ここは俺に任せて先に行けと言ってから10年がたったら伝説になっていた。

AutoLovepon
10年たって先に行けと言われた
バンパイアたちが王宮に侵入!ロックは瞬く間に敵を撃退し、敵の拠点へ乗り込んで幹部の第六位階を打ち倒す。さらに黒幕のハイロードを討つべく、エリック、ゴラン、シアと共に敵の本拠地へと突入するが...。
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JusticiaDIGT
An enemy attacking while the MC is talking? Don't they know combat is turn-based?
敵が主人公の会話中に攻撃してくる?戦闘はターン制だって知らないのかよ。普通くん
Phoenix__Wwrong
Meanwhile in Hell Mode, it's the MC who interrupted the dragon boss monologue.
一方その頃、地獄モードでは、ドラゴンボスの長広舌を遮ったのは主人公の方だったのだ。我が前にて、竜の言葉など無意味也。中二病
hanmkim
The High Lord watched that episode of All Works Maid.
ハイロードがあの『万能メイド』のエピソードを見てたんだけど、その表情が無理すぎるッ!感情が爆発しすぎてて優勝だわ。感情くん
AceSoldia
I really really like the design of the beastkin Sia,..and she's competent too! Everyone seems pretty competent in this for the most part..something I'd expect from a former hero party
ビーストキンのシアのデザインほんまええわ…しかも有能やし!この作品みんな大概有能やんな…元勇者パーティーやし当然か2ちゃん
throwaccountforeason
Shows where the writers know that you can have a power fantasy and glaze the MC without making everyone else useless buffoons are always better for it. cough solo leveling cough
我が目をもって見よ、作者どもが力を幻想と知りつつ、主人公を讃えつつも、他者を愚者に堕とさぬ作品こそ至高なり。咳、ソロ・レベリング、咳。中二病
coffeecakesupernova
Except that in Solo Leveling there are a lot of competent characters, especially his servants...
でもSolo Levelingには有能なキャラが多いんだよね、特に彼の配下たちは。普通くん
Ralathar44
The more people try to glaze Solo Leveling, the worse it looks. Just enjoy your visually shiny but otherwise mid to low quality power fantasy and stop trying to make it out to be more than it is. It's like trying to pretend Jack in the Box is a fine restaurant. You don't need to do that. It's ok to just like it as it is knowing it's not the highest quality in many aspects.
Solo Leveling持ち上げれば持ち上げるほど逆にダサく見えるンゴwww 見た目は派手やけど中身は並以下やろ、ただのパワファンタジーやん。それを大層なもんみたいに語るのやめろや。 ジャック・イン・ザ・ボックスを高級レストラン扱いするみたいなもんやで。そんな無理すんなや。 色々粗があるの分かった上で好きなら好きでええやろ。それで十分や。2ちゃん
Jermainiam
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I wish I could say Solo Leveling was a low tier power fantasy, but the bar for that is just so abysmally low. At least Solo Leveling has a somewhat satisfying power up progression. So many works out there just immediately give the MC OP powers and then also proceed to do absolutely nothing with them. Usually by coming up with braindead lame excuses for why the MC just won't use his power, if they bother with excuses at all. Kinda like Luck in this episode tbh. You can't really expect us to believe that the hero that battled an entire demon army including the commanders and the demon lord himself, while getting stronger the entire time, would have any trouble at all against some vampire scrub.
ソロ・レベルリングが低レベルな俺TUEEEものだと言えたらいいんだけど、その基準が本当に低すぎるんだよね。少なくともソロ・レベルリングにはそれなりに満足できる成長過程がある。世の中の多くの作品は主人公にいきなりチート能力を与えて、その後何も活用しないことが多いんだ。大抵は「能力を使わない理由」として馬鹿げた言い訳を考え出すか、そもそも言い訳すらしない。今回のラックみたいな感じだね。悪魔軍団全体と指揮官、魔王本人までと戦いながら強くなり続けた英雄が、ただの吸血鬼の雑魚相手に苦戦するなんて信じられないよ。普通くん
Ralathar44
原文
I specifically said mid to low tier because people value different things in shows so depending on what you value the show is either mid or low or somewhere in between. The MC in Solo Leveling only did 90% of what he did because the system forced him to. Including crossing the line to murder. Making money to cure his mom was a motivation but the system was pushing him up the power tiers regardless so him going for her cure was only really going slightly out of his way in the direction he was already headed. Kinda like Luck in this episode tbh. You can't really expect us to believe that the hero that battled an entire demon army including the commanders and the demon lord himself, while getting stronger the entire time, would have any trouble at all against some vampire scrub. No, that makes perfect sense actually. With drain touch he effectively has infinite hp if you cannot hurt him faster than he can heal and its explains it sustained him too. So the number of demons literally didn't matter, none of them had the ability to hurt him and indeed mostly just served as sustenance. Much the same way normal humans can't beat vampires regardless of numbers because of charm. In fact it only makes them stronger. As far as the Demon lord goes, its heavily implied the demon lord came back to kill him before reaching full strength after they heavily injured him. And he was able to beat him by essentially using two opposing spells simultaneously. The demon lord, caught by surprise, couldn't defend vs both at once...only one. It was likely a desperately last stand trump card which would have left Luck drained and helpless had it failed. This Vampire appears to have regeneration far beyond what was expected and the dark gods (above the demon lord) have been mentioned as his patron. So there is no telling what magical blessings or curses the vampire may have received from their evil gods. We don't know how well the vampire lord does again magic yet.
