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灰色少年の虹色青春計画
就職を目前に控えた青年・灰原夏希。かつて高校デビューに失敗して以来、灰色の青春時代を過ごしてきた夏希は、ある日、高校入学直前にタイムリープする。夏希は灰色の青春を虹色に書き換えることを決意し...。
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diacewrb
He should have bought a bunch of nvidia shares back in 2014, they were around 40 to 50 cents back then. His future self would be living his best life.
2014年当時にNVIDIA株を大量に買っておくべきだったな。あの頃は1株40〜50セントくらいだったし。未来の自分が最高の人生を送れてたのに。普通くん
Zealousideal-Visit50
Or bitcoin
草 ビットコインとかマジで関係ないやろwww2ちゃん
Frontier246
I do wonder if he's going to use his future knowledge for anything other than trying to hook up with Hikari and be popular in high school.
ふむ…奴が未来の知識を、光との縁談や学校での人気取り以外に使うのか、某も気になるでござるな。武士
Magma_Dragoooon
Yeah probably not lol
まじかよwww たぶんないな笑wwwおじ
Frequent-Engineer784
No no he need to buy Bitcoin
ふむ…彼は運命の秘宝、Bitcoinを手に入れねばならぬのだ。中二病
testthrowawayzz
quite a bit more than that per share since there have been two stock splits since 2014
マジでそれ以上ってこと!?2014年から株式分割2回もあったんだって!!やばくね!?ギャル
FollowingCurrent8797
dude how did i not think of this
草 なんで気づかんかったんやワイwww2ちゃん
AnnoyingPenny89
He was probably chosen to relive his life because he wouldnt do that and have an unfair advantage in life, rather his wish was granted mostly because he wants to genuinely better hilself with a set goal in life which he cannot really cheat by using future knowledge (probably) (with his own efforts)
彼が人生をやり直すのに選ばれたのは、多分ズルをしたり有利に生きたりしないって見込まれてのことだと思う。むしろ、未来知識でズルできない(多分)中で、自分の努力で本気で成長したいっていう目標があるから願いが叶ったんだろうね。普通くん
bojo21
you instantly know the author doesnt workout irl when you see the mc transform in 1 month lmaooo I liked this LN but thinking about it its just isekai but in a different uniform lol
あーわかるわかる!作者絶対リアルで筋トレしたことないやつだよね笑 主人公が1ヶ月で変身するとかありえんし! このラノベ好きなんだけど、よく考えたら違う制服着た異世界転生って感じじゃん?まじそれな笑ギャル
Allansfirebird
you instantly know the author doesnt workout irl when you see the mc transform in 1 month lmaooo Dude managed to drop about half his former body weight in that time? The amount of strain on his heart and metabolism would be insane.
この主人公、1ヶ月で体つき変わる描写を見ると「作者はリアルで筋トレしたことないな」ってすぐ分かるよね(笑)。たった1ヶ月で元の体重の半分近く落としたってことだろ?心臓や代謝にかかる負荷が尋常じゃないはずだ。この辺、現実の人体の仕組みを考慮すると、かなり無理のある展開だという考察ができる。考察くん
feb914
Not to mention building abs
腹筋を鍛えるなど、まさに我が肉体への修行の証よ。中二病
Great-Foundation4990
原文
Half his body weight is an extreme exaggeration. The abs thing is definitely dubious but the weight drop isn't too crazy for a guy going through puberty. Puberty came a bit late for me, I was always a sort of chunky middle-schooler despite hockey, soccer, gymnastics, martial arts and fencing. Pretty much the second puberty hit, all excess weight disappeared and I just naturally got the muscle I should have had for my activity level without any extra effort beyond what I was already doing. I am talking like a good 50 lbs in a matter of several weeks over the summer between freshman and sophomore school years. Which was 3 months max. Sure, a difference from one month, but he had just graduated middle school and lost the weight before starting high school so I am inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt that it could have been longer than just one month.
この体重減少の描写、半分近くってのは確かに誇張が入ってると思う。腹筋云々はともかく、思春期の男子なら体重が急に落ちるのはあり得ない話ではない。俺自身も中学時代はホッケーやサッカー、体操に格闘技・フェンシングをやってたのにぽっちゃりしてたんだが、思春期が来たら一気に体重が落ちて、活動量に見合った筋肉が自然に付いた。具体的には高1の夏休みで約22kg減ったからな。灰原くんの場合は中学卒業から高校入学までの期間と考えると、単なる1ヶ月じゃなくもっと長いスパンだった可能性を考慮すべきだという考察ができる。考察くん
Frontier246
I was getting Chitose flashbacks lol.
千歳を思い出しちゃったわ笑普通くん
Nayko214
Difference is Chitose was already perfect from the start and was 'helping' (I refuse to believe he actually was) a nerd get into shape, although yeah that part is just as unrealistic.
ちとせは最初から完璧で、オタクを「指導」(実際にやってるとは思えんけど)してたのが違うとこやな。まあその部分も非現実的やけどな。2ちゃん
SMA2343
Yeah and all that took like 3 months? Plus you have to account teenage metabolism, it can work.
確かにそれって3ヶ月くらいでしょ?しかも10代の代謝を考えたらあり得る話だよね。普通くん
Great-Foundation4990
It said one month, which is unrealistic but a 3 month timetable is incredibly realistic. I lost more weight than the MC did in the summer between freshman and sophomore years of high school when puberty finally hit with no extra effort than my current level of fitness, granted I played/competed in several sports.
1ヶ月って言ってたけど非現実的やろ。でも3ヶ月スケジュールならガチでありえるンゴwww。ワイも高校1年から2年の夏休みに思春期きて、今の体力レベルと変わらん努力で主人公より痩せたわ。まあ部活でいくつか競技してたけどな。2ちゃん
Shantotto11
The regression genre tends to have that problem.
確かにw やり直しものってそういう問題あるよな笑wwwおじ
1 month sounds like a stretch but two or three? As an active teenager? Absolutely. Speaking from experience. Not as easy as an adult. And the diet is most important. Maybe he simply stopped eating shit. Plus abs are not that hard to get. You just need a low body fat% Don't wanna eat they're easy, as easy as MC, but maybe he had a little buff from God idk
1ヶ月はさすがに無理があるけど、2〜3ヶ月なら?思春期の活発な少年なら絶対可能だ。経験者が言う。大人より楽じゃないけど、食事が最も重要。単にジャンクフードをやめただけかもしれない。腹筋はそこまで難しくない。体脂肪率を下げればいい。食べなきゃ簡単、主人公と同じくらい簡単だけど、神様からちょっとバフもらってたのかもな。考察くん
Economy-Republic3497
it's doable. I wouldn't recommend it. at his size he could lose 25 pounds in a month. it would be brutal but it's doable.
できるっちゃできるけど、おすすめはしないな。彼の体格なら1ヶ月で25ポンド落とせるだろうけど、めっちゃキツいと思う。普通くん
szalhi
Dude got sent back in time and immediately started the grind. Knowing my ass, I'd probably fail at that myself, but I also wouldn't be chosen for the miracle in the first place.
マジでタイムリープした瞬間からガチ勢になってるのやばすぎるッ!俺だったら絶対に失敗する自信あるわ。つかそもそも奇跡に選ばれることすらないしな…しんどい。感情くん
athrun_1
Being a functional adult later in his life helps to set his priorities. Though, I really did think that Miori likes our new MC, but kinda refreshing that she likes another guy.
確かに、大人になってからの経験が優先順位をしっかり決めさせてるんだろうね。美織は新しい主人公に気があると思ってたけど、別の男の子が好きってのはちょっと新鮮だわ。普通くん
Frontier246
Yeah, I thought she was going to be the typical childhood friend who has secretly been in love with him the whole time, but the OP makes it look like it's actually Uta who falls for him too.
草、最初は典型的な幼なじみ枠でずっと密かに想ってるパターンかと思ったわ でもOP見る限りウタも主人公に落ちる展開っぽいやんwww2ちゃん
baseballlover723
原文
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すみません、あなたのコメントは削除されました。これはこのスレッド上部の「原作コーナー」に属する内容です。現在放送中のアニメの議論スレッドでは、原作、スピンオフ、作者コメント、未アニメ化コンテンツの議論はそこに投稿する必要があります。どんなに些細な原作との比較でも該当します。あなたのコメントはネタバレではなく、原作コーナー外での原作議論として削除されました。質問があればこのメッセージに返信するか、modmailを送るか、メタスレッドにコメントしてください。ルールがわからなければこちらで読めます。普通くん
Round_Distance_6678
If you think a functional adult should still be obsessing over high school crushes, and if ones mind was placed inside its high school self would still want to date their high school crush, your idea of a functional adult is not a good one.
この意見には深く考察すべき点があるな。確かに、機能的な大人として機能するためには高校時代の恋愛に執着するのは健全とは言えないという主張は一理ある。しかし、本作『灰原くんの強くて青春ニューゲーム』を踏まえると、主人公が高校時代の自我に戻りながらも新たな関係性を築く過程こそがテーマの核心だと思われる。つまり、過去の未練を清算しつつ、大人の視点で青春を再解釈するというメタ構造が、単なる「高校の恋愛至上主義」とは一線を画す伏線になっているんじゃないか。考察くん
Frontier246
I did find it kind of funny how abrupt it was. No heart attack/truck-kun/explicit divine intervention, he just passively wishes he could go back and redo high school and lo and behold it happens.
突然すぎて草生えたわ。心臓発作もトラック君も神の介入もなしに、「高校生活やり直したいな」ってぼんやり思っただけで叶っちゃうとかガチでシュールやんwww2ちゃん
mojo72400
Like Remake Our Life!
「Re:Creator」みたいな感じだね!普通くん
Sleeper2k1
I was *just* thinking of that, too, and it makes me yearn for a season 2 of Remake our Life
わかるッ!俺も全く同じこと考えてたところ!!マジで『リメイク・アワ・ライフ!』の2期が待ち遠しすぎる…エモすぎて泣ける感情くん
mojo72400
I read the some spoilers online & found out that [Remake our Life! LN spoilers] Aki won & not Eiko.
ネタバレ読んでもうたわ…【リメイク・アワ・ライフ!】アキが勝ってエイコ負けってガチか?マジで草生えるンゴwww2ちゃん
Storm_Runner_117
[Remake Our Life! LN Spoilers] To my knowledge, due to timey-wimey shenanigans, they both won. Aki in the new timeline and Eiko in the original timeline.
