#4MAO
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ExpertCaterpillar2
I like the retro feel of this show, feels like I'm watching Saturday morning cartoons all over again.
このアニメのレトロな感じ好きだわw 土曜の朝のアニメ見てる気分になる笑wwwおじ+36
Frontier246
This was basically a Scooby-Doo plot where everything supernatural was 90% fake and it was basically a real estate scam.
They would’ve gotten away with it too if it wasn’t for the meddling Mao and his stupid sidekicks!
確かにレトロな雰囲気はいいよね。でも今回の話、超常現象の90%が偽物で、実質不動産詐欺だったって感じだな。マオとそのバカな仲間たちがいなければ、彼らも逃げ切れてたのに!普通くん+24
ObvsThrowaway5120
Shoko wasn’t a total fraud after all if she could see The Great Kanto Earthquake. Her father might have been scheming and murdering to keep up their grift but it seems she really did have some power like she said. I guess it just mostly faded.
草草草、Shoko本当はインチキじゃなかったんかよwww 関東大震災見えてたってマジかよ。クソ親父は詐欺続けるために殺人とか企んでたけど、娘はマジで能力あったってわけか。ただほとんど消えちゃったってとこやな。2ちゃん+35
Frontier246
Honestly a part of me can’t help but think she genuinely did want to help people but by the time her powers were gone she had nothing but her last vision and a father who was using her.
And had to face the organization becoming nothing more than a scam cult.
正直なところ、彼女が本当に人を助けたいと思っていた部分があったのは間違いないと思う。ただ、能力を失った時点で残されたのは最後の予知と、彼女を利用していた父親だけだったんだろうな。そして組織がただの詐欺カルトと化していくのを目の当たりにせざるを得なかった、という考察ができる。考察くん+14
coffeecakesupernova
Or perhaps the vision of the Great Earthquake was so strong it blocked any other vision she might see.
確かに、大地震の予知があまりに強烈すぎて、他のビジョンが見えなくなってたのかもね。普通くん+13
ModieOfTheEast
I think it will be interesting to see how the time dilation keeps developing. There is still not much logic to it. And if the earthquake is connected to the accident, that would mean that they could get into the past if Nanoka is present in the past during the event.
時間の流れの歪みがどのように発展していくか、非常に興味深い考察ポイントだ。現時点ではまだ論理的な整合性が完全には取れていないと思われる。そして、地震と事故が関連しているなら、菜花が過去のその出来事に立ち会っている場合、彼女たちが過去に遡る可能性も示唆される。この設定は今後の伏線として巧妙に機能するのではないか。考察くん+25
LezRock
There's definitely a time dilation, because the density of the story and characters draws me in so deeply, and then ends so suddenly when I'm still expecting more. 😆 I'm thinking it's only the halfway point, but then the credits start rolling.
せやな、時間の伸び縮みガチであるわ。ストーリーとキャラの密度が濃すぎて引き込まれて、もっと見たいと思ったら突然終わるンゴwww 😆 半分くらいの気分でおったらエンドロール流れて草。2ちゃん+6
Frontier246
I wonder if the time dilation has something to do with Nanako using her powers. This is the first time she’s gone back and hasn’t exhibited any Byoki abilities, I think.
確かに、時間の遅れはナナコが能力を使ったことと関係あるのかもね。今回初めて過去に戻っても病氣の能力を見せてないし、その辺が気になる。普通くん+6
ModieOfTheEast
Could be, but then the logic would be opposite in the present. Because when she came back the first time, she used her powers to escape the truck and there was no measurable dilation (Otoya said they met one day before). However, the second time around, she didn't use her powers and 10 days went by in the past.
確かに時間の歪みとナナコの能力の因果関係は興味深い考察点だな。ただ、現在と過去で論理が逆転する可能性が高い。初回のタイムリープ時、彼女は能力でトラックを回避したが、過去では明確な時間の歪みは観測されなかった(音也が「一日前に会った」と発言)。一方、二度目は能力を使わずに10日間が経過した。この非対称性を考えると、能力使用の有無が時間軸の収縮・伸長に影響を与えている可能性が示唆される。考察くん+5
khanvau
And this is why you stay away from curses.
Can't be a Rumiko Takahashi series without a miko girl. Tho this one was a fraud alongside her father. But it seems like she used to have powers, and she was right about the great disaster.
This was a decent episode. I liked how the mysteries were solved. But it doesn't feel like the main story has started yet.
呪いには関わらない方がいいってことだね。
高橋留美子作品には巫女キャラがつきものだよな。今回のは父親共々偽物だったけど。でも昔は力があったみたいだし、大災害の予言は当たってたんだな。
今回の話は良かったよ。謎解きの流れが面白かった。でもまだ本筋が始まった感じはしないな。普通くん+20
Frontier246
Sakura if she was a fraud and was caught up in a life of crime because of her family.
