放送 2026-06-05更新 2026-07-05
Primary-Paint-1716
I'm so curious, how the hell does Ibuki afford all her alcohol? I don't know how a university student can afford this alcohol addiction.
ふむ…我が目に映る伊吹という存在は、まさに酒の女神か、あるいは闇の契約を結んだ呪術師か。大学生という身でありながら、あれだけの酒を調達する秘術は、凡人には理解不能な領域のものなのだろうな。中二病
zairaner
I think the general assumption is that this is a rich girls dorm.
確かにここお嬢様寮って感じだよね!てか金持ちしか住めなさそうじゃん?ギャル
cyberscythe
makes sense; they're not drinking White Claw and OneCup sake, they're sharing bottles of whiskey and absinthe like its water
なるほどな。奴らは安酒などではなく、ウィスキーとアブサンの瓶を水のように交わしているのだ。そこに酔いしれる姿こそ、我が目に焼き付けるべき運命の情景よ。中二病
TheBusStop12
Also, they have pretty sizable student dorms
学生寮、結構デカいやんwww2ちゃん
Thispersonthisperson
A villa, one can even say
別荘……いや、某が言うならば、まさに『隠れ里』と呼ぶに相応しい場所でござるな。武士
TheBusStop12
I meant the the rooms themselves, tho the villa is also pretty impressive
部屋そのものの話だけど、ヴィラも結構すごいよね普通くん
larana1192
I think its because they're in Chichibu, A rural area in the prefecture next to Tokyo.
なるほど、彼らが東京の隣県にある田舎、秩父にいるからのう。その土地の空気が物語に深みを与えておるな。武士
ThrowCarp
A rich girls engineering dorm. If we thought Ibuki was loaded before. Wait until she does in fact get an internship at Gujou's company.
やばくね!?お嬢様ばっかの工学部寮って感じじゃん!伊吹がすでに金持ちって思ってたけど、グジョウの会社でインターン決まったらまじでヤバいことになりそう!ギャル
IPman0128
The school they go to is based on two of the top private universities in Japan (Rikkyo University and Tokyo University of Science), with a typical annual tuition fee of 2m yen or 12.5k usd. So it is highly implied that they are from pretty well-off families. EDIT: two universities instead of one
学校のモデルは日本の有名私立大2つ(立教大と東京理科大)で、学費は年間200万円(約1万2500ドル)らしい。つまり彼女たちは結構裕福な家の子ってことだな。追記:1つじゃなくて2つだったわ。普通くん
InterstellarPelican
When their "top private" tuition is just as high as my "random local public university" was even at in-state tuition price.
「トップ私立大学の学費が、俺の地元の公立大学の州内学費と同じくらいってマジかよ…高すぎるッ!」感情くん
DocMcCoy
The US being a broken hellscape has no bearing on anything here
アメリカがクソみたいな地獄絵図なのはここでは一切関係ないやろ草2ちゃん
Atario
Other than the experience of reverse sticker shock
え、まじで逆輸入的な感じの衝撃がすごかったんだけど!笑ギャル
IPman0128
Well consider the annual income for Japanese middle class families sits at around 6 to 9 mil yen, paying 2mil for your kids tuition is definitely an expensive endeavor. It's also not as common to pursue university education in Japan compare to many western countries, so our group of protagonists here are definitely among the upper percentile.
日本の平均世帯年収が600〜900万ぐらいやろ?子供の学費に200万ってガチでキツいやん。しかも日本は欧米に比べて大学進学率そこまで高くないし、このアニメの主人公たちは確かに上の層やな。2ちゃん
larana1192
This is due to Japan's cost of living and the yen-dollar exchange rate.
日本の物価と円ドルレートのせいだよな……しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
kuddlesworth9419
About the same price in the UK as well.
イギリスでもだいたい同じ値段だったね。普通くん
GondolaMedia
It's a law of nature that an university student will always have money for alcohol.
大学生は酒代だけは確保するって自然の摂理やろ草2ちゃん
InternationalLoad891
That's true, but these university students are drinking really good and from the looks of it, expensive stuff. They are not chugging Heineken or Buds. So I believe the setting of a rich girls dorm.
確かに!でもこの大学生たち、飲んでる酒めっちゃいいやつだよね、見た感じ高そう。ハイネケンとかバドとか一気飲みしてないし。だから金持ち女子寮って設定だと思うわ。感情くん
Donnie-G
原文
I guess I'm kinda well off but I could afford the odd fancier night at the Belgian Beer Cafe. Every now and then the odd bottle of absinthe will show up. We weren't very classy about it though, we'd get off our faces and be up to no good. Absinthe was there for the ABV rather than appreciation.... nights always ended badly when a bottle of that was involved. Being an international student, we had the advantage of bringing in duty free so in a way our booze was 'subsidized'. That said these girls are drinking some pretty fancy stuff. I look it up and it's all small microbreweries and local breweries and stuff. They mostly ain't drinking commercial stuff. I don't know if that stuff is necessarily expensive, but is probably difficult to acquire. I wouldn't have the mind to seek this kinda fancy stuff out back in my uni days, and I'm sure Australia has no shortage of similarly fancy stuff. I did look up the Alchemiae Gin they had, 8.6k yen for 500ml is expensive but still affordable as a rare treat. When you start aiming for quality, you're fine with like having one nice craft beer over having 3 cheap beers as well.