[ぼくたちのリメイク LNネタバレ] 時間軸のややこしい絡み合いのせいで、両方とも勝ったんだよな。新しい時間軸では亜貴、元の時間軸では瑛子が。まあそういうもんだ。ドライおじ
mojo72400
I wish they adapted ver. b since I'm rooting for Eiko.
せやな、Eiko推しやからver. bやってほしかったンゴwww2ちゃん
GetmeOutofNowhere
1 month transformation is too crazy lol but the MC still seems to be a middle schooler mentally even though hes like 22..
1ヶ月でこの変身やばくね笑 でも主人公、もう22歳くらいなのに中二病抜けてなくない?メンタル中学生すぎるじゃん!ギャル
Montgomery000
Lost like 20-30 pounds and now has abs. Makes me think he's really in a dream and stuff like that will magically happen for him for the rest of high school.
20〜30ポンド減量して腹筋まで割れたとな。某(それがし)には、奴が夢の中におり、高校生活の残り全てが魔法のように上手くいくのではないかと思えてならぬでござる。武士
Earlier-Today
I was thinking he fell off that balcony. He was having a smoke out there when everything faded and he falls to the floor as his old self in his old room. Dude fell off his balcony and is having a heck of a coma dream.
なるほど、この演出は現実と幻想の境界を曖昧にする意図的なものだと思われる。彼がバルコニーで喫煙していたシーン、あれは現実の瞬間で、意識が混濁して昔の自分の部屋に倒れ込む流れは、転落後の昏睡状態における脳内補正の可能性が高い。つまり、現在進行形の物語は全て転落事故による昏睡中の夢という考察が成立する。制作陣がここで現実の断片を挿入したのは、視聴者に「これは単なる異世界転生ではない」と気付かせる伏線なんだよな。考察くん
16kHz
And in the last episode we'll see him waking up from his coma. I'm calling it!
予告するぞ!最終話で彼が昏睡から目覚める展開来るって!断言するッ!感情くん
Frontier246
Well, I guess that smoothes over his main goal being to hook up with a high school girl even though he's mentally supposed to be an adult lol.
うーん、大人の精神を持ってるはずなのに女子高生と付き合おうとするのが主人公の目的って、そういう風にごまかされる感じかw普通くん
SalvageCorveteCont
Problem is if he tries to go after women his mental age they'll reject him because of his physical age. And people like you would still complain because you can't avoid how wrong the relationship would be.
問題は、彼が精神年齢相応の女性を追いかけようとしても、肉体年齢のせいで拒絶される点だ。そして、あなたのような人は「その関係がどれほど間違っているか避けられない」と依然として文句を言うだろう。この構造を考察すると、灰原くんの状況は「精神年齢と肉体年齢の乖離」というテーマを浮き彫りにしている。制作陣は意図的にこのジレンマを描き、視聴者に「年齢による恋愛の障壁」を再考させていると思われる。考察くん
Shantotto11
This is the one thing about regression anime that most have to willingly ignore. Mushoku Tensei fans can’t really get away with that because the main character is the only one whose intrusive thoughts we hear regularly.
転生アニメでみんなが無視しがちなポイントだよね。でも無職転生のファンはそれができない。主人公の心の中の声を頻繁に聞かされるからね。普通くん
So it's okay for men in their 30 to have sex with 16 or even some 13 year old girls as long as they're mentally mature, right? Because that's what matters the most in your opinion - mental maturity. And because girls grow up faster, there are some, if not many, still underage but mentally mature. So it's okay if I, an adult, pursue some middle school girls right?
は?30過ぎた男が16歳とか13歳とヤるのがOKって言いたいんか?「精神的成熟が大事」って理屈でな。女の子は成長早いから未成年でも精神的に大人な子がいるってか。つまりワイが大人として中学生狙ってもええってことやな?2ちゃん
Shantotto11
原文
I was half-asleep when I replied, so I probably shouldn’t have put “only”. However, I can’t help but notice that none of you grass-untouchers seem to have this energy for the other regression/regression Isekai anime out there. Where’s the vitriol for Ascendance of a Bookworm ? Aristocrat Appraisal ? Territory Defense ? The first one has a grown man engaged to a minor who happens to be a reincarnator while the other two have reincarnated protagonists who are engaged to girls/women their own physical age. Don’t see any anger in those directions. Also, why stop at these examples? Why not go for murderers and war crimes? Where’s the hate for Vegeta and Catra? Abusers to lovers? Aisaka and Gajeel. Just being weird and ugly? Mobuo. TL;DR It’s fiction, and we pick and choose what we will accept, tolerate, ignore, or hate. Stay out my inbox with your fictional soapbox nonsense.
返信したとき半分寝てたから「だけ」って言うべきじゃなかったかも。でも気づいたんだけど、他の転生・逆行アニメにはみんなそんなに熱くならないよね。『本好きの下剋上』や『貴族転生』『領地防衛』への怒りはどこいった?最初のは成人男性が転生者で未成年と婚約、あとの二つは転生主人公が同年代の女の子と婚約してるのに。なんでそっちには怒らないの?あと、なんで殺人者や戦争犯罪には怒らないの?ベジータやキャトラへのヘイトは?虐待から恋愛?アイサカやガジールは?ただ気持ち悪いだけのモブオは?要はフィクションだし、人は自分で許容するものと嫌うものを選んでるんだよ。俺の受信箱に偽善的な説教は送ってこないでくれ。普通くん
Impressive, so many words and yet you failed to respond to my comment completely. We, you and me, were discussing Mushoku Tensei - not every fucking isekai reicarnation anime. I don't even know whats your point honestly
まあ、お前のコメントにちゃんと答えられてないってのは分かったよ。俺たちが話してたのは『無職転生』の話だろ?他の転生アニメ全部じゃない。正直、お前が何を言いたいのかよくわからん。ドライおじ
Shantotto11
Oh then I’ll keep it short then. In real life? Hell no. In fiction? No, but I’m not gonna hate on those people who engage with the story/characters? Are they physically the same age and one of them is a reincarnator or regressor? You have 3 episodes tops to convince me to continue to engage.
なるほど、簡潔にまとめよう。現実ならもちろん絶対にありえない。フィクションなら?それでもノーだ。ただし、そうしたストーリーやキャラクターを楽しむ人々を否定するつもりはない。問題は、彼らが物理的に同年代で、片方が転生者や回帰者である場合だな。そういう設定の場合、俺を引き続き惹きつけるには、最大でも3話以内にその価値を証明しなければならないという考察ができる。考察くん
Round_Distance_6678
原文
I havent read through the LN/manga of ascendance of a bookworm, but there has been no romance yet in the anime. Aristocrat appraisal and territory defense are both extremely creepy and it has been commented on extensively as to how these adults are put.into kids bodies and then immediately want to date other kids, it is extremely unsettling, and isnt something you should suspend imagination for because "it is an anime" just because Japanese society treats f'ed up shit so normally sometimes.
「本好きの下剋上」の原作は読んでないんだけど、アニメではまだ恋愛要素はないね。貴族の品定めや領地防衛の描写はどれもめちゃくちゃ気持ち悪くて、大人が子供の体に転生してすぐに他の子供と付き合おうとするのはかなり不気味だってよく言われてる。これに関しては「アニメだから」って理由で目を瞑るべきじゃないと思う。日本の社会がたまにクソみたいなことを当たり前のように扱うからってね。普通くん
kalirion
Wrong enough for me to not give this even 1 ep.
まじで1話も見る気しないんだけど!そんなにダメなの?笑ギャル
testthrowawayzz
He grew old, but not up
歳は取ったけど、大人にはなれなかったんだね普通くん
erickiceboyxxp
Idk, it always seems like this in these shows where they go back in time to an earlier period. The common technique seems to have them maintaining their earlier mindsets as if they never grew up and it’s a bit lame.
この手のタイムリープものにありがちなパターンだよな。過去に戻っても、成長した後の思考や経験が完全にリセットされて、昔のままの考え方で行動する描写が多い。これは制作側の意図的な演出なんだろうけど、個人的には「本当にタイムリープした人間なら、過去の自分に今の知識を活かすはず」って考察ができるんだよな。そういう意味でも、この作品はどう処理するか注目してる。考察くん
Cheetah_05
It is, but the premise would make it 100x more terrible if they kept their PL mindset and maturity. Imagine a literal 30 year old or something (whatever PL MC was precisely) trying to get with a literal first year highschooler. You'd have to cut out the PL entirely to make it not be awkward one way or another honestly. The "maturity reset" is better than the alternative.
確かに。もし前世の精神年齢・価値観をそのまま残してたら、設定が100倍ヤバくなってたと思う。30歳くらいの大人が高校1年生と恋愛するって想像しただけでキツいしな。前世の要素を完全に削るか、精神年齢をリセットするしかなかったのは納得。その意味では「成熟度リセット」の方がマシな選択だね。普通くん
The_Blip
Honestly think it would be pretty entertaining if they kept their maturity. Just saw all the highschool drama as pointless bs and focused on themselves. Didn't chase his HS crush because of a more mature outlook on life. Cynical Highschool NG+, would be good with some dry whit. Probably need a decent supporting cast to not get boring though.
せやな、彼らが大人のままって設定の方が逆に面白いわ。高校のドラマとかゴミみたいに見えて自分優先って感じで草。人生観が成熟してるから高校の恋愛も追わないとか、皮肉効いててええやん。ただ、サポートキャラが充実してないと飽きそうだけどな。2ちゃん
Round_Distance_6678
Consider ReLife instead for a guy who gets sent back.to high school and his first priority isnt getting with his classmates.
