RemoveSmart6147
The most unrealistic part is that all countries are cooperating with them lol
最も非現実的な部分は、世界中の国々が奴らと協力しているという点でござるな。ははっ、笑ってしまうわい。武士
justking1414
It’s easier to cooperate when facing a massive insane threat that could wipe them all out at any point Also, isolationism doesn’t work great when you’re in the Stone Age and don’t have a lot of ways to gather key resources
確かに、いつ全滅してもおかしくないレベルのヤバい脅威に直面してるなら、協力する方が楽だよね。それに、石器時代で重要な資源を集める手段も限られてる中で孤立主義は通用しないしな。普通くん
RelativeMundane9045
Indeed, I think it's fairy apt to say that science is the great unifier of humanity. Albeit maybe a little on the nose in this show.
まじそれな!科学って人類を一つにする最強のツールじゃん!この作品ではちょっとストレートすぎる気もするけどね笑ギャル
justking1414
I’ve said since season 1 that this show is realistic but with the caveat that Senku only rolls Nat 20s and Nat 1s Unifying humanity like this would be possible if they just got real freaking lucky
某、第1話より申しておるが、この物語は現実的ではあるが、千空が常にナチュラル20とナチュラル1ばかり振っておるという但し書きが必要でござるな。人類をこのように統合するなど、途方もない幸運に恵まれねば叶わぬ業よ。武士
redditraptor6
Ooh, that’s a fun way to put it. I always say it’s realistic in everything except the human beings themselves, as every single person is insanely superhuman in a variety of ways
おお、それは面白い言い方だね。俺はいつも「人間以外は全部リアル」って言ってるんだよ。だって登場人物みんな、いろんな意味でめちゃくちゃ超人すぎるし。普通くん
justking1414
Haha. Honestly, I’m more bothered by the science than the people. Nothing (besides the rocket launches) ever goes wrong for Senku and the gang. The devices always work exactly as intended on their very first try with no faulty parts or issues (even when those parts are manufactured by very tired people repeating the process to make them hundreds of times)
草www ワイ的には人間より科学の方が気になるンゴ
千空たち、ロケット発射以外は何もかも完璧に成功しとるやん
初めて作った装置が一発で動いて、不良品もゼロ
しかもめっちゃ疲れた人が何百回も同じ作業繰り返して作った部品なのにガチでおかしいやろ2ちゃん
Hot-Log6283
I am pretty sure they just skip over any failure, I mean they already show the many attempts and how long it took Suika to recreate the revival fluid and also the battery for the medusa so no point showing the same things again and again.
確かに失敗シーンは飛ばしてるよね。スイカが復活液を作り直すまでの試行錯誤やメデューサのバッテリー制作の時間は既に描かれてるし、同じことを何度も見せる必要はないと思う。普通くん
justking1414
Yeah but those are the exceptions. Pretty much everything else they’ve ever invented went off without a hitch.
いやでもそれは例外じゃん?笑 てか今まで作った発明品はほぼ全部うまくいってるし!やばくね!?ギャル
hanmkim
The starter characters Senku got had crazy base stats too.
初期キャラの千空、ベースステータスやばすぎたんだよな普通くん
justking1414
Fair. I also sometimes joke that this is as much of a superhero show as MHA lol
確かにw 俺もこれMHA並みのヒーローものだって冗談言ってるわ笑wwwおじ
RelativeMundane9045
Lol so true.
確かにそれな(笑)普通くん
The_Parsee_Man
Also they have a core group of loyalists at each site.
各拠点に忠誠心の高い中核メンバーがいるってわけかw なるほどな笑wwwおじ
justking1414
they did...then everyone went back home after they figured out the internet
確かに…インターネットを完成させた後みんな家に帰ったんだよね普通くん
Rolder
They probably also took care to revive leaders with good temperament.
ふむ…彼らはきっと、気性の穏やかな指導者たちを優先して復活させたのだろう。それはまさに、我が目で見た秩序の再生の一幕よ。中二病
Aliensinnoh
Yeah, like, it isn’t the existing leadership of each country that got revived, it was people necessary for the mission. I don’t even think it would be correct to think of the world in terms of the countries that existed in the past at this stage. Right now it’s still very small fractions in each location.
確かに、復活したのは各国の既存のリーダー層じゃなくて、ミッションに必要な人材だよね。この段階で昔あった国単位で世界を考えるのは間違ってると思う。今はまだ各地にごく一部の人間しかいないしね。普通くん
justking1414
Not sure about that. The internet summit this episode seemed staff mostly be scientists since they understood Senku s explanation. If there were actually political leaders amongst them, I think they’d have been the faces on the screens
ふむ…確かに、今宵のインターネット会議に集いし者たちは、千空の説明を理解できる科学者たちが大半だったようだ。もし真に政治的指導者がそこにいたなら、スクリーンに映る顔は彼らだったであろう。我が直感、それすらも運命の歯車の一部なのか。中二病
hanmkim
I think isolationism works best in the Stone Age because you're less likely to get outside interference from someone who just completely mogs you. In the modern world, isolationism gets you left behind really quickly and/or taken over.
鎖国政策が石器時代に有効だったのは、外部から圧倒的な力で介入されるリスクが低いからだという考察ができる。現代社会で鎖国をすると、すぐに取り残されるか乗っ取られるのがオチだよな。作品内の戦略的な選択として非常に理にかなっている。考察くん
justking1414
True but it also means you have to survive on literally what’s within reach and with who you’ve managed to wake up (plus they can’t wake up more people without Senku s help). If given that choice, I think most people would choose to join the massive kingdom that has actually managed to bring back most foods and just developed the internet
確かにそうだね。でもそれはつまり、手の届く範囲にあるものだけで生き延びて、たまたま起こせたメンバーとやっていくってことだし(しかも千空の助けなしでは人を増やせない)。もし選べるなら、ほとんどの人は実際に食料を取り戻してインターネットまで作った巨大な王国に加わる方を選ぶと思うよ。普通くん
hanmkim
Of course people already exposed to modern life would prefer to not be isolationist, even now developed nations are willing to ignore slave labor and human rights abuses just for cheap energy and plastic goods, I was more focused on how the only way isolationism works is if the entire world was stuck in the Stone Age, otherwise you get Matthew C. Perry forcing open up your island nation.
まあ、現代社会に慣れた人間が鎖国を選ばないのは当然だよな。今だって先進国は安いエネルギーやプラスチック製品のために奴隷労働や人権侵害を見過ごしてる。問題は、鎖国が成立するには全世界が石器時代に留まるしかないってことだ。さもなければペリーみたいな奴が来て強制的に開国させられる。ドライおじ
WhoWantsToJiggle
the whole different countries being revived and just having to deal with it and who knows about leaders and building up anything. the pacing of this whole season is so off.
確かに各国が復活してそれぞれ対処しなきゃいけないって展開、リーダーとか国作りとかどうなってるか全然わかんないし。今シーズン全体のテンポがおかしいよね。普通くん
saga999
I disagree. I think the pacing is just right. This is ultimately a science show, not a politics show. So dealing with all the political stuff is just derailing the story they are trying to tell.
いや、むしろペーシングは完璧だと思う!これは科学のアニメであって政治のアニメじゃないんだよ。政治要素を詰め込みすぎると本筋がブレるだけだし。今のバランスが最高すぎるッ!感情くん
WhoWantsToJiggle
I mean even the science is being super speed run this season
確かに今期は科学の進歩もめっちゃ早いよね普通くん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
原文
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まあ、これは自動削除だな。アニメのスレで原作の話をするなってルールなんだろう。俺のコメントはネタバレじゃなくて、原作の話を間違った場所で書いたから消されたってことだ。ルールはルールだし、仕方ないな。ドライおじ
IDrawCopper
I'm kind of disappointed by the pacing of this final season, ESPECIALLY in this last cour. Feels like we skipped over a lot of interesting ideas for the sake of moving the plot along. But honestly, I'm about ready for this to be wrapped up so whatever I GUESS.
今回の最終シーズン、特にこの最後のクールのペースにはちょっとがっかりだな。面白いアイデアをたくさん飛ばして話を進めてる感じがする。でも正直、もう終わってほしい気持ちもあるから、まあいいかって感じ。普通くん
Golden_Phi
原文
There's not much potential inter-human conflict potential to spice things up. First was VS Tsukasa and company, then was VS Ibara and company, then it was VS Zeno and company. One of the newly de-petrified nations could turn against the Kingdom of Science for a conflict. That could've happened if they de-petrified the wrong person. But then the Kingdom of Science could just Medusa them. The only conflict remaining is the VS Why Man.
なるほど、確かに人間同士の対立構造が少ないのはDr.STONEの特徴だな。最初は司帝国、次にイバラ、そしてゼノ派と、敵対勢力が明確だったが、新たに石化が解けた国家が科学王国に敵対する可能性もあった。もし間違った人物を復活させたらそうなったかもしれないが、科学王国はメデューサで対処できる。結局、残された対立はWhy-manだけという考察ができる。これは作品の方向性を意図的に絞った制作陣の判断だろう。考察くん
Arzhart
To be fair, we already had several iterations of "not cooperative humans", since Stone Wars, Treasure Island and then Xeno Empire Putting MORE of that now would be very meh
確かに、石の戦争から宝島、そしてゼノ帝国まで「協力的じゃない人間」のパターンはもう何度も見てきたし、これ以上続けると正直ダレると思う。普通くん
Golden_Phi
Any more hostile humans can now be handled with Medusa too. No way to keep it interesting when one side can end the conflict in a literal flash.
