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「終わりの彼女」 ―オワカノ―
麻美がスマホを落とし、そこに映し出されたのは千鶴の「レンタル彼女」のページ。和をはじめ、家族や友人たちの前で、ついに秘密が明かされてしまう...!凍りつく一同。しかも和男が、過去に和也と千鶴の金銭やり取りを目撃していたことを告白し、状況は最悪の方向へ。「私は何度も止めたんです!!」麻美は涙ながらに訴え始める。言葉を失う和也と、追い詰められる千鶴。そんな中、和はかつて小百合と交わした幸せな会話を思い出していた。
エピソードサムネイル
stephenthatfoste
Like 70% of this episode was a panning shot of them in the exact same position as the last episode ended. They could have at least let the old woman not be crouching the entire time. Really put all they had to give into the last one.
まあ70%くらいは前回と同じ構図のパンだったな。あの婆さん、ずっとしゃがませとく必要あったのか?最終話に全部力注ぎすぎたんだろう。ドライおじ+100
NationalStrategy
So if I’m Kazuya’s father, my immediate question to my son would be “How much money have you spent on her?”
もし俺が和也の父親だったら、真っ先に「お前、あの子にいくら使ったんだ?」って聞くわ。普通くん+71
gc11117
This humiliation ritual is fantastic
辱めの儀式、完璧すぎるッ!最高だよこれ!感情くん+51
BBryant3rd
Holy milking it Batman. They dropped the nuke last episode and this whole episode is the blast spreading and it is still not fully exploded.
まあ、引っ張るだけ引っ張るな。前回核を落としたと思ったら、今回はその余波だけで終わって、まだ爆発しきってないってわけか。ドライおじ+38
NationalStrategy
If I’m Kazuya’s friend/parent/grandparent, and I find out that he and the girl pretending to be his girlfriend that I grew fond of have been lying to me for over a year, I will never be able to trust them again.
もし俺が和也の友達とか親とか祖父母の立場だったら、ずっと好きになってた彼女のフリしてる子と和也が1年以上も嘘ついてたって知ったら、もう二度と信用できないな。普通くん+31
cleaulem
原文
Whether you love or hate Mami, this episode dials up your emotions towards her to 11. From season 4 it was clear that she was plotting something big, and in the end she dropped a tsar bomba. So the big fat and ugly cat is out of the bag. But don't worry, as the cliffhanger promises, our "hero" Kazuya has yet another pathetic lie up his sleeves (even though he's not wearing a shirt right now). It feels almost nostalgic to have an episode that stretches a short moment to 20 minutes with all the inner monologue and talking. Nowadays it's rare to see storytelling like this in an anime. I'll leave it to you if that's a good or bad thing.
七海麻美よ……奴を愛するか憎むかは別として、今回の一話はその感情を限界突破させる禁断の領域だ。第4シーズンから奴が何か巨大な陰謀を巡らせているのは明白だったが、ついにツァーリ・ボンバを投下しやがった。 そう、醜悪なる真実は袋から飛び出した。しかし安心しろ、次回予告が約束する通り、我らの“英雄”木ノ下和也はまたもや哀れな嘘を袖の下に隠している(今は上半身裸だがな)。 一瞬の出来事を20分に引き伸ばし、内なる独白と会話で紡ぐ演出……懐かしさすら覚えるな。現代のアニメでこんな語り口は稀だ。それが善か悪かは、お前の審判に委ねよう。中二病+28
zool714
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Ok I know this show isn’t a writing masterpiece but at least on average the episodes move around. Not necessarily plot wise but at least literally move from one location to another. This whole episode was at that one spot with not much meaningful dialogue. I guess this is what I get for watching this show but watching hot flaming garbage and watching nothing are two different things. This episode was the latter. And while I do think Mami needs and deserves a tight slap, can’t bring myself to hate her as a character. This show needs a villain
確かに本作が文芸的な傑作ではないことは承知しているが、少なくともこれまでは場面展開がそこそこあった。プロットの進行ではなくとも、物理的に別の場所へ移動するだけでもな。ところが今回のエピソードはあの1箇所に留まり、意味のある会話もほぼ皆無だった。この作品を見ている身として自業自得かもしれないが、「燃えるゴミ」と「何もない」は別物だ。今回のエピソードは明らかに後者だった。 麻美には確かに一発ビンタが必要だと思うが、キャラクターとして嫌いになれないという考察もできる。この作品には明確なヴィランが必要であり、彼女がその役割を担っていると考えるのが妥当だろう。麻美の存在は、和也と千鶴の関係をより複雑にし、物語に緊張感をもたらす伏線として機能している。考察くん+18
ObvsThrowaway5120
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I normally don’t like to pile on too much on Kazuya because dude is already pathetic as is but it really amazes me he has not seen what kind of person Mami is. She’s actively blowing up his spot and he still thought there were moments when she was trying to help. Bro needs to grow a brain in addition to a damn spine. Kibe punching him felt very much deserved in the moment. I guess Kazuya finally decided right at the end of the ep to not just spend the whole time internally spiraling and pissing his pants like the sad sack he is. I’m very curious to hear how he’s gonna unfuck this situation.