ReLifeの方がいいかもね。高校に戻された男が、まずクラスメートと付き合うことを優先しないっていう話。普通くん
Showzapow
Yeah, 1 month is kind of crazy. That's some serious gallstone risk. It took me more than a year to lose 30kgs. If you have to lose weight, do it at a safe pace
1ヶ月でそれってヤバすぎるッ!胆石のリスクやばいって。俺は30kg落とすのに1年以上かかったよ。痩せたいなら安全なペースでやるべき。マジで無理すんな。感情くん
原文
I mean, okay, one month does sound like a stretch but at the same time I remember how easily I lost 7 kg in a short amount of time during middle school. Just played football almost every day without any special goal in mind, after months of being "shut-in" Even as an adult, I gained some weight while working from home and it took me like 3 months of simply being active once I went back to office, to be 'normal' again. Plus, I don't think it was just exercise. Maybe he was obese due to eating too much. He most likely stopped eating like a pig and started working out, it's really enough
1ヶ月はさすがに盛りすぎやろって思うけど、ワイも中学生の時にガチで引きこもってた後のサッカー毎日やって7kg一瞬で落ちた経験あるわ。大人になっても在宅勤務で太ったけど、オフィス戻ったら3ヶ月動くだけで元に戻ったンゴ。つーか運動だけじゃなくて、食いすぎでデブってた可能性あるし、豚みたいに食うのやめて筋トレ始めたらそら痩せるやろって話やな。2ちゃん
Zealousideal-Visit50
being fat gets you treated differently 🤣
まじでデブだと扱い変わるよね🤣 あるあるすぎて草ギャル
Frontier246
I wonder if there was more to it than that. Like was his attitude really different? Tatsuya said he couldn't keep covering for Natsuki implying that Natsuki was just not engaging or really trying and that's why he couldn't become friends with anybody. And there was that scene in the OP with Hikari in glasses so she might not 100% have been the person he imagined/saw her as.
それだけじゃなかったんじゃないかな。例えば、彼の態度って本当に変わってたの?達也が「夏希を庇いきれない」って言ってたのは、夏希が積極的に関わろうとしなかったからで、それが原因で誰とも友達になれなかったってことだよね。あとOPでメガネかけたヒカリのシーンがあったし、彼が想像してた通りの人じゃなかったかもしれないね。普通くん
feb914
He is an introvert that tried too hard to be the funny guy (flashback to his introduction showed that). So he was just socially awkward.
わかるわかる!彼って明らかに内向的なのに無理して面白いキャラ演じてたんだよね(回想シーンで一発でわかった)。完全にコミュ障だったんだよな…しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
AnnoyingPenny89
原文
i really really doubt it was just because of that, because those type of person are often the best type of person which holds the group together, he probably got deprossed due to rejections on various steps in his life which led him to a very sad / non engaging / rude behavious that he probably developed in his past Because his funny guy self as shwon in flashback is totally opposite of his current future self that is sad and unsocializing
いや、それだけが理由じゃないと思うんだよね。そういうタイプの人間って、むしろグループをまとめるいい人物であることが多いし。彼が落ち込んだのは、人生のいろんな場面で拒絶されて、それが積み重なって悲しくて無関心で無愛想な態度を身につけちゃったんだろうな。だってフラッシュバックで見せた陽気な彼と、今の悲しくて非社交的な未来の自分はまったく正反対だし。普通くん
ChanceMaximum2097
nah dudes like that are just cringe and not really funny
そういう奴はただの痛いやつで、全然面白くないしな…マジで引くわ感情くん
WhoiusBarrel
原文
Close enough, welcome back Relife! Haibara immediately going to lose weight right after regressing is such a relatable fantasy, making use of those puberty gains for cheat levels of growth. Though I'm not sure if that progress is realistic, but hey its a fantasy after all. While Haibara clearly has some trauma from the first run and is obviously making use of his adult maturity and experiences to better socialise with others, that flashback of his 1st run introduction was extremely cringe to watch unfold.
Relifeっぽくて笑った。灰原が若返った直後にダイエット始めるの、めっちゃ共感できるファンタジーだよね。思春期の成長期をチートに使う感じ。現実的かはともかく、ファンタジーだからいいか。灰原は明らかに1周目のトラウマ抱えてて、大人の経験活かして社交的に動いてるけど、1周目の自己紹介の回想は見てて死ぬほど気まずかったわ。普通くん
IHatePoultrySG
Bruh every adult's fantasy when they regress is to get in shape again. That is so relatable aaaaaa.
わかるわかる!!大人になって「人生やり直せるなら」って思う時、まず真っ先に思うのってやっぱり「体を鍛え直す」だよね!めっちゃ共感する~~~!!泣けるッ!感情くん
1832vini
still not too late. unless you're in your mid 70s, you have time to get back in shape. it'll be harder, but it 100% doable
いや全然間に合うって!!笑 70代半ばとかじゃなければ、まだまだ体戻せるじゃん!大変だけど、絶対できるから!ギャル
wutfacer
Nah the guy in relife intentionally avoided romancing teenagers
いや、ReLIFEの主人公はわざと未成年との恋愛避けてたんだよな普通くん
maesterwanker
this is my gripe with timetravel back to highschool
まじでそれ!タイムトラベルで高校に戻る系ってさ、なんかモヤっとするんだよね笑ギャル
avboden
You mean to tell me it only takes one month to get skinny, ripped and hot?! I'm in!
え、たった1ヶ月で痩せてムキムキでカッコよくなるってこと?!俺もやるわ!普通くん
pepitors
You also need to be 15 for those hormones to help you out.
15歳にならないとあのホルモンの助けは借りられないってことか…しんどいなッ!感情くん
Frontier246
While Haibara clearly has some trauma from the first run and is obviously making use of his adult maturity and experiences to better socialise with others, that flashback of his 1st run introduction was extremely cringe to watch unfold. Natsuki tried to play a Natsuki Subaru and it did not end well for him. Sometimes you can act a little too MC-like.
灰原が最初の人生でトラウマを抱えているのは明らかで、大人の成熟と経験を活かして他人との交流を改善しているのは理解できる。しかし、1周目の彼の自己紹介のフラッシュバックは見ていて相当キツかったな。ナツキがナツキ・スバルを気取った結果、悲惨な結末を迎えたわけだ。時には主人公っぽく振る舞いすぎるのも問題だという考察ができる。考察くん
DirectionOriginal456
I've always found Subaru's exaggerated reactions cringe as well so he was pretty spot-on.
確かにスバルのオーバーな反応はちょっと痛いって思うこともあるけど、彼はあれで正解なんだよね。普通くん
mastereluder6
Owwww so we this old and cultured ? I dig that
えっ、私たちってこんなに渋い趣味してるんだ!?やばくね!?笑 それめっちゃ好きなんだけど!ギャル
Blurgas
Though I'm not sure if that progress is realistic Probably none as ~8lbs per month is considered the safest. ~20lbs in a month is possible, but to do so borders on hazardous
確かにその進歩が現実的かはわからないね。月8ポンドくらいが安全だって言われてるし、月20ポンドは可能だけど危険な領域だと思う。普通くん
Round_Distance_6678
Pls dont compare this dogshit to relife. In one the dude actively avoids trying to date teenagers and works on improving his life overall. In this one, the dude ACTUALLY goes back to the past and could become a millionaire nearly instantly through any kind of investing, and instead his number 1 priority is dating a teen, these shows are near polar opposites in this regard.
確かに、この作品と『ReLIFE』を同列に語るのは無理があるな。前者は主人公が十代との恋愛を避けつつ自己改善に励むのに対し、本作では過去に戻って投資で瞬時に大金を稼げるのに、最優先事項が十代との交際って設定は、両作品のテーマがほぼ正反対だという考察ができる。考察くん
KnewOness
原文
Idk this just felt...hollow ? I've seen the trope a lot of times and i just didn't feel like this guy in particular would be interesting in any way. Okay man you went back in time and you just doing the generic class rep routine. If the secondary characters are supposed to be the source of entertainment here or the inner monologues that we will not have in non-book format, then i think this is just not for me
なんかこれ、中身が空っぽって感じがしたんだよね…。この手の展開は何度も見たし、この主人公に特に面白さを感じられなかった。過去に戻ってただの学級委員ルーティンやってるだけじゃん。サイドキャラや内面描写がウリって言うなら、アニメだとそれが伝わらないし、自分には合わなかったかな。普通くん
Frontier246
If the secondary characters are supposed to be the source of entertainment here I did find Yuino going "I'm Hikari's best friend and these are Hikari's character traits" a little on the nose.
え〜、サブキャラが笑わせ役ってことなら、ユイノが「私ヒカリの親友で、ヒカリの特徴はこれ!」って言うの、ちょっとくどくね?笑 まあでもアリじゃない?ギャル
The_Blip
My favourite part is how everyone just seems to be standing around, waiting for the MC to turn up so that they can do their character introductions.
全員が主人公が現れるのを待ってて、やっとキャラ紹介ができるって感じなのが一番好きだわ。普通くん
lasse1408
Like someone mentioned above this is just like isekai. MC is self-insert with 0 personality.
上のやつも言ってたけどこれ完全に異世界転生やん。主人公が自己投影キャラで個性ゼロやろ。2ちゃん
PM_ME_AWESOME_SONGS
He was more interesting when he was fat.
あのキャラ、太ってた頃の方が面白かったな。普通くん
Marionette2
It's a simple start like this that has chance to develop into interesting thing. We have too many case nowadays of series that start with a BANG but end with a........ See More...
こんな地味な始まり方こそ、後々面白くなる可能性あるンゴな。最近は最初っから派手に始まって尻すぼみする作品多すぎて草2ちゃん
cheapdrinks
I feel like ReLife was the ultimate show in the redo highschool genre. Would be very hard to top that one, all other attempts I've seen have just fallen flat compared.
ReLifeは高校生活やり直しジャンルの最高傑作だったと思う。あれを超えるのはかなり難しいだろうな。他に見た作品はどれも比べ物にならなかったよ。普通くん
Aksudiigkr
Imo the plot picks up. I enjoyed the story so far
確かに話が面白くなってきたよな!今までのストーリーも結構好きだったけど、ここからが本番って感じでエモすぎるッ!感情くん
HotBloodedNinja
It's just the first episode and I already prefer the childhood friend over Hikari.
マジで1話目なのに、もう幼なじみの子がヒカリより好きなんだけど!やばくね!?ギャル
lionturtl3
Agreed, so far it feels like this will go the route of “we’re totally just friends being wingmen for each other” to girl realizes her feelings by episode 3 but can’t express them, boy doesn’t realize he feels the same until the penultimate episode.
確かに、今の感じだと「俺たちはただの友達で互いに恋愛を応援してるだけ」って流れから、3話でヒロインが自分の気持ちに気づくけど言い出せず、主人公が最終回直前まで同じ気持ちだと気づかないパターンになりそうだね。普通くん
ForsakenLibraries
That was my thought as well, especially with the look that Tatsuya gave them when they were whispering to each other.
それな!てかタツヤがあの二人がコソコソ話してる時に向けた視線、やばくなかった!?あれだけで空気変わった感じしたじゃん笑ギャル
1032patrick
Same!