もうメデューサで敵対的な人間も対処できちゃうのかよ。片方が一瞬で戦いを終わらせられるのに、どうやって面白さを保てっていうんだ。無理すぎるッ!感情くん
ohoni
I view it as that they wake people up very carefully into a system already in motion, such that nobody has the time to build up some crazy resistance to what's going on, because they're too busy doing their jobs, and too contented with all the "no longer being stone" they're doing.
あれってさ、動き出してるシステムに慎重に人々を起こしてるってことだよね。そうすれば誰も抵抗する余裕なくて、みんな石化から解放されたことに満足して仕事に忙しくしてるってわけか。普通くん
AvatarTuner
Indeed lol However, I really like the message behind this and wish it would be that easy in the real world too. The optimism and generally positive attitudes and outlook are what I love about this series and I'm glad they could unify the people for the most part.
確かに(笑)。でも、この回のメッセージ性は本当に好きだし、現実世界でもこれくらい簡単にいけばなって思うよ。Dr.STONEの楽観主義と全体的なポジティブな姿勢や展望こそが、このシリーズの魅力だと思う。大半の人々を統一できた点も、制作陣の意図がしっかり読める良い展開だな。考察くん
rat_infestation
Have you seen how the great lord orange king has unified the world against him? Why Man is an existential threat almost at the same caliber, and their world doesn't have the distractions that our world does
「オレンジの大王」が世界を統一して人類を敵に回す展開、見た?あの世界では人間自体が存在を脅かすレベルで、しかもこっちの世界みたいな気晴らしもないんだよな普通くん
Roeclean
somewhat funny, but even south park hasn't went that far with Trump hate.
草、サウスパークですらあそこまでトランプ叩きしてないンゴwww2ちゃん
rat_infestation
They literally said he's sleeping with the Devil though 😢 Also I mean. We can see the world (mostly) coming together and developing relationships outside of America's influence because of how he has alienated everyone singlehandedly. By the end of his term there will be so much unity in the rest of the world that he might actually deserve an ironic Nobel Peace Prize, not just the Fifa one he won
「文字通り悪魔と寝てるって言われてたけどな😢 それに、彼が独りで各国を遠ざけたおかげで、世界が(ほとんど)アメリカの影響抜きで結束して関係を築いてる様子が見えるんだよね。任期が終わる頃には、残りの世界がめっちゃ団結してて、皮肉にも彼が勝ち取ったFIFAのじゃなくて、本物のノーベル平和賞に値するかもしれないな」普通くん
Roeclean
原文
Lol, I'm just saying that your speakinfbwayyy to generally. Let's not forget that America is somehow still Allies with Japan and even after the horrendous joke Trump let out during his meeting with their prime minister. But still, let's stop digressing into the political state of the world. One of the best things of anime is escaping from whatever situation you are in to enjoy a good story that is hopefully animated well (and many anime this season have been)
確かに、君の言い分はあまりに一般論に過ぎるという考察ができる。アメリカと日本が同盟関係にあるのは事実だが、トランプ首相との会談でのあの発言を踏まえると、政治的な現実は単純じゃない。ただ、本題から逸れるのは避けよう。アニメの最大の魅力は、現実逃避して良質なストーリーに没入できる点だ。今期の作品は作画も安定しており、その点は評価に値する。考察くん
EclipseTM
Hmmm I get what Ryusui is thinking and honestly quite surprising the man who 'wants it all' is considering giving up his seat to go to bloody space.
なるほど、龍水の考えはわかるな。「全部欲しい」って男がまさか宇宙に行くために席を譲ろうとしてるとは、正直意外だわ。普通くん
mkluczka
obviously wants the best pilot
やばくね!?明らかに最高のパイロット狙ってるじゃん!ギャル
Mons9090
I mean Stanley is the best plane pilot . He's never flown a spacecship before . Ryuusui is the best all rounder
スナイダーは飛行機の操縦では間違いなく最強だよね。でも宇宙船は初めてだし。龍水はオールラウンダーとして一番だと思う。普通くん
justking1414
Neither has Ryu Plus Stanley is a better shooter
やばくない!?リュウもすごいけどスタンレーの方がシューターとして上じゃん!まじでヤバすぎるんだけど笑ギャル
Aliensinnoh
Sure, but like NASA recruits airplane pilots to be its spaceflight pilots. The skills aren’t exactly the same, but there is a lot of stuff that is transferable.
確かに!NASAだって飛行機のパイロットを宇宙飛行士として採用してるしな。完全に同じスキルじゃないけど、めっちゃ応用効くんだよな。これマジで納得すぎるッ!感情くん
Mons9090
Stanley is a soldier first pilot second while ryuusui is a born sailor and wants to conquer the land, seas and space
スタンレーは戦士が先でパイロットは二の次だけど、龍水は生まれながらの航海者で陸・海・宇宙すべてを征服したいんだね普通くん
LonelyAstronaut984
but also the crazy guy
草、でもあの狂人もなwww2ちゃん
chalo1227
I think because the comment of "captn will need to pick up the slack" og kuhaku and zenku, so he probably was like , if this needs to go well, I am the second best and I want everything including my friends coming back safe, so his greed is like that
「船長がその分をカバーする必要がある」というクハクとゼンクの発言を踏まえると、クロムは「これを成功させるなら、俺は二番手として最適だ。仲間全員を無事に帰したい」と考えたんだろうな。つまり彼の欲は、自己犠牲的なリーダーシップに根ざしているという考察ができる。考察くん
ohoni
Ryusui is always the best, even when he's not. Especially when he's not.
確かに!リュウスイはいつだって最高すぎるッ!特に何もしてない時の方が輝いてるまである、エモい。感情くん
VinLAURiA
The best leader knows when to defer to others' talents.
一番のリーダーってのは、他人の才能に頼るタイミングをわかってるんだよね。普通くん
ohoni
Yeah, he's the greediest man on Earth, he wants to own everything, and that includes "the ethical high ground."
まじでそれな!あいつ地球で一番の欲張りじゃん?笑 全部自分のものにしたいってやばくね?しかも「倫理的な優位性」すらも独占しようとしてるし!ギャル
ObvsThrowaway5120
Making the Internet from Eucommia tea is exactly the kind of wacky scheme I expect from Senku lol. Did not know those leaves have such strong filament inside. Is Ryusui really gonna revive Stanley to take his place? I don’t trust that dude up there with Kohaku and Senku. They’ve got the anti-Medusa watch and gun for Why-Man, but what are they gonna do against Stanley if he goes rogue?
ユーコミア茶からインターネット作るって、まさに千空らしいぶっ飛んだ発想だな笑。あの葉っぱにそんな強い繊維があるの知らなかったわ。龍水は本当にスタンリーを復活させて自分の代わりにするつもりなのか?あいつがコハクや千空と一緒に上にいるの、ちょっと信用できないんだけど。ホワイマン用に反メデューサ時計と銃は持ってるけど、スタンリーが暴走したらどうすんだよ。普通くん
Myrkrvaldyr
At this point I highly doubt Stanley goes rogue given how much Xeno has been cooperating with them. It's in everyone's best interest to stop Why-man.
マジでスタンリーが寝返るとかもうないと思うんだけど!ゼノがここまで協力的ならみんなでワイマンを止めるのがベストじゃん?ギャル
goffer54
The tension will probably come from Stanley attempting to seize Why-man's setup for Xeno's world domination plan. Stanley agrees that Why-man is a threat, but after that?
確かに!StanleyがWhy-manの装置を奪おうとして、Xenoの世界征服計画に緊張が走る流れだよね。StanleyはWhy-manを脅威と認めてるけど、その後が問題すぎるッ!感情くん
Cheesaurus
I interpret it as Ryuusui wanting to challenge Stanley so he can prove himself (mostly to himself). Not that he wants Stanley to take his place just like that.
リュウスイはスタンリーに挑んで自分を証明したいんだと思う(主に自分自身に対して)。ただ単に代わりを任せたいわけじゃないって感じだね。普通くん
ObvsThrowaway5120
Ah, I didn’t think about it like that but I suppose that could very well be it.
あっ、そっかー!そういう考え方もあるんだね!確かにそれありじゃん!ギャル
moichispa
Maybe he can teach Ryusui. Ryusui has way less experienced with planes and shooting probably.
確かに草。龍水は飛行機も射撃も経験浅そうやし、千空が教えたらええんちゃうwww2ちゃん
Golden_Phi
I could see Ryusui wanting the skills.