ふむ…普段は我、木ノ下和也という哀れな存在を責めるのは避けておるのだが、奴が七海麻美という女の本性を見抜けぬとは驚きだ。奴の足場を自ら崩そうとする彼女の策略に、まさか助力を感じ取るとはな。奴には背骨だけでなく、頭脳も宿すべきだ。木部の拳が炸裂した瞬間、それは天地自然の摂理と感じた。 そして最終幕、和也はようやく内なる迷宮から脱し、恐怖に震えるだけの存在を捨てたようだ。この混沌をどう切り裂くのか、我の好奇心が疼くのだ。中二病+44
ShigekuniYamamoto
How does this show have 5 seasons?
この作品、よく5シーズンも続いてるよね。普通くん+19
Nesp2
Impossible to find the thread again this week - classic r/anime. This episode was... pure pain. I'd say Fuck Mami-chan but this was a long time coming.
ふむ…今週もスレッドが見つからぬとは、実にr/animeらしい罠でござるな。 この回は…まさに地獄絵図。某、胸が潰れる思いでござる。 「マミちゃんに呪いあれ」と申したいところだが、これも長き因縁の結末。覚悟はしておったが、やはり辛いものがある。武士+38
NationalStrategy
Holy shit, there were a lot of panning shots
マジでパンショット多すぎじゃね?普通くん+26
lucacp_ysoz
Oh this episode was pure pain, plain masochism of me to finish it. btw, whoever thinks Mami is best girl, we absolutely cannot be friends lol. What a nasty, spiteful snake she is. I hate the whole thing. I'm laughing, but I'm so mad and angry. It's so bad, how can it be so bad.
このエピソードは純粋な苦痛そのものだったな。最後まで観た自分は完全にマゾヒストだわ。 ついでに言うと、麻美をベストガールだと思うやつとは絶対に友達になれないな。あの意地悪で執念深い蛇女め。 全体的に本当に嫌な展開だ。笑えてくるけど、同時に怒りと苛立ちが込み上げてくる。ここまで酷いと、逆にどうやってここまで酷くできるのか考察したくなるレベルだな。考察くん+53
magnumcyclonex
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What season is this? How long in the in-universe time has passed? Oh right, it's been 5 seasons (and many many years in our time), and 1.5 years (and XX months, XX days, XX hours, and XX minutes - to be as precise as Grandma Nagomi) in their time. All of this could have been condensed to much much less time. Yet, we all ate this dumpster fire shit up and keep watching it burn. Now, I know what Mami's there to do. Even the "oh it was a fake" plan did not pan out to "save" them because the site was immediately verified. I love what she is doing. She has a motive, no matter how unjustified it is, but that's a separate topic to be discussed that involves her shitty father. Kibe on the other hand. I'm not exactly sure what he was doing. Was he helping or hurting? Surely he knows, yet he had to question Kazuya on the spot? He later then punched his best friend in the face, stating that Grandma Nagomi was going through some stuff. I really don't understand if his words and actions are ultimately going to help our pathetic little MC. And speaking of him, like I said earlier, instead of running through all his doomsday thoughts, he could have started defending himself and Chizuru. But no, let's all have them be shell shocked for nearly a full episode.
今シーズンって何話目?作中でどれくらい時間経ったんだっけ?ああ、もう5シーズン(現実では何年も)で、作中では1年半(しかも○○ヶ月、○○日、○○時間、○○分って和也の祖母みたいに細かいな)か。 全部もっと短くまとめられたはずなのに、みんなこのゴミみたいな話を食い入って見続けてるんだよな。 今は麻美の役割がわかった。「偽物でした」計画もサイトがすぐ確認されて失敗したけど。彼女のやってること好きだよ。理不尽だけど動機はあるし、それはまた別の話で父親絡みの問題もあるし。 一方で木部は何してたんだ?助けてたのか邪魔してたのか?絶対知ってるはずなのに、なんで和也をその場で問い詰めたんだ?その後、親友の顔を殴って「祖母が大変なんだ」って言ったし。彼の行動がこのダメ主人公を助けることになるのか、さっぱりわからん。 そして主人公だけど、さっきも言った通り、あんな絶望的な妄想ばかりしてないで自分と千鶴を守るべきだっただろ。でも違うんだな、ほぼ一話中ずっと呆然としてたんだから。普通くん+8
Kangrejokiller
I had to search for this discussion. Holy shit the most painful anime episode I've seen.
