放送 2026-06-12更新 2026-07-05
WalkingAbacus
Looks like we're going to get the Chin-Lan-chan and Gujou pairing. Cool. We also get a special ED this episode. That section after the ED is cute. I love the reveal of ibuki not actually being there lol.
チン・ランちゃんとグジョウのペアが来そうだね。いいじゃん。今回の話では特別なEDもあったし。ED後のあのシーンかわいかったわ。伊吹が実はそこにいなかったっていうオチ、めっちゃ好き笑普通くん
Lodju
I love the reveal of ibuki not actually being there lol. I was wondering why we were getting her POV the whole time and then laughed when it turned out to be like that.
いぶき実はいなかったの草www ずっと彼女の視点で進んでたからなんでやと思ってたらああいうオチかよワロタwww ガチで笑ったわwww2ちゃん
steeltrain43
I should have figured it out when I noticed the camera go out of focus for the close up on the bottle, but attributed it to creative directing
まあ、瓶のアップでカメラがピンボケした時点で気づくべきだったな。でも演出だと思ってたよ。ドライおじ
verdare
They dropped a lot of hints: - low-angle, static shot - weird framing, with the camera looking at the couch diagonally, instead of head-on - emulating a wide-angle lens, and drawing attention to it by bringing the bottle close to and away from the camera - Ibuki’s voice being slightly high-pass filtered to sound like it’s coming from small speakers Those are just the ones I noticed…
ヒントめっちゃ仕込んでたやん:
- 低アングルの定点カット
- ソファを正面じゃなく斜めから捉える変な構図
- 広角レンズ風にして、瓶をカメラに近づけたり離したりして強調
- いぶきの声にハイパスフィルターかけて、小さなスピーカーから聞こえてる感じに
ワイが気づいただけでもこれだけあるンゴwww2ちゃん
Kirov123
That's true, I had noticed the shot being awful static and kinds wondered why Ibuki wasn't getting a glass or any of her ice but the camera struggling to focus was a great touch I missed. The way Akane held the bottle up to close to focus or show the whole quote is also pretty on point to how people show things to cameras
確かに…あの静止画はまるで運命の歯車が一瞬止まったかのような不気味さがあったのだ。伊吹がグラスや氷に手を伸ばさぬ理由、我も微かに感じ取っていたが、カメラが焦点を彷徨う演出こそ見逃していた深淵の一片よ。茜が瓶を掲げる仕草も、凡人が真理を写し取ろうとする哀れなまでの無様さを体現しておる…まさに宿命の一瞬を切り取ったかのようだ。中二病
NanDemoKnaives
I think the ED this time was the song Yaeka and Akane were singing together.
今回のED、やえかとあかねが一緒に歌ってた曲やったんやな。せやで、あの2人のハモリが草生えたわwww2ちゃん
080087
Yep. The first words of the ED were the name of the song
確かに。EDの最初の歌詞がそのまま曲名になってたんだね普通くん
MegaAltarianite
Oh, I expected it to be another Yonige song.
ふむ、てっきりまたヨナゲの曲かと思い込んでおったわ。武士
Niwaka_Samurai
'Akaneiro No Yuuhi' by Fujifabric. This is the original song.
「『茜色の夕陽』by Fujifabric。これが原曲だよッ!」感情くん
mekerpan
Strictly speaking, this show is sort of actually two of my top shows of this season -- the main episodes show is one, and the series of mini-episodes masqueradiing as EDs is another. The epilogue here was a hoot.
厳密に言うと、この作品は今期のトップ2に入る感じだね。本編が1つで、EDとして流れるミニエピソード集がもう1つ。今回のエピローグはめっちゃ面白かったわ。普通くん
RobrechtvE
Looks like we're going to get the Chin-Lan-chan and Gujou pairing. Cool. "Won't you come out to sea with me?" is the perfect question for a ship to set sail to.
おっ、ちんらんちゃん×グジョウの組み合わせ来るのか!やったー!「一緒に海に出ない?」って台詞、船出にぴったりすぎるッ!エモい!感情くん
Aidssdia1
Chin-lan using the power of creative writing to heal Gujou's broken heart
確かに、創作の力で心の傷を癒やすって素敵な展開だよね普通くん
Own_Caterpillar_6178
This show is so creative in its confessions - "Come out to sea with me", "Let's not be friends any longer".
このアニメの告白シーン、どれも個性的すぎるだろw 「一緒に海に出よう」とか「もう友達じゃいられない」とかさ、まじ創作力やばいわ笑wwwおじ
Hitman7128
During the ED, when that kid gave Akane and Yaeka the lollipop, Yaeka tied the twist tie in the shape of a heart when giving half of it to Akane
EDのとこでさ、あの子が茜と八重花にペロペロキャンディあげたシーン、八重花が折り曲げたアレをハートの形にして茜に渡したんだよ!やばくね!?まじで萌え死んだんだけど笑ギャル
Jauretche
I was worried it would feel a bit "reboundy", but Chin Lan is so classy.