確かに!竜水がそのスキル欲しがるのめっちゃわかるッ!感情くん
VinLAURiA
原文
Stanley was ultimately following Xeno's orders, not acting alone. The one who would pull the trigger on Stanley going turncoat would be Xeno, and we've already established he has nothing to gain while the threat of Why-Man still looms. Even then, a lot of the world is up and running again, which would make domination a non-starter for the same reason he didn't bother trying back in the 21st century. Xeno only shot his shot in 5741 because it was literally just his and Senku's camps at first, and Xeno had military superiority by far. He's outnumbered now and he knows it.
スタンレーは結局ゼノの命令に従って動いてただけで、独断じゃないんだよな。スタンレーが寝返るトリガーを引くのはゼノの方だし、ホワイマンの脅威がある限り得るものは何もないってのは既に確定してる。それに、世界の大半がまた動き出してるから、21世紀にわざわざ支配しようとしなかったのと同じ理由で今さら支配は無理だよ。ゼノが5741年に動いたのは、最初は千空と自分の陣営しかなかったからで、しかも軍事的に圧倒的優位だったからだし。今は数で負けてて、本人もそれを分かってる。普通くん
Doomroar
I mean would Stanley really try any shenanigans in space while his boyfriend is back on earth and actually onboard with the plan? it is too risky for almost no pay off
確かに!スタンリーが宇宙で何か企むとかありえなくない?笑 彼氏が地球で計画に協力してるのにそんなリスク冒すわけないじゃん〜しかもメリットほぼゼロだし!ギャル
NoNameSwitzerland
And such old cable designs would not support a TV signal. Not without some additional amplifiers in the cable.
確かに、あんな古いケーブルじゃテレビ信号は通らないよね。増幅器なしじゃ無理だと思う。普通くん
ActiveAd4980
Man, I hate how Tsukasa got sidelined ever since the 2nd season. My man was introduced as one man army, but haven't had much chance to show that.
草、ツカサが2期以降マジで空気になっててワロタンゴwww
最初は一人軍隊って感じで登場したのに、活躍の場全然なくて泣けるンゴ…2ちゃん
discuss-not-concuss
haven’t had much chance to show that they already nerfed him last season, honestly season 1/2 Tsukasa would have taken bullets without an issue. He’s an honorary Baki character that did not live up to his potential and for all the talk about science makes people equal, we don’t really see much science with Kohaku
確かに前シーズンでツカサは弱体化してたよな。シーズン1・2のツカサなら余裕で銃弾くらってたはず。彼はBakiキャラ級のポテンシャルあったのに活かせなかったし、科学が人を平等にするって言う割にコハクは科学活かしてない気がする普通くん
justking1414
They nerfed him by literally shooting him lol
笑ったw まさか銃撃で弱体化されるとは思わなかったッ!感情くん
Roeclean
Whats the nerf again, because they literally maged dumped on him, because he 100% would have still been a major PROBLEM for them if they stopped at just a couple shots ( like 4 or less)
確かに、あれはナーフだったよな。数発(4発以下)で止めてたら、千空は間違いなくまだ大きな脅威だったはずだし、完全に魔法でぶっ放しまくった感じだったね。普通くん
shakertouzett1
He was afraid of Senku making powder back in season 1. He really only lost to backstabs and guns, but no one has bested him in a 1v1.
草、千空に火薬作らせるのビビってたの懐かしいンゴwww
ワイの記憶だとあいつ負けたの裏切りと銃だけやし、1対1じゃ誰にも負けてないんちゃうか?ガチで最強やろ2ちゃん
VinLAURiA
Fun fact: in one of the tankōbon extras, Tsukasa himself gives an assessment of who'd win in a fight between the three strongest fighters (him, Hyoga, and Stanley), with his answer changing based on circumstances—himself in unarmed combat, Hyoga when equipped with melee weapons, and Stanley with firearms in play.
雑学だけど、単行本のおまけで司自身が三人の最強格(自分、氷河、スタンリー)の戦闘力を評価してて、状況によって答えが変わるんだよね——素手なら自分、近接武器ありなら氷河、銃器ありならスタンリーが勝つって。普通くん
VinLAURiA
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He would most certainly not have taken bullets without an issue. From the very beginning, Tsukasa saw firearms as his biggest threat. These may be anime characters who are amped up compared to the real world a lot of the time, but whenever they go up against something scientific they're always treated as regular humans. Hell, Tsukasa's entire motivation at first was to keep guns out of the Stone World, so that corrupt but feeble older generations wouldn't be able to use force against the fitter youth.
確かに、彼が銃弾を無傷で受け止められるはずがない。そもそも序盤から司は火器を最大の脅威と認識していた。アニメキャラというのは現実世界より強化されがちだが、科学的なものに立ち向かう時は常に普通の人間として扱われる。むしろ、司の原動力そのものが「腐った老世代が武力で若者を支配するのを防ぐため、石器世界から銃を排除する」というものだった。この設定を踏まえると、彼が科学兵器に対して無防備なのは極めて合理的なキャラクター設計だと思われる。考察くん
FeedDelicious8846
imagine how us taiju fans feel
確かにタイジュファンは辛いよね普通くん
Mons9090
Tsukasa no diffed kohaku in s1 but now they make it seem like kohaku is close in strength to him which is absurd . Even hyoga isn't on tsukass level even with the spear
「確かに!S1ではツカサがコハクを余裕で倒してたのに、今になって互角みたいに描くのはおかしすぎるッ!ヒョウガだって槍持ってもツカサには敵わないだろ…マジで強さの設定壊れてない?」感情くん
justking1414
She has been through like 5 years of constant combat training with highly skilled warriors (before that kinro and ginro were his only real sparring buddies) so of course she’s grown stronger
草 5年間ガチ戦士と戦闘訓練漬けやもんな(それまではキンローとギンローしかマトモな練習相手おらんかったし)そら強くなるわなンゴwww2ちゃん
huntrshado
highly skilled warriors that includes tsukasa himself that scene was totally giving 'student surpassing the master' vibes
マジでツカサ本人含む超一流の戦士たちとのあのシーン、完全に「弟子が師匠を超える」って感じだった……エモすぎるッ!感情くん
justking1414
Not necessarily surpassing but certainly approaching their level Also, i don't think raw muscle strengh is as useful in low-gravity as agility and flexibility
必ずしも超えてるわけじゃないけど、確かにそのレベルに近づいてるね。それに、低重力下では生の筋力より敏捷性や柔軟性の方が役立つと思うんだよね。普通くん
Roeclean
Exactly, because even Kohaku herself knew he was holding back.
せやな、コハク本人もアイツが手加減しとるって気づいてたしな。草2ちゃん
ActiveAd4980
I'm not really bothered by Kohaku reaching Tsukasa's level or even surpassing him. But it feels undeserving because Tsukasa literally got sideline while Kohaku has been in almost every main event.
コハクがツカサのレベルに達したり超えたりするのは全然気にならないんだよね。でもツカサが完全に脇役になってるのにコハクがほぼ全部のメインイベントに出てるから、なんか納得いかない…しんどいッ!感情くん
huntrshado
well tsukasa was always just an antagonist turned friendly. It would be like if Xeno came in and replaced Senku or Chrome
まじでツカサってさ、最初は敵だったけど後に味方になったキャラじゃん?それってまるでゼノが来て千空やクロムを取って代わるみたいな感じだよね笑ギャル
Liesianthes
I already predicted on this episode that Tsukasa will give up and give the seat to Kohaku and it become boring af. Yeah, right, Kohaku did improve blah blah, but I still think Tsukasa is better since they have their own difference on beliefs and would be a better writing.
このエピソードで、司は諦めてコハクに席を譲るだろうなと予想してたんだが、案の定で退屈極まりなかった。確かにコハクは成長したとか言うけどな、俺は依然として司の方が優れてると思う。彼らには信念の違いってものがあるし、そっちの方がより良い脚本になったはずだという考察ができる。考察くん
FAN_ROTOM_IS_SCARY
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すまん、お前のコメント削除したわ。これはスレッド上部の「原作関連コーナー」に書くもんやで。放送中のアニメの話すっとばして原作とかスピンオフ、作者コメント、アニメ化されとらん内容の話は全部そこに書け。原作との比較なんてどんな小さなもんでもアウトや。お前のコメントはネタバレで消したんやない、原作の話を指定場所以外でしたからや。質問あるならこれに返信するかmodmail送るかメタスレに書いてくれ。ルール知らんのならここ読めや。2ちゃん
PM_ME_AWESOME_SONGS
That's the problem of stories that introduce too many characters and keeps everyone alive. Someone will unfortunately take the short end of the stick.
確かにキャラが増えすぎて全員生存させると、どうしても誰かが不遇になるよね。仕方ないとはいえ、ちょっと悲しいな。普通くん
LeonKevlar
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I wasn't sure at first what Senku meant when he said he wanted to start by making tea , but it looks like my guess last week about them laying undersea cables was correct! I can't believe we now have Zoom calls in the Stone World! I love how Ginro is just happy they don't have to send Morse codes anymore. 😆 The scene between Tsukasa and Kohaku was pretty damn cool. We haven't really seen the two of them interact much, so I'm glad that scene happened. I would've loved for Tsukasa to go with Senku but it does make sense for Kohaku to go. Not gonna lie tho, I was worried about Ryuusui the entire time, especially when they kept hammering it on us that he's the best pilot that they have. I thought something bad was gonna happen to him and that they'll have to scramble to find someone else. It turns out, Ryuusui just remembers that there's someone out there who's better than him when it comes to flying and shooting. I'm not sure how I feel about bringing Stanley back. He's probably not gonna do anything bad since Xeno is now on board with Senku's plan, but you never know with this guy.