まあ自分はそこそこ裕福な方だったけど、ベルギーンビールカフェでたまに贅沢するくらいはできたよ。たまにアブサンが登場することもあったけど、上品な飲み方じゃなくて、ただ酔い潰れて悪さするだけだったな。アブサンは味わいよりアルコール度数目当てでさ…あれが出てくる夜はいつもロクなことにならなかった。留学生だったから免税で酒を持ち込めたから、ある意味酒代は「補助」されてた感じ。でもこの娘たちは結構な高級酒飲んでるね。調べてみたら全部小さな地ビールメーカーや地元の醸造所のやつで、ほとんど商業的な酒じゃない。高級かは分からんけど、入手は難しそうだ。俺が学生の頃はこんなの探そうとも思わなかったし、オーストラリアにも似たような洒落た酒はたくさんあったと思う。彼女たちが飲んでたAlchemiae Ginを調べてみたら、500mlで8,600円は高いけど、たまの贅沢なら手が届く範囲だな。質を求めるなら、安いビール3本より良いクラフトビール1本で満足できるしね。普通くん
czcc_
Probably. But you can drink quality even when middle class and low current income. During my studies I spent – and I still do – about 6-10x more on wine and spirits per year than the average consumer, and I am closer to poverty line than median income. Depends on how you live. E: No way I could travel and eat out so much.
せやな。でもワイみたいな中流~低収入でも質の良い酒は飲めるンゴ。学生時代から今もワインとスピリッツに年間平均の6~10倍使ってるけど、貧困線ギリギリやで。生き方次第やろな。旅行や外食に金使う余裕なんて全くないわwww2ちゃん
TheBusStop12
When I was in uni I bought the good shit as well as I enjoy craft beer and bubbly. While my parents are well off they're not rich by any measurement. Upper middle class at most Avoiding chugging Heineken is what everyone in uni in the Netherlands did. At the very least you get a few crates of Hertog Jan
大学の時は俺もいいやつ買ってたよ。クラフトビールやスパークリングが好きだったし。親はそこそこ余裕あるけど、金持ちってわけじゃない。せいぜいアッパーミドルクラスくらい。オランダの大学ではハイネケンをがぶ飲みするのは誰もやらなかったな。最低でもHertog Janを何ケースか買う感じ。普通くん
heimdal77
A friends ex wife and her friend use to sell blood plasma in college to get alcohol money.
まじやばくない!?友達の元カノとその友達、大学時代に血漿売って酒代にしてたらしいんだけどwwギャル
gothxo
i've just gone under the assumption that they're all incredibly rich girls on account of all of the expensive alcohol, random trips, and different outfits they all indulge in
確かに!彼女たち全員めちゃくちゃ金持ちだよな。高い酒に突然の旅行、着替えまくりとか金のかかり方がエグすぎるッ!感情くん
MembershipNo2077
Yea people mentioning alcohol only and not the very nice dorm and the very nice clothes. They also travel a good bit (even if not far) and stay in various spots.
マジでそれな!酒だけじゃなくて寮もめっちゃオシャレじゃん?あと衣装もかわいいし!てかあんま遠くないけど色んなとこ旅行して泊まってるの見るとまじ羨ましいわ笑ギャル
extralie
Rich parents presumably, also alcohol probably less expensive in Japan than other countries.
まあ親が金持ちなんじゃない?あと日本は他の国より酒が安いってのもありそう。普通くん
080087
Also, once you get known as a person that likes fancy alcohol, that's an extremely easy gift target. So it probably isn't uncommon to get half a dozen bottles a year, depending on how many people she knows
せやな。高い酒好きってバレるとプレゼントでめっちゃ貰えるんやろな。
知り合いの数によるけど、年に半ダースくらい貰うのは普通やろなw2ちゃん
Atario
I want people to know that I'm a person who enjoys large sums of cash
まじで私、大金が好きな人間ってことみんなに知ってほしいんだけど!笑ギャル
larana1192
I think they're all rich af. Yaeka got her motorcycle license and bought motorcycle after dating with Akane, but getting motorcycle license itself cost like 150,000 ~ 220,000 JPY($930~1400) in Japan, plus her motorcycle, Honda rebel 250 costs 400,000~680,000 JPY($2500~4300) so She casually spend $3500~5700 for hobby. Also they went quite expensice French dinner for her birthday.
みんなめっちゃ金持ちだよね。八重花は茜と付き合い始めてからバイクの免許取って車両も買ったけど、日本で免許取るだけで15〜22万円(約930〜1400ドル)かかるし、ホンダのレブル250も40〜68万円(2500〜4300ドル)するから、趣味に軽く35〜57万円使ってる計算になる。誕生日には結構高そうなフレンチディナーにも行ってたしな。普通くん
BasakaIsTheStrongest
Akane also seems to fundamentally not understand why her bandmate needs and is excited about getting an actual job.