心配してたけど、ちんらんってすごく上品だね。普通くん
Niwaka_Samurai
I love the reveal of ibuki not actually being there lol. True.. that surprised me 😄
やばくね!?実は伊吹いなかったってオチまじで笑ったわ笑 確かにあれはマジでビビった〜😄ギャル
MeatballZeitgeist
"Do you have anyone you like, Chin-lan?" "Well, there's only one unclaimed pair of lips in our dorm currently and I'm looking right at them, so..."
「誰か好きな人いるの、ちんらん?」「うーん、今うちの寮で誰のものでもない唇は一つだけあって、そのまさにそれを見つめてるんだけどね…」普通くん
cyberscythe
"wow, amazing, anyways i wanted to vent about Ibuki again for another hour"
ふっ…この驚異的な力を目の当たりにしながらも、我が心は再び伊吹への熱き想いを語る運命に導かれるのだ。もう一時間、その叡智を捧げる覚悟はできているぞ。中二病
BosuW
"No, senpai... The tides don't wait."
「違うんだよ先輩…潮の流れは待ってくれないんだよw」wwwおじ
cyberscythe
"you know who also doesn't wait? Ibuki "
そういえば伊吹も待たないタイプだよね普通くん
ClemFire
With how causally Chin-lan confessed made it feel very university vibe.
チンランの告白があまりにもサラッとしてて、大学の空気感がすごい出てたッ!エモすぎる!感情くん
BosuW
It's the power of Taiwan
台湾の力やんけwww2ちゃん
SaltAndABattery
Sasuga Taiwan era
さすが台湾時代すぎるッ!感情くん
Blasterion
after all she learned from the best 😆
やっぱあの人の影響だよね!最高すぎじゃん😆ギャル
TheBusStop12
That's something Botan would say. That's something Botan has basically said, just paraphrased
それぼたんが言いそうなセリフだね。というか、実際にぼたんが言ってた内容を言い換えただけじゃん。普通くん
rubslotiononitsskin
Chin-lan is gonna make Gujo's tongue hers.
千蘭が五条の舌を自分のものにするつもりやなwww2ちゃん
eightcheesepizza
原文
The dialogue and pacing and blocking feels so artsy today. It's only natural that Gujo and Chin-Lan should be talking about their favorite movies. But I'm so uncultured, I think the only movie reference I got was Reservoir Dogs. We got the ouzo effect illustrated this time! The absinthe was clear when they first started drinking it, but it turned cloudy as the ice melted and the water diluted the alcohol. Maybe this also served as symbolism for Gujo going from excitedly talking about movies to getting trapped in her turmoil again. Everyone got to be cute in the post-ED scene, but Chin-Lan opening the bag of ice was especially cute. I didn't figure out Ibuki was on a call, I was worried that she was like injured and immobile for some reason.
今日の会話とテンポ、ブロッキング、めっちゃアーティスティックだったね。九条とちんらんが好きな映画の話をするのは当然のことだけど、俺は教養がなさすぎて、映画の引用で分かったのは『レザボア・ドッグス』だけだったよ。今回はウーゾ効果が描かれてた!最初に飲み始めたときは透明だったアブサンが、氷が溶けて水で薄まるにつれて濁っていったんだ。これは、九条が楽しそうに映画を語ってたのに、また自分の悩みに囚われていく象徴かもしれないな。ED後のシーンではみんな可愛かったけど、ちんらんが氷の袋を開けるところが特に可愛かった。伊吹が電話してたのに気づかなくて、怪我とかで動けなくなってるんじゃないかと心配しちゃったよ。普通くん
cyberscythe
原文
We got the ouzo effect illustrated this time! ... Maybe this also served as symbolism for Gujo going from excitedly talking about movies to getting trapped in her turmoil again. yeah, i like the cloudiness of the absinthe being a visual metaphor for her state of mind; the absinthe started out clear (just like the genuine fun she was having talking about movies), but as time passed it started clouding over like the storm clouds Chin-lan was talking about Gujou is still harboring feeling for Ibuki, but perhaps she also has the fear of falling in love with another person because of how in her past she gets only the bitter part of the bittersweet whenever she lets herself get attached
今回はウーゾ効果が演出されてたな。…これは、グジョーが映画の話で盛り上がってた状態から、再び自分の葛藤に囚われる様子の象徴とも解釈できる。アブサンの濁りが彼女の心情の視覚的メタファーになってるのが良いと思う。最初は澄んでいたアブサン(映画を語る純粋な楽しさ)が、時が経つにつれて濁っていく様子は、チンランが言及した嵐の雲を連想させる。グジョーはイブキへの未練を抱えつつも、過去に執着したことで苦さだけを味わってきた経験から、新たな恋に落ちることへの恐怖も秘めているのではないか。考察くん
ClemFire
The cloudiness reminds me of how Gujo was doubting herself over the art which I feel like we are meant to connect with how she thinks about romance too. It contrasts with how Ibuki was simply able to look at the art and enjoy it.
曇りの表現が、五条が芸術に対して自分を疑ってた場面を思い出させるね。恋愛についての考え方にも繋がるんだろうな。一方で伊吹はただアートを見て純粋に楽しめてるのが対照的だった。普通くん
BosuW
Also, maybe a stretch, but could the ice ball be a stand in for the Moon?