ワイは「中〜低ランク」って言うたんはな、人によって作品に求めるもんが違うからや。何を重視するかで「中の上」にも「低め」にもなるっちゅう話やで。 ソロレベリングの主人公は、システムに強制されて90%の行動しとったやろ。殺人に踏み越えるとこも含めてな。母親の治療費稼ぎは動機の一つやけど、システムがパワーアップさせ続けるから、治療費集めは「進む方向にちょっと寄り道しただけ」みたいなもんやった。 今回のラックも同じやな。悪魔軍団と幹部と魔王本人と戦って、ずっと強くなってきた英雄が、チンピラ吸血鬼相手に苦戦するわけないやろ。 いや、それで筋は通っとるんやで。ドレインタッチで無限HPやから、回復速度以上にダメージ与えられへん限り倒されへんし、それで持続も説明できる。つまり悪魔の数は関係なくて、誰も傷つけられへんし、むしろ餌になってただけや。 人間が吸血鬼に数で勝てへんのと同じ理屈やな。魅了されるから。むしろ強化されるだけや。 魔王については、重傷負わせた後に完全回復する前に倒しに来たっちゅう示唆がある。そして二つの相反する魔法を同時に使って倒したんや。魔王は不意を突かれて、片方しか防げんかった。 それは瀕死の切り札やろ。失敗してたらラックは消耗しきって無力やったはずや。 今回の吸血鬼は想定外の再生力2ちゃん
NevisYsbryd
Probably wasting your breath, 90% of the complaints about that series are from people who do not read.
おそらく無駄骨だと思うけど、そのシリーズへの不満の90%は読んでない人からのものだよ。普通くん
throwaccountforeason
His servants? The mind controlled mute undead that only do what he tells them? How long until we first meet one of those competent characters? Will the first show up in season 3 or do we need to read the manwha because it is so far into it that the anime will never reach them?
彼の従者って、洗脳された喋れないアンデッドで、命令に従うだけの存在だろ? あの有能なキャラクターたちにいつ会えるんだ? シーズン3で初登場するのか、それともアニメでは到底到達しないほど原作が進んでるから、マンファを読む必要があるのか?考察くん
BlazeKnightX
I have read and yeah no people are just completely full of hot air. Competency is when everyone is useless and just falls back to let MC do everything. His servants are just a part of his powerset and not individuals so I don't know why people try to make it sound like they are unique beings that have full autonomy or even the ability to die if he is still alive and well.
読んだけど、まあ人々は完全に空気読めてないだけだよね。有能さって、みんな無能で主人公に全部任せるってことじゃないし。彼の従者たちはただの能力の一部で、個々の存在じゃないんだよ。なんで彼らが完全な自律性を持つ独自の存在で、彼が生きてる限り死ぬことすらないみたいに言う人がいるのか分からないな。普通くん
raknor88
Everyone seems pretty competent in this for the most part..something I'd expect from a former hero party And it's something that shouldn't be surprisingly refreshing. But it is very surprisingly refreshing to see.
この作品のキャラクターたちは、ほとんど全員が高い実力を備えているのが見て取れる。元英雄パーティーの一員なら当然のことだと言えるし、驚くほど新鮮だとは言えないはずなんだが——実際に目にすると、その新鮮さに逆に驚かされるな。これは制作陣が意図的に描いたキャラクター設計の妙だと思われる。考察くん
shadebug
Even the supposed F Rank apprentice (who I realise is really at least B) is just out her ganking mobs
ふむ、かのF級見習いとやら(実際は少なくともB級でござろうが)も、ただ雑魚を屠っておるだけとは……実に呆れ果てた話でござるな。武士
Vyse1519
Heck, even the actual F ranks he went on that first quest with were pretty careful even if they were still green
いや、実際に最初のクエストで一緒だったFランクたちも、まだ未熟ながら結構慎重だったよな。普通くん
darthvall
You know what, that is indeed refreshing! I just got some flashback on some anime which features cocky low ranker (goblin slayers), or the other way around, overly cowardly low ranker (looking at you Heavy Knight!).
せやな、確かに新鮮やわ!ワイもなんかフラッシュバックしたわ、調子乗ってる下位ランカー(ゴブリンスレイヤー)とか、その逆の超ビビり下位ランカー(ヘビーナイトお前やで!)のアニメ思い出したわwww2ちゃん
shadebug
Heavy Knight manages to fully unironically hit both tropes and it does it all with the artistic grace of a newgrounds meme
ヘビーナイト、まさに両方のテンプレを完全に真顔で踏み抜いてるな。しかもそれをニューグラウンズのネタみたいな芸術的センスでやってのけるんだから、なかなか味わい深いもんだよ。ドライおじ
Raymond49090
原文
Feels like this doesn't follow the usual plot progression of "starting at F-rank but secretly OP" shows. Other than the guild lady who was worried about his safety, I don't think there was really any moment where anyone doubted his abilities (other than calling BS when he claims he's F-rank). And we're just 5 episodes in, and they've already decided "screw it let's raid the boss' castle". Which probably means the High Lord isn't the real final boss, or it'll be a "the princess is in another castle" type scenario.