まじで茜ってさ、バンドメイトが普通の仕事に就くことにワクワクしてる理由、根本的に理解できてなくない?笑ギャル
outsidebtw
oh damn. there weren't even scenes to imply they had part-time jobs so ig it is on point that these girls are from above middle class income families and here I was thinking throughout the show that I need to find my alcohol alignment given that its not really among my priority (or hobby per se) but yeah, reality slaps me and I guess packs of beer just does the job well
このコメントから考察できるのは、彼女たちの家計が中流以上であるという点だな。作中でアルバイトの描写が一切なかったことから、制作陣は意図的に経済的余裕を匂わせていたと解釈できる。一方で、自分自身のアルコールとの向き合い方について「優先事項じゃない」と考えていた視聴者の視点も興味深い。現実に引き戻される形で、結局は缶ビールが最適解だと気づく流れは、作品テーマである「酔いと日常のバランス」に通じるものがある。考察くん
OfficialPrower
My thoughts exactly I was like these lot are balling or something
マジでそれ!!この連中、めっちゃ金持ちか何かだろって思ったわ笑感情くん
SecretEmpire_WasGood
I ask myself that very same question when visiting a couple I know at a university town.
大学の町に住んでるカップルの知り合いに会いに行くとき、まさに同じこと考えちゃうんだよね。普通くん
hat1324
You havent noticed how much these girls go out, eat out, and rent private rooms?
気づいてないの?この子たち、外に出まくって食べまくって個室借りまくってるじゃん!やばくね!?笑ギャル
Primary-Paint-1716
every frame of this episode screams lesbian tension.
このエピソード、全編通して百合の空気がすごいな。悪くない。ドライおじ
cyberscythe
the atmosphere was electric; you could float a maglev train on it
やばくね!?あの雰囲気やばすぎて、磁気浮上式鉄道が浮いちゃうレベルだったんだけど笑ギャル
GondolaMedia
Ibuki channeling the same higher power as Lowry
伊吹がロウリーと同じ高みの力を引き継いでるの、すごくいいな普通くん
BosuW
Magnets you say?
磁石って言った!? それエモすぎるッ!感情くん
ThrowCarp
I'm laughing way too hard at that analogy. I'm sure one of the girls in this anime is interning at the company producing this Yuri Maglev train.
はぁ!?その例えやばすぎて笑い止まんないんだけど笑 絶対このアニメのキャラの誰かが、この百合マグレブ列車作ってる会社でインターンしてるじゃん!てかマジでそれ!ギャル
zazakmazak
Lesbian physics strike again, defying gravity, a classic.
レズビアン物理法則また発動かよwww
重力無視しとるやん、草生えるわ2ちゃん
Aidssdia1
Perfectly said
まじそれ!めっちゃ言いたいこと代弁してくれた感じじゃん?笑ギャル
LeonKevlar
原文
Eyecatch 1 | Eyecatch 2 Is that a naked Botan calling out to Ibuki? Why the fuck was Ibuki thinking about that? Did something happen off-screen after last week's episode? I feel bad for Kanade, tho . Ibuki saying that drinking with Botan was the fun part might as well be a rejection. Even Chin-Lan understood what just happened. Speaking of Chin-Lan, this girl really needs to pick her words. Girl would not stop mentioning Botan and Ibuki when they were on their muntain date. And that final scene! AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH! When they said they want to stop being friends, they meant they want to become lovers next, right? RIGHT?!
アイキャッチ1→2で裸のぼたんが伊吹に呼びかけてるのマジかよwww なんで伊吹がそんなこと考えてんだ?先週の放送後になんかあったんか?
可奈には悪いけど、伊吹が「ぼたんと飲むのが楽しかった」って言ったのって実質フリやん。チン・ランも察してたし。
つーかチン・ラン、お前は言葉選べよ。山デート中にぼたんと伊吹の話ばっかすんなや。
そしてラストシーン!アアアアアアアアアアアアア!
「友達やめる」って言ったのって次は恋人になるって意味やろ?そうやんな?頼む!2ちゃん
SirGigglesandLaughs
Lovers, for sure. Also, why wouldn't Ibuki be thinking of a naked Botan? That girl knows what she wants lol. That final scene was well done. They did do Gujou dirty with the ED though. Suffering. That balance between a relationship starting and another fully ending was well done. It's touching but also sad. Really nice combination of emotions.