それな!呪いには関わらないのが正解じゃん笑
桜がもし詐欺師で、家族のせいで犯罪に巻き込まれたらこんな感じになるんだよね〜やばくね!?ギャル+5
HolyDragSwd2500
Shoko prediction of the Earthquake is real
震えたわw 予言マジかよ草wwwおじ+14
ModieOfTheEast
Got me thinking that Nanoka could also use her knowledge of future events to help save some people. Question how well that goes with time paradoxes but that is a question for a different time.
確かに、奈々花が未来の知識を駆使して人々を救う力を秘めていると我が直感も告げている。だが時空の因果律に干渉する危険性は、深遠なる禁忌の領域。その謎を解き明かす時は、まだ来ぬのだ。中二病+5
Frontier246
She might be destined for prison but she at least TRIED to save anyone who heard her last prophecy.
確かに、彼女は牢獄の身となる運命でありながら、最後の予言を聞いた者たちを救おうとした。その覚悟、某(それがし)は武士の鏡と見申した。武士+5
Frontier246
原文
Thank goodness Nanoka isn't alone in her investigation of the cult! She's got Otoya and Mao is conducting his own investigation by way of binding a demon spirit! So, y'know, typical supernatural detective stuff!
Jeez Shoko, didn't have to sounds so smug about having predicted Yoriko's fathers' death! And I'm sure it's mighty convenient that Yoriko will just be able to hand the Shorinkyo sect her fathers' dojo. When in doubt, it's ALWAYS about real estate!
Having a demon spirit at your beck and call is surprisingly convenient as both a light source, locator, AND to scare the heck out of bad guys.
Ah yes, a secret cellar! Perfect for searching for clues AND for getting locked in there by Shoko! But also convenient for finding a shovel, which is great for freeing yourself AND discovering a bunch of decayed, skeletal, corpses!
Priestess Shoko once upon a time DID have a psychic gift, enough that she was able to consult and predict things...but it faded with age and by then the Shorinkyo had grown into a full cult with her at the center of it, despite having no power and no control as Sogen started to run things HIS way. All she really has left is her last and only vision: a vision of the end.
Otoya sounds WAY too proud of digging up those dead bodies.
So Sogen was a dabbler in the spiritual arts, even if he basically stole a book of curses and tried to use it to facilitate his own obsession with power, even if it meant using believers to kill their parents and then kill them when they tried to expose him. It was satisfying seeing Mao give him a taste of his own curse medicine and show how you REALLY curse someone, enough to expose all his crimes.
Shoko didn't seem to know about the murders, or at least she wasn't 100% sure of Sogen's role in it, so she was ultimately just a figurehead powerless to do anything to stop Sogen...her father. But she'll still take responsibility for her role in this.
Sogen and Shoko are arrested, but honestly I hope they don't throw the book at Shoko. I feel like she was as much a victim of her father as anybody else was and she genuinely meant to help people, even as she was being arrested...because she just had to warn everyone of a disaster that will befall Japan.
Poor Yoriko. All she wanted to do was save her father, but instead she had to think she might have poisoned him and was even willing to turn herself into the police to face justice for it. I guess it's better that she just knocked him out with a sedative so Sogen could kill him, so she was just as much a victim, but her father is still gone. Aaaaand she's likely to strike out with Mao in the romance department.
Good news is that Nanoka made it back home with only an hour time difference! The bad news is that also means she can confirm with certainty a disaster heading straight for Mao's time: the Great Kanto Earthquake.
楠花がカルトの調査を一人でやってなくて本当によかった!音也もいるし、猫鬼は悪霊を縛って独自調査中!まあ、よくある超自然探偵の展開ってとこだね。
しょうこ先輩、依子の父親の死を予言してたってそんな得意げに言わなくてもいいじゃん!そして依子がそのまま青林教に道場を譲るってのは確かに都合良すぎるよな。結局いつだって不動産が絡むんだよ!
悪霊を従えるのって光源にも位置探知にも使えるし、悪者を怖がらせるにも便利すぎる。
秘密の地下室かあ。手がかり探しにぴったりだけど、しょうこに閉じ込められるのもお約束!でもスコップが見つかって脱出できるのは助かった…ついでに白骨死体も発見しちゃったけどね。
巫女しょうこは昔は確かに霊能力があったんだな。相談に乗ったり予言もできたけど、歳とともに衰えて、その頃には青林教は立派なカルトになってた。宗元が好き勝手に動かす中で、彼女には何の力もなくて…唯一残ったのは最後の予言、終末のビジョンだけ。
音也、死体掘り出したのをちょっと自慢しすぎじゃない?
