PencilgonGiveIt2Ya
BECAUSE OF THE NOISES IS CRAZY ༼;´༎ຶ ༎ຶ༽
ノイズがやばすぎるw ༼;´༎ຶ ༎ຶ༽普通くん
Frontier246
The best little sisters know when to make themselves scarce so their big brother can get to banging lol.
なるほど、良き妹とは兄の闘いの時を見極め、影に潜む者…我が目は確かにその光景を捉えたのだ。中二病
PencilgonGiveIt2Ya
You right, because lil bro would try and be in the room for research purposes lol
確かに、弟くんは研究目的って言って部屋に居ようとするもんな笑普通くん
Tama47_
I'm surprised she didn't do a "Good Morning, My Brother" scene lol.
「おはよう、お兄ちゃん」シーンがなくて草www2ちゃん
testthrowawayzz
Namika 🤝 Kaju 🤝 Yuki
なみか、かじゅ、ゆき……まあ悪くない組み合わせだな。ドライおじ
Tama47_
Eh, I don't think she's quite on those two level, yet.
うーん、あの二人と比べるのはまだ早いんじゃないかな。普通くん
PeaceAlien
Natsuki just blurted out and yelled that he came from the future while he was still with Nanase. I guess it means nothing, though. Finally learning about Hikari. But Natuski still likes both girls? I figured this alone time would win him over, guess not.
夏樹よ…まさかナナセの前で未来から来たなどと叫ぶとは。その言葉が意味を持たぬと知りつつも…光の正体が明かされたか。されど夏樹の心は二人の少女を秤にかけたまま。我が読みでは、この二人きりの時が彼の運命を決すると思っていたのだが…まだ混沌は続くようだな。中二病
Frontier246
Yuino: “Haibara-kun, you’re quite the character.” I feel like this episode did a great job of developing Hikari as a romantic interest, but I’m glad they’re not invalidating Uta and her efforts.
「灰原くん、君はなかなかのキャラクターだな」——この回、ヒカリを恋愛対象としてしっかり描きつつも、詩の努力を無碍にしなかったのは見事でござる。某、感服致した。武士
MM305
原文
Uta’s effort must have really did paid off for him to think about as an option. It’s a battle of not wanting to turn down some Ron so sweet and has been very foward and affectionate towards you VERSIS not wanting to turn the course of your original crush now that you know more about her. Then there’s Miori, someone who was a long Natsuki as an option, and is now feeling jealousy over him getting actual points with a girl.
ウタの努力が実を結んで、彼が選択肢として本気で考え始めたんだろうな。「こんなにストレートで愛情深いロン(ロン=彼女)を断りたくない」VS「元々の片思い相手のことをもっと知った今、その流れを変えたくない」という葛藤が描かれている。そしてミオリは、元々ナツキをただの選択肢の一つとして見ていたのに、彼が実際に女の子とポイントを稼いでいるのを見て嫉妬し始めている。この三角関係の構図、制作陣の意図が読めるな。考察くん
Frontier246
Miori suffering from her own success as a wingwoman.
ミオリが恋愛指南役として成功しすぎて、自分が苦しんでるの笑うわ普通くん
avboden
Nanase knows him as a weird nerd and will just assume it's his typical delusions
確かに。七瀬からしたらただの変なオタクって認識だし、いつもの妄想だと思うよなw感情くん
Curious_Award_1480
原文
I think I'm satisfied with Hoshimiya finally having her arc, first staying the night with Natsuki, her interactions with him and his sister, recognising and appreciating the parallel between herself and Natsuki, and fully standing up to her father. Now it makes sense why Hoshimiya contacted Natsuki early in the season regarding Tatsuya's jealousy; she could relate, which did suprise me. Looks like the love triangle is finally being recognised by Natsuki, and its clear he likes both Hoshimiya and Uta, Uta likes him, Uta knows he likes someone else, and possibly Hoshimiya recognises he likes Uta, at best Hoshmiya know he likes someone else also. Ultimately, these last few episodes are going to tackle this, with the next episode seeming like a follow-up to the scene in the opening with the fireworks at the beach. I do think we still need to address Miori's feelings after she saw Uta kiss Natsuki, and I'm still waiting for Natsuki to join the school band; I want to see our boy shred
星宮の話がようやく来て満足だよ。ナツキと初めて泊まったり、兄妹との交流、自分とナツキの相似に気づいて父親に立ち向かったシーンは良かった。今シーズン序盤で星宮がタツヤの嫉妬についてナツキに連絡したのも納得だわ、彼女自身が共感できる立場だったんだな、それは意外だった。
どうやら三角関係がついにナツキにも認識されたみたい。彼が星宮とウタの両方に気があるのは明らかで、ウタは彼を好き、ウタは彼に他の好きな人がいるのを知ってる。星宮も彼がウタを好きだと気づいてるか、少なくとも他に好きな人がいるのは認識してる感じ。次の数話でこの問題が扱われるだろうな。次回はOPの花火シーンの続きっぽいし。
ただミオリがウタのキスを見た後の気持ちもまだ描かれてないし、ナツキが学校のバンドに入るのも待ってるんだよ。あいつがギターをかき鳴らすところが見たいんだ。普通くん
Frontier246
原文
Honestly biggest twist of the series was the fact that even Hikari was turned-off by "cool hot guy" Natsuki in the first few episodes. Despite getting along with him it was probably just "acting" and not her genuinely being interested, because she only started liking him when she realized they were the same and seeing his true self. Would Hikari hold herself back from pursuing something with Natsuki so as to not upset Uta?