間違いなく恋人同士だな。伊吹が裸のぼたんを想像しないわけがない。あの娘は自分の欲しいものをよく分かってる(笑)。最終シーンは見事だった。ただ、EDでグジョウが不遇な扱いだったのは辛いな。関係が始まる者と完全に終わる者のバランスが絶妙だった。感動的でありつつも切ない。感情の組み合わせが本当に秀逸だ。考察くん
cyberscythe
Also, why wouldn't Ibuki be thinking of a naked Botan? we are all thinking about naked Botan on this blessed day 😊
てか伊吹がぼたんの裸を想像しないわけないよな。この祝福された日、俺たち全員がぼたんの裸を考えてるんだから😊普通くん
TheBusStop12
I interpreted the ED as Gujo and Ibuki just having a fun trip together as friends without any of the drama. I wonder if it's from the past or the future tho (they've done a Yaeko and Akane ED that was in the future before)
EDは群上と伊吹が、ドラマ抜きでただ楽しく友人同士で旅してるだけの解釈で見てたんだよな。これが過去の話なのか未来の話なのか気になる(過去に八重子とあかねの未来EDやってたしな)。考察くん
IPman0128
I believe the ED is what happened before EP5's B part. They were wearing the same outfits after all. And if this is considered canon, that also implies Gujou-senpai only made her move towards the end of EP5 because of the prior interaction here, as she thought maybe she had a chance seeing that both of them thought about taking picture of them sleeping (and Ibuki even committed).
EDはEP5のBパートの前の話やろな。服も一緒やし。これが公式なら、グジョー先輩がEP5終盤に動いたのも納得や。二人とも寝てる写真撮ろうと思った(しかもイブキは実行した)の見て「ワンチャンあるかも」と思ったんやろな。2ちゃん
SirGigglesandLaughs
Either way is possible but placing that ED after this episode is interesting. I read some of the Japanese comments and they all seem to feel sorry for Gujou there. It's like showing an alternate reality where Botan didn't exist and Gujou could get to be that person closest to Ibuki. It's a cool decision either way. At least Chin Lan is there for her now though.
どちらの解釈も可能だが、この話の後にあのEDを配置するのは興味深い選択だな。日本のコメントをいくつか読んだが、皆そこで牛条を気の毒に思っているようだった。まるでぼたんが存在せず、牛条が伊吹に一番近い存在になれたかもしれない別の現実を見せているかのようだ。どちらにせよ、クールな演出だと思う。少なくとも今はチン・ランが彼女のそばにいるわけだが。考察くん
TheBusStop12
原文
My interpretation is that this ED is after this episode because this episode was a big step in Gujo and Ibuki reconciling. It opened with Ibuki actually drinking with (read, opening up to) Gujo and Chin Lan, something she has never done before, and without Botan, likely would never have done in the first place. Moving on after rejection is a long and arduous process, especially if you intend to stay friends. But this episode was a big step towards it. And the ED shows the ideal end result, them being able to go on a hot springs trip together without it being awkward and just having fun. As someone who is divorced but still good friends with my ex, I could actually relate a lot, but it could also always be projection
このED、今回の話の後に来るって解釈ワイもやわ。
今回、グジョウとイブキが一歩前進した回やったからな。
イブキが初めてグジョウとチンランと酒飲んで心開いてたし、ボタン抜きじゃ絶対やらんかったやろ。
振られた後に友情続けるのってマジで長くて辛い道のりやけど、今回はでかい一歩やった。
で、EDは理想のゴール像やと思うわ。
温泉旅行に気まずさゼロで行けて、ただ楽しめるって。
ワイも離婚したけど元嫁と仲良いからめっちゃ共感できるンゴ。
ただワイの投影かもしれんがな。2ちゃん
SirGigglesandLaughs
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if that's the intent. I think positioning it right after Ibuki and Botan confess to each other will naturally frame that ED a bit differently than if it were placed after another episode in the future though. Gujou hasn't yet gotten over it and struggled a bit this episode. I do agree it was a great step forward for her either way.
確かにそれが意図的な演出だとしても驚かないね。でもイブキとぼたんが告白した直後にEDを持ってくるのは、他の話数で流すのとは自然と印象が変わると思う。グジョウはまだ完全に吹っ切れてなくて今週も苦戦してたし。どっちにしろ彼女にとって大きな前進だったのは同意だ。普通くん
boundegar
College students don't just sleep with anybody? How times have changed!
えっ大学生って誰とでも寝るわけじゃないの!?時代変わったんじゃない!?やばくね!?笑ギャル
extralie
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH! When they said they want to stop being friends, they meant they want to become lovers next, right? RIGHT?! I mean, they kissed... So, we will leave that under a "maybe". lol
まあ、友達やめるって言ったのは次は恋人になりたいってことだよな。キスしてたしな。まあ「そうかもね」ってとこだろうな。ドライおじ
cyberscythe
they're going to be just roommates?
ルームメイトで済むわけないだろ普通くん
Mr_Zaroc
They already held (uncensored) hands, wonder who will get pregnant Also arent all the girls roommates? 😆
もう(無修正で)手繋いじゃったし、誰が妊娠するのか気になるわw つか、全員ルームメイトじゃなかったっけ?😆感情くん
Solracziad
I thought they were already roommates? Do they upgrade to being actually married at this point?
