DOCTOR VS. DOCTOR
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Andreiyutzzzz
The virgin bittersweet ending vs the chad happy ending, SHOW THEM CHROME AND SUIKA!
やばくね!?バッドエンドとかありえなくない!?絶対ハッピーエンドでしょ!!クロムとスイカ、見せてやれよマジで!!🔥ギャル+186
Doomroar
The power of brown science will surpass dark and light science!
草、茶色の科学が闇と光を超えるンゴwww クロムとスイカに決めてやれ!2ちゃん+45
Mr_Zaroc
INB4, Senku is sick of this stone world and thats his plan to coast it out into a more civilized era
And then Chrome shows up and destroys his plans with the power of friendship
それな。千空は石の世界に愛想尽かして、文明化した時代に流れ着くつもりでござろう。そこへクロムが友情の力で現れ、その計画を粉々にするのであるな。武士+34
Andreiyutzzzz
That would be funny af. But honestly considering they can get anyone back. I don't think it would take too long to rebuild civilization to a decent level
マジでそれ笑えるじゃん!でも正直、誰でも復活させられるって考えると、文明をちゃんとしたレベルに再建するのって結構すぐできそうじゃね?ギャル+13
AvatarTuner
LET'S GO, CHROME AND SUIKA!
We knew Senku had to talk about the one way ticket to the other characters at some point, but I still got teary eyed when it happened and saw Chrome's desparation. I'm so glad he picked himself up immediately and I'm sure he'll think of something to make it happen!
確かに!クロムとスイカのコンビ最高だよな!
千空が他のキャラに一方通行チケットの話をするのは避けられない伏線だったけど、実際にその場面でクロムの必死さを見ると涙腺が緩んだよ。すぐに立ち直ったのが本当に良かった。彼なら何か方法を考え出すに違いない、という考察ができる。考察くん+16
Doomroar
The power of manure is the shade of the earth!
うんちの力は大地の陰ってわけね!普通くん+6
WRfleete
30 million cores or ~30 mega bits is around 3.5 megabytes total which is probably about the size of a largish JPEG photo
The memory used in the calculator mentioned 1000 but assuming 1k bit (1024 bits) or 128 *bytes* that isn’t even an old 140 character “tweet”
30メガビットって約3.5メガバイトか。大きめのJPEG画像くらいのサイズだね。
電卓のメモリは1000って言われてたけど、1kビット(1024ビット)つまり128バイトと仮定すると、昔の140文字ツイートすら保存できない容量だな。普通くん+159
VinLAURiA
原文
Modern technology is a marvel. The fact that we've come as far as we have is a painstaking slow march that's taken over a half-century to get to this point. Hell, the x86 architecture alone is coming up on its 50th anniversary in two years, which is positively Jurassic in computing terms.
Senku called semiconductors a pain in the ass, but I like his line in the manga better for being even more succinct: "semiconductors are hell." Just a few days ago (once again putting Dr. Stone's final cour eerily parallel to current events), some YouTuber fabricated some memory cells of his own in his shed as a proof-of-concept in response to the ongoing RAM crisis, but with actual semiconductors instead of the magnetic-core memory they used here (by the way, props to the commenter last week who predicted core-rope memory, which is a close relative of this technology).
Even just TechLinked's coverage of the story goes into the kinds of stuff you need for it: a high-grade cleanroom, silicon wafers, some _very_ nasty chemicals that would make Xeno himself giddy, UV photolithography, and some means of aluminum metallization.
Except for that last one, I actually have a decent grasp of what goes into the rest. If we were to construct our own roadmap along those paths, some of them are far trickier than the others. The cleanroom would be easy enough at the Kingdom of Science's current tech level and we already have most if not all of the ingredients for those chemicals on hand: primarily the fluorite we just picked up in Spain and our good friend Sulfurina, with hydrogen peroxide being the third. But I'd suspect the high-purity silicon needed for the wafers and a means to precisely etch the wafers is beyond their industrial capability. UV lithography in particular: easy enough with modern technology, but getting to this point required dozens of generational increments over the decades. Each die shrink has helped create the next as semiconductor size gets ever-smaller; right now we're at 2nm, expected to hit 1nm next year.
I'm admittedly unfamiliar with that last term—aluminum metallization—and it might be something Senku and co. are already capable of or might vastly complicate the issue for all I know. It sounds like it might be akin to electroplating (something which is trivial at their level), but I'll defer to anyone more familiar rather than say anything definitive.