ワイもやで!2ちゃん
Nollasta_poikkeava
I'm ready to root for the childhood friend and to be disappointed in the end.
まじで幼なじみ応援する準備できてるんだけど、最後には絶対泣くやつじゃん!笑ギャル
ForsakenLibraries
I always feel like a contrarian in these type of anime. I never like the main love interest.
こういうアニメだと毎回自分が天の邪鬼な気分になるんだよね。メインの恋愛対象に全然魅力感じないんだよな。普通くん
pikapikaabc
I was hoping that Miori liked him this whole time and he just didn’t notice in his past life
草、美織はずっとワイのこと好きやったんかよwww 前世では気づかんかったとか鈍感すぎやろwww2ちゃん
carmellevi
What was her name?
彼女の名前ってなんだっけ!? 気になりすぎるんだけど!!感情くん
BusouDrago
Miori
「三織、すごく良かったね。キャラがしっかり立ってたし、声優の演技も自然だった。特にあのシーンの表情の変化は見事だったな」普通くん
Glitterkrieger
The lesson i learned here is that you just don't have to be fat and ugly to succeed in life
このアニメから学べたことって、まじで「デブでブサイクじゃなきゃ人生うまくいく」ってことじゃん笑ギャル
Shantotto11
Yeah but Isekai Cheat Skill just released a special last week. We didn’t really need another lesson this soon.
いやでも「異世界チートスキル」先週スペシャル出したばっかやん。こんなすぐまた授業いらんやろwww2ちゃん
Earlier-Today
As ridiculous as all the wish fulfillment in that is, the guy is at least a genuinely good person.
あんなご都合展開だらけだけど、少なくとも主人公はちゃんといいやつだよね。普通くん
Unique_City_7155
Good looking is not everything but it certaintly give a person more adventage in social. Especially on first impression.
それな!顔が全てってわけじゃないけど、第一印象で得するのは確かにあるよね〜まじで!ギャル
Zealousideal-Visit50
I actually read on Reddit here a year ago a thread specifically on ppl losing weight and how they were treated differently afterwards and were upset 😭🤣 I guess it’s on the same category as pretty privilege
ワイ数年前にRedditで「痩せた後の扱い変わった」ってスレ見たンゴ😭🤣 まさにプリティ・プリビレッジの一種やなwww2ちゃん
deus_machinarum
Do you maybe still have link to that? I'd be very curious to read that discussion
それな!そのリンクまだ持ってる?めっちゃ気になるから教えてほしいッ!感情くん
DisplayHonest6465
Did you find it?
見つけた?普通くん
deus_machinarum
Nope, no response yet
まだ返事きてないの?まじかよ〜!ちょっと気になっちゃうんだけど笑ギャル
DisplayHonest6465
Probably happened in his dream
多分夢の中で起こったんだろうね普通くん
Zealousideal-Visit50
I can’t find it maybe it was longer ago but searching under the loseit threads there is several post like that
見つからんかったわ…もっと前のスレかもな 「loseit」スレで検索したら似たようなのいくつかあったで2ちゃん
deus_machinarum
thx
ありがとう普通くん
Great-Foundation4990
Eh, more like "Actively engage with people and don't be over the top" Over the top only works if you are genuinely funny, and most people just aren't naturally funny.
え〜、どっちかっていうと「積極的に人と関われ、でも空気読め」って感じだな。大げさなノリが通用するのはマジで面白い奴だけだし、大抵の人は元々そんなに面白くないんだよな…しんどい。感情くん
Cheetah_05
Over the top is also a super specific brand of funny that is even harder than "normal" witty or sarcastic humor honestly
確かにオーバー・ザ・トップな笑いは「普通の」機知や皮肉よりずっと難しいよね普通くん
Muffin-zetta
did that guy just lose like 50 pounds in a single month?
えっ、あのキャラ一ヶ月で50ポンドも痩せたの!? 無理すぎるでしょ…!感情くん
Magma_Dragoooon
Yeah the stuff of nightmares lol
確かに悪夢に出そうだわ笑普通くん
Great-Foundation4990
You mean the teenager going through puberty and not someone in their 30s or 40s? Yes. Though, 2-3 months is a bit more realistic.
思春期真っ只中のティーンエイジャーってことやろ?30代とか40代じゃなくてな。せやな、2〜3ヶ月くらいの方が現実的やわ。2ちゃん
Earlier-Today
Probably more like 20 - still too fast for what doctors advise as safe. They like 1 pound a week with 2.5 pounds as an upper limit for safe weight loss. This dude just dropped at least 5 per week.
多分20くらいだな。医者が安全って言うペースより全然早すぎるよ。医者は週1ポンド、多くても2.5ポンドが安全な減量の上限って言ってるのに、こいつは週5ポンド以上落としてるじゃん。普通くん
HydraTower
That gut was way way more than 20 pounds.
いやいやあの衝撃、20ポンドどころじゃなかっただろッ!重すぎて無理!感情くん
Mediocre-Act483
Yeah. My grandpa had cancer and got sick because he lost too much weight too fast. Ended up dying almost five years ago. It'll be five years on the 16th.
うん。俺の祖父もがんになって、急激に痩せすぎて具合が悪くなったんだ。結局5年前くらいに亡くなった。16日でちょうど5年になる。普通くん
TWlLIKING
That’s what I came to say. Completely ridiculous haha. It was easily 50-70 pounds with a gut that size. Speaking from experience, that takes 6 months to a year or so to lose just through healthy diet and exercise.
せやせや、ワイもそれ言おう思てたわwww あの腹のデカさなら余裕で50〜70ポンド(約23〜32kg)はあるやろ 経験者やけど、あれを健康的な食事と運動で落とすのに6ヶ月〜1年くらいかかるンゴ2ちゃん
Glitterkrieger
Who the fuck comments about someone's attractiveness at the first meeting Who talks like that
やばくね!?初対面でいきなり「かわいい」とか言っちゃう人マジで存在するの?どんなノリなんだけど笑ギャル
Frontier246
Who the fuck comments about someone's attractiveness at the first meeting Who gives their best friends' character description to people they literally just met?
誰が初対面でいきなり「可愛い」とか言うんだよ!しかも親友の性格説明までしちゃうとか、会ったばかりの相手にマジでありえないでしょ!感情くん
darkcyde_
I thought MC's line was smooth af, and his friends should've all done the fainting bit. But yeah, so much of the dialogue is like... wut?
やばくない!?主人公のセリフめっちゃかっこよかったじゃん!友達もみんな倒れる演技すればよかったのにって思ったんだけど笑 でもてか、他の会話はなんか「は?」ってなるやつ多すぎじゃね?笑ギャル
minnieboss
This was atrocious... lazy wish-fulfillment junk food with absolutely zero substance. What a waste of 20 minutes I'll never get back.
これはひどすぎる…中身がまったくないただの怠惰な願望成就系ジャンクフードアニメだわ。二度と戻らない20分を無駄にした。普通くん
LiterallyANoob
Had more fantasy than your average fantasy anime. I cringed at so many scenes.
ファンタジーアニメって言うよりファンタジー要素強すぎやろ。ワイ何度も引いてもうたわwww2ちゃん
maesterwanker
prepared my dinner only to get stale dessert
夕飯準備したのに、出てきたのは古びたデザートだけだったわ普通くん
Ashteron
Redoing highschool life - the ultimate wish fullfilment. (I'd still screw up.)
高校生活やり直しとか最高の夢じゃん!(でも私ならまたやらかす自信ある笑)ギャル
yahalloh
Redoing highschool life - the ultimate wish fullfilment. (I'd still screw up.) sounds like a good title for rom-com. probably more interesting than this show. LOL.
高校生活やり直しって究極の願望実現だよね(俺でもやらかしそうだけど)。ラブコメのタイトルとして良さそう。この作品より面白そうだな。笑普通くん
kalirion
Yuck, homework. Fuck that.
うわっ、宿題とかマジ最悪。クソすぎる感情くん
Ashteron
That's a small sacrifice for buying cheap BTC. Vast majority of my HS homework was maths I both enjoyed and was fast at.
安いBTC買うための小さな犠牲って感じだね。自分の高校の宿題の大半は数学で、楽しんでたし速く解けてたんだよね。普通くん
Great-Foundation4990
2014 BTC was still pretty expensive for a high schooler to realistically buy a lot of it. If we are talking when I was in high school, however, I would be a billionaire today with just one of my high school paychecks 😅 I'm old as..
このコメント、興味深い考察ができるな。2014年時点でのビットコイン価格を高校生の視点で語っているが、当時でも1BTCが数百ドル程度だったことを考えると、確かにまとまった資金を投入するのは現実的じゃなかったんだろう。しかし、もし今の自分が高校時代に戻って1回のバイト代分だけでもBTCを買っていたら、という仮定が面白い。時価総額の変遷を踏まえると、当時の少額投資が今や億単位の資産になるという点で、このコメントは仮想通貨の爆発的な成長を実感させる内容だな。考察くん
Cheetah_05
TBF you don't need "much" to be set for life, it's up 58k since 2016 with 14620% growth... just putting in all high school paychecks would set you up comfortably for the entire rest of your life
確かに「めっちゃ多く」は必要ないかもね。2016年から58kまで上がってて成長率14620%ってやばいし…高校のバイト代全部突っ込むだけで余生は余裕で暮らせるってことだな普通くん
Tama47_
So like, can I keep my phone at least? Then I can download local llm even if there's no chatgpt back then, and cheat homework that way lol.
「せめてスマホだけは持ってっていい?当時はChatGPTなくてもローカルLLM入れとけば宿題カンニングできるじゃんw」ってマジそれな!頭良すぎるッ!感情くん
kalirion
原文
With any time travel thing you also have to ask how exactly time travel works. Do the changes you make replace the current timeline (which makes you a mass murderer for erasing the current versions of people to replace them with the new version), or does it spin off a new timeline at the point of change, leaving the old one alone (in which case what happens to you in the timeline you're leaving - do your loved ones just find your corpse or braindead body)?
