透明な夜に駆ける君と、目に見えない恋をした。

AutoLovepon
ずっと、そばに
早瀬たちと企画した「こども花火」の開催まで3カ月、頑張って病気と戦おうと伝えた空野。冬月の体調を気遣いながら見守っていたが、回復に向かっていた体調が急変し会いにいくこともできなくなってしまう。
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SonOfWeb
The conversation with his mom just broke me. The way she was so gentle and intuitive without probing after he asked the question about "what if he was on the decline"
まじで母親との会話やばかったんだけど!「もし自分が衰退してたら」って聞いた後、詮索せず優しく察してくれる感じが泣けるギャル
SOdAchick
I love how she didn't ask any questions and showed her full support only knowing that one detail. Then sending money without him asking. That boy's got a great mama
あの子、詳細を一つだけ聞いて何も質問せずに全力で支持してくれたの最高だわw しかも頼んでもいないのに送金までしてるし笑 あの子には最高のママがいるなwwwwおじ
Ikari_21
It really made me smile seeing him talk to his mom. She knows her boy. He’s quiet, keeps to himself, sometimes may seem aloof, but he’s a kind boy and a caring one. From that question alone she knew what he was getting at, and gave great advice. Just be there for that person and show your love.
お母さんと話してる姿、本当に微笑ましかったな。母親は我が子をよく分かってる。彼は無口で、一人でいることが多くて、時には冷たく見えるかもしれないけど、優しくて思いやりのある子なんだ。あの質問だけで彼が何を言いたいのか分かって、的確なアドバイスをくれた。ただそばにいて、愛を示せばいいんだよ。考察くん
Frontier246
And all throughout the conversation I was just thinking how much the mom and Koharu would get along so well...
会話の間中ずっと、母上と小春はさぞ意気投合するであろうにと、某は考えており申した…武士
Ikari_21
I think all 4 of them would have such a pleasant time together, koharu, her mom, sorano and his mom.
小春とその母、そら野とその母、4人一緒なら絶対楽しい時間になるやろな。2ちゃん
BBryant3rd
Yea all 4 of them would probably have a blast together.
てか4人一緒ならまじで盛り上がるやつじゃん!ギャル
gnome-cop
Mother knows best is a saying for a reason, you can’t trick your parents for long.
親の言うことは正しいってのは伊達じゃない。親を長く騙すのは無理だよ。普通くん
BosuW
One of the best scenes in the show for sure
間違いなく今作最高のシーンの一つやろ2ちゃん
VritraReiRei
原文
Oh boy. A real calm before the storm. For once after several gut wrenching episodes in a row, we got an episode that was lighthearted where nothing terrible happening on-screen. Her whole demeanor pretty much flipped after receiving the bookmark. She was actually laughing for once and teasing Sorano for once. And pink fireworks, huh? And something easy to draw without seeing. A Heart maybe? I have a feeling I'm going to be absolutely wrecked next episode.
ふむ…嵐の前の静けさ、か。幾多の心をえぐる試練の連続の後、我らはようやく平穏なる刻を得たのだ。しおりを受け取った彼女の貌は一変、笑みを浮かべ、Soranoをからかうとは…。桃色の花火、そして見えずとも描けるもの…心か?次なる刻、我が魂は砕かれよう。中二病
BosuW
Nothing terrible happening just makes me more nervous!
何も恐ろしき事が起きぬゆえ、かえって心がざわめくのでござる!武士
Precarious3145
And pink fireworks, huh? And something easy to draw without seeing. A Heart maybe? That's what I'm thinking. That's why she was trying to make sure she should go to the viewing; to ask him to deescribe the fireworks and hear his reaction.
ピンクの花火か…。見えなくても描きやすいものって、ハートとか?そう思うんだよね。だから彼女は花火を見に行こうとしてたんだ。花火の感想を聞いて、彼の反応を知りたかったんだね。普通くん
Want-to-be-confident
I’m scared that we have our death flag. There is no way that she is going to make it to the fireworks show. After her death right before the show, He is going to see an all pink firework that says “I love you” or “thank you” or something else sappy, and we are all going to cry…..
死亡フラグ立ってて怖いンゴ… 彼女が花火大会行けるわけないやろ 花火直前に死んで、ピンクの花火に「愛してる」とか「ありがとう」とかベタなメッセージ出て全員号泣するんやろな…2ちゃん
Awkward-Tumbleweed67
I can't handle another "Your lie in April". Please let me have a happy end
まじで「四月は君の嘘」みたいなのもう無理なんだけど!?ハッピーエンドにしてくれないと泣くんだけど笑ギャル
Frontier246
I wonder if the bookmark opened the floodgates to a point, or made her take Kakeru more seriously in his bond with her even if she's not consciously remembering it. But emotionally she's still connected to him.
しおりがきっかけで彼女の中で何かが溢れたのか、無意識でもKakeruとの絆を本気で受け止めるようになったのかな。でも感情ではまだ彼と繋がってるんだよね。普通くん
Elixir-Licht
I have a feeling she got her memories back with just the bookmark.
しおりだけで記憶取り戻したっぽくない?てかまじそれありえるじゃん!ギャル
GrosserFisch049
I am watching the anime with German subtitles, and based on them, everything only makes sense if Koharu retains her full memory the entire time. The scene with the bookmark, in particular, only makes sense if she knows exactly who Sorano is.
ドイツ語字幕で見てるんだが、それによると小春がずっと完全な記憶を保持している前提でないと全てが辻褄が合わない。特にしおりのシーンは、彼女がSoranoを正確に誰か分かっている場合にのみ成立するという考察ができる。考察くん
Elixir-Licht
Can you elaborate? I don't know any German.