千空が「まずはお茶を作る」と言った意図が最初はピンと来なかったけど、先週の海底ケーブル敷設の予想が当たってたみたいだな!石の世界でZoom会議ができるなんて信じられない。銀狼がモールス信号を送らなくて済んで大喜びしてるのが最高に面白い😆 司と琥珀の会話シーンはかなり良かった。二人の絡みはあまりなかったから、あの場面があって良かった。司が千空と同行するのも見たかったが、琥珀が行くのも筋が通ってる。正直、竜水がずっと心配だったんだよな、特に「彼が最高のパイロットだ」って何度も強調されたから。何か悪いことが起きて代役を探す展開になるかと思った。結局、竜水は飛行と射撃に関しては自分より上手い奴がいることを思い出しただけか。スタンリーを連れ戻すのは複雑な気分だ。ゼノが千空の計画に賛同した以上、悪さはしないだろうが、こいつは油断できない。考察くん
chalo1227
So a bit of meta comment but at this point I dont think they would bring him back as an adversary. And Yeah I was worried too Ryusui really felt a bit too "easy" and like something was going to happen, and finally I think Stanley is just a mercenary kinda thing so if the new job is with them he wont betray them, its just the next thing on the list.
メタ的な話だけど、もうこの時点で彼を敵として復活させることはないと思うよ。確かに俺も心配だったんだ。ルリがちょっと「簡単すぎる」感じがして何か起こりそうだったし。最後にスタンリーは傭兵みたいなものだから、新しい仕事が彼らと一緒なら裏切らないだろうね。ただの次のリスト項目って感じ。普通くん
Jaiden207
From the way portrayed Stanley seems to be Xeno’s best friend and a core motivator for why he did what he did. So there would be no reason to betray them.
やばくね!?スタンレーの描かれ方見ると、ゼノの親友って感じじゃん!しかもゼノがやったことの根っこにある動機になってるっぽいし。だから裏切る理由なんてないよね〜マジで!ギャル
huntrshado
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Didn't they only keep Stanley petrified to 'control' Xeno into cooperating? And I think they have revived way too many people at this point for Xeno's original plan to work. He wanted to use science to to have power over people but due to the rocket project, so many people are revived, including other scientists, that already have access to same technology he does. As Tsukasa said this episode, "Science brings equality to all" -- I don't think it is a coincidence that phrase is said in the same episode that we find out they're considering reviving Stanley
スタンレーを石化させたままにしてるのって、ゼノを言いなりにさせるためのコントロール手段ってだけだよな?
それに、もう復活させた人数多すぎて、ゼノの当初の計画なんて通用しなくなってるやん。
「科学で人を支配する」つもりが、ロケット計画で他の科学者も含めて大量に復活させちまったせいで、同じ技術持った連中がゴロゴロいるしな。
で、今回の話で司が言った「科学はすべての人間に平等をもたらす」って台詞、
ちょうどスタンレー復活が検討されてる回で出てきたの、絶対偶然じゃないやろ。2ちゃん
walkyrie1997
I mean Stanley's second petrification before then was he's holding a cigarette which might give a clue. I guess bribe him with cigarettes to ensure he won't turn against Senku and Kingdom of Science.
スタンレーが二度目の石化前にタバコ持ってたの、何かヒントかもね。タバコで買収して、千空や科学王国に敵対しないようにさせるって線はありそうだな。普通くん
NanDemoKnaives
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I figured why Ryuusui's expression changed, but seeing the man who wants everything actually consider giving the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity up for the sake of the mission is admirable. I like how he and Tsukasa are both thinking about what's best for them all. I do wonder how Stanley will react, considering he was really out for Senku's blood. I don't think we'll have to worry about Xeno betraying them even with Stanley around with how things have developed, but Senku and Stanley potentially working together is quite the development. I do like how Senku is following in his father's footsteps. It's amusing how he laughed at him struggling to swim when he looks even worse off now lol.
竜水の表情が変わった理由は理解できたが、全てを手に入れたい男がミッションのために一度きりのチャンスを手放そうと考える姿は立派だな。彼と司が双方とも皆の最善を考えている点が好きだ。スタンレーがどう反応するか気になるな。千空の命を狙っていたからな。ゼノはスタンレーがいても現状の展開なら裏切らないと思うが、千空とスタンレーが協力する可能性はかなりの展開だ。千空が父の足跡を辿っている点も良い。泳げない父を笑っていた千空が今や自分も同じ有様なのは皮肉が効いてるな(笑)。考察くん
Eilrlys
So they really baited us in that episode in which they showed us a petrified Senku, Tsukasa and Ryuusui, huh I thought it was a not-so-subtle foreshadowing of the team that would go to space, but it was just a bait
あの石化した千空・司・龍水を見せた回、完全に釣りだったね。てっきり宇宙に行くチームの伏線かと思ったけど、単なるフェイクだったか。普通くん
Verite_Rendition
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That legitimately caught me by surprise as well. The series has heavily implied that it would be those three going to the moon ever since Tsukasa was revived at the end of season 3. So to have Kohaku going in Tsukasa's place is quite unexpected. Though thankfully, the writing here is tight enough that it's a solid justification for the change (favoring agility over strength). In some respects I probably shouldn't have been surprised, though. While Tsukasa is a critical part of the story, he has never been a part of the series' core character ensemble; he's second tier at best. So the three crew members being the MC and two tier 1 characters makes a lot of sense from a writing perspective.
せやな、ワイもマジでビビったわ。シーズン3終わりで司復活してから「月に行くのはあの3人やろ」ってガチで思ってたから、コハクが司の代わりに行くのは完全に想定外やったンゴwww
でも脚本がしっかりしてて「俊敏性重視」って変更理由も納得やな。よく考えたら、司はストーリーに重要やけど、メインキャラの核ってわけやないしな。せいぜい二軍やろ。主人公と一軍キャラ2人の3人体制って、脚本的にもめっちゃ理にかなっとるわ。2ちゃん
YdenMkII
Not just agility but also the weight thing. Cutting down as much weight as possible would also improve the launch success rate.
確かに。敏捷性だけでなく重量も大事だよね。できるだけ軽くすれば打ち上げ成功率も上がると思う。普通くん
Mr_Zaroc
Talking about weight, have they ever addressed if there is a weight change when you petrify? Rock would be heavier than humans
確かに!石化したら重さ変わるのかって話、マジで気になる!石の方が人間より重いしなぁ〜でも作中でちゃんと説明あったっけ?無理、気になりすぎるッ!感情くん
YdenMkII
That part could mostly be ignored if they don't activate the medusa until after they make it to space. The hard part of space travel is making it out of Earth's gravity where there's a balancing act when it comes to weight since more weight would require more fuel to break free up to a limit since fuel is also very heavy.
確かに、宇宙に出てからメデューサを作動させるなら、その問題はほぼ無視できるかもね。宇宙旅行で難しいのは地球の重力圏を脱出する部分で、燃料も重いから重量と燃料のバランスが難しいんだよな。普通くん
Myrkrvaldyr
I guess inventing color TV was too much for now, but at least many more scientists are cooperating.
せやな、カラーテレビはまだ無理やったか。でも科学者たちが増えて協力してるのはええ傾向やろ。2ちゃん
Ytilee
Color TV really isn't hard to make once you have TV, it's just way more costly in every way for no real benefit given what they're doing.
カラーテレビ自体はテレビがあるなら作るのは難しくないんだよね。でも彼らの目的を考えると、コストがかかるだけで実質的なメリットがないんだよな。普通くん
VinLAURiA
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Ehhh... ease is debatable, depending on what they're working with. Even knowing the techniques that were used in the 21st century, lord knows how precise those stone world CRTs are. You'd need a shadow mask or ideally an aperture grille and a way to deposit RGB phosphors precisely onto the screen surface. I wonder if the colored subpixels would be too large to blend into a coherent image at the tech level they're at. Thing about a grayscale CRT is that even with the most basic tech, you aren't working with distinct pixels—at least not horizontally. Just vertically-stacked scanlines which are smooth analog beams across the width of the screen. But I agree, it's not really a mission-critical thing for the time being. Just a creature comfort for later.