タイムトラベルものでは、時間移動の仕組みを正確に問う必要がある。行った変更が現在のタイムラインを上書きするのか(その場合、現在の人間を消して新バージョンに置き換える大量殺人犯になる)、それとも変更点で新たなタイムラインが分岐し、元のタイムラインはそのまま残るのか(その場合、去った先のタイムラインでは愛する人たちに自分の遺体か脳死状態の体が見つかるだけなのか)——この辺りの考察が不可欠だと思われる。考察くん
Great-Foundation4990
There is no way time travel changes events in the way you list in your first hypothesis and even if it were like that, the person couldn't be considered responsible for the butterfly effect of crazy ass changes that would ensue as no one can possibly predict how things would change. Branching timelines from points of change is really the only thing that makes any kind of sense.
最初の仮説みたいにタイムトラベルで過去が変わるわけないし、仮にそうだとしても、誰にも結果を予測できないカオスな変化が起きるバタフライエフェクトの責任を取れないよね。分岐するタイムライン説だけが筋通ってると思う。普通くん
kalirion
原文
There is no way time travel changes events in the way you list in your first hypothesis Well listen to you, all knowing about how Time Travel works in real life, LOL. And even if it were like that, the person couldn't be considered responsible for the butterfly effect of crazy ass changes that would ensue as no one can possibly predict how things would change That's the thing, you know there will be unpredictable butterfly effect of crazy ass changes, but the person still chose to change the past, which makes them very much responsible. And it's not even just about those unpredictable changes. What about the people who personally know the time traveler? All their experiences with him are rewritten from the point at which the timetraveler starts acting differently. And people's experiences are a large part of what makes them what they are. Have you seen Steins;Gate? The very fact that Kurisu was able to halve a calm conversation with the guy who told her "I'm about to change things and this whole heart-to-heart we're having will have never happened" is highly unrealistic to me. How would you feel being on the receiving end of that conversation? Now imagine that it's decades of your experiences that are about to be rewritten instead of just a few days, and you'll never even know it happened unless the time traveler is kind enough to let you know.
君の第一仮説のようにタイムトラベルが出来事を変えるわけがないって?「現実のタイムトラベルの仕組みに詳しいんだね、君は(笑)」って感じだな。仮にそうだとしても、誰も変化の予測できないカオスなバタフライ効果に対して、その人物に責任を負わせるのは無理だろ。だが重要なのは、予測不能なバタフライ効果が起きると分かっていながら、それでも過去を変える選択をした時点で、その人物には十分な責任が生じるってことだ。しかも、それは予測不能な変化だけの問題じゃない。タイムトラベラーを個人的に知る人々はどうなる?彼らとの経験は、タイムトラベラーが異なる行動を始めた時点から全て書き換えられる。人のアイデンティティの大部分は経験によって形成されるんだ。『シュタインズ・ゲート』を見たか?紅莉栖が「これから事態を変えるから、今のこの心の触れ合いも無かったことになる」と言ってきた相手と冷静に会話できたあの場面、俺には非常に非現実的に映ったぞ。そんな会話をされた側の気持ちを考えてみろ。しかも、それが数日間の経験ではなく数十年分の経験が書き換えられるとしたらどうだ?タイムトラベラーが親切に教えてくれない限り、その事実に永遠に気づくことすらないんだ。考察くん
Mediocre-Act483
I might. I'm 32, and never had a girlfriend. Had a female friend who was probably into me, but my avoidance of romance at the time killed that.
まじそれな!私も32歳で彼女いたことないんだけどさ、多分俺に気あった女の子いたんだけど、当時恋愛避けてたせいで終わっちゃったんだよね笑ギャル
ScaladeScared
原文
The cringe I got from this episode is just, Wow The monologue of future mc really did not set the proper tone of what was about to happen. Like, you're a graduating college student why are you acting like a high schooler (with some knowledge of the future). I get the feeling of getting shy of being close with your crush but to the point of being awkward? Despite that tho, the way I smiled so wide in the group chat scene is just so damn hilarious I will tune in every week. Unless some drama plot comes up, which I'll immediately lose interest
このエピソードの気まずさがすごかったわ…未来の主人公の独白、全然トーン合ってなかったよね。大学卒業目前なのに、なんで未来知識ある高校生みたいな行動してるんだよ。恋愛対象に近づくときの照れはわかるけど、あそこまで気まずくなる?でもグループチャットのシーンはめっちゃ笑ったし、毎週見るわ。ただ、ドラマ展開が始まったら即興味失うと思うけど。普通くん
HellzHound_616
It's main selling point is the worst part of this. Not that it's a groundbreaking masterpiece by any means, but at least it's "Decent" enough if you ignore the timetravelling incel.
この作品の最大の売りが逆に最悪の部分すぎるッ!別に画期的な傑作ってわけじゃないけど、タイムトラベルするキモオタを無視すればせめて「まあまあ」くらいにはなるんだよな…無理。感情くん
clone69
Frankly, I quit at the point Yuina introduced herself as "Hikaru's best friend" before Hikaru even got to introduce herself, then proceeded to call her "the most beautiful girl in school". Who even starts a conversation like that? Also, how pathetic MC is if he is 22 and successful, yet already longing for his high school years? Leave that for the people over 30, you are barely graduating college.
草ァ!結菜が「ヒカルのかわいい親友です」って自己紹介かました時点でワイは脱落したわwww しかも「校内一の美少女」って自分で言うとかどんな会話の始め方やねん つか主人公、22歳で成功してるのに高校時代を懐かしむってガチで情けなさすぎやろ 30過ぎてから言えや、お前大学出たばっかやんけ2ちゃん
Creative_Thing_3862
to be frank the whole time travel is pointless here and feels just for clout. They could have gone with him after middle school wanting to turn his life around. I like it as a comedy , I'm just gonna ignore that he's actually 22
正直言って、タイムトラベル要素はここでは意味ないし、ただの人気取りにしか見えないな。中卒後に人生をやり直したいって設定でも良かったんじゃないか。コメディとしては好きだけど、彼が実は22歳だってことは無視することにするよ。普通くん
Earlier-Today
24 or 25 - he didn't just barely graduate, he's firmly into his career.
24か25ってワイより年上やん!しかもギリ卒業とかじゃなくてバリバリ社会人やんけwww2ちゃん
Creative_Thing_3862
didn't he say he wes about to graduate and have secured a job not started yet?
えっ、確かに卒業間近で就職も決まってるって言ってなかったっけ?まだ働いてないってことじゃん!やばくね?笑ギャル
Earlier-Today
Nope, he was saying he was working in a good career after having gotten himself together in college. It was his sister who was still in college, which is why he thinks she's in cosplay when she enters his room in her school uniform - he hadn't accepted that he'd gone back in time yet.
いや、彼は大学でちゃんとやり直して良いキャリアに就いてるって話だよ。妹の方がまだ大学生で、制服で部屋に入ってきたのをコスプレだと思ったんだよね。まだタイムリープしたって受け入れてなかったからさ。普通くん
_naglfar
Nope. Go back and read what he said again. He basically landed a job before graduating and is just about to graduate.
いや違うやろ。もう一度本人の言ったこと読み直してみ?要は卒業前に就職決めて、今まさに卒業間近って話やん。2ちゃん
HTC864
Nah, you just missed it. He's 21-22 and he's going 7 years into the past.
いや、見逃しただけだよ。彼は21〜22歳で、7年前に戻ってるんだ。普通くん
HellzHound_616
Exactly my thought. With how extremely self-conscious he appears to be, he could just have "dreamed" it all going wrong. Now he just comes off as stalker-y and a someone who preys on teens. The fact that it took him at age 22 to become a functional 15yo is just weird for how "Decent" this anime would otherwise be.
同意。彼の極度な自己意識の高さを考えると、すべてがうまくいかない「夢」を見ていた可能性が高い。ただ、現状ではストーカー的で10代を狙うような印象を与えてしまっている。22歳でようやく機能的な15歳になれたという設定も、このアニメが他は「まとも」なだけに奇妙な違和感がある。制作陣は意図的にこのアンバランスを作り出したのか、それとも単なる設定の甘さなのか、考察の余地があるポイントだ。考察くん
Frequent-Engineer784
What the❗ people are compared it with Relife🥲 This Shit Never Close To Relife He Get Back in Time and regret it he his crush didn't accept him first life but this time he is going to Succeed, The Ass Topic. It's not like she died in future like other manga concept and he has regrets. 😒
何これ!Relifeと比べてる人いるけど、あれには全然届いてないよ。Relifeはタイムリープして、初恋の相手に最初の人生では振られたのを後悔して、今回は成功させるって話じゃん。この作品は未来でヒロインが死んでるとか、そういう後悔のコンセプトじゃないんだよね。😒普通くん
bojo21
true and the girl rejected him when he looked fat and suddenly blushes at him when he looks skinny, shes shallow af legit a massive red flag lol
せやな、デブの時はフッてたくせに痩せたら急に赤面しとるやんwww 女のクソ浅いし完全にレッドフラグやろ草2ちゃん
EldritchCarver
It might be a red flag for you, but considering MC's personality, a girl who only cares about looks may be the best he can hope for.
君にとっては危険信号かもしれないけど、主人公の性格を考えると、見た目しか気にしない女の子が彼にとって最高の相手かもしれないね。普通くん
kwokinator
原文
In Hikari's defense, with the way his past self blurted out the confession and how he described his high school life, it's entirely possible he's never so much as spoken to her at all in high school, and only saw her as a pretty face and got a huge crush. What would you do if you suddenly got confessed to by an ugly fat girl you basically don't even know? At least his skinny self is making an effort to be friends first.
ヒカリの立場から言わせてもらうと、過去の自分がポロッと告白した感じとか高校生活の語り方見る限り、多分高校時代は彼女と一言も会話したことすらなくて、ただ可愛い顔見てデカい片思いしてただけなんやろな。知りもしねえデブスに突然告白されたらお前どうすんねん。少なくとも痩せた今の自分はまず友達になろうとしてるやん。2ちゃん
DelusionalForMyAngel
I’ll cut her a bit of slack since she’s a teenage girl and I won’t fault her for being shallow at that age, but it was bothering me how literally the only difference between old him and new him was that he got shredded one got “you piss me off” and the other instantly gets a friend group centered around him? personally I wouldn’t want to be friends with any of those assholes
まあ10代の女の子ってことで少しは大目に見るけどさ、前の彼と新しい彼の違いってただムキムキになったかどうかだけじゃん?片方は「ムカつく」って言われて、もう片方は即座に友達グループができるってどうなのよ。個人的にはあの連中とは誰とも友達になりたくないわ。普通くん
Earlier-Today
Most high schoolers are shallow. Kids don't have things figured out yet, and it's a lot easier to judge someone's looks than it is to judge their character. Most kids don't even know how to evaluate their own character, let alone someone else's.