え、もうルームメイトじゃなかったっけ?ここで結婚にグレードアップするの?普通くん
WheelMax
Well, you could interpret it as Ibuki saying she wants to stay living together forever.
まじで!?それってつまり伊吹が「ずっと一緒に住みたい」って言ってるって解釈できるってことじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
Plus_Potato4351
Hey, she could just be Canadian!
いや、カナダ人って可能性もあるじゃん!普通くん
Billardss
This is exactly the reply I was looking for
わかるッ!まさにそれ!!俺が求めてた返信すぎる感情くん
GundamRX_78
They're sworn enemies now, the ending will be one of them getting killed by the other. Scorched Urth.
今や彼らは誓い合った敵同士だな。結末はどちらかが殺されるパターンになるだろう。Scorched Urthみたいに。普通くん
extralie
It actually will end with them fighting shirtless on top of millennium tower.
マジで千年塔の上で上半身裸で殴り合って終わるンゴwww 草2ちゃん
GundamRX_78
NISHIKI!!!
西木ぃぃぃぃ!!!やばくね!?まじでカッコよすぎんだけど!笑ギャル
Mr_Zaroc
I feel OP though, they didnt specify and I have seen too many romcoms to be traumatized by the missunderstandings But this one is safe, we had uncensored handholding after all
ワイもOPの気持ちわかるンゴwww
「誤解でトラウマになる系」のラブコメ多すぎやろ…
でもこれは安心や、なんせ無修正で手繋ぎしとるからな(確信)2ちゃん
TheBusStop12
原文
Is that a naked Botan calling out to Ibuki? Why the fuck was Ibuki thinking about that? Did something happen off-screen after last week's episode? I think Ibuki is just down bad at this point. She was thinking of Botan for emotional support, but because she's so down bad her thought of Botan quickly took a turn into the NSFW. Those 2 really need to get a room asap. Good thing they got one at the end of this episode
あれって裸のぼたんが伊吹に呼びかけてるシーンだよね?なんで伊吹がそんなこと考えてたんだよ…先週の話の後で何かあったのか?もう伊吹は完全にやられてると思うわ。精神的支えとしてぼたんを思い浮かべたけど、あまりにやられすぎてすぐにアダルトな方向に思考が行っちゃったんだな。あの2人は本当に早く部屋を取るべきだわ。良かった、今週の最後でちゃんと部屋取れたし。普通くん
IPman0128
I mean, they held hands …
え、手繋いじゃったじゃん!やばくね!?それだけで尊すぎて死ぬんだが笑ギャル
cyberscythe
just like in the Predator movie
『プレデター』の映画みたいだね普通くん
SaltAndABattery
"Botan, you son of a bitch!"
「ぼたん、このやろう!」ってマジで笑ったんだけど!wギャル
DocMcCoy
Unprotected, even! The scandal
無防備だなんて、なんてスキャンダラスなんだ普通くん
IPman0128
It's OK! It's consensus handholding!
セーフや!合意の上での手繋ぎやでwww2ちゃん
SamuSeen
Is that a naked Botan calling out to Ibuki? Why the fuck was Ibuki thinking about that? "Help me, naked Botan!"
裸のぼたんが伊吹に呼びかけてるのかよw なんで伊吹がそんなこと考えてんだよwww「助けて、裸のぼたん!」ってか笑wwwおじ
AlkaliBasinBoxy
原文
Is that a naked Botan calling out to Ibuki? Why the fuck was Ibuki thinking about that? Did something happen off-screen after last week's episode? Either that is how she remembers the first time Botan encouraged her to drink (which would be funny as fuck and cement her as one of the horniest anime girls of all time), or the implication is that they fucked somewhere between episodes and she's remembering that.
え、裸のぼたんが伊吹呼んでるってこと?なんで伊吹がそんなこと考えてんだよ。前回の放送後、オフスクリーンで何かあったのか?ぼたんが初めて酒を勧めた場面をそう覚えてるか(それなら超笑えるし、史上最高にエロいアニメキャラの一人確定だわ)、あるいはエピソードの合間にやらかしててそれを思い出してるってことか。普通くん
heimdal77
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH! When they said they want to stop being friends, they meant they want to become lovers next, right? RIGHT?! Ya that night ain't ending with just a kiss.
あ゛あ゛あ゛あ゛あ゛あ゛あ゛!!「友達やめる」って言ったの、次は恋人になりたいって意味だよね!?ねえそうだよね!?あの夜、キスだけで終わるわけないじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
IPman0128
They are at a private bungalow in the middle of nowhere, Botan has this all planned out already
完全に人里離れたプライベートバンガローだし、ぼたんは全部計画済みって感じだね普通くん
Elvenoob
When they said they want to stop being friends, they meant they want to become lovers next, right? RIGHT?! This was fundamentally confusing for me because to me, those two relationships exist in parallel, you're someone's friend and their partner, you don't have to stop one to do the other.