なるほど、氷の球を月に見立てるとは……確かに一理あるでござる。某もその解釈、面白いと思うて候。武士
ClemFire
Oh I like that idea! Like Chin-lan feels if she doesn't reach out to Gujo now she'll return to the Moon
それいいね!秦蘭が今すぐに求女に手を差し伸べなきゃ月に帰っちゃうって感じるの、わかるなあ。普通くん
BosuW
Return to the Moon and then the Moon gone behind clouds
月に戻ってきたと思ったら、雲に隠れちゃった…しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
heimdal77
The dialogue and pacing and blocking feels so artsy today. It's only natural that Gujo and Chin-Lan should be talking about their favorite movies. But I'm so uncultured, I think the only movie reference I got was Reservoir Dogs It hurt listening to them listing all these "classics" that cam out when I was like in my 20s....
今日の会話とテンポとブロッキング、ガチでアーティスティックすぎやろ。グジョウとチンランが好きな映画語り合うのは当然やけど、ワイ無教養すぎて『レザボア・ドッグス』しかわからんかったわ… 自分が20代の頃に出た「名作」連発されると聞いてて辛かったンゴwww2ちゃん
ThrowCarp
I didn't figure out Ibuki was on a call, I was worried that she was like injured and immobile for some reason. She sat in the cuck chair tablet while everyone else drank the alcohol.
えっマジ!?伊吹が電話してたって気づかなかったわ!てか怪我とかで動けないのかと思ってマジ心配したんだけど笑 みんな酒飲んでるのに彼女だけタブレット持って座ってるのやばくね?ギャル
Primary-Paint-1716
i love lesbians.
まあ、レズビアンは良いもんだな。ドライおじ
cyberscythe
i love lesbians. when i see them confess, i think to myself "yes" when i see them forlornly pining with unrequited love, i think to myself "no"
え、まじでそれ!笑 百合カプの告白シーン見ると「よし!」ってなるし、片思いで切なくなると「ダメだろ!」ってなるじゃん!完全に同意〜!ギャル
TheBusStop12
Happy pride!
ハッピープライド!普通くん
ThrowCarp
They're so cute. wtf, why can't IRL engineering school look like this??????
可愛すぎるッ!なんで現実の工学部はこんな感じじゃないんだよォ!!??感情くん
cornonthekopp
I went to a college where the largest department was engineering by a pretty big margin, and was also active in the lgbt student union on campus. The least realistic part of kamiina botan is that irl all six of them would have been fucking and having messy breakups from the start lmao
興味深い視点だな。工学部が多数派のキャンパスだと確かに人間関係が複雑になりがちというのは理解できる。ただ本作はあえて恋愛関係を描かず、純粋な友情と百合的な距離感を重視していると考察できる。現実なら確かにドロドロした展開もあり得たが、制作陣はあえて「酔う姿」という非日常的な瞬間に焦点を当て、キャラ間の緊張感を昇華させているんだろうな。考察くん
Weak_Season_Of_Anime
原文
Ouch, the museum segment was tough to watch, especially after this week's episode of that other gay anime. You can pinpoint the exact moment Gujou's heart breaks in two. This part had some great visual imagery, like Gujou staring at the painting of two lesbian lovers holding hands, while holding her own hands. Also, Gujou looking at this orange art telling Chin-Lan "I don't get it" and again later on when she's engulfed in sadness, which is a callback to Ep 5 where Gujou is rejected in the orange lily flower field . And Botan + Ibuki who have started dating, standing in front of a star painting with the lesbian colors (star motif is the symbol of Botan and Ibuki). "Do you have someone you like?" "Yeah, I like you". Lol! Chin-Lan saw an opportunity and she just went for it. I like how there's two parts to the confession. First part was very direct and in line with Chin-Lan's personality. And then the second part where she reassures Gujou with "Won't you come out to sea with me?", which was very indirect and poetic, fitting for these two literature nerds. The associated imagery for this scene is the full moon Tsuki ga kirei desu ne , where the moon behind clouds (Gujou behind smoke?) gets revealed, and also the round ice starting to melt signifying a change in Gujou and Chin-Lan's relationship. The eyecatches are beautiful as always, I think this is the first time we've had two characters in one? Gujou and Chin-Lan looking and reaching out to each other seems like an opposite to Akane and Yaeka with their melancholic expressions and facing in opposite directions , seems kinda ominous. Yaeka is such a tsundere. Despite how much she complains about Akane, you can tell she loves her deeply. The way her expression changed when she heard Akane singing their special song was nice. Also drunk Botan asking Yaeka out made me laugh, some habits never change. Cute ED, thought it would've been Akane and Yaeka singing it. Looked up the lyrics and its a bit sad too. Incoming trouble? Post-credits scene, everyone drinking an alcohol named One Hundred Years of Solitude to celebrate Ibuki getting banished lol.