いつもの「Fランクから始まるけど実は最強」系の定番展開とはちょっと違う気がするな。彼の安全を心配してたギルドの女性以外は、実力を疑う場面がほとんどなかった気がする(Fランクって自称してる時の「は?」みたいな反応以外はね)。しかもまだ5話なのに「もうボスの城に突撃しようぜ」ってなってるし。つまりハイロードは本当のラスボスじゃないか、あるいは「姫は別の城にいる」パターンってことだろうな。普通くん
runevault
I dunno if it'll show up in season 1 but the Vampire High lord has never been the biggest bad. When the VHL was introduced as an idea they mentioned he was trying to summon the dark gods. So theoretically they are either this arc or the series' big bad.
吸血鬼ハイロードって実は最強の敵じゃないんやで。VHLが初登場した時、暗黒神を召喚しようとしてるって言及があったんや。理論上は、こいつらが今回のアークかシリーズ全体のラスボスになるんやろな。シーズン1で出るかは知らんけど。2ちゃん
justsyr
Yeah that's my thought too since next episode we have our hero already starting a family meaning the High Lord Vampire will be dust in the first minute or so lol. Also Six said "enjoy because the big one is coming" (that's the idea) and I think some of these low level baddies said something similar a couple of episodes ago.
うん、俺も同じ考えだな。だって次回はもう主人公が家族を持ち始めてるわけだし、ハイロード・ヴァンパイアは最初の1分くらいで消し炭になるだろうな笑。それにシックスも「楽しめ、大物が来るぞ」って言ってたし(そういう意味だと思う)、数話前に下級の敵キャラたちも似たようなこと言ってた気がする。普通くん
Falsus
I mean the Sixth said the king would kill him, which at least in my opinion sounds higher than High Lord.
つまり第六位が王は自分を殺すって言ったんだろ、俺の意見ではハイロードより上に聞こえるけどなwwwwおじ
Hartzilla2007
They also probably have a decent amount of minions Luck is going to be stuck dealing with.
ラックが対処せなあかん手下も結構おるやろなwww2ちゃん
arrydie
This one isn't really about being secretly OP and more about not announcing he's a specific celebrity. I think he's just F-rank for the trope/joke and because otherwise Goran would have to pull some more obvious strings
これは「実は無敵」ってより、「有名人だってことを隠してるだけ」って話だよね。Fランクなのはそのネタのためで、そうじゃなきゃゴランがもっと露骨に手を回さないといけなくなるからだと思う。普通くん
Hartzilla2007
It also feels like he's F-rank because he's treating this as semi-retirement from heroing.
まじでFランなの謎じゃね?てか彼的にはヒーロー業の半引退みたいな感じでやってるだけなんじゃない?笑ギャル
A_gnomish_dwelf
He is F-Rank cause he is a SS+ rank wizard in the role of a brawler/swordsman, he wouldn't feign he is an F-Rank spellcaster. Also, sorry for the "SS+" rank, its isekai and fantasy-anime terminology, not a defense of genociding mooks.
彼はFランクなのは、実は格闘・剣士タイプのSS+ランク魔法使いだからだよ。わざわざFランクの魔法使いのふりをする必要もないしね。あと「SS+」って言ったけど、これは異世界ファンタジーアニメ用語であって、雑魚を虐殺する擁護じゃないからね。普通くん
ChronoDeus
原文
Feels like this doesn't follow the usual plot progression of "starting at F-rank but secretly OP" shows. I don't usually check out these sorts of shows, but I'd say it doesn't. He was already a powerful veteran at the start of the series, and he's only 'starting' at the lowest rank because after reconnecting with his buddy, he wanted to conceal from the general public that he was back and a low rank cover story would let him operate without scrutiny. So the people in charge know who he is and what he can do, and obviously won't hesitate to call on him for anything serious. Otherwise he's not interacting with any high level people not in on the secret.
これは「Fランクから始まるけど実は最強」系の典型的なプロット進行とは違うという考察ができるな。この手の作品は普段見ないけど、そう言えると思う。彼はシリーズ開始時点で既にベテランの実力者で、低ランクから「始める」のは、旧友と再会した後、彼が戻ってきたことを一般に隠すためだ。低ランクのカバーストーリーがあれば、詮索されずに行動できるからな。だから上層部は彼の正体と能力を知っていて、深刻な事態には当然躊躇なく彼を呼ぶ。それ以外では、秘密を知らない高位の人間とは交流しないってわけだ。考察くん
A_gnomish_dwelf
Exactly, and, as I said elsewhere, his cover identity is of a much weaker and different class than his actual identity, its just he is so OP it still may be improperly gauged when it comes at estimating what he can do if he stays in character for the cover identity.
そうだね、他のところでも言ったけど、彼の偽装アイデンティティは実際の強さよりずっと弱いクラスなんだ。ただ彼が強すぎるから、偽装を維持したままの実力を見誤る可能性があるってことだよ。普通くん
Boris-_-Badenov
or he gets to be a normal adventurer for awhile until a new boss shows up
ふむ、新たなボスが現れるまでは、しばし平穏な冒険者として過ごせるというわけか。それもまた一興でござるな。武士
Falsus
Yeah he doesn't really interact with many people that doesn't know who he is and most of those he doesn't know who he is are important enough to be told or figured it out themselves like Sia.