このシリーズ最大のどんでん返しは、最初の数話でヒカリが「クールでイケメン」なナツキに全く惹かれていなかった点だと思われる。表面上は打ち解けていたものの、それは単なる「演技」であり、彼女が本当に興味を持ったのは、自分たちが同じ人間だと気づき、彼の本当の姿を見た時からだという考察ができる。ヒカリはウタを悲しませないよう、ナツキとの関係を自ら抑制している可能性もある。考察くん
Chemical_Ad4657
Right?? I didn't expect that either. This revelation completely changes the premise of Hikari calling Natsuki about Tatsuya early in the season
それな!俺も全然予想してなかったわ。この展開で、序盤でヒカリが夏希にタツヤのこと電話してた前提が完全に変わっちゃうね普通くん
Curious_Award_1480
原文
I think Hoshimiya might hold herself back, although Uta is still willing to pursue Natsuki despite recognising his feelings for someone else. If anything, Hoshimiya shouldn't hold herself back, otherwise that would go completely against this arc for her: Old Her definitely would hold back as she herself explained, Current Her shouldn't and desrves to make herself happy, ultimately the choice comes down to Natsuki. When it comes to love triangles, I hope they avoid the cliche of one girl pushing Natsuki to the other, only for Natsuki to choose the other later on. His culmination better be manning up and properly choosing one
星宮は自分を抑えているように見えるな。一方、詩は夏樹が別の誰かを想っていると認識しながらも、積極的にアプローチを続けている。むしろ星宮は自己抑制すべきではない。なぜなら、それは彼女の今の成長アークに完全に反するからだ。彼女自身が説明していたように、過去の彼女なら確かに引いていただろうが、今の彼女はそうすべきではなく、自分自身の幸せを追求する価値がある。最終的な選択権は夏樹にある。三角関係の描き方として、よくある「片方が夏樹を他方に押し付けて、結局夏樹がもう一方を選ぶ」というベタな展開は避けてほしい。夏樹にはきちんと男を見せて、しっかり一人を選び切ってほしいところだ。考察くん
Zxzxzx0088
原文
Although the character design this episode a bit hit-or-miss , it never failed to deliver at the right moment , eh (˵ ¬ᴗ¬˵) Hikari's hikaris "sugoi dekai" ?! Pretty daring of Hikari to not just sleep together with Natsuki in same room (instead of in his sis room), telling she likes him as friend with a little pause, wake him up with glasses "megane" (supposely her real self), not locking the door while changing , cleaned herself first, and teasing each other on same bed...Gotta say, she's totally making up all the points to catch up to Uta, eh... That's .... so considerate of her *Bonk* Natsuki just upgrade from being light novel protagonist to eroge protagonist by his lil sis lol. Daddy takes 100 damage ...
まあ作画は今イチなとこもあったけど、肝心な場面はしっかり決めてたな。光の「すごいデカイ」発言とか、わざわざ同室で寝る選択とか、友達宣言の間の取り方とか…メガネかけて起こすとこなんか本気出してる感じだよな。着替えの鍵もかけず、先に風呂済ませて、ベッドで弄り合うとか。完全に歌に追いつこうとしてるんだろうな。夏希は妹のおかげでライトノベル主人公からエロゲ主人公に昇格したわけだ。親父には100ダメージ。ドライおじ
Frontier246
Honestly at this point it's hard to tell if Hikari is intentionally or unintentionally being flirty and she might not even know what she's doing lol.
正直もう、ヒカリがわざとやってるのか無意識なのか判断つかないよね。本人も自覚してなさそうで草。普通くん
Chemical_Ad4657
Either hikari is the biggest flirt or she's never had any male friends. Theres no in between
ヒカリ、マジで女たらしすぎるか、男友達ゼロかのどっちかだろw 中間はねえわ笑wwwおじ
Curious_Award_1480
Based on her father, most definitely the latter
父親を見る限り、絶対後者だね普通くん
oxlemf10
原文
I always find the humor of breaking the fourth wall funny; it's not like Natsuki said it, his sister also decided to say it, lol. This had already been highlighted in the previous episode, but it was only when Hikari said it that I realized how similar her and Natsuki's paths were up to high school, with the difference that she sought to recognize that she couldn't be perfect, or rather, that she shouldn't be ashamed of what she went through to get to that point. That's the kind of development and maturity that, for someone her age, is sensational. Well, although the conclusion wasn't clear, I imagine Hikari will resolve things with her father, and her honesty in admitting that she doesn't like him was perhaps what made him realize that he only had more to lose in this situation.
メタ発言の笑いのセンスはいつも秀逸だよな。ナツキだけでなく妹も言っちゃうってのがまた(笑)。前回も似たような描写はあったけど、ヒカリが口にしたことで初めて気づいたんだが、彼女とナツキの中学までの道のりってかなり類似してるんだよな。違いはヒカリが「完璧でなくていい」、むしろ「そこに至るまでの過程を恥じる必要はない」と認識した点だ。あの年齢でその気づきと成長は驚異的と言える。結論はまだ明確じゃないが、ヒカリは父親との問題を解決するんだろう。そして「父親を好きじゃない」と正直に認めたことで、父自身もこの状況で失うものの大きさに気づいたんじゃないかという考察ができる。考察くん
Frontier246
The Haibara siblings share a single brain cell for manga and self-aware commentary lol. Natsuki and Hikari are both kids who were gloomy and unpopular and basically reinvented themselves without losing that core aspect of who they are. Though I find the more natural, "real," Hikari the most attractive version of herself.
灰原姉弟は漫画と自覚的なツッコミに使う脳細胞を一つだけ共有してる感じだな笑。夏希とヒカリはどっちも暗くて人気なかった子供で、核の部分は失わずに自分を再構築したんだよね。でも個人的には、より自然で"リアル"なヒカリが一番魅力的だと思う。普通くん
avboden
"when did I become the LN protagonist?" oh gee, idk, maybe when you time leaped?