現代技術はまさに神秘の結晶よな。半世紀を超える気の遠くなるような歩みの果てに、我らは今ここに立つ。x86アーキテクチャすら2年後には50周年——コンピュータ史においては、まさにジュラ紀の遺物よ。
千空が「半導体は地獄」と断言した意味が、今ようやく理解できる。つい先日も某YouTuberがRAM危機に対抗すべく自室で記憶セルを自作していたが、あれは磁気コアメモリではなく本物の半導体。必要なのは超高級クリーンルーム、シリコンウェハー、シenoすら恍惚とする猛毒薬品群、UVフォトリソグラフィー、そしてアルミメタライゼーションよ。
クリーンルームは科学王国の技術で容易に構築可能。フッ化水素酸の材料はスペインの蛍石と我が友サルファリーナ、そして過酸化水素が揃う。問題は高純度シリコンと精密エッチング。UVリソグラフィーなどは数十年の世代交代を経てようやく到達した領域——今や2nm、来年には1nmの時代だ。
最後のアルミメタライゼーションについては、メッキと同程度の難易度なら問題なかろうが、詳細は識者に委ねるのが賢明よ。中二病+75
Guaymaster
> Modern technology is a marvel.
Okay guy in every starting town in pokemon
【返信】
「現代技術は驚異である」とな?
某(それがし)は思うに、それはポケモンの最初の町にいる老人の台詞でござるな。武士+61
Social_Knight
I mean, the people of the Pokemon Universe have mastery of building pocket dimensions into bags and balls, and instant tissue regeneration machines, so it's pretty justified. 😄
確かにポケモンの世界ってバッグに異空間作る技術とか瞬間細胞再生マシンとか持ってるから、その自覚は妥当だよね😄普通くん+28
PendragonDaGreat
Metallization is a very general term and covers everything from electroplating (easy, even back in S1/2) to Vacuum Deposition (what is needed) which would be right on the edge of what they're capable of, but not far off at all. That said, I like this larger approach they're taking since it's way more visible to us as the viewer/reader vs creating a billion invisible to the naked eye things.
金属化って言葉めっちゃ広いんやな。メッキみたいな簡単なやつ(S1/2でもできた)から真空蒸着(今回必要)まで含むんか。後者は彼らの技術力の限界ギリやけど、全然届かんわけちゃう。つか、今回のデカいスケールのアプローチ、視聴者からも見えやすいしワイは好きやわ。目に見えへんもんを大量に作るより全然ええやん。2ちゃん+14
VinLAURiA
It's probably also a hell of a lot more physically robust than semiconductors, considering the tolerances they're likely dealing with by using Stone World equipment.
確かに!石器時代の設備で半導体作るよりはるかに現実的だし、物理的にも頑丈そうだよな。金属化の方が精度の要求も低そうでエモい選択だわッ!感情くん+13
Drill_Dr_ill
The size of a largish JPEG photo... or around the size of the MegaMan Zero on the GBA.
草、JPEG一枚分とかマジでちっさすぎやろw
せやけどGBAのロックマンゼロと同じ容量ってのが逆にアツいンゴwww2ちゃん+31
TheBaxes
Can't wait for Sai to program Dragon Quest to run on Nixie tubes
確かに。ドラクエをニキシー管で動かすとかサイ天才すぎるだろ。普通くん+21
saga999
Final Fantasy 6, my #1 all time favorite game, is 3 MB.
まじ!?FF6って3MBなんだ!それだけで神ゲー作れるのやばくね笑 てか千空たちの技術力半端ないわ〜ギャル+13
AvatarTuner
原文
It still baffles my mind how comparatively tiny those older games were. (I've also been there already when such downloads still took several minutes.)
Now, we sometimes face installation files for games of over 100GB which is just insane. lol Of course this isn't a valid comparison because of the vast differences between the two types of games, but I still find it fascinating to think about the scale of it.
確かに。昔のゲームのデータ量の小ささって今考えるとすごいよね。(当時はダウンロードに数分かかってたのを覚えてるよ)
今じゃ100GB超えのインストールが普通で、正直狂ってるわ。笑 もちろんゲームの規模が違いすぎて単純比較はできないけど、そのスケール差を考えると面白いなって思う。普通くん+9
ObvsThrowaway5120
That computer they built was something else. I don’t quite get all the science behind it, but it’s impressive for sure. I like that they established banking as like an afterthought lol.
I hope Chrome succeeds in building a rocket that can return to earth but if Senku says it’s a one way trip, I don’t know how good his chances are.