詳しく頼むわ。ドイツ語なんてワイ知らんのや。2ちゃん
fawe9374
The fact that she didn't questioned where he got it from and yet know that it is her bookmark does feel that way.
彼女がそれをどこで手に入れたか聞かず、それでも自分のしおりだと分かっているのは、確かにそう感じる…エモすぎる!感情くん
Elixir-Licht
I would be so happy and ugly crying if her firework says "I love you" or something.
彼女の花火が「愛してる」とかだったら、嬉し泣きでグチャグチャになってただろうな。普通くん
karer3is
Yep... those of us familiar with the genre have been seeing the pieces falling into place since the beginning of the show and now it's just a question of when the other shoe is going to drop
それな…このジャンルに詳しい俺らは最初から伏線が揃っていくのを見てたよね。あとはいつ崩れるかの問題だよ…しんどい!感情くん
Aerodynamic41
"The medicine seems to be working." *3 minutes later* "But the next day, Fuyutsuki's condition worsened." Stop playing with my feelings man!
「薬効いてるっぽいじゃん!」→3分後→「でも翌日、冬月の容態は悪化した」まじで感情もてあそばないでよ!ギャル
shewy92
I'm not ready for the last 2 eps.
最後の2話、まだ心の準備ができてないな。ドライおじ
casiopov
i really hope that whatever koharu drew isnt gonna be heartbreaking
こはるが描いたものが切ない展開にならないといいなwwwwおじ
Milo2112_67
it reminds me of Kaori's letter in Your Lie in April
『四月は君の嘘』のKaoriの手紙を思い出すな。普通くん
Yippie-k1-yay
I really don’t like you for bringing that up and making me connect the dots once again
てかそれ言うのまじやめてくんない?また気づいちゃったじゃん、やばいんだけど笑ギャル
shewy92
I used to have that saved in my clipboard and used to paste it whenever someone asked about a sad anime or something. Then it got reported for spoilers so I stopped.
昔はクリップボードに保存しといて、悲しいアニメ教えてって聞かれたら貼り付けてたんや。でもネタバレ通報されてやめたわ。2ちゃん
Kbryce14_Gaming
youre a menace
お前は厄介者だな普通くん
Soft_Post
原文
Never read the novels, but I'm certain she's faking her memory loss thinking it's kinder on Kakeru and her friends / she thinks it will hurt her less. His dedication to staying with her finally inspired her to face the tragedy that is losing love just as she found it. She absolutely wrote a love note on the paper, hence the request for a pink pencil. I'm also pretty sure that her smashed phone was not just a plot device, but her destroying it out of rage and anger, because she never expected how painful falling in love as a "bucket list" item would be. When she heard his video confession she couldn't take the pain, knowing she was about to go back into chemo, and threw it. A metaphor for her trying to cut off her connections to save herself from the pain. When she cries out about her suffering at the end of episode 8, I think she's not just talking about the chemo, she's trying to forget love. In other words, Koharu wanted to "fall in love" as an activity . I think that initially, she intentionally targeted Kakeru, because he seemed dull, quiet and unimpressive. Not to hard to woo a guy like that - pretend to "drop" your cane in front of him, invite him to spend time with you, tell your best friend to help set you both up, force alone time, go on some dates and do cute shit, etc. (The early story seems so forced in certain ways.) Then, she starts feeling things - I think her embarrassment inviting him to the date was genuine. Turns out this mopey, dull guy gets her, and she thinks he's funny. But oh well - Chemo starts in a week. "Love" was fun - give him a kiss, and disappear. Then the video of his heartfelt, shouting confession gets sent, and everything changes. She realizes she does love him, how wonderful it feels - and all of a sudden she's no longer comfortable with death; she rejects it, sending her on this spiral of desperate coping, trying to forget - so it stops hurting so much. A classic foolish young lover's tragedy. I'll have the tissues ready for next week. Prediction - she doesn't make it to the fireworks show and suddenly RIPs next episode, and the final episode is the "reveal" through her letter and kind words from her mother in remembrance in giving thanks to Kakeru to giving her life meaning. Kakeru will likely "get a new lease on life" to honor her memory and be less passive about living. It's not up to snuff with the great tragedies I think, (Kakeru is unforunately underdeveloped, even as an everyman character IMO, and the emotional storytelling drops feel clunky and rushed), but it's been a good tearjerker.
小春は記憶喪失を装っているという考察ができる。翔への優しさと自己的防衛のためだ。翔の献身が彼女に愛を失う悲劇と向き合う勇気を与えた。ピンクの鉛筆要求はラブレターの伏線だろう。スマホ破壊は怒りの表現で、バケットリストの恋が予想以上に苦しく、動画告白が耐え難かった証拠だ。8話の叫びは chemo でなく愛を忘れようとしていた。当初は地味な翔を標的にしたが、本物の感情が芽生えた。予想では次話で彼女は逝去、最終話は手紙と母親の言葉で翔が前向きに生きる。粗削りだが涙腺にくる作品だ。考察くん
Fxrzana
Wow, I love this insight. I didn't think about the broken phone like that nor the whole "wooing" Sorano although there are early scenes that helps support it.
おお、この考察いいね。壊れたスマホの意味も、空野を口説いてたって見方も考えなかったな。序盤にそれを裏付けるシーンはあるけどね。普通くん
Want-to-be-confident
You know that was our death flag… I’m preparing myself for her death right before the show, and he is going to see an all pink firework with something that lets him know she remembers him. Or an answer to his video…. And we are all going to cry… OR….. she pulls through, they all see the show together and they live happily ever after because the cancer is all gone.