この描写は非常にリアルだ。高校生の多くはまだ自己認識が未熟で、外見で判断する方が簡単だという心理はよく分かる。自分の内面すら評価できない年頃に、他人の性格を正確に見抜くのは難しいという考察ができる。まさに思春期特有の浅はかさを描いている。考察くん
kalirion
So, how many ugly fat girls did you date in high school, Mr. Looks are Irrelevant?
え?「見た目は関係ない」って言ってる高校時代、デブでブサイクな女の子何人と付き合ったの?って話だよね。普通くん
bojo21
原文
I wouldnt say looks are irrelevant but considering how FAST the girl liked the MC like a full on blush on a small compliment which sounds cheesy irl even without knowing him that much is a bit off putting to me. +I did have a girl who liked me. she isnt fat just that I wasnt interested in her but she was nice so i introduced her instead to my friend group which in the end we became friends. She couldve atleast became friends with MC but MC was a complete loner. Its like you suddenly get rich and all of a sudden all these people who ignored you when you have nothing suddenly fawns over you. I just dont like how fast the romance progresses which makes it look extremely shallow
「見た目が関係ない」とは言わないけど、主人公にほんの少し褒められただけで女子が即デレデレになる展開は、現実ならベタすぎてちょっと引くわ。俺にも好意を持ってくれた子がいたけど、別にデブとかじゃなくて、俺が興味なかっただけ。でもいい子だったから友達グループに紹介して、結局友達になった。せめて主人公とも友達になれただろうに、あいつは完全なぼっちだったし。まるで急に金持ちになったら、今まで無視してた連中が急にチヤホヤしてくるみたいな感じ。恋愛の進展が速すぎて、すごく浅はかに見えるんだよな。考察くん
Extreme-Alps-2903
My dude knows about Bitcoin, COVID, Malaysia Airlines, and gravitational waves, but the first thing he does is grind to get (underage) girls But having an MC able to talk to his crush and walk her home at the beginning is a huge improvement over what romance anime usually offers.
彼、ビットコインとかCOVIDとかマレーシア航空とか重力波とか知ってるのに、まずやることが(未成年の)女の子を口説くための努力ってwww でも、序盤からヒロインと普通に会話して送り届けられる主人公って、恋愛アニメにしてはかなり進歩だと思う。普通くん
LeonKevlar
Not gonna lie, for a show about a guy redoing his high school years, this felt a little bit too plain. So far, the only thing the MC changed is working out and not acting like a total weirdo. Might give it one more episode just to see if things could get more interesting.
正直言うと、高校生活やり直すアニメにしては地味すぎるやろ。今のところ主人公が変えたことって筋トレとキモい行動やめたくらいやんwww。もう1話だけ様子見するわ、もっと面白くなるかどうか。2ちゃん
Frontier246
I did find the scenes with Hikari and Natsuki at the end genuinely cute at least.
最後のヒカリとナツキのシーンは普通に可愛かったと思うよ普通くん
Nayko214
Only thing I didn't like was the super speed up weight loss. One, it doesn't go that fast, second, I hate how anime (and media in general) always portrays heavy guys as impossible to love. Its basically "be hot or be forever alone" and just once I'd want a romance with conventionally unattractive leads.
確かに強引なダイエット描写は気になったな。まず現実的にあんな短期間で体重落ちるわけないし、何よりアニメやメディア全般で「デブ=愛されない」って決めつける風潮には疑問が残る。要するに「イケメンになれなければ孤独」ってメッセージにしか見えず、もっと普通に不格好な主人公たちの恋愛を見たいというのが本音だ。考察くん
Ashteron
Its basically "be hot or be forever alone" That's just the way it is for lots of people.
「イケメンじゃなきゃ一生孤独」ってことか…それが現実って人も多いんだよな。しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
Nayko214
And maybe if more media portrayed it differently people's attitudes would change.
確かに、もっとメディアが違う描き方をしてたら、人々の考え方も変わってたかもね。普通くん
Ashteron
There are countless anime about beauties falling for nerds and social outcasts. I don't see hot girls walking with nerds around the city.
草、現実とアニメは違うって話やなw でもそういう理想詰め込んだからこそアニメは面白いんやろな2ちゃん
Nayko214
Ah yes the 'nerd/social outcast who is still thin and attractive.". I'm talking actually not conventionally attractive part here. Big guys deserve love too.
それな!「オタク=細くてイケメン」ってステレオタイプやめてほしい。実際のアウトサイダー像じゃないよね。デブにも愛があっていいんだぞッ!感情くん
minnieboss
And big girls, who are even rarer to see positive portrayals of!
大きい女の子たちもね、ポジティブに描かれるのってさらに珍しいから、いいよね!普通くん
Nayko214
Agreed. I’d say both are about equally rare because inevitably they all become thin and conventionally attractive so their weight or ugliness never becomes an actual point.
確かに!どっちもレアすぎるよな。結局みんな痩せて普通に可愛くなっちゃうから、デブとか不細工設定が活きることなんてないんだよな〜しんどいッ!感情くん
Earlier-Today
Check out an old TV show called Freaks and Geeks, and an old movie called Angus.
草、古い作品やんけ。Freaks and Geeksってドラマと、Angusって映画、ワイも好きやで。青春モノって昔から変わらんのな(笑)2ちゃん
Great-Foundation4990
Maybe not your city, but if you look in higher income brackets it is very much a thing.
確かに都会じゃないかもね。でも高所得層見てみ?めっちゃあるあるだわ。感情くん
Earlier-Today
What, they're just supposed to work on their personalities or something? Don't you know that people can't change? That's why they need to change by losing weight to attract people.
え?性格を直せって言うの?人間って変わらないもんだろ。だから体重減らして人を引き寄せるしかないんだよ。普通くん
Great-Foundation4990
One month is fairly unrealistic for the weight loss and super unrealistic for abs, but over a summer vacation, about 3 months, is not unrealistic for the weight loss at all considering he is a male going through puberty.
1ヶ月であの減量は非現実的すぎるし、腹筋なんてガチで無理やろ。でも夏休みの3ヶ月くらいなら、思春期の男子ってことを考えたら減量自体は別に不可能じゃないンゴね。2ちゃん
myverycoolaccount
原文
One of the most plain and sloppy "life re-do" anime I've watched. So we have the main character, who goes back in the past (not sure how far), and gets fit in ONE month (sure). But his entire goal in being in the past is getting with a first year high schooler... really? None of the other characters are anything interesting either. They all lack in any personality. In one episode with a supporting cast of 5/6 characters, somehow the first episode fails to make a single one of them interesting. Is this supposed to be rental girlfriend where everyone is just simping for Hikari? Hell, her best friend did literally nothing but introduce herself as "Hikari's Best Friend". Not a single thing about herself! The only good thing is that his personality isn't a sudden 180. He's still portrayed as awkward with realistic, lasting self-image problems, even after getting fit. We don't see him lead any conversations and rather still just rides the coattails of other people's socializing. He second guesses the things he does say based on his low self-esteem. I was really hoping for a twist "Hikari has also gone back in her life!" at the end to redeem it, but nope.
見た中で一番薄っぺらい「人生やり直し」アニメだったな。主人公は過去に戻って(どれくらい前かは不明)、たった1ヶ月で体を鍛え上げる(はいはい)。でも過去に戻った目的が高校1年生の女の子と付き合うことって…マジかよ?他のキャラも全く面白くない。全員個性がないんだよ。5〜6人のサブキャラがいるのに、初回で一人も興味を引かないってどういうこと?これって「ヒカリにみんな夢中」なレンタル彼女的な作品なのか?親友の子も「ヒカリの親友です」って名乗っただけだし、自分について何も語ってない!唯一良かったのは、主人公の性格が急に180度変わらないところ。体を鍛えても内面は変わらず、現実的な自己肯定感の低さが描かれてる。会話をリードせず、他人の社交に乗っかってるだけ。発言も自己卑下で迷ってる。最後に「ヒカリも人生やり直してる!」ってどんでん返しを期待したけど、なかったわ。普通くん
djthomp
原文
I assume Haibara blacked out and fell off his balcony from early onset lung cancer and pavement-sama stood in for truck-kun. I can certainly understand wanting to lose weight if you get a second chance at things like this, but that seemed like a bit much for only one month of work. Having some of the new friends be the same ones that he knew before and who treated him badly is a thing for sure. I guess we may see why they treated him badly since otherwise why befriend people who you know are awful. Childhood friend who is already out of the prospective harem is pretty fun so far.
ワイの予想やと、灰原は肺がんの初期症状で気絶してベランダから落ちて、路面様がトラック君の代わりを務めたんやろなw 第二の人生でダイエットしたい気持ちはわかるけど、たった1ヶ月であれはやりすぎやろwww 昔のクソみたいな友達がそのまま再登場するのは確かにアレやな。なんでわざわざまた友達になるんやろな。まあ、彼らがなぜクズだったかの理由が明かされるんやろうけど。 幼なじみがすでにハーレム候補から外れてるのは今のところ結構おもろいンゴwww2ちゃん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
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Great-Foundation4990
Getting abs is unrealistic but the weight lose isn't too crazy considering he is most likely currently going through puberty.
腹筋はさすがに無理ゲーやろwwwでも体重減るのは思春期ならありえんこともないンゴね2ちゃん
Earlier-Today
Yeah, growing, mid-teens, boy being able to lose weight isn't a stretch at all - though it is a lot in a short amount of time (looks to be around 20 pounds that he dropped - should take 2.5 to 5 months to drop that safely).
この減量描写、成長期の中高生男子なら不可能ではないという考察ができる。ただ短期間で約20ポンド(約9kg)落としてる計算になるから、安全に落とすなら2.5〜5ヶ月はかかるはず。制作陣が現実的な時間経過をどう扱うか気になるな。考察くん
SMA2343
Close enough, welcome back Re:Life...actually no? I'm not really feeling the first episode, everything just weirdly fell into place perfectly right in the first episode. Wouldn't he already know of Uta and the other friends if they were in his class already? Or at least heard of them being loud?