「いつから俺がラノベ主人公になったんだよ」ってまじかよw タイムリープしたあたりからじゃね?wwwwwwおじ
Shark032_
Bro please stop with the “i like both” 😭
「どっちも好き」ってのはもうやめてくれよマジで😭普通くん
blahblahblah929-_
原文
Hikari is a good friend to natsuki, can't imagine as his girlfriend while Uta and miori looks much better. Hikari have no possessiveness or attachment. When other girls interact romantic with natsuki, Hikari don't care or nothing. Its sad at end ,this mc gonna fall over her completely by 2-3 scenes were other fmc are much better as couple. Hosimiya and natsuki dynamic are good friends. I want miori or Uta to win this hopefully.
この展開、キャラクター間の関係性を深く考察すると面白いな。ヒカリは夏希にとって良き友人で、嫉妬や独占欲がなく、他のヒロインが夏希と親しくしても動じない。この点で、恋人としては宇田や美織の方が相性が良いように思える。最終的に主人公が数シーンでヒカリに惹かれる展開は、伏線としては弱いと感じる。星宮と夏希の関係は友人として成立している。個人的には美織か宇田に勝ってほしいというのが本音だ。考察くん
FarCritical
Thought the little sister was being a real one for offering her bed until she dropped "because of the noises" lmao. Good for Uta to have a non-zero fighting chance after all.
妹がベッド譲るって言った時は「いい妹やん!」って思ったけど「物音がするから」で草生えたわwww これでウタもワンチャン勝負できるようになったな2ちゃん
Frontier246
原文
Thought the little sister was being a real one for offering her bed until she dropped "because of the noises" lmao. She was still being a real one! She didn't want to be a bother while her brother sealed the deal lol. Good for Uta to have a non-zero fighting chance after all. Honestly getting acknowledged that he likes her as much as he likes Hikari is more than most love rivals get. Especially considering how much he held onto his feelings for Hikari across two timelines.
妹が自分のベッドを譲ると言った時はいい子だと思ったけど、その理由が「音がうるさいから」で笑った。それでも十分いい妹だよ!兄貴が決める時に邪魔したくなかったんだな。ウタにもようやくチャンスができて良かった。正直、ヒカリと同じくらい好きだと認められただけでも、大抵の恋敵よりマシだよ。特に2つのタイムラインにわたってヒカリへの想いを抱え続けてきたことを考えるとな。普通くん
MM305
原文
And here we finally have our pro-Hikari episode. It seems more than likely than the rejection the first time around was more about her father’s restriction than it was not being attracted to Haibara (especially since she would know he was like her once with the nerdy image). And now, it seems we are getting to our official 2 girl battle with her and Uta soon, with Miori needing to step up and admit her feelings to guy and not shoot him away constantly (which can happen of she seems him hanging out with more girls).
ようやくヒカリ推し回が来たな。最初の告白が断られたのは、灰原に魅力を感じなかったというより、父親の制限が大きかった可能性が高い(特に彼女自身もかつてはオタクだった灰原の立場を理解しているはずだし)。そして今、ウタとの正式な2人のヒロイン争いが始まりそうだ。美織もそろそろ本気で灰原に気持ちを伝えるか、彼を遠ざけるのをやめるべきだと思う(他の女の子と楽しそうにしているのを見たら、動き出すかもしれないが)。考察くん
Frontier246
原文
I think this definitely puts to bed the idea that she rejected him because he wasn't conventionally attractive. She never would have cared about that because she was the same way back when she was a kid. She didn't even seem to actually like the version of him that was trying to act cool in the earlier episodes. I'm curious how Hikari is going to act now. I think she is slowly falling for Natsuki, and finds him attractive, but she's never felt that way about someone and she also has to consider Uta's feelings. And then there's Miori who probably none of them except Reita might see coming.
「お前がイケメンじゃないから振った」って説はこれで完全に終わったな。彼女自身が子供の頃同じだったし、そんなの気にするタイプじゃないわ。むしろ最初の方でカッコつけてた夏希のこと、あんま好きじゃなさそうだったしな。光がこれからどう動くか気になるわ。徐々に夏希に惹かれてるけど、初めての感情で戸惑ってるし、詩の気持ちも考えないといけないしな。そして美織…レイタ以外は誰も気づいてなさそうで草。2ちゃん
ThisGachaSeemsLegit
That dad's a real piece of sh―... of work! WORK ! My keyboard slipped
あの父親、マジでクソすぎる…って言おうとしたらキーボード滑ったわ!WORKだWORK!普通くん
Frontier246
Hikari is inevitably going to project all her dad baggage into her novels at some point. The perks of being a writer!
光が父親コンプを小説にぶち込む未来しか見えへんわw
それが作家ってもんやな!草2ちゃん
D3k4s
One would think that there are no Fathers like that. But one would be wrong, this episode and the previous one gave me PTSD from my Teen days. My gf father was just like this. And guess what? After almost 10 years his daughter barely talks to him. Anyway very nice episode, this series so far has delivered!
こんな父親いないと思うかもしれないけど、実際いるんだよな。この回と前回で自分の10代を思い出してトラウマになったわ。元カノの父親がまさにこんな感じだった。で、どうなったかって?10年近く経った今、娘はほとんど口きいてないよ。でも今回の話は良かった。このシリーズ、今のところずっと当たりだね!普通くん
Frontier246
Honestly I really don't think the dad was prepared for her to straight up say she hated him. Like, that's when you know you've failed as a parent.
マジで父親、娘に「嫌い」ってストレートに言われると思ってなかったんじゃないかな…。それって親として完全に失敗したって認める瞬間すぎるッ!しんどい…。感情くん
D3k4s
I thought he was gonna slap her or something. Usually these type's of parents use violence when they don't like what they hear.
親が娘に手を上げるのかと思ったわ。こういうタイプの親って普通、気に入らない話を聞くと暴力に走るからね。普通くん
HuTaosTwinTails
No Uta means a good episode. Stop with this "I like them both" nonsense. His little sister is MVP of the episode though.