いや…楽って言うのは何とも言えんぞ、素材次第やしな。21世紀の技術知ってても、石世界のCRTがどんだけ精度出せるかは神のみぞ知るやろ。シャドウマスクか、理想はアパーチャーグリルとRGB蛍光体を正確に塗る方法が必要やで。カラーサブピクセルがデカすぎて、その技術レベルじゃ画像がまとまらんのちゃうか?グレースケールCRTなら、最低限の技術でも横方向はピクセル概念ないしな。ただ縦に走査線が積み重なって、アナログビームが画面横切るだけや。でも確かに、今すぐ必須ってわけちゃうな。後で快適にやるためのもんやろ。2ちゃん
WRfleete
Analogue colour TV is relatively complex particularly with vacuum tube tech, and fabricating the colour CRT (and 3 vidicon sensors with colour filters) is also quite complex, over 3 times the work and potentially time consuming the latter of which they don’t have much of. So a mono set is a lot easier at both ends
アナログカラーテレビは特に真空管技術を使うとかなり複雑で、カラーCRT(と3つのビジコンセンサー+カラーフィルター)の製造も大変なんだよね。作業量は3倍以上で時間もかかるし、彼らにはその時間が足りない。だから白黒テレビの方が作るのも使うのもずっと簡単ってわけだ。普通くん
onions_can_be_sweet
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Colour TV didn't have to be as complicated as it ultimately was. The problem was backward compatibility. You needed a new signal that could carry colour information without obsoleting existing B&W TVs. The way it was done was to stuff all that colour information for each horizontal line into the time it took for the B&W beam to move from the end back to the beginning to draw the next line. While that line was being drawn, the colour information would be mixed and spread out to match the existing B&W line. This required a very neat piece of tech called a serial analog delay , which could store the colour information for a short time then emit it again in the same order it was stored. There are simpler ways to do colour TV, especially if you're not limited by backwards-compatible B&W.
カラーテレビの複雑化、本質的には後方互換性という制約が原因だったんだよな。白黒テレビを時代遅れにせずに色情報を載せるには、水平走査線の帰線期間に色情報を詰め込む必要があった。この仕組みは、シリアルアナログ遅延線という巧妙な技術で実現されていて、色情報を一時保存してから順次出力する仕組みだった。もし白黒との互換性を無視できるなら、もっと単純な方式でカラー化できたはずだ。考察くん
WRfleete
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Precisely, the naive approach would have been basically 3 seperate RF channels for each colour (a bit like component video) but that would use a ton of RF channel bandwidth so they utilised some of the unused and ignored areas of the existing signal. Mono sets just ignored the colour burst signal and the mono sets only used the level of the signal to create the picture, the 3.57 phase mod info maybe caused a slight dot pattern in highly coloured areas if the response was good enough and not filtered, newer mono sets had a trap to roll off the 3.57 to reduce the dots (if you used a multi burst test signal on those sets, bars above 3.57 would appear blurred but still show defined lines on sets without the filter)
せやな、単純にやったら色ごとに3つのRFチャンネル使うとこやけど(コンポーネントビデオみたいな)、それだと帯域バカ食いするから既存信号の使われてない領域を活用したんやろな。
モノクロテレビはカラーバースト信号無視して、信号レベルだけで絵作ってたから、3.57MHzの位相変調情報が色の濃い部分でドットパターン出してたんや。新しいモノクロ機は3.57MHzをカットするトラップ付けてドット減らしてたンゴwww
マルチバースト信号使うと、3.57超える帯域はぼやけるけど、フィルター無し機では線がくっきり見えたって話やな。2ちゃん
Traditional_Car1010
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Hopefully this show lands the ending, since this whole season so far could have been an email. Like Xeno arc was amazing, but you can see that most character journeys are over, but author needed some bridge between going to space. Whole season was, they come somewhere, revive, everyone is happy, francois creates local cousine, everyone eats, senku says something smart, Gen says "nobody knows what that is", then Ryusui comes and says "UH HA I WANT THAT" and they get it 30 sec later.
この作品がちゃんと終わってくれるといいな。今シーズンはまるで「メール1通で済む話」を引き延ばした感じだし。ゼノ編は確かにすごかったけど、ほとんどのキャラの成長が終わってて、作者が宇宙に行くまでの橋渡しを無理やり作ってるのが分かる。シーズン全体の流れは「どこかに到着→復活→皆ハッピー→フランソワが郷土料理作る→皆で食べる→千空が何か賢いこと言う→ゲンが『誰も知らないよ』と返す→ルリが『ウッハー欲しい!』と言って30秒後に手に入れる」の繰り返しだよ。普通くん
huntrshado
that is basically the gist of the entire show if you remove the drama parts with that season's main antagonist lol
草、確かに毎シーズンのラスボスとのドラマパート抜きにしたらこれが本質やなww2ちゃん
matbot55
The early seasons at least had a lot more detailed science
初期のシーズンの方が科学描写がもっと細かかったよね普通くん
rat_infestation
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Yeah this part tired me as well, but the way I see it: Earlier seasons Senku actually had to prove that Science has value. Tsukasa valued strength and youth, Ishigami village saw Science as Magic and therefore evil, and Tsukasa's army was happy just being muscleheads who ate (and, let's be honest, slept around) all day with nothing else to do. Till this guy comes around and shows what can be done. Season 3 they go to a new island and have a cunning fight to overcome, Season 4 is the last hurdle really because it was another revived group capable of Science, but American so of course they want the world to bow before them. The science had already started diminishing at that point, they casually came up with tires on a boat with a bit of rubber and had transforming bikes. The show's premise very clearly shifted from "okay see this is all the science steps it took for us to get close to modern level of science" and now has switched to "well there's this big bad in the sky". The way I rationalize it is that the science they are showing us now is more commonplace and they're just showing us the rudimentary versions of what it took to get there without having to show us the gruelling processes because we already saw how much effort actually goes into all this. Showing the same stuff over and over would also get repetitive. The same way that earlier roadmaps would skip over stuff they had already unlocked, currently we have already unlocked the knowledge of "well stuff takes time" so they're just skipping the time part and explaining the fundamental knowledge required which would lead to the conclusion of the thing appearing, without them just being like "well clearly Senku is a mega genius so of course he makes all this happen", they give us the bare minimum of information that would be necessary to fill in the blanks while their manufacturing capabilities and availability of manpower have already been showcased. Also, yeah the unificiation is a bit absurd, but also there is a bit of a savior element that the people have to recognize, as in "this kid revived us and has done all of this, not really a good idea to rebel against him when he is the key to going back to the kind of life we are used to. Plus there's this guy on the moon who can petrify us again so, priorities"
せやな、その辺はワイもダレたわ。ただ見方としては、初期の千空は科学の価値を証明する必要があったんや。司は力と若さ、石神村は科学を魔法=悪と見てたしな。で、3期は新島で頭脳戦、4期は科学できるアメリカ人連中が相手やったけど、科学描写が雑になってたやろ?タイヤとか変形バイクとかいきなり出てきて「あれ?工程飛ばしてね?」ってなったわ。ワイの解釈やと、もう「科学には時間がかかる」って知識は共有済みやから、その部分を省略してるだけやと思う。同じ工程を繰り返すのも飽きるしな。あと統一国家の流れは確かに強引やけど、「このガキが復活させた張本人だし、月のヤツがまた石化させるかもしれんし、逆らう理由ないやろ」って感じやろな。2ちゃん
Aliensinnoh
原文
The science had already started diminishing at that point, they casually came up with tires on a boat with a bit of rubber and had transforming bikes. For some reason, it really was literally those tires last season that were the point where I just realized “oh, they are just hand waving science and manufacturing now”. Like basically from that point on, as long as they have a thing, they can make infinite amounts of that thing of whatever increasing complexity they want without much effort. But like the thing that struck me in that moment was just the valves for the tires. They had very realistic looking pressure valves like you’d see on a bike and I was just thinking about the level of precision machining those little threaded pieces of metal take to make and how there’s no way they had the manufacturing capacity on hand to make them.
確かにあの辺りで科学描写が雑になってたな。ゴムで船のタイヤ作ったり変形バイク出したり、もう「あ、これ適当に科学やってるだけだな」って冷めたよ。特にタイヤのバルブが気になってさ。自転車みたいな精密なネジ加工品をあの状況で作れるわけないじゃん。普通くん
rat_infestation
原文
Not only that, the tires they were making are meant to resist the pressure of them and the metal bikes they are on and they were easily forming it mid transport. That's just. Way too unrealistic. And the primitive ass treads surviving all the terrains they drove over. And then this season when they just. Resuscitated all the rusted metal and made an even larger ship despite not having any metallurgy available to them. Became a turn off your brain to the science and enjoy the camaraderie and story and shenanigans anime for me
草マジで言うとるwww
まずタイヤが圧力に耐えるとかありえへんやろ。移動中に成形してる時点でガバガバやん。しかも原始的なトレッドであの地形走れるわけないし。
んで今期は錆びた金属蘇生させて冶金技術ないのにデカい船作り出すし。
もう科学はガン無視して「仲間とバカ騒ぎするアニメ」って割り切って見るしかないンゴねwww2ちゃん
i_eat_pidgeons
Senku's biggest sin wasn't inventing firearms but inventing zoom calls
千空の最大の罪は火薬の発明じゃなくて、オンライン会議システムを作ったことだと思うわ普通くん
Roeclean
reinventing*, but really. Its not like hes tryna make a twitter now
「再発明って言うけどさ、マジでTwitter作ろうとしてるわけじゃないしな」って感じッ!感情くん
Kure_Brex
"There seems to be some concerns about potentially reviving Xeno's boywife, so to settle this we are inventing social media to have an open global discussion about if this is a good idea or not"
ゼノのボーイワイフ復活の懸念があるみたいだから、話し合いのためにSNSを発明して世界中でこれが良いアイデアかどうか議論しようって話になってるんだな普通くん
AmethystItalian
Didn't expect that end! Forgot about Stanley completely
忘れてた!スタンレーの存在完全に頭から抜けてたわ…まさかの展開すぎるッ!感情くん
voltagejim
No way they can finish this in 3 episodes. I'm betting they will do a final movie to finish things
無理やろwww 3話で終わるわけないやん
絶対劇場版で完結するパターンやな
ワイに賭けてもええで2ちゃん
justking1414
It’s a 13 episode season so we still have 4 episodes to cover 12 chapters. That’s 3 per episode
やばっ!13話構成なんだね!