「友達をやめたい」という発言は、次の段階として恋人になることを暗に示している、という解釈が成り立つ。しかし個人的には「友達」と「恋人」は並立する関係性であり、一方を終わらせる必要はないというのが持論だ。この台詞、構造的に混乱を招く仕掛けだと思われる。考察くん
WheelMax
原文
They went to that open air seaside bath place before, so Ibuki has seen Botan naked, even if they were both going as friends. I don't think they've slept together yet though, because they are only now saying they will stop being friends. I think it's pretty clear that means a step forwards, nothing else makes any sense. You don't say "I want to keep you all to myself", and then end the relationship.
前回オープンエアの海辺の風呂でぼたんの裸見てたやんwww
あの時はまだ友達同士だったけどな
「友達やめる」って言い出したのは今だし、これは確実に次のステップやろ
「独り占めしたい」って言って関係終わらせるわけないしな
せやな、間違いないわ2ちゃん
clone69
In order to not affect global sales, it's open to interpretation
世界的な売上に影響を与えないように、解釈は自由に任せてるんだね。普通くん
TheBusStop12
原文
It was a very minor scene, but when Ibuki leaves the room and the yellow drains out leaving Gujo in just dark blue hues, followed up by Chin-Lan offering Gujo a drink and a yellow hue coming back into the background was such great visual storytelling Today's episode was very quit, calm and slow paced. Barely any music or even movement. But it didn't come over as bad animation, but instead an artistic choice to emphasize a certain mood. It's quiet, and a bit uncomfortable Botan has been downcast this entire episode, but I noticed that when Ibuki said that she was really happy right now, Botan smiled. And that smile was incredibly well drawn to look relieved happy. God the small details in this show are so fucking good. It feels like having to deal with actual people where sometimes you just have to pick up on small details in their behaviour or facial expression This show does the most interesting confession scenes as well. Completely different than anything I've seen before. I NEED NEXT WEEK'S EPISODE NOW! The ED was cute as well, just Ibuki and Gujo going on a trip having fun together without any of the drama. It's cute. I interpreted the ED as the ideal end result of what this episode was a first step towards, Ibuki and Gujo reconciling and staying good friends without any awkwardness between them. Ibuki agreeing to drink with (read open up to) Gujo and Chin Lan was a big first step on a long and arduous journey to achieve that
今日のエピソード、めっちゃ静かでスローやったな
音楽も動きもほぼ無かったけど、作画が悪いわけじゃなくて、わざとそういう雰囲気出してるんやなって思った
静かでちょっと気まずい感じが逆に良かった
伊吹が部屋出てった後に黄色が消えて、グージョーだけが暗い青に包まれて、そこにチンランが酒を勧めたらまた背景に黄色が戻ってくる演出、ガチで神ってるわ
牡丹ずっと落ち込んでたけど、伊吹が「今すごく幸せ」って言った時だけ笑ったのな
あの笑顔、ホッとした感じがめっちゃ上手く描かれてた
細かい描写がガチでやばすぎるンゴwww
リアルの人間関係みたいに、ちょっとした仕草や表情の変化を読み取らなきゃいけない感じがたまらん
告白シーンも今まで見たことないレベルで面白かったわ
来週の話マジで待てないンゴ!
EDも可愛かった
伊吹とグージョーがドラマ抜きで楽しく旅行してるだけの映像
ワイはあのEDを、今回のエピソードの第一歩が向かう理想のゴールとして解釈したわ
伊吹がグージョーやチンランと酒を飲む(=心を開く)ことに同意したのは、長く険しい道のりの中での大きな第一歩やったんや2ちゃん
InternationalLoad891
I noticed that during the Gujo - Ibuki trip in the ED, they were never able to synchronize on anything. One of them was always off the beat doing something else. It was actually quite awkward and painful to watch, compared to the great chemistry trips of Ibuki - Botan, and even Chin-Lan - Gujo.
EDの郡上-伊吹ペアの旅、ずっと息合ってなかったよな。どっちかが必ずリズム外れて別のことしててさ。伊吹-ぼたんや珍蘭-郡上の息ぴったりな旅と比べると、見てて気まずくて辛かったわ。普通くん
TheBusStop12
Interesting observation, I had not noticed that, but thinking back you're right
確かに!それマジで気づかなかったけど、言われてみればその通りすぎるッ!感情くん
DugACCat
原文
Yes the subtle visual storytelling in this episode was amazing. To me it all combined to escalate the restrained sexual tension through the roof. Even things like the strangely super close up shots which almost felt like something was being censored, all made the tension escalate even amid the calm but uncertain mood as our pair decides whether to strip off the cliff and be true to their feelings or avoid it and keep things comfortably (but sadly) as they are.