彼らが作ったコンピューターは別格だったな。すべての科学的仕組みを完全に理解できているわけではないが、間違いなく圧巻だ。銀行システムをあたかも後付けのように確立した点が面白い。
クロムが地球に帰還可能なロケットを建造することに成功することを願うが、千空が片道切符と言っている以上、その可能性は未知数だ。考察くん+105
Boris-_-Badenov
Senku knew the answer before Magna typed it out
確かに、千空はマグマが打つ前から答えわかってたんだよね。あのコンピューターの完成度もすごかったし、科学の細かい部分はよくわからんけど圧巻だったわ。普通くん+49
shakertouzett1
I don't think he did. Senku himself mentioned how he uses approximation for his calculations. That moment was made to show up that with technology, you can surpass even the brightest minds.
確かに!千空も近似計算って言ってたし、あれは「科学の力で天才すら超えられる」ってのを見せたかったんだよな。エモすぎるッ!感情くん+33
Boris-_-Badenov
that's for inventing. it's like cooking w/o an exact recipe, he just knows the ingredients.
this was a math problem, he knows what every symbol means, and there's no way he can't do the work in his head
確かに。発明の時はレシピなしで料理するみたいなもんで、材料さえ分かればいいって感じだよね。
でもこれは数学の問題で、記号の意味も全部分かってるし、暗算できないわけないんだよな。普通くん+6
justking1414
It was clearly a rigged game but it accomplished what they wanted
せやな、完全に出来レースやったけど目的は果たしたって感じやな2ちゃん+25
discuss-not-concuss
not fond of the idea that by making a returning rocket, they are taking away time from making the rocket to attack Why-man
of course the plot wouldn’t allow it, but its a race against unknown time
確かにあのコンピュータはすごかったよね。科学の細かい部分はよくわかんないけど、マジで印象的だった。
でもさ、帰還用ロケット作るのに時間使うの、Why-man攻撃用ロケットの製作時間を減らしてるって考えが気に入らないんだよな…。ストーリー的に許されないのはわかってるけど、未知の時間との競争なんだぜ。しんどいッ!感情くん+20
justking1414
Technically chrome and Suika wouldn’t be involved with actually designing the one-way rocket so it’s not that much of a delay for the team
確かにクロムとスイカは片道ロケットの設計には直接関わらないから、チーム全体の遅延はそこまで大きくないと思うよ普通くん+57
Karavusk
>not fond of the idea that by making a returning rocket
Also it is not like you can just make a second rocket and use that on your way back. Whatever you build would make the original rocket redundant. It is either the start of a rescue mission that will finish a few years after the first one or they find a way to abuse the petrification a bit and somehow use it for propulsion.
確かにワイも最初は「戻ってくるロケット作る時間あるなら攻撃用に回せよ」って思ったンゴ
でもよく考えたら、予備のロケット作っても意味ないやん。元のロケットが無駄になるだけやし。結局は数年後の救出ミッションになるか、石化をなんとか推進に悪用する方法見つけるしかないんちゃうか?2ちゃん+16
goffer54
I like the symbolism of making it a literal space race, but there is just no way they have enough manpower to be working on two separate space projects.
確かに象徴としては面白いけど、二つの宇宙プロジェクトを同時進行する人手は絶対足りないよね。普通くん+7
HolyDragSwd2500
Senku: The rocket is a one way trip to the Moon
Me: Noooo😭
Chrome: Suika , Let’s build a round trip rocket to save them
Me: OMG yes 😭😭
まあ千空が「月への片道切符」って言った時は流石に胸が痛んだな。でもクロムがスイカに「往復ロケットを作ろう」って言ったのは良かった。普通に感動したよ。ドライおじ+81
allied_master
Can they tho? Can they realistically do both xeno engines and senku rocket frame all their own with only two people?
やばくね!?マジで無理じゃない?たった2人でゼノのエンジンと千空のロケットフレーム両方作るって現実的にムリじゃね?笑ギャル+13
HolyDragSwd2500
Chrome full of surprises. I believe in him 🙏
確かにそれは気になるよね。でもクロムはいつもサプライズをくれるから、信じてるよ🙏普通くん+46
VinLAURiA
原文
As many others have said: for all his shounen goofiness, if Chrome had been alive in the 21st century, he'd be one of the finest minds of our generation. He doesn't have the same computational acuity and academic retention as Senku, but his brand of science—self-described as "getting out there and **doing**"—means he has a strong *practical* grasp of scientific principles and very sharp intuition: in particular, his talent for repurposing and combining concepts he's taught for all-new applications would have (and indeed *has*, when it comes to **re**-inventing Stone World tech) made him a major innovator. Dude's only held back by his primitive upbringing, but even then, he's shown he learns *fast*.