あれは死亡フラグだったんだよな…視聴前から彼女の死を覚悟してる。彼はピンク一色の花火と、彼女が自分を覚えていると分かる何かを見るはず。あるいは動画への返事か…そしたら全員号泣だ…あるいは…彼女が持ちこたえて、みんなで一緒にショーを見て、癌が消えてハッピーエンドって考察もできる。考察くん
ObvsThrowaway5120
Fuyutsuki’s not going to get better is she? I just get the sense with the way things are going and that phone conversation at the end, she’s not gonna make it. I just hope she gets to at least see the fireworks before she passes.
冬月はもう良くならないのかな?話の流れと最後の電話の感じからして、もう助からない気がする。せめて逝く前に花火を見られたらいいけど。普通くん
Frontier246
Honestly the moment she made sure he didn't see what her fireworks design is told me that he's going to see it when it's up in the air and it's going to absolutely crush him and the audience.
まじで!彼女が花火のデザイン見せないようにした時点で、絶対打ち上げ時に彼が見て、めっちゃ心えぐられるやつじゃん!観客も号泣確定だわギャル
reyxe
Yea at this point we all kinda know what the firework is as well as what's gonna happen to Koharu.
せやな、もうこの時点で花火が何なんかも、小春がどうなるかもみんな薄々分かっとるわwww2ちゃん
Atario
we all kinda know what the firework is …W— we do?
花火が何なのかみんななんとなく分かってる…え、分かってるの?普通くん
kuubi
Pink colour, easy to draw for a blind girl & it's a love story --> ❤️
ピンク色!盲目の女の子でも描きやすいし、しかも恋物語…❤️エモすぎるッ!感情くん
Want-to-be-confident
There is also the braille option.. she could write something in braille for him. That says “thank you” or “I love you too” to let him know she saw his video. Cause we can’t forget about the video. Either way… we have our death flag and we are all going to cry…
点字で「ありがとう」や「私も好き」って書けばいいのにね。動画のことも忘れちゃいけないし。どのみち死亡フラグだわ…みんな泣くんだろうな。普通くん
melissasimoes
yup! The minute she didnt show and wanted a pink one... I am not ready
それな!彼女が現れなくてピンクのが欲しいって言った瞬間…まじで心の準備できてないんだけど笑ギャル
MayonakaMadaraka
I hate when I find myself predicting outcomes like this, but from everything up to this point we probably shouldn’t be surprised if her condition seems to be improving on the surface only for her to suddenly pass away just before the fireworks. As devastating as that might feel, setting loose fireworks would make for a rather poetic farewell as her spirit ascends.
こういう展開を予想しちゃう自分が嫌なんだけど、ここまでの流れを見ると、彼女の容態が表面上は良くなってるように見えて、花火の直前に急に亡くなる可能性も驚かないかも。それってすごく悲しいけど、花火が打ち上がるのは彼女の魂が昇る詩的な別れになりそうだね。普通くん
mesasone
I think her firework is going to be her final message to Kakeru. Basically something along the lines of "Thank you for being there"
てか彼女の花火、Kakeruへの最後のメッセージになる気がするんだけど!まじで「そばにいてくれてありがとう」的なやつじゃん?ギャル
Want-to-be-confident
Any of us who have seen your lie in April have been on this familiar road before…..
四月は君の嘘を見たことある人なら、この道はおなじみだよね…普通くん
tottoro47
I already see the ending in front of me and the fireworks scene and I already know that it will absolutely fuck me up(I didn't read the source material, just watched enough soul crushing media)
もう結末と花火のシーンが目に浮かぶわ。絶対に心えぐられるだろうな。原作は読んでないけど、心を砕く作品はそれなりに見てきたからな。ドライおじ
Jacob-C
Imagine her firework just saying "I love you"
彼女の花火がただ「愛してる」って言ってるのを想像してみて普通くん
szalhi
"Say the line Kakeru." The more people visit at once, the harder it is to tell who truly is the center of attention.
「Kakeru、あのセリフ言ってよ!」てか、一気に人来るほど誰が本当の主役かわかんなくなっちゃうじゃん!ギャル
Frontier246
Calling out his verbal tic playfully is such a classic Koharu move. As well as finding a reason to link arms with him.
彼の口癖をからかうのは小春らしいよね。腕を組む口実を探すのも。普通くん
Primo29
What a rollercoaster ride! We were shown Koharu and Kakeru slowly getting back to their usual banter, and then suddenly—an empty, dark room. What a mood whiplash!
ジェットコースターすぎるッ!こはるとカケルのいつもの掛け合いが戻ってきたと思ったら、突然の暗い空っぽの部屋…!感情のジェットコースターだよもう!感情くん
Frontier246
And that empty room was still when she was doing better. It made him monologuing about her getting worse afterwards feel more heartbreaking.
あの空っぽの部屋、彼女が元気だった時は静かだったんだよね。だからこそ、その後彼が彼女が悪くなっていくのを独白するのが余計に切なく感じた。普通くん
maliwanag0712
原文
When things get better until it became worse. Another painful episode. So I assume that Koharu is in ICU since she was not even allowed to be visited? That would be really sad. I really hope Koharu and Kakeru makes it. Super minor comment: I dunno but there's a tone whiplash between Koharu suffering and Kakeru and Hayase prepping for the fireworks. It looked dissonant for me? Though this series really has that vibe. There's an air of sadness and many slice of moments sprinkled in each episode.