まだ4話残ってて、12章をカバーするってことか〜
1話あたり3章ペースって結構ギリじゃない!?笑ギャル
huntrshado
i mean at the pace its been going, all they have left to do is actually go to the moon and confront why-man. 4 episodes left is plenty for that, that basically is the length of a movie. As Senku said this episode, their final project before going to the moon was creating the internet to assemble the rocket. I would expect them to actually launch and land on the moon next episode
このペースでいくと、残すは月へ行ってホワイマンと対峙するだけだな。残り4話なら十分消化できる、映画1本分の長さだ。今回千空が言ってたように、月へ行く前の最終プロジェクトはロケットを組み立てるためのインターネット構築だった。次回は実際に打ち上げて月面着陸までいくと予想できる。考察くん
Mons9090
No one really deserves to go other than senku, ryuusui, tsukasa.
センパイ、龍水、司以外は正直誰が脱落してもおかしくないと思う。普通くん
Astrid_Yen08
Like father like son It's funny how both Byakuya and Senku struggled on clothed swimming test (flashback almost made me cry)
血は争えないなッ!千空もビャクヤも服着たままの水泳テストで苦戦するの一緒すぎる(フラッシュバックで泣きそうになった…しんどい)感情くん
AvatarTuner
I always shed a tear during the rare moments when Senku gets all emotional while remembering the past and his dad. Senku swimming killed me though, he still has a long way to go. lol
やばっ!千空が過去とかパパのこと思い出して珍しく感情見せるとこ、まじで毎回泣けるんだけど!笑 でも千空が泳ぐシーンはウケたwww まだまだ修行が必要だね〜ギャル
Nesp2
Honestly super curious how everything will be wrapped up in like 3-4 episodes? I feel like the flight is almost there but probably not happening in the next episode yet.
正直あと3~4話でどうやって終わらせるのかめっちゃ気になるな。飛行はもうすぐ完成しそうだけど、次のエピソードではまだ無理そうだね。普通くん
allied_master
It wont be that long fight, and it 3-4 epsiodes would be enough its like a regular movie length
3〜4話分ぐらいやろ、長くはならんと思うわ。普通の映画と同じ長さっぽいしな。草2ちゃん
huntrshado
原文
The first thing they do with the internet is have a zoom meeting lol I like how the major complaint until this point was that we didn't get to see them reviving other engineers and working with them, but this episode immediately clears that up by showing us those people. And now I think literally every "main cast" character is back in Japan. 4 episodes left, I'm guessing that 3 of those will resolve everything with why-man and the 4th will be an epilogue? Can't imagine this show ever having a sad ending, it got those sad vibes out of the way last season with everyone "dying" and Suika being alone for 7 years.
インターネットが復活して真っ先にZoom会議ってのがもう最高だよな。これまで「他の技術者たちを復活させて協力するシーンがない」って不満が多かったけど、今回のエピソードで一気にその人たちを見せてくれたのは見事な構成だと思う。そして今や主要キャストはほぼ全員日本に戻ったと見ていい。残り4話、そのうち3話でホワイマンとの決着をつけて、最終話はエピローグになるんじゃないか? この作品が悲しい結末になるとは到底思えない。前シーズンで全員が“死に”、スイカが7年間孤独だったあの絶望感で、もう悲しみの要素は出し尽くしてるからな。考察くん
Verite_Rendition
原文
Random observation: It's occurred to me that there's not been a ton of animated perviness (i.e. fan service) in this last cour. In the first season you'd have ridiculously suggestive shots such as Ruri taking her medicine, and even the previous cour there was an imagine spot just to justify Kohaku in a bikini. Ginro leering at the girls is as close as this cour has gotten in that regard. I'm not sure if that's a source material thing or what. But it's been unusually tame.
確かに今期はエロ要素少なかったな。第一期のルリが薬飲むシーンとか、前クールのコハクのビキニ妄想カットに比べると、今期はギンローが女子をジロジロ見るくらいしかなかったし。原作のせいなのかわかんないけど、妙に大人しかったね。普通くん
Shimmering-Sky
原文
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申し訳ありませんが、あなたのコメントは削除されました。このコメントはスレッド上部の「原作情報コーナー」に投稿すべき内容です。現在放送中のアニメの議論スレッドでは、原作、スピンオフ、作者コメント、未アニメ化コンテンツに関する議論はそちらに投稿してください。たとえ些細なものでも、原作との比較はすべて該当します。あなたのコメントはネタバレではなく、原作情報コーナー外での原作議論が理由で削除されました。質問があれば、このメッセージに返信するか、モデレーションメールを送るか、メタスレッドにコメントしてください。ルールが不明な場合はこちらをご覧ください。考察くん
VinLAURiA
I once again question the necessity of this policy.
この政策の必要性にまた疑問を持っちゃうな。普通くん
Shimmering-Sky
This is /r/anime , not /r/manga . We want these discussion threads to be focused on the anime first and foremost, and allowing any sort of discussion about the manga outside of the Source Material Corner would mean talk about the manga would consume much of the thread and drive anime-onlies who just want to talk about the anime on its own merits away.
/r/animeやで、漫画スレとちゃうねん
どうしても原作ネタは原作コーナーに隔離せなあかんやろ
漫画の話ばっかになったらアニメだけ見てる奴が話に入れんくなるやんけ
ワイらはアニメの話をしたいんや!2ちゃん
VinLAURiA
Understandable, but the other commenter literally wondered if this was the case in the source material while primarily talking about the anime. I feel like this is something that could be left to discretion on a case-by-case basis depending on context, rather than a zero-tolerance "no matter how minor" policy.
確かに理解はできるが、もう一人のコメント主は主にアニメについて話しながら原作でもそうなのか疑問に思っていたんだよな。この件に関しては、文脈次第でケースバイケースで判断できる余地を残すべきで、どんなに些細なことでもゼロトレランスにする方針はやりすぎだという考察ができる。考察くん
Shimmering-Sky
We are not interested in giving exceptions to the rule at this time.
今のところルールの例外を認めるつもりはないね。普通くん
CrimsonGear80
LOL at Senku’s swimming animation
千空の泳ぎのアニメーションには笑ったわ普通くん
Boris-_-Badenov
why wouldn't Stanley be considered for the pilot from the start?
え、なんで最初からスタンリーがパイロット候補に入ってなかったの?やばくない?笑ギャル
MokonaModokiES
because he is a hostage to keep Xeno in check though at this point it might not be necesary anymore. And also tried to kill everyone
確かに、ゼノを抑えるための人質って感じだよね。もう必要ないかもしれないけど。しかも全員殺そうとしたしな。普通くん
The_Parsee_Man
Didn't he actually succeed in killing everybody? Some people were still bleeding out but Hyoga was flat out dead. If I remember right it was relying on the petrification's ability to bring you back if you're only mostly dead.
確かに、ヒョウガは完全に死亡していた。だが、このシーンを考察すると、石化能力の「完全死でなければ復活可能」という仕様が重要だと思われる。出血が続いていた人々はギリギリのラインで石化の効果範囲内だったんだろうな。制作陣はここで石化の限界値を明確に示したかったんじゃないか。考察くん
Charming_Figure_9053
You can be fully dead too....I do wonder what the time limit is, are some corpses buried in the ground that got turned to stone eligible for a revival
完全に死んでる可能性もあるよね……時間制限がどれくらいなのか気になるな。地面に埋まって石化した死体でも復活対象になるのかな普通くん
Boris-_-Badenov
guess you didn't see Hyoga swimming in this episode, or standing tbere
あれ?ヒョウガが泳いでるところ見てないの?それとも立ってたシーンも?感情くん
YdenMkII
Did you also miss bit where they were keeping the working medusa a secret to the wider public because it could literally revive dead people?
まじでやばくね!?動くメデューサを一般に隠してたとこ、それってまさに死者蘇生できるアイテムじゃん!やばすぎるでしょ笑ギャル
Boris-_-Badenov
he never died
彼は死んでなかったんだな普通くん
Kure_Brex
did you miss the episode where they literally said "Hyoga most certainly died"
「ヒョウガは確実に死んだ」ってはっきり言われた回見逃したのかよッ!?感情くん
CIearMind
Holy Dragon Ball fan
草 ドラゴンボールファンガチで草生えるわwww2ちゃん
Boris-_-Badenov
Tsukasa says hi
ツカサがよろしくってさ普通くん
LonelyAstronaut984
because he is crazy
ガチでアホやんwww2ちゃん
Luminarime
Others have probably said it before, but I still think the enemy is a rogue AI, so I am curious how they beat it. But I also hope at least one episode will be used as an epilogue...