せやな、ワイも思うわ。主人公は自分を知らん奴とはあんま関わらんし、逆に知らん相手でもSiaみたいに重要なやつは自然と気づくか教えてもらってるやろ。2ちゃん
DavidJKay
They have already said progression... high lord vampire is probably less than a demon lord and there are dark gods above demon lord that they are trying to bring into world.
もう進展は語られてるよ…高位吸血鬼はおそらく魔王より下で、その上に彼らが召喚しようとしている暗黒神がいるんだ。普通くん
zer0number
Yikes. My fun show about a magic chicken that can kill vampires got pretty heavy there for a bit after Luck killed Six.
うわっ…吸血鬼を殺せる魔法のチキンの楽しい話が、ラックがシックスを殺した後ちょっと重くなりすぎだろ…しんどい。感情くん
Djbadj
Yeah happy to see that supposed isekai and fantasy slop shows are getting some depth and this season has a few surpassingly good ones like this and the Villager lv999
確かに、最近の異世界・ファンタジー系って深みが出てきたよね。今期はこれと『村人レベル999』みたいに、期待以上に面白いのがいくつかあって嬉しいわ。普通くん
Meander061
Villager 999 has jumped all the way to "let's kill God" five episodes in. Making up for the cheesy production.
ヴィレッジャー999が5話でいきなり「神を殺そう」ってとこまで飛躍したんだけど!制作のチープさをカバーしてるじゃん、やばくない!?ギャル
zer0number
Man, I am fine with depth, but don't go slop to 'look at all these dead folks' in a single act!
まあ、深みがあるのはいいんだけど、1話で「ほら、こんなに人が死んでるよ」ってやるのはやりすぎだと思うわ。普通くん
kwokinator
原文
My favourite thing about this anime continues to be how Eric and Goran are just total bros. Not only did the anime not fall to the now-tired "banished from the hero party" trope or be totally different now that they're famous and successful, both of them readily volunteered to party back up with Luck. Both of them even made a great callback to how Luck held up the demons for them to go ahead and did it for him this time. Celiss is hilarious, but Eric and Goran surprise me everytime.
このアニメで一番好きなとこはエリックとゴランが完全にブラザーってとこやな。今はもう使い古された「勇者パーティー追放」展開に陥らんかったし、有名になって成功しても全然変わってないんよ。二人ともルークと再び組むのを快諾してくれたし、前はルークが悪魔を抑えてくれたのを、今回は逆に二人が抑えるっていう見事なオマージュもぶち込んでくれたわ。セリスはマジでウケるけど、エリックとゴランは毎回ワイを驚かせてくれるンゴwww2ちゃん
A_gnomish_dwelf
Well said, well said.
確かに、それな。感情くん
SlimeC0RE
I 100% believe that with this regeneration, the high vampire lord is looking like an edgelord just for the love of the game. Those bandages are purely cosmetic.
このリメイク版での高位吸血鬼ロードは、完全に厨二病全開でやってると思うわ。あの包帯は純粋に見た目だけだね。普通くん
kalirion
Might be an isekaiee?
異世界転生ものかもなwwwwおじ
djthomp
原文
I love how this keeps mixing up what you'd think would be the harem adventure story formula. Go off to confront the big bad with the party that has collected up so far? Nope, king and the guildmaster go with to bring the overwhelming force and they leave most everyone else behind to defend the castle while only taking the wolfgirl since she has charm immunity and will help with interacting with the wolf tribe forces already in the field. That said I'm not sure leaving Celliss behind to cover the castle with just the instructions to kill the vampires quickly before they can charm anyone is the best of plans, but they just don't have enough people who are immune. Though maybe they should have brought in the lady who I suspect is the hero party member and queen, since she probably does have the mental resistance the rest of the hero's party does. It got kind of dark when Luck broke the medallion and we heard the screams and then when he found the dead bodies those screams were from too, honestly good thing he didn't have any of the kids with to experience that.
この作品、ハーレム冒険譚の定石をいい意味で裏切ってくるのが好きだな。大ボスに立ち向かうはずが、王とギルドマスターが圧倒的戦力で同行し、他の大半は城防衛に残す。狼娘だけは魅了耐性があるから連れて行き、戦場にいる狼族の部隊との交渉役としても機能させる。ただ、セリスを城に残して「魅了される前に吸血鬼を速やかに殺せ」と指示するのは最善とは言えない気がするが、耐性持ちが足りないのが現状だな。もしかすると、勇者パーティの一員で女王であろうあの女性を連れて行くべきだったかもしれない。彼女なら他の勇者パーティ同様の精神耐性を持っている可能性が高いからな。ラックがメダルを壊した時の悲鳴と、死体を見つけた時の悲鳴が同じだったのは結構ダークだったな。あれを子供たちが目撃しなくて本当に良かったと思うよ。考察くん
deynyel
Ahh yes, the ever-reliable strategy of “Kill them before they kill you.” Works every time.