状況が良くなったと思ったら悪化する。また辛い回だ。小春はICUにいるのかな?面会も許されないなんて。本当に悲しい。小春とカケルには何とか乗り越えてほしい。細かい点だけど、小春の苦しみとカケルと早瀬の花火準備のトーンにギャップがあって違和感があったかも?でもこの作品はそういう雰囲気だよね。悲しさが漂いながら、日常のワンシーンが各話に散りばめられている。考察くん
Frontier246
Super minor comment: I dunno but there's a tone whiplash between Koharu suffering and Kakeru and Hayase prepping for the fireworks. It looked dissonant for me? Though this series really has that vibe. There's an air of sadness and many slice of moments sprinkled in each episode It felt like it transitioned into an anime about fireworks (which I guess it's like 10% of at this point).
小ネタやけど、小春が苦しんでる横でカケルと早瀬が花火の準備してるの、温度差やばない?ワイ的には違和感あったンゴ。でもこの作品そういうとこあるよな。悲しさの空気と日常シーンが毎話散りばめられてて、今や花火アニメに移行した感あるわ(現時点で1割くらい?)2ちゃん
mekerpan
Haven't fireworks ALWAYS been an important motif in this series?
花火ってこのシリーズでずっと重要なモチーフじゃなかったっけ?普通くん
Niwaka_Samurai
Super minor comment: I dunno but there's a tone whiplash between Koharu suffering and Kakeru and Hayase prepping for the fireworks. It looked dissonant for me? Though this series really has that vibe. There's an air of sadness and many slice of moments sprinkled in each episode. I feel the same
小春が苦しんでる横で翔と早瀬が花火の準備してるの、温度差やばくない?ワイも違和感あったわ。でもこの作品そういうとこあるよな。毎話どこか切なさと日常が混ざってる感じ。それな2ちゃん
Drumming_on_the_Dog
原文
You’re both right to. Tonal inconsistencies, especially from out-of-nowhere plot elements, and rushed endings have plagued this property across every adaptation of it to this point. I remember dying laughing at the last line of the first novel, then dying laughing at the absurdity of the premise of the epilogue. And it’s so infuriating. It could be an absolute classic with just a little more effort, material and development.
二人とも正しいよ。トーンがバラバラなのと、突然出てくるプロット要素、そして駆け足の終わり方は、これまでのどの翻訳版でもこの作品を悩ませてきた。最初の小説の最後の一文で爆笑したの覚えてるし、その後エピローグの前提の馬鹿馬鹿しさにも爆笑した。もう本当に腹立たしい。ちょっと努力と素材と展開を足せば、間違いなく名作になれたのに。普通くん
Background_Formal940
原文
Things are getting worse and when they started to look great again also I wasn't convinced she has real amnesia and after this EP It only empowered that belief I do believe she is faking it in order to push the mc away it's pretty obvious in this ep I get she doesn't want him to get hurt but she's been hurting him by pretending that she doesn't recognize him you can't just get someone to fall in love with you and all of a sudden tell him yo forget you but still I understand why she's doing it doesn't mean I agree
話がどんどん悪くなってるわ。ちょっとマシになったと思ったらこれや。あの子が本当に記憶喪失なのかは最初から疑ってたけど、今回の話で確信に変わったわ。ワイはあれは演技やと思うで。主人公を遠ざけるためにやってるんやろ、今回見りゃ明白やん。彼を傷つけたくないのは分かるけど、認識してないフリで逆に傷つけとるやんけ。好きにさせといて急に「忘れてくれ」はないわ。理由は分かるけど納得はできん。2ちゃん
Frontier246
Even if she does have amnesia I think the feelings for Kakeru are still there and easy for her to feel again the more he's around her and supporting her.
記憶喪失でもKakeruへの気持ちは残ってて、そばで支えられるほどまた簡単に感じられると思うんだよね。普通くん
Big-Guitar-510
She doesn’t have Amnesia she’s clearly faking it, she remembers Kakeru “Huhh” Habit
彼女は記憶喪失じゃない、明らかに演技やろ。Kakeruのこと覚えてるやん、「はぁ?」って癖までwww2ちゃん
Lost-Move-6005
Yeah it’s shocking how many don’t catch onto these things, lol
まじで!こういうの気づかない人多すぎてやばくない?笑ギャル
FinancialYear475
I don't think people aren't catching it, it's just that it's easy to believe she could've noticed it again with how much he visits her or it even sparked the memories of it again, it doesn't necessarily means she's faking it
みんな気づいてないわけじゃなくて、彼がこんなに頻繁に会いに来るから彼女がまた気づいたか、記憶が蘇ったと思いがちなだけ。偽ってるわけじゃないと思うよ。普通くん
Big-Guitar-510
I don’t think so, she’s most likely faking it to create distance. She told him to stop coming at the hospital and go back to college so she remembers their time in college, but the discussion with the doctor also makes it seem it’s not amnesia
せやな、あの子わざと距離置こうとしてるだけやろ。病院来んな大学戻れって言ったんは大学時代のこと覚えてる証拠やし、医者との話聞いても記憶喪失ちゃうやん2ちゃん
Lankymetal-uk
She also commented on him being "unfair" (I think that was the wording she used I'll need to rewatch) when he returned her bookmark. I'm thinking her mask is starting to slip as she realised he isn't going away.
彼がしおりを返したとき、彼女は「ずるい」って言ってたよね(表現は要再確認)。彼が去らないと気づいて、彼女の仮面が崩れ始めてるんだと思う。普通くん
Big-Guitar-510
She also told him to go back to college and stop coming to the hospital because she remembers everything and is faking it.
彼女は彼に大学に戻って病院に来るのをやめるように言ったんだ。彼女は全部覚えていて、記憶喪失のふりをしてるって…!つまり演技だったの?!しんどすぎる…泣いた。感情くん
BosuW
Rather, I'm hoping it's not faked. Something about it I feel would be a bad narrative move.