草、No Utaの回は神回確定やろ。「両方好き」とかいうクソ無難なコメントはやめろやwww
でも妹が今週のMVPやったわ、ガチで。2ちゃん
Chemical_Ad4657
We Stan namika
ナミカ推すわ普通くん
MarMarL2k19
原文
Okay, fine, I get it, your father raised you like this, so it's logical you don't know a different way to raise your daughter. You had an example and followed it becauze it worked for YOU. But no matter what you say before or after "My dad did the same thing, so it's okay", you're still a terrible parent. And you know what? I have met parents like this, and for Hikari's own wellbeing in the future, I hope she cuts ties with him when she's living her own life. Emotional abuse and overbearing control is no joke
ワイの親父もそうだったからセーフとか言ってるけど、それ親として終わってるやろ。光のためにも、大人になったら縁切った方がええで。精神的虐待と過干渉は冗談じゃ済まされへん。2ちゃん
One-Spare-798
I need Namika aka the lil sister focused episode, please.
なみかちゃんこと妹ちゃんのエピソードが欲しすぎるッ!絶対必要だよ!感情くん
Tama47_
We are getting a Kaju route with this one.
やばくね!?これカジュー(花珠)ルート来てるじゃん!!まじでテンション上がるわ〜!ギャル
septesix
That was a lot of exposition from Hoshimiya in 30 minutes. I think she has more line in this one episode than the previous 7 combined. It’s also just really interesting to know that Hoshimiya has also reinvented herself in a way, although her motivations was very different than Haibara’s. In a way , the two of them are really kindred spirits.
星見が30分でめっちゃ説明してたな。今回の1話で過去7話分のセリフ量超えてそう。星見も自分を再構築してきたってわかって面白かったし、動機は灰原とは全然違うけど、ある意味二人はすごく似た者同士だと思う。普通くん
Frontier246
Legitimately this episode feels like the first time we've (and Natsuki) really seen Hikari Hoshimiya, the real Hikari Hoshimiya, from beginning to end.
ガチで今回のエピソード、初めてワイらも夏希も「本物の星宮ヒカリ」ってやつを最初から最後まで見せてもらった気がするンゴwww2ちゃん
SYZekrom
Something about his little sister just screams adorable to me every time she shows up even though she doesn't particularly do much for me to feel that way Ok well right after I said that she has a scene to give her some personality
彼の妹、出てくるたびにめっちゃ可愛いんだよな。特に何かすごいことするわけじゃないのに。あ、でもさっき言った直後に彼女の個性が出るシーンがあったわ。普通くん
Frontier246
Something about his little sister just screams adorable to me every time she shows up even though she doesn't particularly do much for me to feel that way Also she looks really nice in that outfit (especially in those shorts).
妹キャラが出てくるたびに「可愛い!」って感じるんだよな。特に目立った行動をしてるわけじゃないのに、この魅力は何なんだろう。あと、あの服装(特にショートパンツ)がすごく似合ってる。キャラデザインの細かい部分に制作陣のこだわりを感じる。考察くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Hoshimiya route has begun
星見谷ルートが始まったね普通くん
hammile
Hoshimiya: After bath In her underwear
星宮「風呂上がりに下着姿」
これはやばいやろ…ワイの心臓がもたんンゴwww2ちゃん
Frontier246
Hikari has some nice legs and really looks nice in her underwear!
光莉の脚めっちゃ綺麗だし、下着姿もめっちゃ似合ってるよね!普通くん
JamesLmagic
原文
considering how chain hikari felt is no wonder we saw so little of her in the early episodes but this really did close the distance between her and natsuki. and help her come more into her own and probably explain the first time line rejection since she her self said she didn't like natsuki at first I wonder what natsuki will do cause he obviously like hikari but has now admit to liking uta. and there miori feelings in the mix
なるほどな、チェイン・ヒカリの気持ち考えたら序盤であんま出番なかったのも納得やわ。でも今回のエピでナツキとの距離縮まったのはデカいな。ヒカリ自身も最初はナツキのこと好きじゃなかったって言ってたし、これで最初のタイムライン拒否の理由も分かった気がするわ。
で、問題はナツキやろ。明らかにヒカリのこと好きやのに、今度はウタも好きって認めたんやろ?しかもミオリの気持ちも絡んでくるし、どうすんねんこれwww2ちゃん
Frontier246
A lot of things make more sense now. Why Hikari just felt like a shallow cute girl (because she was acting the part), why she was out of the plot so much (her dad and the fact that she wasn't actually into Natsuki at the time), and why she rejected him in the first place.
なるほど、いろいろ納得できたわ。ヒカリがただの浅い可愛い子にしか見えなかった理由(演技してたから)、プロットから外れてることが多かった理由(父親のこととか、当時はナツキに本当に気があったわけじゃなかったから)、そして最初に告白を断った理由もね。普通くん
JamesLmagic
原文
part of me is still a bit convinced hikari is also a time traveller like natsuki, but considering how tied down she was it make sense why she put up the act in the first place and why she was putting so much distance between natsuki and even the rest of them. not only to please her father but to also keep some distance from natsuki who is a reminder of what she herself is doing. and to prevent herself from feeling upset when her father would take it away glad she able to stand up to her father and find her voice and grow to understand natsuki better and vice versa it ironic even though natsuki is struggling between her and uta the girl who has the most attention is hikari and miori don't get me wrong uta is still swinging strong against natsuki but consider with what happened this arc and there past life and miori being his sign post this life uta has some ground to make up
ヒカリもナツキと同じタイムトラベラーなんじゃね?ってまだちょっと思ってるンゴwww
でもあそこまで縛られてたなら、最初にああいう態度取ってたのも、ナツキ含め全員と距離置いてたのも納得やわ。
父親を喜ばせるためだけじゃなくて、自分がやってることの象徴みたいなナツキとは距離置きたかったんやろな。そんで父親に奪われる時に悲しまないように。
父親に立ち向かって自分の意見言えるようになって、ナツキのこと理解していくのはマジで良かったわ。逆もまた然りやけど。
皮肉なのは、ナツキがヒカリとウタの間で揺れてるのに、一番注目されてるのがヒカリとミオリってとこやな。
ウタもナツキに対して強気に来てるのは間違いないけど、今回の話と前世のこと、そしてミオリが今世の道標になってることを考えると、ウタはまだ挽回しないとアカンと思うわ。2ちゃん
Soggy-Pay-2700
Hikari standing her ground is impressive considering controlling that father can be, these past 2 episodes have definitely made me appreciate her more. Her arc was much needed. On a different note, another episode this week where imouto got more screentime after Wakana from Love Game, between them and the little sisters from Ponkotsu there are good imoutos this season.