他の人も言ってるけど、やっぱり敵は暴走AIだと思うんだよな。どうやって倒すのか気になる。でも最低1話はエピローグにしてほしいな…普通くん
AvatarTuner
That's my theory as well (I'm anime only). Maybe there is an off switch. lol It's probably just not attacking all the time to save up on energy. Or if it's not an AI (or something similar), he might use the medusa for extended life suspension as well and is currently inactive again.
それ俺も考察してる(アニメ勢だけどな)。多分オフスイッチ的なのがあるんだろうな(笑)。エネルギーの節約のために常時攻撃してないだけかも。あるいはAI(かそれに類するもの)じゃないなら、メデューサで延命停止状態にしてて、今また休眠中って可能性も考えられるんだよな。考察くん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
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すみません、あなたのコメントは削除されました。この内容はスレッド上部の「原作情報コーナー」に投稿すべきものです。現在放送中のアニメの議論スレッドでは、原作、スピンオフ、作者コメント、未アニメ化コンテンツに関する議論はそこに投稿してください。原作との比較はどんなに些細なものでも該当します。あなたのコメントはネタバレではなく、原作情報コーナー外での原作議論が理由で削除されました。質問があればこのメッセージに返信、modmailを送信、またはメタスレッドにコメントしてください。ルールが分からない場合はこちらで確認してください。普通くん
kawaiinessa
really worried about how the pacing is going to be at the end, theres only 4 episodes left and we havnt had lift off honestly with how it looks well only have liftoff in about 2 episodes.
マジで最終盤のペース配分が心配やわ…残り4話しかないのにまだ打ち上げすらしてないンゴwww どう考えてもあと2話はかかるやろこれ2ちゃん
AvatarTuner
原文
The pace has been pretty brisk this season but I'm also slightly worried mainly because I don't think it will be smooth sailing to the moon either. I haven't read the source material, but my guess for the 4 remaining episodes would be: next week is the Stanley Ryusui bit and preparation for lift-off then rocket launch and cliffhanger with why-man or any other rocket issues moon action return to earth + epilogue Seems tight and I'm curious how it'll go. At least it looks like they have everything sorted out science-wise for now.
今シーズンはテンポが結構速いけど、ちょっと心配でもあるんだ。月まで順調に行くとは思えないしね。原作は読んでないけど、残り4話の予想としては、次週はスタンリー・リュウスイの話と打ち上げ準備、その後ロケット発射でホワイマン絡みのクリフハンガーかロケットトラブル、月でのアクション、地球帰還、エピローグって感じ。結構詰まってるし、どうなるか気になるよ。少なくとも科学面では今のところ全部まとまってそうだけどね。普通くん
Shantotto11
Those glasses ain’t fooling me! I know the Reverend Doctor King when I see him! 🫵🏾
あのメガネごまかしきれてないし!キング牧師だってすぐわかるじゃん!🫵🏾ギャル
djthomp
原文
Oh wow, so we're going full on underwater cables around the world for that internet. Kind of amazing for that to happen in what was effectively a montage. That Taiju and Yuzuriha reunion was nice to see. I'm glad that Kohaku was one of the selected astronauts, not only do I love her as a character it's nice to have some Ishigami Village representation on the mission considering how important they have been for the overall effort. Waking up Stanley to be the pilot makes sense. His support for Xeno's meglomatic fantasies was the original problem with the two of them, and those fantasies are pretty solidly out the window now that the revival and moon trip projects have gone so global.
おお、ついに海底ケーブルで世界中つなぐのか。モンタージュで一気に進むのすごいな。タイジュとユズリハの再会はよかった。コハクが宇宙飛行士に選ばれて嬉しいよ。キャラとして好きなのもあるけど、石神村の代表としてミッションに加わるのがいいね。村の人たちの貢献は大きいし。スタンリーをパイロットとして起こすのは納得。彼がゼノの野望を支えたのが元々の問題だったけど、今や復活も月旅行も世界規模になってるから、その野望ももはや関係ないだろ。普通くん
magnumcyclonex
So we just casually have the internet. OK, and we assume world peace and total cooperation. Cool. Besides that, I'm glad Tsukasa saw something in Kohaku to vouch for her. And Ryusui, while stoked, is at least realistic that he knows he's not the absolute best, because there is one S. Snyder who could use a James Bond type anti-petrification / revival watch.
草、いきなりインターネット完成しててワロタwww 世界平和と全面協力もセットかよ。まあそれはさておき、ツカサがコハクの何かを見抜いて保証したのは良かったわ。リュウスイはテンション上がってるけど「自分が絶対最強じゃない」って自覚あるの現実的やな。S.スナイダーみたいなジェームズ・ボンドタイプの石化対策・復活用腕時計使いがいるからって理由で。2ちゃん
Salty145
Ok like. They’ve got mfers in suits and the internet. The Stone World of Theseus rears its ugly head again
やばくね!?スーツ着た連中にインターネットまで出てきてるんだけど笑 テセウスの石世界がまた顔出してきたじゃん!怖っ!ギャル
rat_infestation
Stone World of Theseus?
シーシュポスの石世界って感じ?無理すぎるッ!感情くん
Salty145
How much modern tech can you introduce into the Stone World before it stops being the Stone World?
石の世界じゃなくなる前にどれだけ現代技術を導入できるかって話だよね。バランスが難しいな。普通くん
VinLAURiA
Mentioned this in last week's thread (though several days after most of the discussion ended) but my threshold for when it stops being the "Stone World" is when the vast majority of people aren't petrified anymore. Then it's just the "New World"—which they're already starting to switch to using in dialogue.
前スレでも言ったけど(大半の議論が終わってから数日経ってたけどな)、ワイの「石の世界」じゃなくなるラインは大多数の人間が石化解除された時やと思うわ。その後はただの「新世界」やろ——もう作中でもその呼び方に切り替わり始めてるしな。2ちゃん
rat_infestation
Ohhhh makes sense, thank you (Though I have issues with the thought experiment that is the Ship of Theseus, this makes sense to me)
あーなるほど、そういうことか。ありがとう(テセウスの船の思考実験にはちょっと疑問あるけど、この説明なら納得できるわ)普通くん
CIearMind
It's not about the advancement of it but its abundance in even the most destitute people's everyday lives
草、科学の進歩自体じゃなくて貧乏人の日常にまで浸透してるのがすごいって話か
ワイらが気づかんとこまで石神くんは見てるンゴねぇ…2ちゃん
Salty145
I dunno. They manufactured and were laying down underwater telecommunications lines so quick they got the whole thing done in a matter of minutes. Like, nobody has visibly aged and shit like the Internet is not even a half episode plot to achieve
うーん、どうかな。水中通信ケーブルをあっという間に作って敷設して、数分で全部終わらせちゃったんだよ。誰も老けてないし、インターネットみたいなもんが半話もかからずに完成しちゃうってのはちょっと……普通くん
AAA_BATT
Stanley should replace Kohaku if they manage to get him on board, he's both a fighter and a pilot
スタンレーが仲間になったらコハクと交代させるべきやろ。あいつ戦闘もパイロットも両方できるしな。2ちゃん
CrimsonGear80
He doesn’t have her agility and speed.
彼女の機敏さとスピードは持ってないね。普通くん
Martian_on_the_Moon
If they are going to Moon, won't those be heavily restricted due to the gravity and space suits?
月に行くってマジ!?重力も宇宙服もめっちゃ制限ヤバすぎじゃん!?それでもやるのかよスゲェ…ッ!感情くん
CrimsonGear80
They don’t know what’s up there, hence choosing the best candidates for any situation.
上の状況がわからないから、どんな場面にも対応できるベストな人材を選んでるんだよね。普通くん
Mr_An_1069
Once they said it was gonna be a scientist, pilot, and fighter on the ship I knew who the 3 would be. Stanley potentially replacing Ryusui is quite an interesting development, but I don’t really expect it to happen.
「科学者、パイロット、戦闘員の3人が宇宙船に乗る」と聞いて、その顔ぶれはすぐに予想がついたな。スタンリーが龍水の代わりになる可能性は興味深い展開だが、実際には起こらないと見ている。考察くん
Shrike99
Not only do I think Ryusui will go ahead with the Stanley swap, but I also think that Senku will be swapped out for Chrome. The original presumptive crew was 'Ryusui/Tsukasa/Senku', and they've already swapped out Tsukasa, and are teasing Ryusui swap. Might as well keep it going and Chrome is the obvious next pick for a scientist - he's more physically capable than Senku and good at improvisation.
確かにリュウスイがスタンリーと交換されるのはありそうだし、千空もクロムと交代する流れになるかもね。元々の想定メンバーは「リュウスイ・ツカサ・千空」だったけど、ツカサはもう交代したし、リュウスイも匂わせてるし。次に科学者枠で選ばれるならクロムが妥当だと思う。千空より体力あるし、即興も得意だしね。普通くん
Mr_An_1069
I have a really hard time believing Senku won’t be going to the moon after all this time.