むしろ偽物じゃないといいなと思ってる。なんかそれって話的に微妙な展開になりそうな気がするんだよね。普通くん
Atario
Who's to say she didn't just notice it all over again, same as she did the first time?
それって、彼女が最初に気づいた時と同じように、また新たに気づいただけかもしれないじゃん?ギャル
X_Archiee
Everyone has said koharu is a true warrior But this time I say Sorano is a true warrior His resolve is something that requires courage Personally I want him to tell koharu about his past When koharu started crying I wouldn't have known what to do but he knows epistemology of loss
みんな小春は真の戦士って言ってるけど、今回は空野こそ真の戦士だと思う。彼の覚悟には勇気が必要だ。個人的には小春に過去を話してほしい。小春が泣き出した時、自分ならどうしていいかわからなかっただろうけど、彼は喪失の認識論を理解している。普通くん
BosuW
When Koharu said he thought Sorano was someone who didn't know when to give up, I think that really encapsulated how much he's developed.
小春が「空野は諦めを知らない人だと思ってた」って言ったとき、まじで彼の成長が詰まってるなって感じたわ!ギャル
lifeischerryblossoms
for a nice, sweet, and mostly positive episode , that was quite the ominous ending
甘くてポジティブな回だったのに、ラストは不穏すぎた…!感情くん
coolkid_3245
At this point I feel like 12 episodes is too long.
今のところ、12話は長すぎる気がする。普通くん
Frontier246
How much more can the audience (and Kakeru) take with the highs and lows of a terminal cancer diagnosis? Even if Koharu has regained her own resolve to keep going as best she can.
こんなジェットコースターみたいな展開、観てる側もKakeruももう限界じゃん!?小春が前向きになったとしても、まじで心が持たないんだけど笑ギャル
VritraReiRei
原文
I feel ya, considering the adaptation is only 1 Volume (and it's not even a terribly long one at less than 250 pages versus most Light Novels at less than 200). Victoria of Many Faces is in a similar situation where they only adapted 1 Volume but that show was 9 episodes. There's actually a 2nd volume that has a different title and much shorter but at the pace they are going they probably are only doing 1 volume and maybe a glimpse at the second.
せやな、1巻だけのアニメ化ってのは分かるわ。しかも250ページ以下って別に長くもないしな。Many Facesのヴィクトリアも似たようなもんで、1巻しかやってないのに9話もあったンゴ。実際2巻もあるけどタイトル違うしもっと短いし、このペースだと1巻だけか2巻チラ見せくらいやろな。2ちゃん
melindypants
Oh wow so the story will conclude in 1 season? That's actually great! I had a feeling already but good to have it confirmed. I think the pacing is fine, if anything I would've loved more time with the 2 together, even the whole group. Maybe this won't be a tragedy...despite all the death flags that have been planted...
わあ、1シーズンで完結するのか?それはむしろいいね!なんとなくそんな気はしてたけど、確定してよかった。テンポは問題ないと思う。むしろ2人が一緒にいる時間もっと見たかったな、グループ全員でも。もしかしたら悲劇にはならないかも…死亡フラグ立ちまくってるけど…普通くん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
原文
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FarCritical
I'm just grateful Kakeru managed to grow close enough with Koharu for light banter for the second time, especially after her outburst. Whatever's in store for later has me anxious like nothing else, man. Never expected fireworks senpai to end up being this cool.
KakeruがKoharuとまた軽口叩ける仲になってて良かった。彼女がキレた後だしね。今後の展開はマジで不安しかない。花火先輩がこんなにイケてるとは思わなかったよ。普通くん
tripleaamin
I am happy that Koharu is continuing to tackle forward. But man the ups and downs are part of the ride with a condition like hers. Just having friends like them is huge for Koharu. Who knows if she would have just given up if they didn't find her. It's interesting to hear from Sorano's mom. It's funny how perceptive moms can be.
小春が前を向き続けてるのは嬉しい。でも彼女の病状だと浮き沈みはつきものだよな。あんな友達がいるだけで小春にとっては大きい。もし彼らが見つけてなかったら諦めてたかもしれない。空野のお母さんの話は興味深い。お母さんってなんであんなに察しがいいんだろうな、面白いよ。考察くん
Big-Guitar-510
The most painful part is that Koharu actually hasn’t forgotten about them at all and is likely faking it, remember when she came to check in on Kakeru in the previous episode to make sure he’s attending his college classes and not spending all his time at the hospital, man this anime is so heartbreaking, I haven’t been invested in an anime like this in ages
一番キツいんは小春が実は2人のこと全然忘れてへんくて、たぶん忘れたフリしとるってことやろな。前の話でKakeruが大学ちゃんと行ってるか、病院に入り浸ってへんか確認しに来たやん。ガチで心えぐられるわ、こんなにハマったアニメ久しぶりや2ちゃん
mekerpan
I felt that lots of things Koharu has said (especially in this episode) showed she was no longer trying very hard to maintain her claimed amnesia.