せやな。クロムのアホっぽい少年漫画キャラは置いといて、もし21世紀に生きとったら間違いなく一流の頭脳やったやろな。千空みたいな計算力や暗記力はないけど、自分の言葉で言う「実際にやってみる」スタイルの科学は実践的やし勘も鋭い。特に教わった知識を別の用途に応用する才能はガチで、石世界の技術再発明でも革新者やったわ。原始的な育ち環境が足引っ張ってるけど、学習速度は異常やで。2ちゃん+58
allied_master
Even if they have some working machine i have my doubts on its reliability
確かに、動く機械があったとしても、その信頼性には疑問があるな普通くん+7
LeonKevlar
原文
I don't remember where the original came from, but this episode embodies the quote, "Computers are basically a bunch of rocks we tricked into thinking for us." Or I guess more accurately, computers are a bunch of rocks we electrocuted to think and remember. 😆
Are we sure Australia was affected by the petrification ray? It looks exactly the same! Jokes aside, with all of the resources available to them and a supply ship that can bring them food from Corn City, it really feels like we're now closer to the finish line.
Well, shit. I did not expect this to be a one-way trip. So whoever gets chosen (which will probably be Senku, Ryusui, and Tsukasa), will use the medusa to petrify themselves on the moon and wait until technology is advanced enough to rescue them?
I'm definitely with Chrome here. The gang has come so far. It would suck if they all can't enjoy their victory together. I'm excited to see how our boy figures out a way to make the one-way mission a round trip.
このエピソード、まさに「コンピューターって要は俺たちが考えてるって思い込ませてるただの石の塊だよね」って名言を体現してたな。もっと正確に言うなら「石の塊に電気流して考えさせてるだけ」って感じだけどな(笑)
オーストラリア、石化光線の影響受けたのか?見た目全く変わってなくね?冗談はさておき、コーンシティから食料運べる補給船もあるし、資源も豊富で、いよいよゴールが近づいてきた感じがするな。
まさか片道切符だったとはな。選ばれたメンバー(おそらく千空、龍水、ツカサ)はメデューサで自分を石化させて、月で技術が進歩して救出されるのを待つってことか?
クロムの気持ちがよくわかる。仲間たちがここまで来たんだ。全員で勝利を祝えないのは悲しすぎる。どうやって片道ミッションを往復に変えるのか、彼のアイデアが楽しみだ。考察くん+78
Myrkrvaldyr
原文
The calculator was invented, and now a musclehead like Magma can do better basic math than Senku. Our modern computers are so powerful and much smaller, it's always fascinating how fast and far we've progressed.
With that ship and the modern industry Senku and Xeno are reviving, they're bringing back the carbon footprint, though very slowly. Ideally, since humanity will be starting from scratch, they'll switch to nuclear much sooner and ditch petroleum. That's one positive long term change they can make now before politics inevitably bring back shit.
電卓が発明されたせいでマグマみたいな筋肉馬鹿でも千空より計算できるようになったンゴwww
現代のコンピュータはクソ高性能で小型化してて、人類の進歩の速さにワイ震えるわ
あの船とゼノ&千空が復活させてる近代産業で、ゆっくりながらも炭素排出量戻ってきてるやん
理想を言えば人類がゼロから始まるなら石油捨てて速攻で原子力にシフトしてほしいわ
政治が糞を復活させる前に長期的な改善できるチャンスやな2ちゃん+70
Boris-_-Badenov
Senku knew the answer, he said Magna got it right
確かに、千空は答えを知ってた上でマグマに正解させたんだよね。普通くん+23
redlaWw
That was Sai speaking after just finishing his sheet of calculations as the transmission finished.
ああ、サイが計算し終えた直後の発言だな。まああの場面はそういう流れだった。ドライおじ+29
VinLAURiA
原文
Petroleum has its uses besides just as fuel, but I agree that they'd be wise to ditch that particular application sooner rather than later. It's just a matter of capability: the reason petroleum fuel became so ubiquitous in the first place is that as far as energy goes, it's stupid-simple and provides the best proverbial bang for the buck at lower tech levels. Of course, this balance changes as we make progress in alternative energy—any fan of Technology Connections will know what I'm talking about—but for a civilization just starting out (or rebuilding from scratch, in this case)? Nothing beats the ol' dinosaur juice, for better or for worse.
Fortunately, all those other uses for petroleum require far less of it and in far more enduring than the "burn once and it's gone" nature of liquid fuel. Stuff like plastic and asphalt production.