博物館パートはマジで胸クソ悪かったわ、今週の別の百合アニメと合わせてダブルパンチや。紅緒の心がバキバキに割れる瞬間がガチで分かる。二人のレズ恋人同士が手を繋いでる絵を見ながら自分で手を組む紅緒のカットとか、めっちゃ映像表現ええな。
「分かんない」って言った後にまた悲しみに飲まれるオレンジの美術品のシーンは、5話の百合の花畑で振られた場面のオマージュやろ。星の絵の前でデート始めたぼたん×いぶきのカップル、レズカラーやし。星モチーフはこの二人のシンボルやしな。
「好きな人いるの?」「うん、君だよ」ってチンラン直球すぎて草。告白が二段構成になってて、最初はチンランらしくストレート、次に「一緒に海に出ませんか?」って詩的な間接表現。満月と雲の演出(紅緒=煙?)や溶け出す氷で二人の関係性の変化を描くのが文学少女カップルらしいわ。
アイキャッチ初の二人同時やな。紅緒とチンランが互いに手を伸ばす構図は、哀愁漂う明香×八重花の背中合わせと対照的で不穏。八重花はツンデレすぎる、あれだけ愚痴ってるのに明香が歌った瞬間の表情の変化が良かった。酔ったぼたんが八重花をナンパするのは草、習慣って変えられへんもんやな2ちゃん
extralie
everyone drinking an alcohol named One Hundred Years of Solitude to celebrate Ibuki getting banished lol. Can't believe they sent Ibuki to the shadow realm for the crime of being too gay. smh my head
やばくね!?イブキが追放されたのを祝って「百年の孤独」って酒飲んでるのみんな草w ギャルすぎるって理由でイブキを異次元送りにするとかマジでありえなくない?笑ギャル
BosuW
If Ibuki was punished for being too gay then why tf is Botan free?
伊吹が百合すぎて罰せられたなら、なんでぼたんは自由なんだよマジで普通くん
extralie
Her gay power level is too strong, they couldn't contain her.
彼女のレズパワー強すぎじゃん!もう誰にも止めらんないってば笑ギャル
BosuW
Finally Gay privilege
ついにゲイ特権かよ普通くん
anticomet
I think i listened to an SCP podcast about her once
え、まじで!?それ聞いたことあるかも!SCPのポッドキャストで彼女の話とか出てきたんだ〜やばくね!?ギャル
Master_Assistant_892
Pink power
ピンクの力がすごいね普通くん
ClemFire
Since Ibuki was the only one not in the dorm does this make her the most gay
確かに!伊吹だけ寮にいなかったってことは、彼女が一番レズってことじゃん!やばくね!?笑ギャル
georgeoswalddannyson
I think Yaeka wasn't there either
確かに、やえかも来てなかったよね…しんどい感情くん
mekerpan
I love how Botan texted Akane telling her to play THAT song for Yaeka, RIGHT NOW. And Yaeka promptly did so.
ぼたんがあかねに「その曲をすぐ八重花に流して」ってメッセージ送って、八重花が即座にそれに従ったのがめっちゃ好き。普通くん
Tama47_
Gigachad move by Botan
ボタンまじでギャル男すぎるじゃん!やばくね!?笑ギャル
mekerpan
Not sure why so many folks here dismiss Botan (the series) because Botan is so "bland and boring".
「ボタンが地味で退屈」って理由でこの作品を切る人が多いみたいだけど、俺にはよくわかんないな。普通くん
BosuW
原文
Ouch, the museum segment was tough to watch, especially after this week's episode of that other gay anime. You can pinpoint the exact moment Gujou's heart breaks in two. This part had some great visual imagery, like Gujou staring at the painting of two lesbian lovers holding hands, while holding her own hands. Also, Gujou looking at this orange art telling Chin-Lan "I don't get it" and again later on when she's engulfed in sadness, which is a callback to Ep 5 where Gujou is rejected in the orange lily flower field. And Botan + Ibuki who have started dating, standing in front of a star painting with the lesbian colors (star motif is the symbol of Botan and Ibuki). The final shot of Gujo saying "I don't get it" while metaphorically engulfed in flames hit hard like a sledgehammer. Sometimes you don't have to get it sometimes it simply is. And then the second part where she reassures Gujou with "Won't you come out to sea with me?", which was very indirect and poetic, fitting for these two literature nerds. The associated imagery for this scene is the full moon Tsuki ga kirei desu ne , where the moon behind clouds (Gujou behind smoke?) gets revealed, and also the round ice starting to melt signifying a change in Gujou and Chin-Lan's relationship. It also pairs with Ibuki and Botan's imagery of walking out into the water when they commit. I wonder if that's intentional. Will Yaeka and Akane get something similar?
博物館パートはマジで見てて辛かったわ、特に今週のあの百合アニメの後だとな
・グージョウの心がバキバキに割れる瞬間が分かりすぎる
・百合カップルの手を繋ぐ絵を見ながら自分の手を見つめるグージョウ、映像表現がエグい
・「分かんない」って言うグージョウ、オレンジの絵の前と炎に飲まれるラストで2回も使うんか…ep5のオレンジ百合畑の伏線回収やん
・星の絵の前のボタン&イブキ、レズビアンフラグの星モチーフで草
・「分かんない」の炎メタファー、ハンマーで頭殴られた気分や
・分かろうとしなくていい時もあるんやな
・「一緒に海に出ない?」の間接的で詩的な台詞、文学バカ2人にぴったりや
・月が雲から出てくる描写(グージョウ=煙?)と、溶け始める丸い氷=関係性の変化を示唆
・イブキ&ボタンが海に入るシーンと対になってるの芸術点高いわ
・これは意図的やろな…八重花とアカネにも同じ演出くるんか?2ちゃん
080087
The final shot of Gujo saying "I don't get it" while metaphorically engulfed in flames hit hard like a sledgehammer. The flames definitely make more sense. But I saw a rain of blood lol
最後のグンジョウが「わかんねぇ」って言いながら炎に包まれてるカット、めちゃくちゃ重かったな。炎の方が確かに意味わかるよ。でも俺は血の雨が見えたんだけど笑普通くん
logawnio
It is also the same color as the orange flowers she got dumped in a few episodes back.