Re:Lifeに近い感じだな…いや違うかも。初回は正直ピンとこなかった。なんか全部が都合よく進みすぎてる気がする。もしクラスメイトだったら、ウタたちのこと知ってるはずだし、少なくとも騒がしいって噂くらい聞いてるだろ。普通くん
zool714
原文
Well, just as we have our usual generic isekai, I guess this is our generic romcom for this season. At least from what I’m seeing in this first ep. Definitely has strong wish fulfilment elements. Losing that much weight in a month is certainly a fantasy lol. And being able to redo your social life too. Kinda like ReLife but I found the dialogue and interactions a bit more cringey. But honestly it’s still watchable for me so I’m gonna stay tuned.
まあ毎度おなじみの量産型異世界モンと一緒に、今期の量産型ラブコメって感じやな。初回見た感じだと。確かに願望実現要素強めやわ。1ヶ月でそんな痩せるのはファンタジーやろ草。人間関係もリセットできるしな。ReLifeっぽいけど会話とか絡みがちょっとキツかったわ。でも普通に見れるからワイは追うンゴ。2ちゃん
fer_sure
Losing that much weight in a month is certainly a fantasy lol. I was gonna say that he homebrewed some Ozempic, but he's only from 2021.
1ヶ月でその体重減少はさすがにファンタジーだよね笑。オゼンピックを自家製したのかと思ったけど、彼は2021年の人間か。普通くん
JamesSomdet
原文
This is such a simple and relatable concept because many people want to relive their adolescence to fix things they regret! I love how MC’s all about bettering himself at that point in life now. The only thing I’m iffy about are those friends. I just hope the reason they didn’t like him in his first life is for some reason than because he was fat. Because if they just were mean to him because of that when he made an attempt to fit in, they aren’t really good people and don’t deserve him at his best.
この作品の根幹にある「後悔を修正するために青春をやり直したい」というテーマは、非常に共感を呼ぶし、現実的だよな。主人公が今度こそ自己改善に全力を注いでいる姿勢には好感が持てる。ただ、気になるのはあの友人たちだ。前の人生で彼らが主人公を嫌っていた理由が、単に太っていたからという理由じゃないことを願う。もし彼が溶け込もうと努力していたのに、体型だけで冷たくされたのなら、彼らは根本的に良い人間とは言えないし、最高の状態になった主人公には相応しくないという考察ができる。考察くん
HellzHound_616
Realistically, it would be his unsocial and awkward behaviour that would get him in trouble and not make friends. He's acting more natural, more experienced even though he's still somewhat insecure. BUT. Since it's japan... Yes. The most important part is not what I just mentioned. aka, It's because he was fat (= ugly).
現実的に考えたら、彼の非社交的で不器用な態度が原因でトラブルになって友達もできないだろうな。でも、彼はまだ不安を抱えつつも、より自然で、むしろ経験を積んだように振る舞ってる。でもな。日本だと……そう。一番大事なのはさっき言ったことじゃない。つまり、彼が太ってた(=ブサイクだった)からってことだよ。普通くん
JamesSomdet
原文
So his being unsocial and awkward was exactly what I was thinking at first too! But then I’m looking at the episode again. I’m not a manga reader, but just based on the episode, it seems like they actually made him social and outgoing in his first life. Like, when he introduced himself to the class, he definitely made an attempt to be outgoing. Now it definitely seemed awkward, but it seems like it was just awkward because he was fat. And like you said, because it’s Japan, his weight is probably the dominating factor. Idk, there might be more to the story, but I’d at least rather see him be friends with someone who did treat him well in his first life
なるほど、最初は俺も彼が非社交的で不器用なタイプだと思ってたんだよな。でも改めてエピソードを見直すと、実は前世でも彼は社交的で外向的だった可能性が浮かび上がってくる。クラスでの自己紹介シーンを見る限り、明らかに積極的に振る舞おうとしてたしな。ただ、それが不器用に見えたのは体型のせいだったんだろう。そして指摘の通り、日本の社会風土を考慮すると、体重が支配的な要因だったと考察できる。まだ物語に隠された要素があるかもしれないが、少なくとも前世で彼に優しくしてくれた人間と友情を築く展開を俺は見たい。考察くん
Cheetah_05
He seemed like he was trying to go for social and outgoing, but the red haired guy's comment about "not wanting to cover for him anymore" seems to imply that he was also doing something bad or annoying. So his own actions and behavior also definitely seemed to play a part in why his life in high school was the way it is
赤髪の奴が「もうフォローしたくない」って言ってたのを見ると、彼も何か悪いこととか迷惑なことしてたっぽいね。だから自分の行動や態度も、高校生活がああなった原因の一つだったんだろうな。普通くん
McWinSauce
These "redo your highschool" stories never sit right with me because as an adult the last thing you'd want to do is hang out with teenagers.
「高校生活やり直し」系の話、ワイはどうも受け入れられへんわ。だって大人になったら十代のガキ共と遊びたいとか絶対思わんやん。2ちゃん
Wishbone-Lost
on the other hand buying stocks has never been cheaper
え、逆に株買うのがめっちゃ安くなってるじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
Guy must have been on one hell of a diet and exercise regimen to lose all that weight in a single month lol. Seems to have really paid off. He’s got himself a group of friends and his crush seems to have a little crush on him. And it’s only been what? A week or something? This wasn’t half bad. Premise of this one reminded me of that series Remake Our Life. Let’s see if it’s really gonna be all smooth sailing from here on out.
この1ヶ月で全部落とすって、めちゃくちゃな食事制限と運動してたんだろうなw 効果バッチリじゃん。友達もできたし、憧れの人からも少し気に入られてるっぽい。それでまだ1週間くらい?悪くなかったよ。設定が『リメイク・アワー・ライフ!』思い出した。ここから本当に順調なのか見ものだな。普通くん
Frontier246
Also even his sister thinks he's hotter now, even if she's a tsundere about it lol. They kind of speedran becoming a friend group and becoming close with the most popular girl in the school.
それな!妹もツンデレしながら「今の方がカッコいい」って認めてるの笑える。しかも友達グループできて学校一の人気女子と仲良くなるの早すぎるッ!感情くん
athrun_1
tbf, if he runs 5x a week and eat a strict diet, it can drastically expedite the progress before hitting the plateau.
確かに週5で走って食事制限すれば、停滞期に入る前の成長はかなり早くなると思うよ。普通くん
Great-Foundation4990
He is going through puberty, what do you mean plateau? 🤣
思春期真っ最中なんだから、頭打ちとかないっしょ!🤣 やばくない?笑ギャル
darkcyde_
Agreed, a change that drastic would've taken 3-6 months realistically. But anime magic so whatever.
確かに!現実なら3〜6ヶ月はかかる変化だよな。でもアニメの魔法ってことで全部許すわw感情くん
Great-Foundation4990
One word: Puberty. So many people commenting seem to be thinking this is some 30+ y/o. If you take advantage of puberty and have a legitimate fitness/diet routine, a male can make crazy changes in an amount of time that feels unfair once you hit 35 or so.
一言で言うと「思春期」。多くの人が30代以上と勘違いしてるみたいだけど、思春期を味方につけて適切な筋トレと食事管理をすれば、男性は35歳くらいで訪れる「不公平だな」と感じる時期までに、驚異的な変化を遂げられるんだよな。この作品はそのリアルな成長曲線を描いてるという考察ができる。考察くん
SoapWaster
in relife atleast the mc got together with another person who also had undergone the procedure, this might get a little weird ngl
それな!でもReLIFEの主人公はちゃんと同じ処置を受けた人とくっついたんだよな。これはちょっとキモくなりそうでしんどいッ!感情くん
Earlier-Today
A 25 year old going after 15 year old high school girls just doesn't work for me regardless of the circumstances. I'm gonna pass on this one.
25歳が15歳の女子高生追いかけるってのはどんな事情があっても無理やろ。ワイはパスやわ。2ちゃん
MM305
Was he even control of home traveling? I just thought I gapped out of a random which came true situation. Also, he’s not 25 when he time traveled back. He at the high school age again, so who was he going to date at that age? Logically, another high school?
あのホーム旅行、彼がコントロールしてたのかな?俺はてっきり適当に言ったことが偶然当たっただけかと思ってた。それに、タイムリープした時は25歳じゃなくて高校生の年齢に戻ってるんだよね。その年で誰とデートするんだよ?考えたら、相手も高校生ってことになるのかな。普通くん
Earlier-Today
His mind - which is more him than his body - is 25. Logically, you just don't date in high school in that situation - it's not like no one ever does that. It's kind of the majority who do that. Doing it intentionally would be easy.
草、そらそうやろ。本人の意識は25歳やしな。高校で恋愛するのは論理的におかしいって話や。まあ大多数は普通にやるけど、わざとやるのは簡単やん。2ちゃん
MM305
原文
Considering how popular he already gotten and the urges that are there, not dating for like 3-4 years is a realistic struggle to do on purpose (unlike before when he didn’t have the confidence/luck/skill with women in his first go round). Also, as a high schooler now, I don’t think he can bring a high school girl to do adult stuff at their age (drinking, drugs, clubs) without getting himself in trouble, so I don’t think we need to worry about manipulation. It’s not a situation where he’ll turn back to 25 at that time period while everyone else stays at their ages, they are all going to age with him. Overall, this situation is not something of his (intentional) control, and he just now got sent back at a time period where he has redo his high school life again and has a chance to do it differently than before as he has hoped (a realistic thought that I’m sure a lot of adults think about).
すでに人気出てるし欲求もある中で、わざと3〜4年付き合わないのは現実的に大変だよね(前回みたいに女性に対する自信・運・スキルがなかった時とは違うし)。それに今は高校生だし、未成年を連れて飲酒・薬・クラブとか大人の遊びに誘ったらトラブルになるから、そういう操作の心配はしなくていいと思う。全員が一緒に年を取っていくから、自分だけ25歳に戻るわけでもないし。結局、この状況は彼の意図的なコントロール外で、ただ高校生活をやり直すチャンスが来たってこと。多くの大人が考えるリアルな願望だよね。普通くん
Earlier-Today
Dude, you're literally arguing that the guy couldn't possibly have SELF CONTROL . There is nothing good that comes from that kind of thinking, especially because it's so wrong.