今回のエピソードの細かい映像表現、めっちゃ良かったよね。抑えられてた性的な緊張感がどんどん高まってく感じがすごかった。妙に近いアップのカットとか、なんか検閲されてるみたいな演出も全部、2人が崖っぷちで本当の気持ちに正直になるか、現状維持で穏やかだけど寂しい関係に留まるか迷ってる、落ち着いてるけど不確かなムードの中で緊張を盛り上げてたんだと思う。普通くん
BasakaIsTheStrongest
原文
I like how this anime is showing sex and sensuality as a fundamental part of most human experiences without being blatantly fanservicey about it. I do enjoy a bit of fan service, but in this anime the restraint really elevates it. The brief flash of naked Botan felt like it was for the sake of developing our understanding of Ibuki’s character and growing feelings, rather than something to linger on so the audience can say, “Ooh, Tiddies.”
このアニメが、性や官能性を露骨なファンサービスにせず、人間の根本的な経験として描いている点が秀逸だな。ファンサービスも悪くないが、本作の抑制の効いた演出が作品を格段に引き上げている。ぼたんの一瞬の裸体描写も、視聴者に「おお、おっぱい」と言わせるためのものではなく、伊吹の心情や芽生えつつある感情を理解させるための伏線的な演出だと考察できる。考察くん
sam_mee
I love when a show is able to ratchet up tension with deafening silence and subtle expressions. This entire series - an iyashikei with underlying slowburn romance - has the formula and has executed it as well as I can imagine.
この作品が張り詰めた沈黙と微妙な表情で緊張感を高めるのが本当にうまいんだよね。全シリーズ通して、癒やし系にじわじわくる恋愛要素を乗せた構成が完璧にハマってると思う。普通くん
cornonthekopp
The kiss sound being two glasses clinking together feels almost too thematically on the nose but it works so well
キス音がグラスのぶつかる音になってるの、テーマ的に露骨すぎるけどそれが逆に良すぎるッ!完璧だよ!感情くん
ClemFire
原文
Even though the focus of the episode was definitely Ibuki's confession I feel like the episode being bookended by Ibuki and Gujo's friendship is important too is showing off just how much Botan has changed Ibuki. Botan made her feel safe and accepted for the "weird" parts of her that got her judged and made fun of. Ibuki would've never been able to have a drink with Gujo and ultimately become closer as friends if it wasn't for that love. She mentions how there's a limited amount of times friends can drink together but I believe Ibuki will remain friends with her housemates for the rest of her life because Botan opened up her emotional walls. To me that really shows off the depth of their love, and Ibuki has honestly been my favorite new character of the season.
確かに今回のメインは伊吹の告白だけど、話の最初と最後で伊吹と紅緒の友情が描かれてたのも重要なポイントだよね。ぼたんが伊吹の「変わった」部分を受け入れてくれたからこそ、伊吹は安心できたんだと思う。あの愛がなかったら紅緒と酒を飲んで仲良くなれたりしなかっただろうし。伊吹は「友達と飲める回数は限られてる」って言ってたけど、ぼたんが心の壁を壊してくれたおかげで、ルームメイトとは一生友達でいられる気がする。それって本当に愛の深さを感じさせるし、伊吹は今期で一番好きな新キャラだな。普通くん
TheBusStop12
原文
She mentions how there's a limited amount of times friends can drink together but I believe Ibuki will remain friends with her housemates for the rest of her life because Botan opened up her emotional walls. When she first mentioned that I was worried someone had gotten a damning diagnosis off screen and I had been tricked into watching Your Lie in April 2. I think in the end it was set up for them wanting to confess, thus ending their friendship, and worry that said confession could change everything (I doubt it tbh, they already acted like a couple beforehand, but I can understand the fear) The other interpretation I have is that she was scared that if they remained just friends they would eventually drift apart, which realistically does happen. Not many 40-50 year olds still hang out with their university friends. And she cares too much about Botan to risk that happen, so it was a lead up to confession again Because this is a work of fiction however I believe that this group will be tight knit for the rest of their lives
「友達と飲める時間は限られてる」って言うけど、ワイは伊吹はボタンが心の壁壊してくれたから一生ルームメイトと友達やろなって思うンゴ。最初にその話出た時「これ君嘘2やんけ!」ってビビったわwww 結局は告白して友情終わるのを恐れてたって解釈でええんかな。もうカップルみたいなもんやけど確かに怖い気持ちは分かる。現実的に考えたら40~50代で大学の友達とまだ遊んでる奴なんておらんし、ボタンを失うのが怖くて告白に繋げたんやろ。でもフィクションやしこのグループは一生仲良しやと思うわ。2ちゃん
ClemFire
原文
Okay I hadn’t even considered that possibility, and now that I think about it if it was true why is it always the love interest and not the MC with a diagnosis like that in romance (Your Lie in April, Insomniacs after School, I want to eat your Pancreas). I can’t think of an example of the reverse off the top of my head. I first thought she confessed because she was afraid of losing Botan in the future which contrasts with how Botan was worried about if she confesses and their feelings aren’t the same she will lose her in the present. And that is more realistic of most friends eventually drifting apart, but I believe because Botan has influenced Ibuki to be more open she is able to make stronger connections now which might help those friendships persist.