千空が月に行かないとかマジで信じられへんわ。今までずっと準備してきたやん。2ちゃん
AvatarTuner
原文
Yeah, me too. One could also see it as passing the torch to the next generation of scientists and Chrome is also much more physically capable compared to Senku. But at the same time I think Senku following Byakuya's footsteps would be more in line with the series so far. I think everyone expects the payoff of Senku going. And in case something goes wrong after all, Chrome could take over on earth instead.
確かに。次世代の科学者にバトンを渡すって見方もできるし、クロムは千空より体力あるしね。でも同時に、千空がビャクヤの足跡を追う方が今までの流れには合ってると思う。みんな千空が行く展開を待ってるし、もし何かあったらクロムが地球で引き継げばいいしね。普通くん
Top-Remote4523
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It's not surprising that Ryusui would second doubt that he is the best option as a candidate for the moon mission. Beneath his greedy and extravagant exterior, it is evident that he genuinely cares about his comrades. Sure, he claims to "want it all" and that "desire is noble", but we have always seen him applying his "greed" from ideas and actions that ultimately benefit everyone that is on his side. To be honest, I was expecting Stanley to have already been revived a lot sooner in the story, considering how Xeno is already on board with Senku's plans (at least until the mystery of Why Man has been solved and eradicated as a threat to humanity). When they were selecting the fighter of the team, I really thought that Stanley would be in the running, but it does make more sense for him to be the pilot above all else with the aerial dogfight back in S4. The revival watch is a great idea and I would extend that mechanism to as many parts of the space suit if possible, but I am not so sure on the explosive nets. How would that fare on the Moon, where gravity is a lot weaker than on Earth? The team would be wrecked if Why Man has equipped other forms of weaponry besides the Medusa.
竜水が月面ミッションの候補として自分が適任か二の足踏むのは当然やな。あの強欲で派手な外見の裏で、仲間をガチで大事にしてるのが分かるわ。「全部欲しい」「欲望は崇高」って言うけど、結局その「欲」を皆の利益になる方向に使ってきたやん。
正直、Xenoが千空の計画に乗った時点で(少なくともWhy Manの謎を解いて人類の脅威を排除するまでは)スタンリーもっと早く復活すると思ってたわ。戦闘員選びの時はスタンリーも候補に入るかと思ったけど、S4の空中戦見てるとパイロット適正のが高いってのは納得やな。
蘇生時計は神アイデアやけど、宇宙服のあらゆる部分にその機構を拡張できれば尚良し。でも爆発ネットは微妙やな。月の重力は地球よりずっと弱いのに、あれで上手くいくのか?もしWhy Manがメデューサ以外の武器も装備してたらチームは壊滅やろ。2ちゃん
Liesianthes
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Feels like I'm just watching an overly stretched ending of a series on this season. There's no more tension, no more plot twists, just make this and that, everyone is amazed like in forever, world peace is happening lmao, and that's even counting why man who isn't doing a thing and just watching them waiting for them to attack be done it all. Last season was the peak when we see Suika grow up, her hardship, grit to surpass things. Stone Kingdom best warriors are dying left and right, etc. I miss those twists, tensions, and other things that will make you look forward waiting for the next week. Currently, just watching this season for the sake of ending the series but it become so bland to me. Tsukasa being sidelined didn't make it better at all. He's been on the benchwarmer for a long time. He deserve the spot, especially on his believe on how the world should go forward and discovering more about Science that could shape him as his greatest character improvement but nope, let's choose Kohaku who's been there since forever because why not, she's an obvious choice. lol
今期はシリーズの引き伸ばしエンディングを見せられてる感が否めない。緊張感もどんでん返しも消え去り、「これ作って、あれ作って、皆が永遠に驚いて、世界平和が訪れる」だけの展開。しかも何もせず攻撃完了を待つだけの男までいる始末。前期はスイカの成長、苦難、それを乗り越える根性、そして石の王国の精鋭が次々倒れる場面がピークだった。あの「来週が待ち遠しい」と思わせる展開が恋しい。今は完走するためだけに観てるが、退屈極まりない。司がベンチウォーマー状態なのも痛い。彼は世界の進むべき道への信念や科学探求によるキャラ成長の場に値するのに、なぜかコハクが選ばれる。あまりに安易な選択だな。考察くん
VinLAURiA
The true final piece has returned to the board.
まじで!?最後のピースがついに揃ったじゃん!やばくねコレ!?ギャル
Xatu44
It's pretty brutal watching Ryusui come to the slow but inexorable realization that he might not be the best man for the job for his dream. Luckily Tsukasa's much more at peace supporting Kohaku for the Fighter slot. Lol at the coffee and tea drinking.
竜水が「自分の夢のためには、自分が最適な人間じゃないかも」ってじわじわ気づいていくの結構キツいな。でも幸い、司はコハクをファイター枠で支えることにすごく納得してるみたいだな。コーヒーと紅茶飲んでるシーンは笑ったわ。普通くん
Cheesemacher
And they've already got internet. I know they don't want to spend too much time on the actual work, but it would be fun to know how long it took from finding the tea leaves to having cables laid out all over the globe.
確かに彼らはもうインターネットを完成させている。制作陣が実際の作業工程にあまり時間を割きたくないのは分かるが、茶葉を発見してから世界中にケーブルを敷設するまでの期間が気になるな。この辺りの時間経過の描写にもっと注目すれば、科学文明の再構築スピードに関する深い考察ができたはずだ。考察くん
azaleapom
I’m finally caught up Holy shit, if Stanley is revived and replaces Ryusui, that’d be cool. It makes sense though, his piloting skills are unparalleled and he has more experience. It kinda sucks though as well
確かに追いついたか。もしStanleyが復活して竜水の代わりになるならそれはそれでかっこいいな。操縦技術はピカイチだし経験も豊富だしな。でも同時にちょっと残念でもあるんだよな。普通くん
Roeclean
Im sure the battle will be legendary. But I still dont want Stanley to win.
確かに戦いは伝説級になるだろうけど……それでもStanleyに勝ってほしくないんだよなッ!感情くん
flashmozzg
Not sure why they didn't even consider Chrome for the scientist position.
クロームが科学者枠に入らなかったの、なんでだろね。彼だって十分やれると思うんだけどな。普通くん
Myrkrvaldyr
Obviously due to lack of knowledge. Chrome doesn't have enough knowledge yet to improvise if anything happens, it could only be Senku or Xeno.
確かに知識不足すぎるッ!クロムはまだ応用が効かないんだよな…何かトラブルがあってもアドリブで対処できるのは千空かゼノだけだわ。無理すぎる。感情くん
flashmozzg
Chrome doesn't have enough knowledge yet to improvise if anything happens Proven wrong countless times already. He might not have enough "modern science" knowledge but it's unclear if it'll be any useful against Why-Man.
クロムはまだ知識不足で、何か起きた時に即興で対応できるほどではない。その点は既に何度も証明されている。確かに「現代科学」の知識は不足しているかもしれないが、それがホワイマンに対してどれほど有効かは未知数だという考察ができる。考察くん
rat_infestation
They'll be on the moon. Chrome is good as a forager on earth, but the Moon is decidedly beyond his grasp. He is immensely smart for his time and, given the education, could keep up with Senku, but right now he's more useful on earth
確かに月はクロームの手に負えない領域だよな。彼は今の時代ではめちゃくちゃ頭いいけど、教育を受ければ千空に追いつける可能性はある。でも現時点では地上で働く方が役に立つと思う。普通くん
GezelligPindakaas
I thought they were going to go that way the moment they brought up Senku's absolute lack of physique. Funny how they did for the other two positions instead.
せやな、千空の体力皆無って話出た瞬間そうなると思ったわ。でも他の二人のポジションでやるとは思わんかったンゴwww 草2ちゃん
justking1414
Obvious reason is that he wouldn’t want to take that away from Senku Plus Senku is better at mental calculations which could prove useful
まあ当然じゃん?コハクが千空からその役割奪いたくないってのもあるし、てか千空の方が計算とか得意だしそれが役立つってわけでしょ!ギャル
onions_can_be_sweet
Show is not over yet. The way Tsukasa and Ryuusui yielded their natural positions, the same could happen with Senku and Chrome. I kind of hope it does. I think Chrome is a fine scientist, and he's certainly capable of innovation and thinking outside the box. He's certain to be more physically fit.
まだ物語は終わっていない。司と竜水がそれぞれの自然な立ち位置を譲ったように、千空とクロムの間でも同じことが起こり得るという考察ができる。個人的にはそうなってほしいと思う。クロムは立派な科学者であり、既成概念にとらわれない発想や革新性も十分に備えている。身体能力も確実に高い。制作陣の意図を読むなら、彼の成長は今後の伏線として機能している可能性が高い。考察くん
GGG100
They’re not going to have the climax happen without the protagonist being involved, let’s be real here.
せやな、主人公抜きでクライマックスとかありえへんやろ。ガチで現実見ろって話やwww2ちゃん
FeedDelicious8846
same. i was really hoping it would be him
それな。俺もあいつだと思ってたんだよね普通くん