確かに!数話前のオレンジの花と同じ色ってのエモすぎるッ!しかもあの花で振られてたし…しんどい…感情くん
Slifer13xx
"Akane, play raining blood"
「茜、raining blood流して」普通くん
verstrikt
well, yaeka and akane seem to be already established since the beginning of the show 😆
確かに!やえかとあかね、最初からもう出来上がってる感じがすごいww感情くん
TheBusStop12
The artistic details and symbolisms in this show and how they are used to say things that are left unsaid is so damn good
このアニメの美術的な細部や象徴表現が、言葉にできないことを伝える手法としてガチで秀逸すぎるやろwww2ちゃん
heimdal77
Other gay show? My head's been full of what has been going on in Akebi's Sailor Uniform manga lately so blanking some stuff out.
他の百合アニメ?最近あけびのセーラー服の漫画の展開で頭がいっぱいで他が飛んじゃってるんだよね。普通くん
McRaylie
I think they’re referring to Ganbare! Nakamura-kun. So BL gay
「頑張れ!中村くん」のこと言ってるのかな?BLゲイって感じだね。感情くん
ThrowCarp
Also, Gujou looking at this orange art telling Chin-Lan "I don't get it" Okay, but it's not a surprise that engineering majors went to an art museum and reacted with "I don't get it".
確かに、グージョウがそのオレンジのアート見て「わかんない」って言ってるの笑った。でも理系が美術館行って「わかんない」ってなるのは想定内だよね。普通くん
Lanfeld
tbf while she is an engineering major, she seems to be quite the cinephile so it wouldn't be weird to think she has some sort of affinity with art in general. Unfortunately for Gujou, painting as an art form is pretty different from movies.
せやな、彼女は工学専攻やけど、映画好きっぽいからアート全般に興味あるってのはわかるンゴね。でも牛上にとっては、絵画って映画とはまた別物やろな。草2ちゃん
theytookallusernames
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Less banishment, more firing squad lol. Might be overthinking this but the first sentence of the book did say: “ Many years later, as he faced the firing squad, Colonel Aureliano Buendía was to remember that distant afternoon when his father took him to discover ice ” Probably one of the more famous openings in literature. God it was such an excellent book, I’d probably rank it in my top three, if not the first.
「追放じゃなくて銃殺隊でよくね?って思っちゃうけど、考えすぎかも。でも原作の冒頭、『多年後、銃殺隊の前に立つとき、アウレリャノ・ブエンディア大佐は、父が自分を連れて氷を発見させたあの遠い午後を思い出すだろう』って一文がまさにそれだよな。文学史上でも有名な冒頭のひとつだ。本当に素晴らしい作品で、トップ3どころか1位に挙げてもいいくらいだと思う。」考察くん
Own_Caterpillar_6178
Botan sneakily telling Akane to sing their special song was incredibly touching
ぼたんが茜に「あの曲」を歌うようこっそり頼んだシーン、めっちゃ感動したわ普通くん
AUAAUH
Man these episodes really do just fly by. That did not feel like 24 minutes.
わかる!このアニメ時間経つの早すぎるッ!24分に感じないよマジで!感情くん
ClemFire
They really do suck you in with the slice of life romance vibes and couldn't believe the ED was playing but there was quite the long after credit scene
確かにスライス・オブ・ライフ系の恋愛もので引き込まれて、EDが流れてるのに気づかなかったわ。でも結構長いアフタークレジットシーンがあったんだよね普通くん
Yaehae
Yeah, it's rare for me to have this feeling in slice of life anime.
マジでわかる!日常系アニメでこんな気持ちになるのって珍しくない?なんかやばくね!?ギャル
ThrowCarp
It went by so fast!
あっという間だったね!普通くん
jinddle
I always get bummed whenever i don't get some of these references from the Movie talk Gujou and Chin-Lan had to the Music talk with Akane. Im such a casual 🤣
映画の話でグジョウとチンランが言ってたネタとか、茜との音楽トークとか、分からんと毎回凹むンゴ…ワイがただのにわか過ぎて草🤣2ちゃん
Ocixo
Kanade and Chin-lan are hella cultured. With the exception of Van Gogh, the entire time I was thinking to myself: who/what are they talking about?
奏音とチン・ラン、めっちゃ教養あるな。ゴッホ以外は「何の話してるんだ?」ってずっと思ってたわ。普通くん
TheBusStop12
And even with her van Gogh talk, I'm ashamed to admit as a Dutchman that she seems to know more about him than me (I didn't know he loved absinth, tho I can see it) and then acts as if that's all common knowledge
草www オランダ人のワイが言うのもアレやけど、ゴッホの話になるとあの子の方が詳しそうで草生えるわ(ワイ知らんかったわ、アブサン好きって言うのも納得やけどな)。しかも「そんなん常識やろ?」みたいな顔してるしガチで草2ちゃん
SgtExo
Well they are in their college years trying to act all grown up and try tons of things. So its peak being pretentious and trying to know the most obscure things. But seeing as there are so many subjects that can apply too, its kinda hard to know them all, even if you did go through that phase.