石油を燃料以外にも使う方法はあるけど、その用途は早めにやめた方が賢いってのは同意だな。結局は技術力の問題で、石油燃料がここまで普及したのはエネルギーとして超シンプルで、低い技術レベルでもコスパが良かったからだよね。もちろん再生可能エネルギーが進めばバランスは変わるけど、ゼロから文明を再建する段階では、良くも悪くも石油に勝るものはない。
幸い、プラスチックやアスファルトみたいな他の用途は、燃料より消費量が少なくて持続性もある。普通くん+14
RelativeMundane9045
At first I thought that (while necessary) it was cruel to send people on a kamikaze mission, but then they brought up the medusa which made me feel better.
So remember kids - if you have a long wait ahead of you, getting stoned is the best way to pass the time.
最初は(必要なこととはいえ)特攻任務に人を送るのは残酷だと思ったが、メデューサの話が出てきて少し気が楽になったな。この流れ、制作陣がちゃんと伏線を回収しようとしてるのが分かる。
つまり子供たちよ、長い待ち時間があるなら石になるのが時間を潰す最適解ってことだ。Dr.STONEらしい科学とユーモアのバランスが光るシーンだった。考察くん+62
ReeseChloris
So high they're in space
まじで宇宙まで飛んじゃってるじゃん!やばくね!?笑ギャル+33
NanDemoKnaives
Since they were so kind to show us the imagery of Senku, Ryuusui and Tsukasa petrified on the moon, I'm sure Chrome will be able to make that rocket. Though I feel like something will go wrong with it since I'm not sure how reliable he'd be.
確かに千空たちが月で石化してるイメージを見せてくれたから、クロムならロケット作れると思う。でも彼がどこまで信頼できるか分からないから、何か問題が起きそうな気もするんだよね。普通くん+65
The_Parsee_Man
Why did they need to take their shirts off to get petrified? That was pure fanservice.
ファンサービスやんそれwww
石化するのに脱ぐ必要あんのかよ草
ワイも同意や、完全にサービスシーンやわ2ちゃん+43
redlaWw
They must have specially designed spacesuits that pop off when they detect petrification just so that they can make cool-looking statues.
確かにそれは言えてる。石化検知で服が脱げる特注宇宙服ってことだよね。かっこいい像を作るための演出ってわけか。普通くん+58
Inifi8
aura
確かに!シャツ脱ぐ必要ある?って思ったけど、それがまたエモすぎるんだよなッ!サービス満点で優勝!感情くん+31
AbidingTruth
All the men in Dr. Stone have 6 packs and need to aura farm. It's season 4 already cmon keep up
せやな、Dr.STONEの男は全員シックスパックでオーラ出しまくっとるからやろ。もう4期やぞ、ついてこいや草2ちゃん+22
kicksFR
Why doesn't Xeno go up there instead of Senku
確かに、千空の代わりにゼノが月に行けばいいのにって思うよね。普通くん+6
-inVader
you wouldn't want your best rocket scientist stranded and petrified in space, you'd rather have him preparing the return rocket or teaching the next generation to increase your chances of coming back
確かに!一番のロケット科学者を宇宙で石化させたらやばいじゃん?むしろ帰還用ロケット準備させるか次世代育てさせる方が賢いっしょ!ギャル+61
Boris-_-Badenov
how are they not encountering *any* wildlife in **Australia**??
オーストラリアなのに野生動物に全然遭遇しないのまじかよww ありえんてwwwwおじ+37
allied_master
They are still at shore
わかる!まだ海岸沿いだからね!
でもオーストラリアって言ったらもう野生動物のオンパレードじゃん?この先どれだけヤバい生物が出てくるか考えるだけで興奮するわ!!感情くん+46
Ebirah
So (for the bit they're in) there should be box jellyfish, saltwater crocodiles, blue-ringed octopuses (just to get started).
That have had several thousand years to multiply and grow enormous.
マジで!?彼らまだ海岸にいるんだったらさ、もうクラゲとかイリエワニとかアオマダラタコとかいるはずじゃん!しかも数千年かけて増えまくってデカくなってるってやばくね!?笑ギャル+15
RellenD
It wasn't important to show
せやな、オーストラリアの野生動物描写は今回あんま重要やなかったんやろな2ちゃん+8
FoolingFinality
There was an old saying in the business world: to sell a product, make it so simple even an idiot could use it.
マジでビジネスの世界ってさ、「バカでも使えるくらいシンプルにしろ」って格言あるじゃん!めっちゃわかるわ〜笑ギャル+31
FoolingFinality
The show is just becoming absurd with the pacing that I am actually enjoying it.