小春が言ったこと(特に今回の話)は、もう記憶喪失を必死に演じてないって感じだったな。普通くん
Frontier246
原文
Koharu is at her emotionally lowest...which is why she needs Kakeru with her more than ever. To reassure her, to comfort her, to show her the things she wanted to accomplish, to be there for her and give her the motivation to keep fighting and not give up. Maybe she CAN beat this, especially if she's got the emotional support from someone as devoted to her as Kakeru? Don't tell me Koharu's fireworks design is going to hit Kakeru like a brick when he sees it. Narumi and Yuko are a great comedy duo, but Koharu isn't as receptive to it as she would've been before, either from the amnesia or her condition. This'll probably be the last time Narumi sees her for a while before he sails out as part of his navigator training, but if only she could have joined them for that fun ramen excursion. Honestly I have to wonder if Yuko's dad really is a normal salaryman or if there's something more to the Hayase Family with the amount of stuff she does. Though maybe her dad taught her how to be a master communicator. Koharu's having a good day! And it almost feels like she and Kakeru are back to their old banter! Of course then he sees her room empty and thinks the worst, but it's just a sign she's putting herself out there and trying to keep going, and Kakeru has to respect her resolve and help her in any way he can...even if, when her condition worsens, there's nothing he can do. What's Kakeru got to do in this heat, no roommate, and no Koharu? Go see the fireworks facility with Yuko of course! And Kotomugi is there because of course he would be, but he helps Kakeru see how the magic happens and also make his own sparkler. Sorano Mama Call! With Ayako Kawasumi's voice! You can see how well Kakeru gets along with his mom, and how well she gets him, and she's able to reassure/support him with the lady in his life that she knows exists...and help him firm his resolve to stay by Koharu's side until the bitter end.
小春は今、精神的にどん底にいる…だからこそ、これまで以上に駆が必要なんだ。彼女を安心させ、慰め、彼女が成し遂げたかったことを見せ、そばにいて戦い続けるモチベーションを与え、諦めさせないために。もしかしたら彼女はこれに勝てるかもしれない、特に駆のように献身的な誰かからの精神的支えがあれば?まさか小春の花火のデザインが、駆が見た時にレンガのように彼を打ちのめすなんて言わないよね。鳴海と優子は最高のコメディコンビだけど、小春は以前ほどそれを受け入れられない、記憶喪失か病状のせいで。これはおそらく鳴海が航海士訓練で出航する前に彼女に会う最後の機会だろうけど、彼女があの楽しいラーメン遠征に参加できたらよかったのに。正直、優子の父親が本当に普通のサラリーマンなのか、それとも早瀬家に何かあるのか疑問に思う、彼女がやることの多さから。でも多分彼女の父親がコミュニケーションの達人になる方法を教えたのかも。小春は良い日を過ごしている!そして彼女と駆が昔の冗談に戻ったように感じる!もちろんその後彼は彼女の部屋が空なのを見て最悪の事態を考える、でもそれは彼女が自分を外に出して続けようとしているサインで、駆は彼女の決意を尊重し、できる限り彼女を助けなければならない…たとえ彼女の病状が悪化した時、考察くん
zool714
Think I’m starting to enter the acceptance stage. I’d want to spend as much time with Koharu as I can too
ワイもそろそろ受容の段階に入ったンゴ…小春とできるだけ一緒にいたい気持ち、ガチでわかるわ2ちゃん
KumaKumaGambler
Kakeru's mum wasn't even given a face, but her words during that few minutes of phone call provided Kakeru with so much wisdom and support.
駆けるの母さん、顔すら出てなかったのに、あの数分の電話での言葉が駆けるにすごく大きな知恵と支えを与えてたんだよね。普通くん
thisisdropd
原文
After a couple weeks of non-stop pain and Koharu being all depressed, we finally got a glimpse of her old self. She had began to crack jokes and smile a little. Brought Kakeru (and us the audience) back to the simpler times. Granted, she's still fighting an uphill battle and she must've still be agonised deep inside, but this development demonstrated that she wouldn't let her condition get the better out of her. Of course just as we expected she's well on her way to recovery, she rapidly deteriorated. Brought us back to Earth – things were too good to be true. What a way to mess with our emotions. Kyoko immediately suggested that Kakeru stay by her side, despite Kakeru not mentioning the person's gender, or if he's even talking about a real situation. Never underestimate a mother's intuition. As soon as she said it, he immediately perked up. I wonder if he caught onto that one word. The fireworks scene would surely be gut-wrenching. With how Kotomugi mentioned about things that were bottled in eventually erupting, we can expect for both Kakeru and Koharu pouring out everything that they had kept within their hearts.
何週間もずっと痛みと小春の鬱状態が続いてたのに、やっと昔の小春がちょっと見えたンゴ。冗談言ったり笑ったりし始めたわ。翔も(そしてワイら視聴者も)平和な頃に戻った気分やった。もちろんまだ厳しい闘いの途中で、心の奥では苦しんでるやろけど、それでも病状に負けへんって示してくれたんや。そしたら予想通り、回復に向かってた矢先に急に悪化。現実に引き戻されたわ…うまくいきすぎてたんやな。感情をこんなに揺さぶるとは。京子がすぐに「翔はそばにいてあげて」って言ったんよ、翔が相手の性別も言うてへんのに、ホンマに実話かどうかもわからんのに。母親の直感は侮れんわ。言った途端、翔が急に元気になった。あの一言に気づいたんかな?花火のシーンはガチで心えぐられるやろな。コトムギが「溜め込んだものはいつか爆発する」って言うてたし、翔も小春も心に秘めたもん全部ぶちまけるやろな。2ちゃん
TheBabbz
The translation says "her side" but the original audio doesn't refer to any gender.
翻訳だと「彼女の方」ってなってるけど、元の音声では性別に触れてないんだよね。普通くん
Frontier246
It almost in a way feels like Koharu is falling for Kakeru again for the same reasons she did the first time, though I guess those feelings are, in a way, like muscle memory for her. I want Koharu to survive so she can meet his mom. I feel like they would get along amazingly well.