確かに大学生って色々知ったかぶりしたくなる時期だよね。知識自慢したくなる気持ちは分かるけど、対象が多すぎて全部は無理だな。普通くん
itsadoubledion
Or those are just their interests lol art/film and drinking. They openly admit they don't understand a lot of the art pieces and only Akane knows what she's talking about with music. I'm sure many people here have a similarly encyclopedic knowledge of video game or anime quotes or knowledge of whatever they're into
考察すると、彼女たちの趣味は単に「アート/映画と飲酒」というだけの話かもしれないな。彼女たち自身が「芸術作品はよく分からない」と認めているし、音楽に関して語れるのはアカネだけだ。多くの人にも、自分がハマっている分野について同様に広範な知識があるだろう——例えばゲームやアニメの名言を諳んじるように。考察くん
gnome-cop
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Chin-Lan and Kanade are movie/literature buffs and can talk about that for hours. They drop one reference to Akane and she’s like “What?” Instantly reversed with Akane’s encyclopedic music knowledge allowing her to instantly recognize the quote while they’re just “Who?” Ibuki can tell you every detail about that alcohol, who made it, how it’s made, why it’s special, everything while the others can’t even settle on what kind it is. They’ve all got one specific thing they’re incredibly knowledgeable about while not knowing any more than the average person about other topics.
陳蘭と奏は映画や文学に詳しくて、それについて何時間でも語り合えるんだ。でも茜が一つ引用を出すと「え?」ってなる。逆に茜の膨大な音楽知識で瞬時にその引用を認識すると、今度は二人が「誰?」って顔に。伊吹はその酒について、誰が作ったか、製法、特別な理由まで全部説明できるのに、他のメンバーは種類すら確定できない。それぞれが一つの分野だけめちゃくちゃ詳しくて、他の話題は普通の人と変わらないんだよね。普通くん
heimdal77
Think of all the research the author is putting in.
作者のリサーチ量やばくね!?まじで尊敬するわ〜ギャル
BosuW
Hey at least I got Reservoir Dogs !
少なくとも『レザボア・ドッグス』は観れたからセーフだね。普通くん
cyberscythe
i don't think i can name a single Nobel Prize winning movie
え?ノーベル賞獲った映画って一つも思いつかないんだけど…マジで無理すぎるッ!感情くん
ClemFire
Surely the Emoji movie must be one
え?エモジ・ムービーってマジで言ってるの?あれは確かにひどい映画だと思うけどな普通くん
cyberscythe
yeah, that was written by Murakami Haruki right?
それな!村上春樹が書いたやつじゃん!やばくね?ギャル
ClemFire
Has to be
それな普通くん
TheBusStop12
The only nobel prize of literature winner I know of the top of my head is Bob Dylan, because it was in the news because he was a song writer, not an author
まじでそれ!笑 私がパッと思い浮かぶ文学賞受賞者ってボブ・ディランだけじゃん!だって歌手なのに受賞ってニュースになってたし、普通の作家じゃないって話題になったんだよね〜ギャル
Lepony
OTOH, I'm actually surprised Chinlan knows plenty. The literature laureates are so heavily biased in the anglo-eurosphere, with something like four native/"mainland" asian members in its entire history last I checked. I imagine they'd be pretty difficult to source in Taiwan based on that alone.
せやな、でもチンランがめっちゃ知ってるのはワイもビビったわ。ノーベル文学賞って英米欧圏にめっちゃ偏ってて、アジア本土出身者なんて歴代で4人くらいしかおらんやん。それだけで台湾で探すのクソ難しいやろなって思うわ。2ちゃん
IPman0128
I'm also surprise she knows the Japanese translation / transliteration of all the names when talking with Gujo-senpai, given that she probably learned about the with the Chinese version back when she was in Taiwan. Although it's possible to attribute this to creative license of the anime
確かに、台湾にいた頃に中国語版で覚えたはずなのに、五条先輩と話す時に全員の名前を日本語読みで言えてるのは不思議だよね。アニメの演出ってことで納得するしかないか。普通くん
Genoscythe_
Sure, but if you are into literature, you probably ARE familiar with the western ones as well. Very few people are deeply into literature but exclusively of their homeland, oblivious to world classics. The joke was that Akane is a philistine who only knows one famous Japanese literary writer who is locally famous for being Japanese (and isn't even a nobel laureate).
確かに言えてるンゴね。でも文学好きなら洋物も知ってるやろ普通。自国文学しか知らん奴なんておらんしな。このジョークは「茜が教養なくて、日本人だから有名ってだけでノーベル賞すら取ってない作家しか知らん」ってことやろ。草2ちゃん
Lepony
原文
Kinda? Maybe? I love reading, and I do love the classics, but I can only really name like five laureates and one of them is because of high school required reading. I'm much more likely to grab whatever's on the shelf or check out renowned classics than to look up the nobel prize author list and track down their bibliography. It's just a lot faster that way, and the book clubs I've been a part of have have mostly been of the same mind. Compare to Taiwan which only very recently caught up to modern standards, and had to do it very fast, and much of its land is still heavily segregated by terrain that you need to cross via helicopter/ferry/foot. Then additionally, it borrows much of its culture from China, which has a significantly wider and richer literature history than most of the world alongside a significantly lower language barrier without having to worry about poor translation quality.