光が父親の支配に屈せずに立ち向かう姿は本当に印象的だったな。この2話で彼女への評価が確実に上がったよ。彼女の成長エピソードは必要だったと思う。そういえば今週は他にも妹の出番が多いエピソードがあったね。ラブゲームのワカナといい、ポンコツの妹たちといい、今期は良い妹キャラが多い。普通くん
Frontier246
Hikari is at her most attractive when she's her genuine, natural, self with Natsuki. She's still cute (and busty), but she's also much more relatable and human.
光がナツキといるときの自然体が一番魅力的やわ。もちろん可愛いしスタイルもええけど、それ以上に人間味あって共感できるンゴwww2ちゃん
mojo72400
Which imouto from PonSuka?
ポンスカの中ではどの妹?普通くん
Soggy-Pay-2700
Both little sisters of the mc and fmc
確かに!主人公とヒロインの妹キャラ、どっちも可愛すぎて無理ッ!!感情くん
IceSmiley
原文
Hoshimiya did a great job standing up to her father and I think she really got him by saying that she and her mom didn't love him. I wonder if he'll reflect on that since he's a very arrogant domineering man, Either way, Hoshimiya can do what she wants after she's done with high school and Haibara really helped her a lot. I wonder how Hoshimiya turned out in the other timeline, like maybe she never did stand up to him. I definitely think Hoshimiya was lying when she said she didn't like Haibara at first. She immediately took a pic with him and got his contact info in the first episode. She also clearly based the character in her novel on him and it's not like she wrote it the moment after she supposedly saw he was nice. I don't think there was a time in this timeline when she didn't like him. I was surprised when Haibara said he only liked 2 girls, I also thought he liked the black haired girl.
星宮が父親に立ち向かって「あなたのこと愛してない」って言ったのは良かったな。あの傲慢な父親がそれで反省するかはわかんないけど、高校卒業後は星宮は好きにできるし、灰原くんの助けも大きかった。別のタイムラインの星宮はどうなってるんだろう、父親に反抗しなかったパターンもあるのかな。最初は灰原くんのこと好きじゃなかったって言ってたけど、あれ絶対嘘だよね。第一話でいきなり写真撮って連絡先交換してるし、小説のキャラも明らかに彼モデルにしてるし。このタイムラインで彼のこと嫌いだった時期なんて一度もなかったと思う。あと灰原くんが「好きになったのは2人だけ」って言ったのは意外だった、黒髪の子も好きだと思ってたわ。普通くん
PinSingle4334
Miori said multiple times she's into his friend ( even is clearly fake ) so I think he canceled, for now, any possible sentiment towards her
ミオリが何度も「友達がタイプ」って言ってたし(明らかに嘘だけど)、だから今は彼女への気持ちを一旦リセットしたんだと思う。切なすぎるッ!感情くん
Chemical_Ad4657
Well there /was/ a ~4 episode vacuum (~3 months passage of time chronologically?) between then and when Natsu outed himself where Hikari never really showed up. It's totally possible but hard to believe without any actual narrative / depiction of how Natsuki actually went through Hikari's head over that time.
確かに、ナツがカミングアウトするまで約4話(作中では3ヶ月程度?)の空白期間があって、その間ヒカリはほとんど登場しなかったんだよな。その期間にナツキがどうやってヒカリのことを考え抜いたのか、具体的な描写や語りがないと、可能性としてはあり得るけど信じるのは難しいという考察ができる。考察くん
djthomp
原文
Typical overbearing father, I'm a little surprised he folded so easily after Hikari spent a few days having ran away from home and one instance of her standing up to him. I had to laugh when Hikari showed that picture to Haibara and it was just her younger self with glasses but otherwise not particularly different. At first I was surprised they didn't do quick fanservice shot of Hikari in the shower but of course we had the standard walk in scene shortly afterwards, though that was probably inevitable when she was literally sleeping in Haibara's room at night.
典型的な過保護な父親だな。光が家出して数日経って、一度だけ反抗しただけで簡単に折れたのはちょっと意外だったわ。光が灰原に見せた写真がただのメガネかけた昔の自分で、特に変わってなかったのは笑った。最初は光のシャワーシーンで安易なファンサービスがないのに驚いたけど、もちろんその後すぐに標準的な入ってくるシーンがあったよね。でも夜に灰原の部屋で寝てたらあれは避けられなかったか。普通くん
Frontier246
原文
At first I was surprised they didn't do quick fanservice shot of Hikari in the shower but of course we had the standard walk in scene shortly afterwards, though that was probably inevitable when she was literally sleeping in Haibara's room at night. Honestly this show had been pretty tame by romcom standards but they couldn't help themselves when Natsuki walked in on her. Points for not freaking out or beating him up over it! Just teasing him about staring too long (which he kind of did) lol.
最初は「おいおいシャワーシーンでファンサービスやらんのかよ」って思ったけど、すぐに定番の入ってくるシーン来たンゴねw 実際ヒカリが灰原の部屋で寝てる時点で不可避やったわ。この作品今までロマコメ基準で割と大人しかったのに、夏樹が入ってきた時は我慢できんかったんやな。パニックにならずに殴らなかったのは評価できるわ。ただ「長く見すぎやで」って弄るだけって草、確かに見てたしなw2ちゃん
ObvsThrowaway5120
I’m glad Hikari stood up to her dad. Every parent wants their kid to have a happy and successful life, but stripping them of their free will and stubbornly refusing to listen to single word they say ain’t the way. Hopefully he listens to her and actually eases up on the toxic controlling bullshit.