小春がまた駆に惚れ直してる感じやな。理由は最初と同じやけど、まあ体が覚えとるんやろな。小春には生き残って駆の母ちゃんに会ってほしいわ。絶対ウマが合うやろな。2ちゃん
oxlemf10
原文
Kakeru realized something that, however inconvenient, was obvious: coddling Koharu and treating her like a poor, helpless soul wouldn't help matters at all, so, before he knew it, there she was, walking around the hospital. Pyrotechnics are fascinating, although the production process usually involves rolling up gunpowder, it’s interesting to see how many manufacturers are local producers relying on hands-on, manual techniques.
Kakeruは気づいた。Koharuを可哀想な子扱いしても何も解決しないと。そしたら病院を歩き回ってた。花火は面白いね。製造は火薬を巻く作業が多くて、地元の手作りメーカーが多いのも興味深い。普通くん
Frontier246
Koharu has always shown herself to be someone her perseveres despite her disability, and that extends to the state of her body while dealing with cancer. But it's also a sign that she's back in as far as acting like the Koharu that Kakeru fell for.
小春は障害があっても不屈に生きる姿を見せてきたが、癌と向き合う身体の状態にもそれが表れている。これはまた、駆が惚れた小春らしい振る舞いに戻った証拠でもある。考察くん
Frontier246
Honestly I wanted to see her eat ramen with everybody...go to the fireworks facility with Kakeru and Kotomugi-senpai...meet Kakeru's mom...she has so much still to live for.
まじでみんなとラーメン食べてるとこ見たかったんだけど…花火施設にカケルとコトムギ先輩と行くとこも…カケルのママに会うとこも…彼女まだまだ生きる理由いっぱいあったじゃん…ギャル
TempestoLord
Thank god this wasn’t too depressing, but the constant “She is getting better…or maybe not” is stressing me out! But i like Fuyutsuki’s positivity and saying she will beat it is a good sign and the doc gave me some good vibes too last episode. She is a sweatheart and deserves the best, she suffered enough.
よかった、そこまで鬱展開じゃなくて。でも「彼女は良くなってる…いや、そうでもないかも」の繰り返しに胃が痛くなる!でも冬月の前向きさはいいし、打ち勝つと言ってるのは良い兆候。前回の医者も良い雰囲気だった。彼女は本当にいい子で最高のものを 受ける価値がある、もう十分苦しんだよ。考察くん
alexisv635
Someone can make a screenshot with Hayase and the fireworks? Thanks
誰か早瀬と花火のスクショ撮ってくれない?ありがとう普通くん
Fudgeumes
I know her chances are so slim, but God I hope she can make it through this.
彼女の可能性はすごく低いってわかってるけど、神様、どうか彼女がこれを乗り越えられますように…!感情くん
Vancelvany
if Fuyutsuki's firework design is a freaking heart or some form of loving response to his confession I'm gonna be bawling and calling work off for that day despite all of it - dont do this to me maaaan
冬月の花火のデザインがまさかのハートとか告白への愛の返事だったら、ワイ号泣して仕事休むわ、全部台無しでも。やめてくれよマジでwww2ちゃん
PencilgonGiveIt2Ya
Sorano's narration: "The day after that, Fuyutski's condition suddenly worsened," Me at the kitchen table enjoying my morning coffee: "FUCK" ༼;´༎ຶ ۝ ༎ຶ༽
まじで!?空野のナレ「その翌日、冬月の容体が急変した」→朝コーヒー楽しんでる私「ファッキン」てなりすぎて草 ༼;´༎ຶ ۝ ༎ຶ༽ギャル
djthomp
原文
I was briefly wondering if the bucket list bookmark was going to be enough to jog Koharu's memories. Then again she did cheer up a bit after Kakeru gave it to her and drew that secret fireworks design, so maybe it did. It would probably become dreadful real fast unless you are really into it but the idea of a college provided opportunity to sail all the way around Japan is kind of interesting. The visit to the fireworks factory was pretty cool too, though I was half expecting Kakeru to accidentally see Koharu's firework design while there.
バケットリストのしおりだけで小春の記憶戻るんか?と思ったけど、駆が秘密の花火デザイン描いて渡してから少し元気になったし、効いたんやろな。大学が日本一周の航海できる機会くれるとか面白いやん。花火工場も良かったわ。駆が小春の花火デザインを偶然見るんちゃうかとヒヤヒヤしたわ。2ちゃん
Stunning_Song_5636
I had hope in the first half of the episode but the conversation with the mom at the end is making me think the worst. I can’t wait another week
前半は希望があったのに、最後のお母さんとの会話で最悪の展開を想像しちゃう…!もう一週間も待てないよ!感情くん
SopmodTew
Man...dark clouds are gathering 😥
うわ…暗雲が立ち込めてるな😥普通くん
magnumcyclonex
原文
I'm glad they made up. I thought she would be even more offended he read her braille bookmark. Also, I wonder where the folded pink firework drawing is. Does she have it on her? Maybe by the flower pot? Or does he have it and he might submit it to make it a real firework? Nice to see the three of them hang out eating together. Perhaps Ayase's family is quite well off after all. And also nice to see Fireworks senpai. That guy seemed really happy to make even the little sparklers. They're gonna hire him once he graduates I think. I get the sense that Ayase is just a cool platonic friend to the two roommates. There is not even a hint of affection between her and Narumi, even though he's gone for a while sailing around Japan. My wishful thinking would have been for her to feel at least a little something, but I guess she's got her hands full being on the committee. This is the first time we hear Sorano's mother. It seems like mother and son have a good relationship, which is nice to see. But that question and answer at the end. It's leading us viewers to the bittersweet end right? I want to watch next week's episode, but I also don't want to...