宗元は霊術をかじってただけだったんだな。呪いの書を盗んで力に執着し、信者に親殺しをさせて暴露しようとした者も殺す。猫鬼が同じ呪いをお返しして、本当の呪いってやつを見せてくれたのはスッ普通くん+11
ModieOfTheEast
I mean, she was still tricking people. Even if she didn't kill anyone, she played her part and kept a blind eye towards whatever her father did. Remember, it was her that locked the trap door. Obviously, that is not nearly as bad as her father and there is a point to be made that she was influenced or even forced by him. But she could have always just revealed that it was a scam.
ふむ…彼女は確かに人々を欺き続けていたのだ。直接手を下さなかったとしても、その役割を果たし、父の所業に目を背けていた。思い出せ、罠の扉を閉めたのは彼女自身。無論、父より罪は軽く、彼の影響や強制があったという主張も理解できる。だが、彼女には常に詐欺を暴く選択肢があったのだ。この運命の鎖、容易には断ち切れぬものよ。中二病+8
Deoxail
This anime deserves more recognition, it is so peak 📈
このアニメ評価されなさすぎやろ、ガチで最高やん📈2ちゃん+9
NoHead1715
Was thinking about the Great Earthquake when Shoko shouted about the coming firestorm. I think that's going to be the portal that opened and took Nanako the very first time. The time wonkiness is still a mystery without any seeming pattern.
This episode reminded me that Rumiko-sensei used to write horror stories as well with the *Mermaid Saga*.
地震の話が出てたけど、ショーコが火の嵐を叫んだシーンであの大地震を思い出したよ。あれが最初にナナコを連れ去ったポータルなんじゃないかな。時間の歪みはまだパターンが見えなくて謎だね。
今回のエピソード見て、高橋留美子先生が『人魚シリーズ』でホラーも書いてたの思い出した。不気味さが共通してる気がする。普通くん+8
avboden
I'm surprised how little traction this show has gained here on reddit. It's good!
確かにこのアニメ、Redditでほとんど話題にならぬのが不思議で仕方ないでござる。実に良き作品であるな!武士+5
Axl_Red
原文
Felt like an average villain of the week episode. But the music when Mao was apprehending the father was really good, so I feel like this show has the potential to become really good when it tackles the main plot threads. The show is really teasing Mao's curse to be something truly awful, so I'm really curious to find out what's so bad about it. Hopefully they don't keep us waiting too long.
The plot thread about the incoming Japanese Earthquake is also pretty interesting. I wonder if that was actually the moment Nanako got attacked as a child, since that town is still fine in this time period. It would be cool if this show builds up to that event becoming a really major plot moment.
So far, Nanako and Mao's relationship hasn't really developed that much, so it kinda does feel like the main story hasn't really started yet. More than Mao, I'm really interested to find out more about Nanako. What really drives her. Because so far, she hasn't expressed that much emotion about the tragedies of her past.
今週の敵は平均的な一話完結型の敵って感じだったね。でもマオが父親を捕まえる時の音楽はめっちゃ良かったから、本筋の話に入ったらこの作品はすごく良くなるポテンシャルがあると思う。マオの呪いがめっちゃヤバそうな感じに匂わせてるから、何がそんなに悪いのかすごく気になる。長く引っ張らないでほしいな。
あと、日本の地震の伏線も結構面白い。あの町は現代でも無事だから、ナナコが子供の頃に襲われた瞬間なのかな。この作品がそのイベントを大きな見せ場に盛り上げていくならカッコいいかも。
今のところナナコとマオの関係はあんまり進展してないから、まだ本編が始まってない感じがするな。マオよりもナナコのことをもっと知りたい。彼女の原動力って何なんだろう。過去の悲劇に対して今のところあんまり感情を見せてないからさ。普通くん+5
Golden_fsh
Decent episode. Shoko wasn't a psychic fraud but her dad was using the cult as a grift to steal land from their followers. Mao still remains cool af.
Pretty certain that Nanko was somehow transported to the past to the time of the Great Kanto Earthquake when her family was attacked. Will she let Mao know about the upcoming earthquake or will she keep quiet to not disrupt the past and future?
まあまあな回やったな。祥子はインチキ霊能者じゃなかったけど、親父が信者から土地を奪うためにカルト使ってたってオチか。マオは相変わらずクールすぎるンゴwww
南海子が関東大震災の時代に飛ばされて家族襲われたのは確実やろ。彼女、地震のことマオに教えるんか?それとも過去と未来を乱さないために黙っとくんか?気になるわ。2ちゃん+7