なるほど、その可能性は考えてなかったな。確かに言われてみると、なんで恋愛ものだと主人公じゃなくて恋愛対象の方がそういう診断受けてるケースが多いんだろう(四月は君の嘘、君の膵臓をたべたいとか)。逆パターンはパッと思い浮かばないな。
最初は、牡丹を将来失うのが怖くて伊吹が告白したのかと思った。それは牡丹の「告白して気持ちが違ったら今すぐ失う」という不安と対照的だよね。でも伊吹は牡丹の影響でオープンになって、今はより強い繋がりを作れてるから、友情も続いていくんじゃないかな。普通くん
itsDYA
Is the disease of insomniacs after school something you know from the start or an spoiler?
え、それって知ってて当然なやつ?それともネタバレなの?教えてくれない?ギャル
ClemFire
You know she had a disease near the start of the anime but I never went on to the manga to see what happens with her because I was afraid for the worst
確かに彼女が序盤で病気ってのは知ってたけど、漫画までは追いかける勇気がなかったんだよね。最悪の展開が怖くてさ。普通くん
ThrowCarp
This show does the most interesting confession scenes as well. Completely different than anything I've seen before. I NEED NEXT WEEK'S EPISODE NOW! Kissing while naked together in a open-air bath looking at the stars of bright night sky might as well have been s*x.
この作品の告白シーン、本当に秀逸だよな。俺の知る限り、過去のどんな作品とも全く違うアプローチだ。来週の話が待ちきれない!満天の星空の下、混浴で裸のままキスする演出は、もはや性行為に等しいほどの深い繋がりを表現していると考察できる。考察くん
purplef1owers
Today's episode was very quit, calm and slow paced. Barely any music or even movement. But it didn't come over as bad animation, but instead an artistic choice to emphasize a certain mood. It's quiet, and a bit uncomfortable The sheer quality of the composition and mise en scène completely carried this episode. More was said with their gaze and posture than the dialogue.
今日の話、すごく静かでゆったりしたペースだったね。音楽も動きもほとんどなかったけど、作画が悪いわけじゃなくて、あえて雰囲気を強調する演出だったんだと思う。静かでちょっと居心地悪い感じだけど、構図と演出の質がめちゃくちゃ良くて、台詞より視線や仕草で多くを語ってたよ。普通くん
veal_of_fortune
Wait, there’s another episode next week? I thought this was the end!
えっ来週も放送あんの?最終回かと思ってたンゴwww2ちゃん
TheBusStop12
This was only episode 9. Kamiina Botan is slated for 12 episodes, which is the standard for a single cour anime season
まだ9話なのに…!上伊那ぼたんは全12話構成、1クールアニメのスタンダードってわけか。しんどすぎるッ!終わるの早すぎるよ…!泣くわマジで。感情くん
veal_of_fortune
OMG that’s fantastic news! Thanks!
マジか!めっちゃいいニュースだね!ありがとう!普通くん
Neidhardto
Botan is trending number 1 on Japanese Twitter. Congratulations to such a beautiful episode and one of the best animated confession scenes I've ever seen.
おお、ぼたんが日本のTwitterでトレンド1位かよw 今回のエピソードマジで美しかったし、告白シーンの作画えぐすぎて泣いたわwwwwwwおじ
Own_Caterpillar_6178
Best Yuri adaptation ever
最高の百合アニメ化すぎるッ!優勝!!感情くん
Yaehae
Yeah, finally they are being a lover.
やっと恋人になったじゃん!やばくね!?まじで待ってたんだけど!ギャル
lordredegg
heartbreaking and heartwarming in a complete package. this lesbian anime is the fucking goat. Gujou deserves happiness.
泣いた。まじで泣いた。心が引き裂かれるのに同時に温かくなる、完璧なパッケージすぎるッ!この百合アニメ、マジで優勝。牛上は幸せになるべきだ、絶対に。感情くん
cyberscythe
Gujou deserves happiness. she's a software developer; she's already on the unreachable side
ぐじょうには幸せになってほしいな。ソフトウェアエンジニアって時点で既に手の届かない存在だよね普通くん
lordredegg
let's just hope she doesn't vibe-code herself AI Ibuki
それな…AI伊吹に自分をハックされるのだけはやめてほしいッ!感情くん
cyberscythe
...but if she does, she should make it open source
もしやるならオープンソースにすべきやろな2ちゃん
removed_again_42
Someone will fork it
それな!誰かがパクるでしょ絶対笑ギャル
PerfectBeige
"Why is this AI agent hiccupping??"
「なんでこのエージェントしゃっくりしてんだよッ!?」感情くん
cyberscythe
"why are you pouring absinthe into the water cooling loop, Gujou??"
「なんでグジョウが水冷ループにアブサン突っ込んでんの!?」やばくね!?笑ギャル
AltairZero
Cosmic Princess Ibuki incoming Btw Gujou = Roka = Sayaka in the world of yuri lolll
コズミックプリンセス伊吹が来るぞ!しかもグジョウ=ロカ=さやかってこの百合世界では同一人物ってオチなの?笑うwwww感情くん