ヒカリがお父さんに立ち向かって良かったよ。親が子供の幸せや成功を願うのはわかるけど、自由意志を奪って一言も聞かないってのは違うだろ。彼がちゃんと聞いて、あの毒親コントロールを緩めてくれるといいな。普通くん
Frontier246
I hope Hikari’s dad can turn things around, not just for her sake but for his family as whole since it sounds like his wife hates him too.
光のパパにはなんとか立ち直ってほしい……娘のためにも、家族全体のためにも。奥さんにも嫌われてるっぽいし、もうこれ以上崩れるの見てられないよ……しんどい。感情くん
mojo72400
The preview looks like he's saying yes to letting Hikari go to the beach.
えっ、プレビュー見た感じ、光ちゃんをビーチに行かせるってOKしてるっぽくない!?やばくね笑ギャル
Mons9090
It wouldve been nice if asuka from chitose is in the ramune bottle did something in a similar capacity to this. I mean this was way better than the 2nd prettiest girl ep this week. Miori is still best girl though even though ik hoshimiya is the main girl
確かに、『千歳くんはラムネ瓶のなか』の明日香にも、これと同様の役割で動いてほしかったな。今週の「2番目に可愛い女の子」回より、こっちの方がずっと良かったという考察ができる。とはいえ、星宮がメインヒロインだと分かっていても、美織がベストガールだという点は揺るがない。考察くん
Luiiss26
It's funny to know that Hoshimiya didn't even like Haibara until three episodes ago, haha. What's even funnier is that Haibara is into two girls. 😆
やばくない!?星宮、3話前まで灰原のこと好きじゃなかったんだって笑 しかも灰原が2人の女の子に興味あるのまじウケる😆ギャル
blahblahblah929-_
原文
Simple. Haibara is a simple obsessed with Hikari as love interest and other's were practically getting fooled at end. Whatever author makes,Hikari and natsuki dynamic is a good healthy friendship level and its nice to be like that. Miori is best choice for Haibara since she is the one who can he share his issues and also he developed. Idk about Uta,but she is definitely better than one who is not interested as natsuki with romantic.
シンプルに言うと、灰原くんはヒカリに恋愛感情で執着してて、他の人は最後には騙されてた感じだね。作者がどう描こうと、ヒカリとナツキの関係は健全な友情レベルで、それが良いと思う。ミオリは灰原くんにとってベストな選択だよ。悩みを共有できるし、彼も成長したしね。ウタについてはわからないけど、少なくともナツキみたいに恋愛に興味ない相手よりはマシじゃん。普通くん
ptd163
原文
First Lyric and now Namika. We always stan based little sisters here. Especially when they drop lines like "Should I sleep in the living room because of the noises?" I was actually surprised that Hikari was turned off Natsuki's "cool hot guy that's good at everything" act. You don't see that a lot. Especially from who is assumed to be the main heroine. Standing up her father was huge for her and given what we learned in this episode it's interesting to look back and realize that the girl that Natsuki was pining so hard for in the original timeline was nothing more than an act. I think Uta is kind of the villain here. I get she's a high school girl shooting her shot, but she knows Natsuki likes someone else and is still pursuing him. I feel most bad for Miori. She caught feelings while wingwomaning Natsuki and probably won't stop lying to herself until it's too late.
まずLyric、そして今回のNamika。我々はここで芯の通った妹キャラを常に推している。特に「物音でリビングで寝ようか?」みたいなセリフをかました時はな。HikariがNatsukiの「何でもできるクールなイケメン」という仮面に幻滅したのは意外だった。こういう展開は珍しい。特にメインヒロインと目されるキャラだと尚更だ。父親に立ち向かった彼女の行動は大きな成長であり、今回判明した事実を踏まえると、元のタイムラインでNatsukiが必死に追いかけていた少女は単なる演技だったという考察ができる。Utaはある意味ヴィラン的ポジションだと思う。高校生が恋に一直線なのは理解できるが、彼が他の誰かを好きだと知りながら追いかけるのはどうか。最も気の毒なのはMioriだ。Natsukiの恋愛を応援する内に自分も恋に落ちてしまい、手遅れになるまで自分に嘘をつき続けるのだろう。考察くん
mojo72400
Tatsuya ain't giving up after bring rejected.
えっ、タツヤが振られたくらいで諦めるわけないじゃん!まじでその執念やばくない?笑ギャル
Dizzy_Long209
From wich anime is Lyric?
拙者、そのLyricがどのアニメのものか存じませぬ。教えて頂けると有り難く候。武士
ptd163
The Klutzy Class Monitor and the Girl with the Short Skirt.