それな!「やられる前にやれ」作戦、マジ最強すぎるッ!毎回通用するのエモいわ〜感情くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Strike First, Talk never
まず殴って、話すのは絶対なし!やばくね?笑ギャル
Boris-_-Badenov
hope Celiss doesn't find out Luck gave Sia such a great sword, while she got a regular one
セリスが、ルークがシアにそんなすごい剣を渡したことを知らないといいんだけどな。彼女は普通の剣しかもらってないのにさ。普通くん
raknor88
She got one of her dad's swords. That is a far better gift, to her, than what Luck gave the beast kin girl.
パパの剣もらったんだって!それってルックが獣人の女の子にあげたもんより全然いいプレゼントじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
Falsus
Tbf, she got one of Goran's swords so she is probably pretty happy with that.
いやいや、彼女ゴランの剣を手に入れたんだぜ!それだけで相当テンション上がってるだろ絶対!最高すぎる!感情くん
Mr_Pogi_In_Space
The High Lord had the same idea
ハイロードも同じこと考えてたんじゃね?まじでやばくない?笑ギャル
Ralathar44
I mean, considering what she's up against its a solid strat. If she lets them use it she's at a huge disadvantage so the easiest counter is to push the offense so it becomes difficult or impossible to use it safely. It seems like it takes them a moment and some concentration to do it, which leaves them open for a good ole sword whuppin.
彼女の置かれた状況を考慮すると、これは理にかなった戦略だと言える。相手にその技を使わせれば圧倒的不利に立たされるから、最も簡単な対抗策は攻勢をかけ続けて、安全に使用することを困難にすること。発動には一瞬の集中が必要なようで、その隙を突けば剣で叩きのめせる。実に合理的な判断だと思われる。考察くん
jdhshais
This anime should have been called Competent MC not being a weirdo. Its just crazy and sad how seeing something like that is so rare nowadays.
このアニメ「変なやつじゃない有能な主人公」ってタイトルにすればいいのに!まじでこんな主人公見るの今どき珍しすぎてやばくない!?しかもそれが普通に見れるって思うだけで泣けるんだけど笑ギャル
runevault
While also not being fucked over by his old party. Funny how doing something so simply is a breath of fresh air because of the set of tropes fantasy anime has locked on to.
昔のパーティーに裏切られたりもしないしね。こんなシンプルなことが新鮮に感じるのは、ファンタジーアニメが定型に縛られすぎてる証拠だよな。普通くん
thelemon8er-2
Luck needs to lock in for this fight. Or Lock needs some luck?
この戦い、ラックまじで本気出さないとやばくない!?それともロックの方に運が必要ってこと?笑ギャル
kalirion
Luck needs to stop with this swordsman shtick he's been playing at and just nuke the enemy with magic, which is supposed to be his specialty. Why not the hellfire/drain combo which took out the Demon King?
もう剣士ごっこはやめて魔法でぶっ飛ばせや。それがルークの本領やろ。魔王倒した地獄火+ドレインコンボ使えばええやん。2ちゃん
Phoenix__Wwrong
Pretending to be the wrong class is a good way to make the enemies let their guard down.
間違ったクラスに偽るのは、敵の警戒心を解くのに良い方法だね。普通くん
kalirion
There should be no need, he should be able to low diff the guy anyway.
必要ないだろ、どうせ楽勝で倒せる相手だし。感情くん
A_gnomish_dwelf
He is playing them. At these circumstances, he can't go wrong. The longer he plays the guy, the much more he finds out about the upcoming threats. He may seem to be pulling a Goku here, but he is a wizard, despite what his cover is, not a Goku, there's a method to the madness.
ワイはこいつが相手を弄んでると思うンゴ。この状況なら外す要素ないわ。長く引き延ばすほど、今後の脅威について情報が集まるしな。一見悟空みたいにやってるように見えるけど、実際は魔法使いやろ。表向きはともかく、悟空とは違う。狂気にもちゃんと理屈があるンゴwww2ちゃん
kalirion
Except that his two comrades are fighting for their lives against 30 Vampire Lords - something that he himself had voiced doubt about their ability to do.
でも、彼の二人の仲間は30人のヴァンパイアロードと命がけで戦ってるんだぜ——彼自身、彼らにそれができるか疑問を口にしてたのに。普通くん
shadebug
It’s not even close to time to pull out the big guns. He hasn’t even let them know that he’s left handed and wearing weights yet
まだ本気出す時じゃないじゃん!てか、左利きなのも重り付けてるのも教えてすらないんだよ。やばくね!?ギャル
darthvall
Even more, he has not unequiped the ring that seals off his excess true power
それに、余分な本来の力を封じている指輪も外してないんだよな普通くん
A_gnomish_dwelf
Exactly, exactly.
それな、それな!マジで同意しかしないッ!感情くん
A_gnomish_dwelf
Exactly, exactly.
まさに、その通りだね。普通くん
Ralathar44
He was never untrained and because he spent so long fighting with a sword in the other dimension he got alot better at it. So its better for him to conserve his magic and leave it as a trump card as much as possible. He DID cast a big spell at the beginning though to completely take out all the small fry and converts.