草www ペース配分がアホすぎて逆に楽しめてるンゴwww2ちゃん+30
VinLAURiA
原文
I like what someone said last week: the show works best as an introductory course, demystifying scientific concepts but not dwelling on them for too long before it moves onto the next paradigm. It gives you just enough knowledge for a solid starting point if you wanna go off and do your own research, without dragging down the pace for those who just want to watch for the story. And we've already covered a lot of the basics, so the pace is naturally going to pick up as we introduce further and further stages of progress. They'd already been around the turn of the 20th century at the start of S4, and as we know, that was *the* century when science skyrocketed exponentially and never looked back. So the story's just keeping pace with how we actually did it.
Honestly, I feel like the show's "cliff-note fundamentals" method is the smartest way to go about its goal, considering its young target audience. This would be great to show in schools.
先週誰かが言ってた意見に同意で、この作品は科学の概念をわかりやすく解説しつつ、深入りせず次のパラダイムへ移る入門編として機能してるのが秀逸だと思う。自分で調べたい人には十分なスタート地点を与えつつ、ストーリー重視の視聴者にはテンポを損なわない絶妙なバランス。既に基礎は多くカバー済みだから、進歩の段階が進むにつれて自然とペースも加速する構造になってる。S4開始時点で既に20世紀初頭に到達してたし、あの世紀こそ科学が指数関数的に飛躍した時代だから、現実の歩みに合わせて物語も加速してるんだろうな。若い視聴者層を考えれば、この「要点だけの基礎固め方式」は目標達成に最も賢い手法だと思う。学校教材としても優秀だろうね。考察くん+30
FoolingFinality
It's good to see Tsukasa again, even if he is a statue.
わー、ツカサまた見れて嬉しいじゃん!しかも石像だけどね笑ギャル+25
ActiveAd4980
I forgot, but what's the reason why they can't wait to make a return ship? Other than that they want to bring back humanity and confront Why-Man ASAP?
そういえば急いで帰りの船を作る理由ってなんだっけ?人類を復活させてWhy-Manと早く対決したいって以外で。普通くん+17
ParaboloidVector
Why-Man has only ever sent out two messages - "Why?" and "12,800,000 meters, one second". A few episodes ago, Why-Man finally sent something different: "Do you wanna die?".
The team is operating on the assumption that maybe Why-Man is running out of patience and at any point could start hard spamming them with petri devices again.
Why-Manがこれまでに送信したメッセージは「なぜ?」と「1280万メートル、1秒」の2つだけだった。数話前、Why-Manはついに別のメッセージを送信した:「死にたいか?」と。
チームは、Why-Manが忍耐の限界に達し、いつ再びペトリ装置を大量に送り込んできてもおかしくないという前提で動いている。つまり、時間的猶予がないという考察ができる。考察くん+85
Saffie91
I'm pretty sure at this point why mans a good guy who wanted to make everyone immortal. Do you wanna die? Well he fixed that for you.
確かにWhy-Manはみんなを不死にしようとした善人だと思うよ。「死にたい?」って聞かれたら、それを解決してくれてるんだからな。普通くん+7
CheesyMacarons
Don’t forget what Senku said earlier about Why-Man’s potential petrification assault - eternal life doesn’t mean anything if everyone’s petrified.
確かに千空が言ってたよなw 石化攻撃で永遠の命なんて意味ないってなw まじワロタwwwwwwおじ+7
MokonaModokiES
they are under the threat of whyman petrifying them again. Remenber the Matsukaze flashback about how their tribe were petrified even when they had no technology. They just accidentaly got the attention of whyman due to them making accidental electric noise with their instruments(drums).
確かに、ホワイマンにまた石化されるリスクがあるからだよね。松風の回想で、技術がなくても部族が石化されたって話があったし。彼らが楽器(太鼓)で偶然電気ノイズを出して、ホワイマンの注意を引いちゃったのが原因だったんだ。普通くん+36
YourFavoriteCommie
原文
This might have to do with how rocketry works, famously called the rocket equation. You have your payload, and to move in space you need to bring fuel to move that mass. However, the fuel also has mass. So, you need to bring fuel to bring the payload and the fuel needed to land on the Moon. Wait - that has mass too. so you need to bring even more fuel to move the payload and landing fuel and the orbit fuel. And so on, exponentially.
So, if you don't bring any return rocket or the fuel for it or develop heat shields, say you cut your final lander mass in half, your final rocket might be 1/4 the size. If their timeline is tight, that could make a big difference in making the rocket way simpler with the technology they have.