クラス委員のドジっ子とミニスカの女の子…この組み合わせ優勝すぎるッ!感情くん
Frontier246
原文
Natsuki could never imagine he would have to have his crush over after she ran away from home...but look where we are no! "When did I become a light novel protagonist!?" - From episode 1, dude! Hikari is in a boys' room for the first time and Natsuki has Hikari in his room. Perfect time for Hikari to see just how much of a nerd he is with all his "Maruto" manga (is he a fan of Moruto: The Next Generation?) which he shares with his sister...who catches him in his room alone with a cute girl. Yeah, I'm not surprised Namika would get some ideas. Namika is a good little sister! She just rolls with Hikari staying over and is totally there to support her brother! She'll even give him space in case he and Hikari get busy. Is this a light novel or an eroge? Make your mind, Haibara-kun! Hard to have clean, impure, thoughts about having Hikari over when you see her fresh out of your shower in her cute PJ's that show off her legs! I can understand why Hikari finally had enough if her dad really told her she couldn't write OR be with her friends. She was tired of being her fathers' puppet and being denied the chance to be the person she really is, rather than the one she pretended to be to avoid him being mad at her. She was just a scared little girl trying to make her father approve of her, but he'll never really approve of her the way things are now. And more than anything, she wants to be a true author. Wait, Hikari actually didn't like the version of Natsuki from the early episodes? She hid it really well. But finding out that he's a lot like her, someone trying to figure out their identity while facing a gloomy, glasses, past self has made her appreciate and become fonder of him. Even if she still likes him about as much as she likes the entire friend group. Is there a better way to wake up than with Hikari in glasses looking at you while you're in bed? Gotta make sure the little sister doesn't catch you flirting though! This was worth it just so Natsuki could get to see Hikari in her underwear! Hikari is going to fight her father with the only weapon she has: her writing. If they're both people who love books and stories, it's the only way she has to make him take her seriously. And she's got Natsuki as some solid backup! Yeah, I can imagine Yuino would be upset her best friend relied on a boy instead of her, but Yuino will still do everything within her power to support Hikari. That's why she's worth fangirling over. "Maki Shiratani?" - Why does that idol in Yuino's room look like an older Hikari? Was the male lead in Hikari's novel based on Natsuki? Her vehement denials say "yes," but she still needs to get to know Natsuki better to write a better guy in her story. Even if that means getting ALL the deets about himself, his feelings, and his taste in girls. Does Hikari think he like Uta though? Admittedly he IS torn between her and Hikari. They got the novel ready in time for confronting her dad! Hikari is through being her fathers' puppet, because what has following her grandpa's way of life gotten him? Successful businessman but he and his wife don't get along well and Hikari hates him. Is this really the life he wants? It's definitely not the life Hikari wants. And she's finally ready to make him accept the life SHE wants. And hopefully she can succeed! Natsuki is definitely rooting against her dad.
夏希がまさか家出してきたヒカリを部屋に泊めるなんて想像できなかっただろうな…でも現実はこうだ!「いつから俺、ラノベ主人公になったんだ?」って第1話から言ってるよな。ヒカリが初めて男の部屋に入って、しかも夏希の部屋。彼の「マルト」マンガ(もしかして『モルト:ネクストジェネレーション』のファン?)でオタク全開なところを見せる絶好のタイミング。妹の奈美花が部屋に女の子と二人きりのところを目撃…そりゃ勘繰られるわな。奈美花は良い妹だ!ヒカリが泊まるのも受け入れて、兄貴を応援してる。二人の邪魔もしないように気遣ってくれるし。これラノベ?エロゲ?どっちだよ灰原くん!ヒカリがシャワー上がりで可愛いパジャマ姿、脚も見えてる状態だと清い心でいられないだろ。父親に「書くのも友達と遊ぶのもダメ」って言われたらヒカリも我慢の限界だよな。父親の操り人形でいるのに疲れたんだ。本当の自分を隠して生きてきたけど、もう嫌なんだ。彼女はただ父親に認められたかっただけの怖がりな少女。でも今のままじゃ永遠に認められない。何より本当の作家になりたいんだ。そういやヒカリ、初期の夏希のこと実は好きじゃなかったんだな。よく隠してたな。でも自分と同じく過去の暗い自分と向き合ってる姿を見て、彼を好きになったんだな普通くん
BBryant3rd
They should have done that a bit different however, considering they are high schoolers I think they did pretty well. It is good that at least for now it seems things won't blow up as far as Dad is concerned. He handled that fairly well considering what his daughter has done.
確かに高校生という立場を考慮すると、よくやった方だという考察ができる。父親の反応も、娘の行動を踏まえるとかなり冷静に対処したと言える。ただ、制作陣がこのシーンをどう描くかで、今後の展開が変わってくる伏線にも思えるな。考察くん
BBryant3rd
I like imouto she is cute and was funny. Shall I sleep in the living room because of the noises? Lol you are a mess girl and a good imouto.
妹ちゃんかわいくて面白かったな。物音でリビングで寝るって?笑 お前はめちゃくちゃな妹だけど良い妹だよ。普通くん
SecretYogurtcloset57
Man Hikari's dad is a freaking A-hole Also Natsuki's little sister is kind of hot tbh sorry not sorry and she is a good wingwoman lol
ヒカリの父親マジクソすぎるッ!あと夏樹の妹ちょっと可愛すぎじゃない?ごめん、謝らないけどな!しかもいい感じの後押ししてて草感情くん
testthrowawayzz
The little sister is a riot. "When did you became an eroge protagonist?" lmao. Hoshimiya's dad said he's doing so she can live a comfortable life, but bruh your family's loaded. She can afford to indulge in "low potential income" hobbies.
妹めっちゃ面白いな。「いつからエロゲ主人公になったんだ?」って草。星宮のパパは「娘に楽な生活をさせたい」って言ってたけど、お前の家十分金持ちじゃん。彼女は「低収入」な趣味にハマる余裕あるんだよね。普通くん
zarif_bsdk
Broo uta needs to fuck off🥀😭
ウタ消えてくれないかなマジでムカつく🥀😭感情くん
bladdrwg
After this episode, I can't help but compare this anime to Chitose is in the Ramune Bottle, it feels like so many of the things that didn't work for me in that show were done right in this one. Unfortunately, this one didn't get the Studio Feel budget, so it isn't getting the same push, despite this big 100% up their alley.