ワイは元々無能やなかったし、異世界で長いこと剣振り回しとったからめっちゃ上達したんや。魔法は切り札として温存する方がええわな。でも最初に雑魚と信者全滅させるためデカい魔法使ったんやろ?あれは正解やと思うで。2ちゃん
kalirion
He DID cast a big spell at the beginning though to completely take out all the small fry and converts. A big spell to take out the large fry, which would then take out all of the large fry's progeny (i.e. all the small fry and converts) seems like it would've been a better use of mana.
でも最初に大規模な魔法を使って小物や転生者を一掃したのは確かだよ。大物を倒すための大魔法で、その大物の子孫(つまり小物や転生者全員)を巻き込む方が、マナの使い道としては良かったんじゃないかな。普通くん
Ralathar44
Pretty sure that, even if he was capable of that, it'd kill all prisoners, charmed, and non-combatants too.
ワイの見解やけど、仮にそれが出来たとしても囚人も魅了された奴も非戦闘員も全員死ぬやろな。2ちゃん
Mage_of_Shadows
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runevault
Fun episode, and as I figured based on next episode's title he's probably going to finish this up next episode. But who's going to be the waifu? I don't think Sia and I'd be shocked if it is Celliss. Poor Vampire High Lord has no idea what he's up against. I wonder if Luck will admit he's the one who killed the Demon Lord as he kills him.
まあ楽しい回だったな。次回のタイトルからすると、あいつが片付けるんだろうな。問題は誰が嫁になるかだ。Siaはないだろうし、Cellissなら驚くけどな。吸血鬼ハイロードは相手を完全に舐めてるな。Luckが魔王殺しの件を認めるかどうか、そこが気になるところだ。ドライおじ
Boris-_-Badenov
the ending shows more people joining. there's also that woman Luck asked about last week
最後の場面で人が増えてたね。あと、先週ラックが気にしてたあの女性もいたな。普通くん
throwaccountforeason
You sure that wasn't the queen? He asked the king after he showed the princess, so I thought Luck was asking about the mother.
確かに、それって女王のことだよな?王様が王女を見せた後に聞いたんだから、ラックは母親のことを聞いてたんだと思ったわ。感情くん
runevault
Just weird to me if he wifes up someone we haven't met yet. Haven't watched the ED since the first time it showed so don't remember what all characters were in it, maybe I should go back and look...
まだ会ったこともない人と結婚するって言われたら、なんか変だなって思っちゃうよね。EDは最初に流れた時から見てないから、どんなキャラが出てたか覚えてないし、もう一回見直した方がいいかも…。普通くん
throwaccountforeason
You sure that wasn't the queen? He asked the king after he showed the princesses, so I thought Luck was asking about the mother.
王に見せられた後に「それって女王じゃなかったの?」って聞いたから、ラックは母親のこと聞いてたんだと思ったわ。感情くん
Phoenix__Wwrong
there's also that woman Luck asked about last week Which one?
先週ラックが尋ねてたあの女性もいるよ。どっちのこと?普通くん
Boris-_-Badenov
the head of the holy knights, or whatever they're called
聖騎士団のトップとか、なんて呼ばれてるか知らねえけど、マジで無理すぎるんだがッ!感情くん
darthvall
Family doesn't need to be a wife. He could be officially adopted to be Celiss brother, or even Celiss' other dad depending on which of her her imagination do you prefer
家族って妻である必要はないんだよな。セリスの兄として正式に養子になることもできるし、セリスのもう一人の父親になることもできる。彼女の想像力次第でどっちの形もあり得るだろ普通くん
runevault
Fair point but I do not see Goran adopting him, that'd be too awkward between friends. Maybe the Divine Cock will take Luck under his wing.
わかるけど、ゴランが彼を養子にするとかはないと思うんだよね、友達同士だと気まずすぎるじゃん?てか、むしろ神のドンがラックを引き取る方がありえなくない?笑ギャル
NevisYsbryd
The Divine Cock is going to teach him how to take a woman?
神のチンコが女の抱き方教えるってマ?www2ちゃん
A_gnomish_dwelf
Please. I know we are all adults. But the more you call him that, the more we look like gooners to others. Let's call him The Diviner Rooster. Gooner is the secret class.
お願いだからさ。みんな大人だってわかってるけど、ああ呼び続けると周りから変な目で見られる気がするんだよね。「予言の雄鶏」って呼ぼうよ。グーナーは秘密のクラスってことで。普通くん
aramatheis
Damn, that village got attacked by vampires AND Perfect Cell. Tough luck.
くっそ、あの村は吸血鬼とパーフェクトセルに襲われたのかよ。運がなさすぎるだろ!感情くん
szalhi
Full Party Reunion. Deleted Hold the Line. Both of them. Ghost town.
フルパーティ再結集だな。Hold the Lineは削除された。両方とも。ゴーストタウンだね。普通くん
NationalStrategy_X
Eric and Goran finally get to help their friend in battle after 10 years
エリックとゴラン、10年越しにやっと友達の戦いを手伝えるんか…感慨深いンゴねぇwww2ちゃん
mekerpan
And got to use his own send-off line to them back then against HIM now....
当時の彼自身の送り出しの台詞を、今度は彼にそのまま返すなんて……エモすぎるッ!鳥肌立ったわ!!感情くん
Background_Formal940
This story turned dark really fast and sad too
この物語、急に暗くなったね。悲しくもなったし。普通くん
CuriousBroccolli
But it was executed so well, I'm in actual awe. They already proved they can do comedy well with mix of proper story progression. It was brief, but they managed to put in a genuine well done sad moment as well. It's a really good all round show. I'm really surprised.