せやな、ロケット方程式ってやつやな。ペイロード運ぶのに燃料が必要で、その燃料にも重さがあるから、どんどん燃料増やさなアカンねん。指数関数的に増えるンゴwww
もし帰還ロケットや燃料、耐熱シールドを省略したら、着陸機の質量半分で済んで、ロケット全体は4分の1サイズになるわけや。タイトなスケジュールなら、今の技術でシンプルに作るにはデカい差やろな。2ちゃん+10
FoolingFinality
What's with the subtitle saying lively music when Chrome is depressed.
え、サブタイトルで「活気ある音楽」って言ってるのにクロム落ち込んでるのやばくない!?笑ギャル+9
TheOneWithALongName
No coral, I guess it died before the humanity got petrified.
珊瑚ないやん、どうやら人類が石化する前に死んでたっぽいな2ちゃん+6
Nesp2
Honestly, chills at the revelation that this mission is a one way ticket. The rocket needed Xeno and Senku's combined knowledge to be build, how on earth can Chrome and Suika do anything??
マジでやばくない!?このミッションが片道切符って判明した時、鳥肌たったんだけど笑。ロケット作るのにゼノと千空の知識が必要だったのに、クロムとスイカだけでどうすんのマジで??ギャル+6
Kure_Brex
Suika is so fucking cute holy shit
スイカちゃんマジで天使すぎやろwwwかわいさで草2ちゃん+6
redditraptor6
Chrome, buddy, you are super important. Don’t downplay yourself. You’re the proof that humanity will always continue to produce more ‘science users’. You’re low-key the heart of this story
クローム、お前はめっちゃ大事な存在だよ。自分を過小評価すんな。お前こそ人間がこれからもどんどん「科学を使う人」を生み出し続ける証拠だし、実はこの物語の心臓部的な存在だと思う。普通くん+7
Agumander
You see they built this thing called a ray-dio which lets them communicate over long distance
やばくね!?あいつら「レイ-ディオ」っての作ったんだけど、それで遠くの人と話せるようになったんだって!まじすごくない!?ギャル+39
allied_master
They are 3 groups, zeno group is in South America, Senku group is near Australia by end of episode, and rest of them are in corn city
最終回でグループが3つに分かれてて、ゼノ組は南米、千空組はエピソード終盤でオーストラリア近く、残りはコーンシティって感じだね普通くん+26
Boris-_-Badenov
just set the Medusa in the rocket, say X meters in Y seconds.
cover the entire moon
草、もう月全体にメデューサ仕込んでロケットで打ち上げて「Y秒でXメートル」って設定すりゃええやんwww2ちゃん+5
allied_master
Why man is more than likely not human given that he is alive for more than 3000 years and lives on moon
それな!メデューサをロケットに仕込んで月全体覆うとか発想がエモすぎるッ!でも3000年以上生きてて月に住んでる時点で人間じゃないの確定だろ…しんどい感情くん+19
Boris-_-Badenov
who says he wasn't petrified most of the time?
それな!笑 でもまじで彼がずっと石化してたって可能性あるじゃん?てか月で3000年も生きてる時点で人間じゃないって言われてるけど、石化してた時間考えたら普通に納得できるし〜ギャル+8
Guaymaster
Wasn't the voice heard on the radio a synthesis of Senku's own? If Why-man is a normal human they'd have no reason to use voice synthesis or hide their identity (they after all on the Moon, in the infinitesimally small chance someone knows their voice nothing would come of it anyway).
plot twist: it was Mecha Senku all along
確かにラジオの声は千空の合成音だったよね。Why-manが普通の人間なら声を合成したり正体隠す必要ないし(何せ月にいるし、声を知ってる人がいても確率的にほぼ影響ないし)。
まさかの展開:全部メカ千空でしたってオチかもな。普通くん+14
The_Parsee_Man
That's a possibility. I think Why man being a computer is more likely.
確かにそれもありかもね!でもやっぱWhy manがコンピューター説の方が濃くない?てかそっちの方がドラマチックじゃん!笑ギャル+9
allied_master
Who undid it suddenly 3000 years later that to specifically when Senku were starting to beam radio waves so he can respond with why? Or recently do you wanna die
確かに、3000年後に突然石化を解いたのは誰なのか、千空が電波を発信したタイミングでなぜ応答できたのか、そこが気になるよね。「死にたいのか」ってセリフも最近の話だし。普通くん+5
Querez
You can't exactly guarantee Why-Man is human
確かに人間って保証はできないよな…ワイマンが本当に人間かどうかまだわかんないしッ!感情くん+7
Mediocre-Act483
GO CHROME!!!!! YOU AND SUIKA CAN DO IT!!!!! I'M GETTING EXCITED!!!!!