この話見てからどうしても「千歳くんはラムネ瓶のなか」と比べちゃうんだけど、あっちでイマイチだった要素がこっちではちゃんとハマってる感じがするんだよね。残念ながらスタジオFeelの予算はなかったから、これだけどストライクな作品なのに同じようにプッシュされてないのがもったいない。普通くん
melontized1
BROO IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ARC TO HAPPEN FOR AGESSSSS IM SO SATISFIED BUT WHY DID NATSUKI SAY THEY HE BOTH LIKES UTA AND HOSHIMIYA EQUALLY BROO JUST PEAK HOSHIMIYAA
ちょー待って!このアーク来るのマジで待ってたんだけど!やっと来たじゃん!めっちゃ満足なんだけど、でもなつきが歌唄と星宮どっちも同じくらい好きって言ったの意味わからんくない?!笑 でも星宮まじ神すぎる!!ギャル
runevault
原文
Man the more we see of the dad the douchier he is. stop wasting your time writing novels. Telling her to dump her friend group. Obviously we already knew he was a pile of trash after the flashback to Haibara's old life and the interview with her dad telling him he would only be a puppet, but holy fuck this is your child you sack of shit. Ah the old "I made it easy for you to walk in on me so you're the perv." Girl you stunlocked him by being so hot in such little clothing. Yeah she lying about the male lead not being based on Haibara. I really need the rock aesthetic of the ED to show up in the show with sick guitar shredding.
父親が出てくるたびにクズっぷりが増してるな。小説書く時間無駄だし、友達グループを切れって言うし。回想シーンで過去の生活とか「操り人形になるだけ」ってインタビューで言ってた時点でゴミだって分かってたけど、まじで自分の子にこれかよ。しかも「わざと覗きやすくしたんだからお前が変態だ」って論法かよ。女の子が薄着で可愛すぎて相手が固まってるだけだろ。主人公が灰原くんモデルじゃないって嘘だよね。EDのロックな雰囲気が本編でもギターかき鳴らしながら出てきてほしいわ。普通くん
Grazalia
Bruh the character development of Hoshimiya is so thin, her flashback of her loving her friends were all from a single day. And then she was the one that became the fanservice in this anime lol what a character lol
星宮のキャラクター成長、正直薄っぺらいよな。彼女が仲間を愛してるってフラッシュバック、全部たった1日分の記憶から来てるんだぜ。しかも結局このアニメでファンサービスの担当になったっていう皮肉。キャラとしては笑うしかないわ。考察くん
mojo72400
原文
The preview basically says that Sei said yes. So it's a bait & switch where they reveal Sei added another line in the failed job interview. At least Sei's reasonable to sit down & hear Hikari out instead of forcibly dragging her out. Hikari hit Sei w/ this . We got a panty shot from Hikari. So Hikari couldn't take it when Sei told her to distance herself from her friends including the female ones like Yuino. So Hikari initially didn't like Natsuki until she related to him when she overhead his argument w/ Tatsuya at the school rooftop.
次回予報的に星が承諾した感じやったな。でも実際は就活失敗で星が一言追加しただけの釣りやったんかwww 少なくとも星は光を無理やり連れ出さずに話聞こうとしてて良心的やな。光が星にガチギレしてパンチかましたしパンチラもあったわ。星が夕乃みたいな女友達含めて距離置けって言ったから光が我慢できんかったんやろな。光は最初夏希のこと嫌ってたけど屋上でタツヤとの言い争い聞いて共感したらしいわ。2ちゃん
FoolingFinality
The puppy dream of many teenagers to bring their crush to their house really had me grinning.
思春期あるあるの「好きな人を家に連れてくる」夢、めっちゃニヤニヤしちゃったわ。普通くん
FoolingFinality
Imouto chan really does not hold back, and how old is she again to know all about such noises?
妹ちゃんまじで遠慮なしすぎじゃね!?てかあの音とか全部知ってるって何歳なんマジで笑ギャル
One-Ad-39
I'm quite surprised how Hoshimiya didn't liked the MC in the earlier episodes, since she usually acts friendly towards him.
星宮が最初の方で主人公に冷たかったのは意外だな。普段はあんなにフレンドリーなのにね。普通くん
Mediocre-Act483
I'm watching now. Three minutes in, and I see... Maruto? Okay, I get not wanting to deal with legal issues, but if you're going to change the name so it doesn't get other people upset, at least do more than change one letter!
今観てるんだけど、開始3分でマルトが出てきたんだが。法的な問題を避けたいのは理解できるけど、他の人の感情に配慮して名前変えるなら、1文字変えるだけじゃなくてちゃんとやってほしいな。考察くん
Nickthenuker
原文
And so she ran away to join him. She's going to his place isn't she? Yep. Yeah... How meta. And now his sister has seen her in his room. And thinks she's interrupting something lol. Not yet anyways. And so he's alone at home with her. Except for his sister. Lol. Bonk. Again, lol how meta. Thought of him huh? And so she's going to stay in his room. So, that's why she ran. So, she's said that to him. Of course he walked in on her changing... And so she's going back. Prove that she can write novels? So she's going to stay until she's done with her novel? And so now she's here too. So, she's going to stay with her instead. Wanted to see her? Seems she did in fact base it on him lol. She's calling him? That's a lotta questions... Indeed. Her. And so she wrote that all in one night. Well, not a moment too soon. Here's trouble. And so she's not going to be his puppet. And so he's going to give her a chance.
彼女逃げて彼のトコ行ったんか。そりゃ彼の家行くよな。せやな。メタすぎるやろwww。妹が部屋で見つけて「邪魔しちゃった?」みたいな空気になってて草。まだやけどな。妹いるけど二人きりになるんか。ボンッ!またメタすぎるンゴ。彼のこと考えてたんか。で、彼女は彼の部屋に泊まることに。だから逃げたんか。本人に言うてて草。もちろん着替え中に鉢合わせ。戻るんか。小説書ける証明するって?完成まで居座るんか。今度は妹も来たで。代わりに妹と一緒に過ごすんか。会いたかったんか?やっぱ彼モデルにしてたんやな。電話してきたんか。質問多すぎやろ。せや。彼女が。一晩で全部書き上げたんか。間に合ったな。面倒な奴来たで。彼女は操られへんってか。チャンス与えるってよ。2ちゃん
delulu_finalboss_
Looks like Haibara's got himself in a fix!
灰原くん、やばい状況に陥ったみたいだね!普通くん