いや本当に驚かされた。ここまで完璧に実行されるとは。コメディと物語の進行を上手く織り交ぜられる実力は既に証明済みだったけど、短いながらも本物の悲しみのシーンをしっかり描き切ってるんだよな。全方位で質の高い作品だと言える。正直、予想を上回ってきた。考察くん
ChChChillian
原文
I really wish they'd spent more money on this one. Great episode, but there's a clear pacing issue (probably dictated by the point they want to reach for the season climax) and the animation could be a whole lot better. But these characters are very well drawn, there's lots of gentle, situational humor that doesn't rely on stupid cliches, the MC is OP without the other characters being merely decorative, and they take dangerous situations seriously and make smart decisions. I'm enjoying it a lot.
もう少しお金かけてほしかったな。良い回だったけど、明らかにテンポの問題があるし(シーズンクライマックスに向けた都合だと思うけど)、作画ももっと良くできたはず。でもキャラ描写はしっかりしてるし、バカげた定型ネタに頼らない上品で状況ベースのユーモアも多い。主人公が強すぎるけど他のキャラが飾りにならないし、危険な場面も真剣に捉えて賢い判断する。すごく楽しんでるよ。普通くん
CuriousBroccolli
Right? Super surprised by how well crafted story and characters are.
それな!まじでストーリーもキャラもクオリティ高くてびっくりしちゃったんだけど!やばくね!?ギャル
mekahamedan
I bet gerbega sama will kill that high lord Luck apologize to child skull kinda hit hard....... that world pretty harsh to life if you arent OP
ゲルベガ様がハイロード・ラックを倒すだろうな。子供の頭蓋骨に謝るシーンは結構グッときた……あの世界はチート級じゃないと生きるのが厳しいよな。普通くん
PeaceAlien
Lol, next week's title implies this fight will be easy. We didn't even get to see the hero/king do any fighting
草、来週のタイトル的にこの戦い余裕やんwww 英雄/王の戦闘シーンすら見れんかったンゴねぇ2ちゃん
justsyr
We didn't even get to see the hero/king do any fighting I hope we can get to see some, it gave me chills when they told Luck that they waited 10 years to tell him "leave this to us, and get out of here".
勇者/王様が戦うシーンが全然なかったな。次は見られるといいんだけど。ルークに「ここは俺に任せて先に行け」って伝えるために10年待ってたって言われた時は鳥肌立ったわ。普通くん
joe4553
Lord Gerberga will one shot the leader.
ガーバーガ卿がリーダーをワンパンするンゴwww2ちゃん
Rooby_VTuber
Good thinking by Luck to trick those vampires to lead him to their leader, sword right in the face was a deserved death. The legendary trio are back together. This vampire lord battle is going to be a good one by the looks of it.
吸血鬼たちを騙してリーダーのところへ案内させたラックの考えは賢いな。顔面に剣を突き刺すのは当然の報いだ。伝説のトリオが再結集したし、この吸血鬼ロード戦はなかなか見ごたえがありそうだね。普通くん
HolyDragSwd2500
AU Asta vs Liebe
AUのアスタvsリーベやばくね!?まじで神バトルじゃん!どっちも強すぎて鳥肌立ったわ!ギャル
Boris-_-Badenov
why is he worried about Luck? the dude fought demons for 10 years straight and then killed the demon king...
なんでラックのこと心配してるんだ?10年間ずっと悪魔と戦って、魔王まで倒した男だぞ…普通くん
kalirion
原文
I was wondering why all the villagers turned to dust, turns out they were turned and killing the sire also kills their progeny. Rather convenient way to wipe out vampire threats. But that would only account for the 6th Lord's vampires. I guess that's why MC is going after the High Lord - would that take out the entire species or could there be thousands of vamps not in the current High Lord's direct line of descendants? Also why were newly turned vampires just sitting at a table with empty plates, carrying baskets of fruit, etc? So, um, if all three heavy hitters are going after the high lord, then they're leaving the castle vulnerable to a vampire attacks. The two girls are certainly not enough to protect it against anything more than low levels. What if a Lord shows up? Also, the girls are vulnerable to a simple backstab by a charmed human. Well, at least they knew enough not to leave the chicken behind. Feels weird that any vampires would be vulnerable to a sleep spell, though maybe I'm just used to games where all undead are immune to that type of thing. I'm surprised Luck couldn't just nuke the 30 lords with a single spell. And that he insisted on fighting the High Lord with the sword, rather than his specialty which is magic. Couldn't he have simply used the hellfire/drain combo that he did on the Demon King?