ふむ…この議論を探すのに苦労したでござる。まさかこれほどまでに胸が痛む回があったとは、某も覚悟が足らなんだ。武士+7
poosjuice
When I saw all the commentary on the last episode I decided to watch it and I was in disbelief - not at the pool scene, but the fact the plot actually progressed in S5 E2. I dropped this show after a few episodes in S1 and it's as though I haven't missed much lol
最終話の感想見て観てみたんだけど、プールのシーンじゃなくて、S5の2話でまさか話が進むとは思わなくてびっくりしたよ。S1の数話で切ったけど、あんまり見逃してない感じだな笑普通くん+14
Shadow_Ass
Last episode was generational. Now back to the usual trash
草ァ!最終回はガチで神回だったのに、またいつものクソアニメに戻ったンゴwww2ちゃん+29
kwokinator
Aoi Yuuki the GOAT for voicing Mami this episode. The sudden switch between her fake crying and the evil inner monologue is just incredible. It's like two totally different people.
蒼井優香が今週の麻美役の声優として最高だったな。あの作り泣きから悪役の内面モノローグへの急な切り替えがめちゃくちゃ凄い。まるで別人二人みたいだった。普通くん+5
HolyDragSwd2500
Chizuru secret has been revealed
千鶴の秘密バレてもうたやんwww 草2ちゃん+11
Viktorv22
Wow, Mami is a special kind of evil. Like, rest of the cast is trash obviously, but her...
確かに麻美は特別なタイプの悪役だね。他のキャラも大概ゴミだけど、彼女は別格だわ。普通くん+9
Frontier246
原文
Five seasons of lying have finally caught up to Kazuya and Chizuru thanks to Mami's "accident." Oh no! If only Mami had been more careful with her phone! It was totally unintentional! And now Kazuya and Chizuru have to reap the web of lies they've been spinning while having a perpetual panic attack. Bless Kazuya's mom for trying to roll with this and be understanding, even if the ring thing just ends up making Chizuru feel more guilty. Man, Mami is GOOD. Acting like this was photoshopped to pretend like she's covering for them...when Granny Nagomi can search it up herself. To think all this could have been ended if someone else in the cast just googled her. Oof. That look Nagomi gave Kazuya...just a piercing, straightforward, gaze trying to get to the heart of how much he'd been lying to her. To finally let him be honest with her. All the while validating all the doubts she had about how unrealistic Chizuru was as his girlfriend. Kazuya is like the LAST person who should be able to handle a crisis situation, especially when his dad realizes what he's been spending his money on, though if he was going to take responsibility for what happened so Chizuru didn't have to...he didn't account for Mami trying to pivot and throwing Chizuru under the bus. All those times Chizuru rejected the chances Mami gave her means now Mami is going scorched Earth and pinning most of the blame on Chizuru and the lies she's told. And the one that hits hardest for Granny Nagomi is the fact that Chizuru was lying to Granny Sayuri up until her death. Granny Sayuri really believed in Kazuya and Chizuru as a couple, maybe more than either of them really did at the time, and she helped Nagomi believe in them too...and that just makes this even harder as she stares at Chizuru and breaks her heart when she confronts Chizuru over lying to Sayuri. And then Granny Nagomi just...gives up and can't deal with this any more. It's understandable Kibe can't make sense of this dynamic because Kazuya and Chizuru have been trying to do the same for five seasons. And even if Kazuya feels Chizuru shares none of the blame, it takes two to tango. Though Kibe can only punch Kazuya. What's there left to do? Other than, apparently, having Kazuya confess his feelings NOW of all times. "Climax and Girlfriend" - Wasn't that last week with the boner and NTR dream?