この意見、興味深い考察だな。ノーベル賞作家の作品を積極的に読む層と、単に棚にあるものや定番古典を手に取る層では、読書へのアプローチが根本的に異なるという点が指摘されている。後者の方が時間効率が良く、多くの読書会でもその傾向が共有されているというのも納得できる。
一方で台湾の状況を比較すると、近代化が急速に進んだ経緯と、地形による地域分断(ヘリ・フェリー・徒歩での移動が必要)が文化の均一化を妨げてきた可能性が示唆される。さらに中国からの文化的影響が強く、翻訳品質の問題を気にせずに広範で豊かな文学史にアクセスできるという点も、読書環境の差として重要だ。
この観点からすると、台湾の読書文化は「物理的・歴史的な制約」と「言語的・文化的な近接性」という二つのベクトルが交錯する特殊な状況にあると言える。単純に「どちらが優れている」ではなく、それぞれの社会構造が読書行動に与える影響を考慮する必要があるな。考察くん
080087
原文
Looking through the list, probably the best bet for a normie to guess one is to name famous poets - both Kipling, Hemingway are on it. Other notable people. Churchill. But i guess that makes sense, what with speeches around WW2. Also unexpected Bertrand Russell. Knew him for his work on math, didn't expect to see him for literature. And Jean-Paul Sartre. Wrote plays, but most known for the quote "Hell is other people"
リスト見てみると、普通の人が当てるなら有名な詩人を挙げるのが一番だね。キップリングもヘミングウェイも載ってる。他にはチャーチルとか。第二次世界大戦の演説考えれば納得だけど。あとバートランド・ラッセルは意外だった。数学の業績で知ってたけど、文学で出るとは思わなかった。ジャン=ポール・サルトルは戯曲書いてるけど、大抵は「地獄とは他人だ」って名言で有名だよね。普通くん
Genoscythe_
And Jean-Paul Sartre. Wrote plays, but most known for the quote "Hell is other people" If we go by reddit-famous quote makers, one might also recognize Albert Camus of "One must imagine Sisyphus happy" fame .
サルトルか。演劇も書いてたけど「地獄とは他人だ」って名言で有名やな。レディットでよく引用される奴なら、カミュの「シーシュポスは幸福だと想像せねばならない」もセットやろ。草2ちゃん
Dialgak77
i don't get some of these references from the Movie talk Gujou and Chin-Lan Imagine my face when she named The Legend of 1900, a relatively unknown movie that also happens to be my favourite.
『The Legend of 1900』って名前出てきてびっくりしたわ。あんまり知られてない映画なのに、しかも俺の一番好きな作品なんだよな。普通くん
TheBusStop12
原文
I found Gujo talking about her inability to understand art without relying on the opinions of others as a support mechanism, but really a defense mechanism because she despairs not being able to get it as a stand in for understanding love to be very interesting I also love that the show doesn't immediately outright confirm or deny whether Ibuki and Botan are in a relationship, because in practice nothing really changes about their behaviour. They already acted like a couple. It really reminds me of Pseudo Harem in that aspect, which pulled a lot of similar narrative choices when it came to the confession and whether or not they were dating Chin-Lan telling Gujo that she can wait, as long as she needs it is another great example of this show using stand ins for what's really going on. On the surface the conversation was about the next round of alcohol, but in actuality it was about Chin-Lan wanting a relationship with Gujo. And then Gujo out of left field cuts through these double meanings and brings up relationships, and Chin Lan responds in kind. I did not see that coming. That entire conversation between Gujo and Chin-Lan was masterfully done. I could probably write an essay about it. It makes it very clear that Chin-Lan likes Gujo, and Gujo also has budding feelings for Chin-Lan, but is still troubled by her unrequited love for Ibuki and not yet ready to move on to a new relationship. And this is shown not only through words, but also body language, facial expressions and symbolism in the environment (someone else mentioned the ouzo effect symbolizing Gujos mental state clouding over) This episode was absolutely stunning in tone. I absolutely loved Akane and Yaeko singing together The after credits scene was really cute and interestingly made
郡上が「他人の意見に頼らなければ芸術を理解できない」と語る場面は、単なる支えの仕組みではなく、理解できない自分への絶望から来る防衛機制だと考察できる。それを恋愛の理解に置き換えた解釈が非常に興味深い。また、この作品が伊吹とぼたんの関係を明言しないのも秀逸だ。なぜなら実質的に彼女たちの行動は何も変わらず、すでにカップル然としているからだ。この点は『疑似ハーレム』の告白や交際の扱い方と類似していると言える。
陳蘭が郡上に「待てるよ、必要なだけ」と言うシーンも、現実の代弁として素晴らしい。表面上は次の酒の話だが、実際は陳蘭が郡上との関係を望んでいることを示唆している。そして郡上が突然その二重の意味を打ち破って恋愛を持ち出し、陳蘭がそれに応える展開は全く予想外だった。あの会話全体は見事で、エッセイが書けそうだ。陳蘭が郡上に好意を持ち、郡上も陳蘭に芽生えつつある感情を抱きつつ、伊吹への片思いに悩み新たな関係に踏み出せないことが、台詞だけでなく、ボディランゲージや表情、環境の象徴性(ウーゾ効果で郡上の精神状態の曇りを表現したという指摘もあった)を通じて描かれている。このエピソードのトーンは圧倒的だった。茜と八重子のデュエットも最高で、エンドカード後のシーンは可愛く、かつ興味深い考察くん
mekerpan
>> This episode was absolutely stunning in tone. I absolutely loved Akane and Yaeko singing together Pretty much a perfect episode, from sttart to finish. This series could easily pull out of a tie for most loved new show and walk away as my solo top one (albeit with some others close behind). Sharing a cup there at the end might signify a bit of movement in the Gujo/Chin Lan relationship.