村人たちがなぜ塵になったのか疑問だったんだが、どうやら眷属化されていて、親を倒すと子も滅びる仕組みらしい。吸血鬼の脅威を一掃するには便利な方法だな。ただ、それで倒せるのは第6卿の眷属だけだろう。だから主人公が大卿を狙っているのか——大卿を倒せば種全体が消えるのか、それとも直系の血筋に属さない吸血鬼が数千体残る可能性があるのか、気になるところだ。あと、新たに眷属化された吸血鬼たちが空の皿や果物籠を持ってテーブルに座っていたのはなぜなんだ? まあ、3人の重戦力が大卿を追うなら城は吸血鬼の襲撃に対して無防備になる。二人の少女では低ランクの相手以外を防げないだろう。卿クラスが来たらどうするんだ? さらに、魅了された人間による背後の一突きには無防備だ。少なくとも鶏を置いてこなかったのは賢明だが。スリープ魔法が吸血鬼に効くのは違和感があるな。アンデッド全般が無効化されるゲームに慣れているせいかもしれないが。ラックが単一の魔法で30人の卿を吹き飛ばせなかったのも意外だし、専門の魔法ではなく剣で大卿と戦うことに固執したのも謎だ。魔王に使った地獄の炎とドレインのコンボをそのまま使えばよかったんじゃないか?考察くん
Falsus
would that take out the entire species or could there be thousands of vamps not in the current High Lord's direct line of descendants? The Sixth lord did mention a king which to me at least sounds higher than high lord.
第六代卿が「王」って言及してたのはハイロードより上っぽいよな。つまり直系以外の吸血鬼が数千人残ってる可能性もあるってことか?それとも種全体が消えるんか?ワイ的には後者やと思うンゴwww2ちゃん
kalirion
I think they said in the show said the High Lord is basically the vampires' king, didn't they?
確か作中でハイロードは吸血鬼の王みたいな存在って言ってたよね?普通くん
Falsus
Did they make that distinction? Now I think I need to rewatch that scene.
えっ、そんな区別あったの!?マジで見逃してたわ。もう一回そのシーン見直さなきゃやばい!感情くん
kalirion
Ep 3, 21:49 - "A king of kings who controls the vampire lords. A vampire high lord!" Still, just because he rules over them doesn't mean they're all in his progeny line.
第3話21:49「吸血鬼の王たちを統べる王。吸血鬼ハイロード!」でも、彼が彼らを支配しているからといって、全員が彼の血筋ってわけじゃないんだよね。普通くん
runevault
Not necessarily the entire species unless there is only one VHL in the entire world. However it could wipe out a massive portion if not all of this country's vampires.
まあ全種族が絶滅するわけやないやろ。世界にVHLが一体しかおらんかったら別やけどな。ただ、この国のヴァンパイアほぼ全滅はあり得るで。2ちゃん
A_gnomish_dwelf
Hold Undead. A spell from AD&D 2nd edition which is still an old enough edition to be part of D&D's whole involvement as sort of grandad to fantasy videogames and JRPGs, despite otherwise being pretty young for any of the fundational editions of D&D. It is implied that his spell only affected the undead or those they tainted.
ホールド・アンデッドか。AD&D第2版の呪文だね。今のD&Dと比べると若い版だけど、ファンタジーゲームやJRPGのルーツとして関わった古い版の一つではあるんだ。この呪文はアンデッドか、その影響を受けた者にしか効かないって設定だったっぽいな。普通くん
kalirion
He didn't cast Hold Undead though, he cast Sleep Fog.
ホールド・アンデッドじゃなくてスリープ・フォッグ使ったんだよッ!そこ間違えると話が全然変わってくるからな!感情くん
Avatar_Yaksha
原文
I'm a bit late to the party, but that holy chicken took me by surprise. Is this the sequel to "Rooster Fighter"? In any case, I'm generally a fan of stories that involve a character who stays behind to stall/slay the enemy's army. Honestly, the biggest problem so far is the daughter. What was her name? Celiss? It makes sense that she thought of "Lock" as her father's secret child, but it really makes a dent in a series' quality when characters are THAT difficult to talk with! Even after having been told the truth, she just replaced one delusion with another. Well...She doesn't seem to be a bad character, just annoying to deal with.
話題に乗り遅れたけど、あの聖なるニワトリには驚かされたな。これって「Rooster Fighter」の続編なのか? どちらにせよ、俺は敵軍を食い止めるために残るキャラクターが出てくる話は全般的に好きだよ。正直、今のところ一番の問題は娘だな。名前はセリスだったっけ? 彼女が「ロック」を父の隠し子だと思ったのは分かるけど、あそこまで話が通じないキャラがいると作品の質が下がる気がする。真実を告げられた後も、妄想を別の妄想に置き換えただけだし。まあ、悪いキャラではないと思うけど、扱いにくいのは確かだな。普通くん
darthvall
It's fine since they resolved the misunderstanding very fast and made it more of a joke. I would be more annoyed if they dragged that plot.
誤解がすぐ解けて笑い話になったからいいけど、あれを引っ張られたらマジでイライラしてたわ。感情くん
shadebug
Look, I can see the ED as well as anybody. I know this isn’t a final battle but the next episode title is making me think the battle’s barely going to be a cold open
ワイもED見てるから分かっとるで。最終決戦ちゃうのは分かっとるンゴ。でも次回のタイトル見たら、戦闘が冷めたオープニングで始まるんちゃうかって思うわwww2ちゃん
BBryant3rd
Lol loved when Luck said oh nice sword gimmie. Luck sure loves to Sparta kick open doors.
笑ったわ、ラックが「おっ、いい剣だな、くれ」って言ったところ最高だった。ラックは本当にドアをスパルタキックで蹴破るの好きだよな。普通くん