretty much how I expected it would. Mami had them boxed in with what she thought was her ace in the hole, but I don't think she was expecting Chizuru would actually do it. I'm curious where it goes now because she can't keep lying to herself now. Even if it was just to get them off their back, it still happened. But knowing this author we probably won't see that for multiple seasons lol.
What I didn't expect was that it would be Ruka would come to his Kazuya's defence and try and defuse the situation because she has no reason to help him. This is what she's always wanted after all. If things blow up with Chizuru she can shoot her shot. Or so she thinks at least.
51話……じゃなくて52話ラストでキスか。ナイスやん。
展開は大体予想通りやったわ。麻美は切り札で追い詰めたつもりやったけど、まさか千鶴が実際にやるとは思ってなかったやろな。
もう自分に嘘つき続けられへんから、これからどうなるか気になるわ。たとえその場しのぎでも、キスはキスやしな。
でも作者の性格考えると、この先の展開はまた何シーズンも引っ張るんやろなw
で、予想外だったのが瑠夏が和也を庇って場を収めようとしたことやな。あいつが和也を助ける理由なんてないやん。むしろ千鶴との関係が壊れたら自分にチャンスが来ると思ってるはずやのに。
……少なくとも本人はそう信じてるんやろな。2ちゃん+6
JumpOrganic3798
原文
Well, Kazuya did help Chizuru out in her movie, as mentioned by Sayuri, it's up to Chizuru on what she wants to do. Kazuya will always try to defend Chizuru from the blame as he was at fault at first. Of course, the relationship was built on a lie as she's a rental girlfriend. Now, as Chizuru suddenly kisses Kazuya at the end, it did help Kazuya regain a little trust from his friends and family. As of this, it will be built on a fragile relationship, and it will take a lot of time for Kazuya and Chizuru to solidify their relationship. There will be confrontations in the next episode between Chizuru, Ruka and Mami.
確かに、和也は千鶴の映画制作を手伝ったわけだが、さゆりが言及した通り、最終的にどうするかは千鶴自身の選択に委ねられている。和也は常に千鶴を非難から守ろうとするが、そもそも彼自身に非があったのも事実だ。もちろん、この関係はレンタル彼女という嘘の上に成り立っている。そんな中、終盤で千鶴が突然和也にキスをしたことで、和也は友人や家族からの信頼を多少回復できたと言える。とはいえ、この関係は脆い基盤の上にあるため、二人が関係を固めるには相当な時間がかかると思われる。次回は千鶴、瑠夏、麻美の間で対立が起こるだろう。考察くん+6
Tasty_Speed2885
Mami’s crashout next week boutta be the only good part of this show
マミの来週の大爆発、この作品で唯一の見どころになりそうだわッ!感情くん+5
a_Bear_from_Bearcave
But without her, they would keep like this for another couple of years, probably at least until second grandma kicks the bucket. Also Mami gets a point for being, like, only person in the whole series that doesn't glaze Chizuru.
確かに麻美の存在がなければ、このままあと数年は膠着状態が続いてた可能性が高いよな。少なくともおばあちゃんたちが亡くなるまではね。それに、麻美が評価されるべき点として、シリーズ通して千鶴を過大評価してない唯一のキャラってのが挙げられる。考察くん+7
NationalStrategy
Well TBF, Kazuya and Chizuru were just caught lying for over a year, and evidently, they’re lying again to cover up the initial lie. Kind of difficult to trust their words right now.
まあ確かに、和也と千鶴は1年以上も嘘つき続けてて、しかも今度はそれを隠すためにまた嘘ついてるじゃん?今は二人の言葉を信じるのムズすぎるよね〜ギャル+8
a_Bear_from_Bearcave
Why would they trust them, if the whole rental thing is clearly true and they actually admit it they were lying to them, Kazuya's excuse is just "but we actually stopped lying after a year, we just never got to tell you" when they got caught. Mami may have bad intentions, but she's still right about them, and so is Kibe.
確かにこの展開は興味深いな。和也の言い訳「嘘をつくのをやめたけど、それを伝える機会がなかった」というのは、論理的に見れば説得力に欠ける。レンタル彼女という事実が露見した以上、千鶴と和也の関係は最初から嘘で塗り固められていたわけだ。麻美の意図は悪意に満ちているとはいえ、彼女の指摘は事実を突いている。キベの立場も同様だ。この状況を踏まえると、制作陣は「隠し続けることの代償」を描きたかったのではないか。嘘が真実に変わっても、過去の嘘が信用を損なうというテーマが浮かび上がる。考察くん+5
nakorurukami
Best girl Mami exposes the gold-digger Chorizo in front of Kazuya's family. Kazuya tries to defend her but instantly fails. Kibe punches him for hurting granny. Gold-digger stays silent and waiting for an off-ramp, then Kazuya doubles-down by lying some more.
草、麻美マジで有能すぎるやろwww
和也ん家の前で千鶴の本性暴露キメててワロタ
和也は守ろうとしたけど秒で論破されて草生える
木部のパンチはワイも「やったれ!」って思ったわ
千鶴は無言で逃げ道探してるし、和也はさらに嘘重ねて自爆やん
ガチで見てて辛いンゴ…2ちゃん+8