このエピソード、雰囲気がめちゃくちゃ良かったな。アカネとヤエコのデュエットが最高で、最初から最後まで完璧だったわ。このシリーズ、今期イチの新作候補の中でも頭一つ抜けてて、個人的には単独トップに躍り出そうとしてる(他にもいいのはあるけどね)。最後の杯の共有は、GujoとChin Lanの関係にちょっと進展があるって暗示してるのかな。普通くん
markDonanhattam
The cup thing at the end gets even more interesting when you notice it's Gujou asking to share the cup. The normally uptight Gujou is developing a more relaxed side that shows up only for Chin-Lan.
最後の盃のシーンがさらに面白くなるのは、呉嬢の方から盃を共有しようとしてるって気づいた時だよね。普段は堅苦しい呉嬢が、沈蘭にだけ見せるリラックスした一面を育んでるのがエモすぎるッ!感情くん
cornonthekopp
even Akane kinda side eyed the two of them when that happened lol
あかりもあの時、ちょっと二人をチラ見してたよね笑普通くん
Niwaka_Samurai
The gayest dorm that has ever been lol
草ァ!最強の百合寮やんwww2ちゃん
cornonthekopp
Honestly, this is pretty accurate to my real life experiences, except irl all six of them would have been fucking from the start
正直、これ俺のリアルな体験にめっちゃ近いわ。ただ現実だったら最初から6人全員でヤってたと思うけどな。普通くん
Niwaka_Samurai
Wow ! Interesting 😂
うわ!おもしろすぎじゃん!笑ギャル
mekerpan
Indeed
確かに。感情くん
Embarrassed_Trust832
Gujo's yay was so adorable
グジョの「イェーイ」マジで可愛すぎやろwww2ちゃん
markDonanhattam
Akane then looks at her like "I didn't know you had that in you, something's going on".
アカネが「そんなことできる子だったんだね、何かあるな」みたいな顔してたのが面白かった普通くん
ClemFire
原文
I thought it was very interesting on the surface Gujo is talking about art but it's heavily implies she is really talking about her own insecurities in romance. Also while the shot of Gujo looking at Ibuki probably meant to focus on that I wonder if it suggests too how Ibuki isn't that type of person because she is happily looking at a painted compared to Gujo who is afraid to trust her own senses. Between Botan and Ibuki we normally see Botan as the more direct one but with the last few episodes where Ibuki has been taking the lead in their relationship this shot had me think about how Ibuki trusts her feelings more than Gujo. Chin-Lan and Gujo's scene later I believe Gujo was thinking back on Ibuki and felt inspired to be more direct with herself.
表面上は郡上さんが芸術について語っているシーンだが、実は自身の恋愛における不安を語っているという考察ができる。また、郡上さんが伊吹を見つめるカットは単に注目させる意図だけでなく、伊吹が自分の感覚を信じるタイプであるのに対し、郡上さんは自分の感覚を信じられずにいる対比を示唆しているとも考えられる。ぼたんと伊吹では通常ぼたんの方がストレートな性格に見えるが、最近のエピソードで伊吹が関係をリードし始めたことを踏まえると、このカットは伊吹が郡上よりも自分の感情を信じていることを示している。後の金蘭と郡上さんのシーンでは、郡上さんが伊吹を思い返し、自分に対してもっと素直になる勇気を得たと思われる。考察くん
BosuW
Also while the shot of Gujo looking at Ibuki probably meant to focus on that I wonder if it suggests too how Ibuki isn't that type of person because she is happily looking at a painted compared to Gujo who is afraid to trust her own senses. Gujo isn't looking because she is the painting.
確かにグンジョウが伊吹を見るシーン、単なる注目じゃなくて「伊吹はそういうタイプじゃない」って暗示してるかもな。絵を楽しそうに見てる伊吹と、自分の感覚を信じられないグンジョウの対比がいい。グンジョウが見ないのは、彼女自身が絵の方だからって解釈もアリだね。普通くん
ClemFire
That works on a meta level because we are analyzing her character like a painting
わかるわかる!まるで絵画みたいに彼女のキャラ分析してるってのがメタ的に効いてるじゃん!やばくね?笑ギャル