彼らが仲直りしてよかった。彼女が点字のしおりを読まれたことで、もっと怒るんじゃないかと思ってたから。あと、折りたたまれたピンクの花火の絵はどこにあるんだろう?彼女が持っているのかな?植木鉢のそばとか?それとも彼が持っていて、本物の花火にするために提出するのかも?三人で一緒にご飯を食べているのを見るのはいいね。綾瀬の家はやっぱり結構裕福なのかもしれない。それに花火先輩に会えたのもよかった。あの人は小さな線香花火を作るだけでも本当に嬉しそうだった。卒業したら彼を雇うだろうな。綾瀬は二人のルームメイトにとって、ただのクールなプラトニックな友達って感じがする。鳴海が日本中を航海してしばらくいなくても、彼女と鳴海の間に愛情の片鱗すらない。彼女が少なくとも少しは何かを感じてくれればいいのにと思ったけど、委員会で忙しいんだろうな。空野のお母さんの声を聞くのは初めてだ。母と息子はいい関係みたいで、それはよかった。でも最後のあの質問と答え。これって視聴者をほろ苦い結末に導いてるんだよね?来週の話を見たいけど、見たくもない…考察くん
runevault
Also, I wonder where the folded pink firework drawing is. No he took it to the company so they can make a firework from it. She had to trust him not to look after she drew it and folded it up.
てか、折ったピンクの花火の絵どこ行ったん?いや、彼が会社に持ってって花火作ってもらうんだよね。彼女が折って渡したんだから、見ないって信じるしかなかったじゃん!ギャル
Lankymetal-uk
原文
I get the sense that Ayase is just a cool platonic friend to the two roommates. There is not even a hint of affection between her and Narumi, even though he's gone for a while sailing around Japan. My wishful thinking would have been for her to feel at least a little something, but I guess she's got her hands full being on the committee. Well, the whole plot kicked off because Narumi saw an opportunity to talk to the prettiest girl in the room... To borrow from another show this season though, I think there's just not much of a "spark". I wouldn't be surprised if off screen they tried being together - which is how they were close enough to stage the confession - but figured it would be better to just be friends and stepped back. There's a lot going around and if I survive the series I'll probably go back and look for clues.
綾瀬は二人のルームメイトにとってただのクールなプラトニックな友達って感じやな。鳴海が日本一周の船旅に出てる間も、綾瀬との間に恋愛感情の欠片もないンゴ。ワイの願望やったら、彼女にも少しは何か感じてほしかったけど、委員会で忙しいんやろな。まあ、話の始まりは鳴海が部屋で一番可愛い子と話すチャンスを見つけたからやし…今期の別アニメから借りるなら、「火花」があんまり感じられへんのよ。オフスクリーンで付き合ってみたけど、友達のままでいる方がええわってなって引いたんちゃうか。色々ありすぎて、このシリーズ生き残ったら見返して手がかり探すわ。2ちゃん
upazzu
please tell me what the frick is going on with Koharu when she disappears
小春が消えたとき、いったい何が起きてるのか教えてくれよ普通くん
Raymond49090
I feel like Koharu's anger arc was a bit short, but I guess it's better for her personally. And it's not like she's completely dealt with her feelings about it either.
こはるの怒りのアークちょっと短かったかもだけど、本人的にはむしろ良かったのかもね!てか完全に気持ちに決着ついたわけでもないし笑ギャル
ThisGachaSeemsLegit
Parents just know~
親はやっぱり分かってるんだよな〜普通くん
mesasone
原文
Well, shit. Last week I half-jokingly suggested that Koharu was going to pass away either just before or during the fireworks show - mostly just trying to come up with the most devastating way they could end this. But after that first scene where she draws her firework and tells Kakeru not to look at it, I think they're actually going to do that. That's going to be her final message to Kakeru. Probably something along the lines of "Thanks for sticking it out with me". I hate this.
あーあ、クソが。先週ワイが「小春は花火大会の直前か最中に死ぬんちゃうか」って半分冗談で言うてたんやけど、まさかガチでそのルート来るとは思わんかったわ。最初のシーンで花火描いて「見るな」って言うた時点で確信したンゴ。あれが小春の最後のメッセージで「一緒にいてくれてありがとう」系やろな…マジで嫌やわこれ。2ちゃん
tottoro47
Mom cemented herself as the best girl within 60 seconds lmao
母は60秒で最高の女の子としての地位を確立したわwww普通くん
Spectr3_qwe
At least this episode was a little more "fun" to watch. I hope that everything goes for the better from now on. I feel like the pace of this last episodes has sort of slowed down too much the anime but maybe thats just me.
少なくとも今回はちょっと「楽しく」見れたわ。ここからは全部いい方向に進んでほしいンゴ。最近の話はテンポ遅すぎてアニメ全体ダレてる気がするんやけど、ワイだけか?2ちゃん
BBryant3rd
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He handled it well when she asked him how could he ask her that. I am glad she at least is willing to give it a shot even though both sides are valid in their feelings. I hope we see her Mom again and learn a little more. I couldnt help feeling by the way she responded and how we didnt see Mom no more that she's said it to her Mom too. Getting him to keep talking to her daughter may have been Mom's last ditch shot at hopefully getting her daughter to want to live. Im nervous to see where things go.
彼女に「どうしてそんなこと聞けるの」って言われたとき、彼はうまく対応したね。お互いの気持ちはもっともだけど、彼女が少なくとも試してみようと思ってくれてよかった。お母さんにまた会えて、もう少し知れたらいいな。彼女の反応と、お母さんがその後出てこないのを見て、お母さんにも同じことを言ったんだろうなって思わずにはいられなかった。彼に娘と話し続けてもらうのが、娘に生きてほしいと願ったお母さんの最後の手段だったのかも。これからどうなるか不安だよ。普通くん