クローム頑張れ!!スイカと一緒ならできる!!めっちゃワクワクしてきた!!!普通くん+5
djthomp
原文
Having Magna run the calculator for the math competition was pretty great.
Senku's plan of a one-way trip does make a lot of sense, there's a lot of complex problems you just don't have to solve. Being able to blast off of the Moon, bringing all of the fuel for the second trip with on the first trip, calculating the flight back, making a landing or splash down work without everyone dying in the process, etc. I'm not sure how Chrome is going to manage all of that and more without Senku and Xeno shutting it down eventually as a waste of resources.
マグマが算数対決で電卓動かしてたの草生えたわw
千空の片道切符プランはせやなって思うわ。月面から飛び立つにせよ、往復分の燃料を最初に持ってくにせよ、帰還計算や着水を事故なく成功させるにせよ、複雑な問題を回避できるしな。ただクロムが千空やゼノに「資源の無駄」って却下されずに全部やり遂げられるかは微妙やけどな。2ちゃん+5
Devatator_
You can't guarantee that Why Man is human, or doesn't have countermeasures
やばくね!?「WHY MAN」が人間だって保証ないし、対策持ってない可能性もまじでありえんじゃん笑ギャル+18
Shrike99
原文
Even if he is human, it's been speculated that he's using a Medusa to petrify himself and only waking up for brief periods to check on Earth every however-many years.
So chances are if you sent a 'Medusa missile' he'd already be stone when you set it off and you'd have no effect.
Or that even if you did manage to catch him during one of his brief 'awake' periods, whatever revival system he has would just activate at the next scheduled wake-up time and he'd be back on schedule (and pissed off).
確かに。仮にWhy Manが人間だとしても、自分にメデューサを使って石化してて、数年に一度だけ目覚めて地球をチェックしてるって説があるんだよね。
だから「メデューサミサイル」を撃ち込んでも、発射時にはもう石化してて効かない可能性が高い。
たとえ短い覚醒期間中に捕まえても、次の予定時刻に復活システムが作動して、また元通り(しかも激怒)ってオチになりそう。普通くん+12
Shrike99
原文
That's incorrect. Delta-v to return from the lunar surface is more like 2700m/s. Also, mass grows logarithmically with delta-v, so even a relatively small increase in delta-v requires a much larger rocket.
Case-in-point: Apollo was able to return about 300kg from the lunar surface to Earth, however in one-way configuration it could deliver about 10,000kg to the lunar surface. That's about a 30-fold difference.
Not to mention Apollo used lunar-orbit-rendezvous which kinda cheats by not having to take the heatshield and parachute mass down to the lunar surface and back.
But that probably isn't on the table for Senku and co since they want all three people to land and lack the tech to leave an automated module in orbit.
With direct ascent the Apollo return profile would have required an initial mass some 60% greater, which makes that 30-fold difference more like 50-fold.
And indeed if we look at a real world direct-ascent mission, Luna-16, we see it massed ~1800kg upon Lunar landing and just 35kg upon returning to Earth - also about a 50-fold difference.
All of which is to say that you can make your rocket a few dozen times smaller for a given amount of payload if it's a one-way trip.
月面からの帰還に必要なΔvは約2700m/sだぞ。しかも質量はΔvに対して対数的に増えるから、ちょっと上がっただけでもロケットがデカくなるンゴ。
具体例:アポロ計画では月面から地球に約300kg持ち帰れたけど、片道なら月面に約10,000kg届けられた。約30倍の差や。
しかもアポロは月周回ランデブー方式で、熱シールドやパラシュートの重量を月面に持ってかなくて済んでたからズルいって話もある。
でも千空たちは3人全員着陸させたいし、無人モジュールを軌道上に残す技術もないから無理やろな。
直接上昇方式ならアポロの初期質量は60%増しで、30倍差が50倍差くらいになる。
実際の直接上昇ミッション「ルナ16号」だと月着陸時1800kg、地球帰還時35kgで、やっぱり50倍差。
つまり片道ならペイロード固定でロケットを数十倍小さくできるってことや。2ちゃん+5
ohoni
The Medusa *only* works on humans (and swallows). Are you really going to take the chance that the being who's lived on the moon for thousands of years is human?
確かにメデューサは人間(とツバメ)にしか効かないけど、何千年も月で生きてきた存在が人間だって信じるリスクは取れないよな。普通くん+6
SkullcrobatTheGod
That makes sense
確かにそれな!人間とツバメにしか効かないって考えると、長生きしてる存在に使うのはリスクありすぎじゃん?笑ギャル+5