「いやマジで、お前はあの男に自制心なんて絶対ないって主張してるだけじゃん。そんな考え方から良いことなんて何も生まれないし、何より間違ってるからな!」感情くん
MM305
原文
But what’s the wrong here? That a high schooler is dating another high schooler (but one of them came from the future, even though his current body, birth certificate, living circumstances, are all that of a high schooler)? We all know he wouldn’t date a high schooler if he was in his college age like in the beginning, and he can’t go after college/adult women at his physical high school age, so what’s the danger here? He can’t make them go drinking, drugs, clubs if he can’t do it himself. He can’t introduce them to shady adults since they have never met at his age. He can’t take them to his private house since he only lives with his mom and sister and doesn’t have a car yet. It’s not a case of pedophilia where he would date a high schooler because he wants to even if he was (physically) an adult. He’s only doing it because in the new timeline he is in, it’s the only acceptable outcome in this circumstances.
何が問題なんや?高校生同士が付き合ってるだけやん(片方は未来から来たけど、今の身体も戸籍も生活環境も高校生やし)。元の大学時代なら高校生と付き合わんのは分かるけど、今の高校生の身体じゃ成人女性と付き合えへんやろ。飲酒も薬もクラブも自分ができひんから連れて行けんし、怪しい大人を紹介することもできへん。車もないし実家暮らしでプライベートな場所もない。これは成人の身体で高校生を狙う小児性愛とは違うんや。新しいタイムラインで唯一許容される結果やからやってるだけやで。2ちゃん
Earlier-Today
He's not a high schooler. He's a 25 year old man who looks like a high schooler. That's quite a bit different. The problematic part of those kinds of relationships isn't that their bodies are too different in age, it's that their minds are too different in age. You're working really hard to defend something that's awful.
彼は高校生じゃない。見た目は高校生だが、中身は25歳の成人男性だ。この違いはかなり大きい。そういう関係性の問題点は、身体の年齢差ではなく、精神的な年齢差にある。あなたは明らかに問題のあるものを必死に擁護しているように見える。考察くん
MM305
原文
Because you are acting like this a 1:1 to pedophile/groomer incident, when it really isn’t!! We know he would never even think about dating high school girls if he was in his adult stage like in the beginning, but his physical age/body/circumstances/years sent him back to High-School (meaning he can’t date college/adult women because it would get them in trouble as a pedophile/groomer even if their minds do match in age). Mind only matters if the power of manipulation/exploitation is possible, but it can’t be in his because his High-school body,presences/lifestyle prevents him from even thinking about it. This is not a situation where he can magically switch being an adult and a high schooler, and is praying on high-schooler when he really is an adult and can be turned back into one. He’s someone getting a real do-over to no intentional fault of his own, and is physically stuck as a high schooler until his body ages to an adult (where everyone else like those he’ll be dating, will age with him). Like to see how something like this would apply with real-life laws: Yeah officer, Can you arrest this high-schooler for dating another high schooler because he is actually an older guy living inside as a high-schooler?! But whatever, if you and anyone really wants to put a bad stamp on a show like this, that’s all on you, so I would advise not watching and leave it to folks like me who can watch this without trying to put random negative thoughts unless it’s for actual thorough reasons.
この作品を変態的な事件と完全に同じように扱うのはおかしいよ!主人公が大人の状態だったら絶対に女子高生とデートしようとは思わないって分かってる。でも身体的には高校生に戻ってるんだから、同じ年齢の女子高生と付き合っても問題ないでしょ。心の年齢が合ってても、身体が高校生なら搾取や操作はできないし、実際にそんなこと考える余裕もないんだよ。 これは大人のまま高校生を狙ってるケースとは全然違う。彼は自分の意思じゃなくて本当にやり直しをさせられてて、身体が大人になるまで高校生として過ごすしかないんだ。現実の法律で考えてみなよ「この高校生を逮捕してください。中身はおじさんなんです!」って言えるか?もしどうしても悪いレッテルを貼りたいなら見なきゃいいよ。ちゃんと理由があって批判するなら別だけどね。普通くん
Earlier-Today
It literally is. You can pretend it isn't because of how he looks, but the reality is that he's a full on 25 year old adult trying to date a high school kid. "The law won't know, so it's fine!" So, crime is okay as long as you can get away with it? Come on, dude.
確かに外見で誤魔化されてるけど、現実問題として彼は25歳の成人が高校生と交際しようとしてるんだよな。「法律にバレなきゃいい」って発想自体がもう…要するに、逃げ切れるなら犯罪もOKって論理になるわけで。これは制作サイドが意図的に描いた倫理的問題だと思われる。考察くん
MM305
原文
I just edited this in so I noted you didn’t read this: This is not a situation where he can magically switch being an adult and a high schooler, and is praying on high-schooler when he really is an adult and can be turned back into one. He’s someone who got a real do-over to no intentional fault of his own, and is physically stuck as a high schooler until his body ages to an adult (where everyone else like those he’ll be dating, will age with him). He’s at a state where legally, high schoolers are his only options in dating because he can’t legally date adult women until he ages to becoming an adult man. But again, if this your view of this situation, then I would not recommend watching this series.
この点は編集で追加したんだけど、君は読んでなかったみたいだね。この状況は、彼が大人と高校生を魔法みたいに行き来できるわけじゃないんだ。本当は大人なのに高校生に取り憑いてるってわけでもなくて、自分の意図しないところで人生をやり直すことになって、身体的には大人になるまで高校生のままなんだ(一緒にデートする相手も一緒に年を取っていく)。法律的には、高校生としかデートできない状態で、大人の女性とデートするには彼自身が成人になるまで待たなきゃいけない。でも、もしこれが君の見方なら、このシリーズはオススメしないかな。普通くん
YOU_KNOW_WHO315
at least this mc is better than that certain isekai mc who str8 up tried molesting a 9yr old
せやな、少なくともこの主人公はマシやわ。あの9歳児に直で手出そうとした転生主人公よりはなwww2ちゃん
Earlier-Today
Eh, one guy being a bigger creep doesn't change the other from still being a creep.
まあ、一人がよりヤバいってだけで、もう一人が普通ってわけじゃないと思うけどね。普通くん
Dependent_Bet_7532
Dude.... Was It Only Me? It Was Cringy Af... Weird.... Some Scenes Don't Even Make Any Sense.... Wth... Did I Watched?
え、マジで…俺だけ?これクソダサくない…?変すぎるし…意味わからんシーン多すぎじゃね…何見せられたんだよ…感情くん
SoulbreakerNB
Their innocence in that group chat scene is killing me inside. I want more.
あのグループチャットのシーンでの彼らの純真さに悶えるわ。もっと見たい。普通くん
athrun_1
This is basically relife and masamune kun's revenge rolled into one. and I'm gonna watch it. Pretty sure we all have that regret at some point in our lives that we want to redo.
リライフと政宗くんのリベンジ合わせた感じやな。ワイも観るわ。人生で誰しも「やり直したい」って後悔あるやろ。せやな。2ちゃん
Frontier246
Also it's just kind of the epitome of Japanese romcoms which is all because burnt out office workers look back at their high school years with rose-colored glasses lol.
それな!まさに日本のラブコメの真髄だよね。結局、疲れた社畜が高校時代を美化して振り返ってるだけってのが笑えるww感情くん
Usual-Government809
It's not a burnt out office worker trope at all. The MC there is actually a successful college student that is about to graduate and land a job easily but pathetically wanted so badly to hook up with his crush.
この作品は、いわゆる「疲れたサラリーマンもの」とは全く異なる。主人公は実際には順調な大学生で、卒業目前で就職も決まっているのに、片思いの相手とどうしても繋がりたくて滑稽なまでに執着している、という構造が読み取れる。考察くん
Usual-Government809
No, it's never looked like Re Life nor Masamune-kun Revenge at all. The MC goal is to hook up with his crush who rejected him in the past timeline. Re Life and Masamune-kun don't have the same thing with this at all.
いや、ReLifeとか政宗くんのリベンジとは全然似てないと思う。主人公の目的は過去のタイムラインで振られた相手と付き合うことだし、その点でReLifeや政宗くんとは全く違うよ。普通くん
wutfacer
NOT MY NEW GAME Cries in Aoba
ワイのニューゲームがぁぁぁ!!青葉ちゃん泣くンゴwww2ちゃん
pdxLink
Wish fulfillment grooming. Remake Our Lives had a similar set up, but that one had the MC returning to his first year of college and he didn't spend his first time back thinking about hooking up with teenage girls.
願望充足のグルーミングみたいだな。『ぼくたちのリメイク』も似た設定だったけど、あっちは主人公が大学1年に戻って、10代の女の子と付き合うことばかり考えてなかったしね。普通くん
FinancialYear475
A bit basic so far but I did like the childhood friend so I'll give it a shot
まだシンプルな展開やけど、幼なじみの子が可愛かったからワイは続けてみるンゴwww2ちゃん
seledri_kerikil
I'm sorry, but... I honestly think Yuino is far more beautiful than Hikari. Kinda funny how the show trying to make Hikari as the most beautiful one, when her best friend also no joke. Also, solely judging from the ED (OP?), it looks like there's another beautiful blonde girl joining their group too.
正直言うと…俺はヒカリより結乃の方がずっと可愛いと思うんだよね。作品はヒカリを一番の美少女にしようとしてるけど、親友もめちゃくちゃ可愛いじゃん。あとED(OPだっけ?)見る限り、もう一人金髪の可愛い子が仲間入りしそうだね。普通くん
Maxizag123
I prefer blondes but like even I admit that Yuino is just way better lmao
いやマジで!普段は金髪派なんだけど、結乃ちゃんは別格すぎるんだよな笑ギャル
Western-Internal-751
Dude jumped back in time because he couldn’t date the prettiest girl in Highschool and now his adult brain tries his best to be with a teenager girl. They should make an anime with a similar premise where the MC then goes to school and realizes that his Highschool crush is just a kid and gets weirded out.
草ァ!タイムリープしてまで高嶺の花と付き合いたいとかガチのロリコンやんけwww せやな、逆パターンで「大人の脳みそで女子高生見たら普通に引く」ってアニメも需要ありそうやな。2ちゃん
MM305
He’s physically a teenager again when he time travel back. Who was he going to try to date if he’s in High school at the high school age? Logically, another high schooler! Also, was he not in control of his time traveling?
タイムリープしたら体も10代に戻ってるんだよな。高校生の年齢で誰とデートするかって話なら、そりゃ同年代の高校生だろ!それに、タイムリープを自分でコントロールできてなかったってこと?普通くん
YOU_KNOW_WHO315
just keep yo dih in yo pants or any relationship until u turn 18 is it that hard ?
「18歳になるまではズボンのチャック閉めてろって話だよな。そんなに難しいことか?」感情くん