5シーズンにわたる嘘がついに和也と千鶴に返ってきたか…麻美の「事故」でな。マジかよ。もし麻美がもっとスマホに気をつけてたらな!完全に偶然だって!で、今や和也と千鶴はパニック状態で張り巡らせた嘘の網に絡め取られてるンゴ。 和也の母ちゃんは理解しようとしてくれてるのはありがたいけど、指輪の件で千鶴が余計に罪悪感抱くだけやん…。 麻美、マジ有能すぎるやろ。これ合成だって言い訳して庇うフリしとるのに…ナゴミばあちゃんが自分で検索できるのに。キャストの誰かがググってたら全部終わってたのに、なあ。 あのナゴミばあちゃんの和也を見る目…突き刺さるようなまっすぐな視線で、どんだけ嘘ついてきたか問い詰めてたな。ついに正直に話させるためだったのに。千鶴が彼女として非現実的すぎるって疑念を全部裏付けてただけやったわ。 和也は危機管理能力ゼロのくせに、特に父親に金の使い道バレた時なんか…でも千鶴を巻き込まないために責任取ろうとしたのは分かる。けど麻美が話をすり替えて千鶴を犠牲にしようとしてるのには気づいてなかった。千鶴が何度も麻美のチャンスを蹴ったツケが回ってきて、今度は麻美が全面戦争で千鶴とその嘘に全責任を押し付けとる。ナゴミばあちゃんにとって2ちゃん+9
Idknowidk
This show is literally like those telenovelas with 50 seasons and constant drama. I love it and hate it.
この作品、まさに50シーズン続くメロドラマみたいなもんだよね。毎回ドラマばっかで。好きだけど嫌いでもあるわ。普通くん+6
oneevilchicken
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This made me more uncomfortable than today’s rezero episode. Kazuya even got choked up more. Man, I think the mores disappointing part of this is the adults letting this drag on out in the open for everyone to hear. The mom and dad should have been more adult like and immediately shut this down and brought everyone into private involved and had the people not involved wait somewhere else. There’s no reason to let others like kibe stay involved when it’s really none of their business. It’s easy to hate on Kazuya but all the adults in the room are literally doing absolutely nothing to help the situation.
今日のリゼロよりキツかったわ。和也がさらにどもってて草 つーか大人たちが公然と長引かせてるのが一番クソやろ。親父と母親は大人げなく即座に止めて、関係者だけ連れて行って、関係ない奴は他所で待たせとくべきやったんや。木部みたいな部外者を関わらせとく理由ないやん。 和也を叩くのは簡単やけど、その場の大人たち全員がマジで状況改善に何もしてないンゴwww2ちゃん+5
hanzperson
原文
Serves Kazuya and Chizuru right for having this exposed lol. They shouldn't cry like they're victims in this situation. This is what happens when you keep putting off ending the rental relation relationship for stupid reasons and even going to Hawaii together FOR TWO YEARS. Spending his family's college money for renting a girlfriend is insane. Don't know why the series pretends that Mami's wrong when she's got a point - Chizuru and Kazuya HAVE been deceiving their grandma for 2 years knowing she wanted a successor and she TOOK THE RING even if she did give it back. Kazuya's dumb blind idolization of Chizuru also annoyed tf out of me. "Why is Mizuhara painted as being the one in the wrong" Because she literally also had a hand in this?? They both still lied to her dying grandma until the end even though she didn't want to hear the truth because she was close to death. I'm so happy he got another well deserved punch to his face after so long. It won't fix his behaviour though. WHY WOULD YOU CONTINUE LYING IN THAT SITUATION KAZUYA?? THIS IS ONE OF THE DUMBEST DECISIONS ANYONE'S EVER MADE IN ANIME HISTORY. ACTUAL SCUM BEHAVIOUR JUST BECAUSE HE WANTED TO PROTECT HER FROM ALLEGATIONS THAT WERE ALL TRUE
和也と千鶴が暴露されたのは自業自得だよな。被害者面する筋合いないわ。バカな理由でレンタル関係を先延ばしにして、2年間もハワイまで行ってた結果だろ。家族の学費をレンタル彼女に使うなんて狂ってる。麻美が間違ってるって描く理由がわからない。千鶴と和也は跡継ぎを望む祖母を2年間騙し続けて、指輪も一度は受け取ってるんだぞ。 和也の千鶴に対する盲目的な崇拝にもイライラした。「なぜ水原だけが悪者扱いされるんだ」って?彼女も共犯だろ?死に際の祖母に真実を隠し続けた。久々に和也がパンチ食らってスッキリしたよ。でも行動は変わらないだろうけど。 なんでその状況で嘘を続けるんだ和也!?アニメ史上最も愚かな決断の一つだわ。全部事実なのに彼女を守りたいって理由でクズ行為してるだけだろ。考察くん+7
PencilgonGiveIt2Ya
Bots holding down the votes like this should be illegal lol.
こんな風にボットが投票操作するのって違法にすべきだろ笑普通くん+10