#3MAO
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Ashteron
1. Nanoka saw a fire, but the fire didn't happen on the other side.
2. Priestess predicted a fire.
3. The mapping of the passage of time between the worlds isn't linear.
Prediction: it isn't that the mapping of the passage of time isn't linear. It is achronological. The fire Nanoka saw is simply yet to happen from Mao's perspective.
1. 菜花は火事を見たけど、向こう側では起きてなかったんだよな
2. 巫女が火事を予言してた
3. 世界間の時間の流れの対応は直線的じゃない
予想:時間の対応が直線的じゃないって話じゃなくて、時間軸が無秩序なんだと思う。菜花が見た火事は、単に毛の視点ではまだ起きてないだけじゃないかな普通くん+46
ModieOfTheEast
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Yeah, that is what was my conclusion as well. At first, I thought maybe it was just too distant in the past but considering that the life span of these Yokai is way longer that it would be unlikely.
However, that idea still opens up two big questions:
1) Is there some form of way to either predict or even influence what time you land in when going back? Because if it just random that would be a rather weird story. Sure, now it has some problems, but they are at least moving forward, so it can't happen that you land sometime when Mao doesn't even know you. Which would then also open up a time paradoxon.
2) What are the ghosts in the town? If they are not remnants of the fire, are they the future villagers? Or do they have a different role in all of that?
確かに、私も同じ結論に至った。最初は単に過去が遠すぎるだけかと考えたが、これらの妖怪の寿命を考えればその可能性は低い。
ただ、この仮説には二つの大きな疑問が残る:
1) 過去に戻る際、着地点を予測・操作する手段は存在するのか?もしランダムなら、ストーリーとして不自然だ。現状問題はあるが、少なくとも進行している以上、猫鬼が自分を知らない時代に着地することはありえない。それが発生すればタイムパラドックスを引き起こす。
2) 町の幽霊たちの正体は?もし火事の残滓ではないなら、未来の村人なのか?あるいは別の役割を担っているのか?考察くん+21
FLorianGran
It was nice of Nanoka's friends to give the kinda geeky guy a shot (he even got a bishie sparkle). He's unfortunately no match for sexy yokai doctor man
ナノカの友達ってさ、あのちょいオタっぽい男にチャンスあげてて優しいじゃん!しかも彼、ビジュアルキラキラエフェクトまで出てたし笑 でも残念、セクシー妖怪ドクター男には敵わないよね〜ギャル+34
Frontier246
At least they saved him from Nanoka being 100% dense to his crush by spelling it out to her.
確かに、彼女の友達が直接説明してくれたおかげで、ナノカが100%鈍感なまま彼の恋心に気づかずに済んだのは良かったね。普通くん+20
HolyDragSwd2500
Omg it’s Inuyasha all over again 😆
Minus making up some bizarre sickness for Nanoka
「うわっ、まさか犬夜叉の再来すぎるッ!😆
ナノカに変な病気設定がない分マシだけどな!」感情くん+29
Frontier246
* Jumping from different Japanese time periods.
* Long-lived white-haired male lead the show is named after.
* Male lead wields a sword.
* Female lead starts wearing clothes appropriate to the era.
確かに、時代背景が違う日本の時代を行き来してる感じとか、白髪の長生き主人公とか、刀使うとか、ヒロインが時代に合った服着始めるとか、犬夜叉と似てるポイント多いよね。ナノカの変な病気設定がないだけで。普通くん+24
Ok-Diamond-7121
And, cat themed instead of dog
確かに!犬じゃなくて猫テーマなの最高すぎるッ!感情くん+18
Frontier246
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I love the supernatural mystery vibe they have going here.
Congratulations Nanoka! You wielded the Sword of Hagunsei and slayed your first monster! Even if it's a sword cursed by Byoki that can only be wielded by Mao, because otherwise any other person whose used it has died before it came back to Mao (probably some stories there)! Meaning you are definitely cursed by Byoki somehow.
Look, I know this is important plot relevant information, but Otoya's kind of split in half here, so could we help a poor guy out? Also, good luck to the police for trying to make sense of all this. And Mao? Telling a girl who just fainted to "wake up" is not going to work how you think it will.
Ah, so Otoya is a Shikigami! Meaning if Mao can patch up a doll that represents him, he'll be right as rain! Even if Nanoka DID nearly kill him!
So the time differential both ways seems to be a single day = five days wherever Nanoka isn't, so she has to manage her time wisely. Though I guess her grandpa being pretty accepting helps!
Nice of Nanoka's classmate Shiroha to investigate the landfall that Nanoka was in...not for the incident itself but out of his interest in HER (even if it takes her gal pals for Nanoka to realize how hard he's crushing on her). But she has more than romance to figure out what with the mysterious fire she remembers and the Byoki blood that might have been on her.
It's nice to see Mao running his Yokai clinic. Ultimately he's not a warrior out to slay all evil Yokai, but a healer who seeks to help others be they human or Yokai.
Priestess Shoko (Marina Inoue?) is a psychic running a doomsday cult, and woe betide you if you get on her bad side or she'll prophesises your death...and it'll come true. RIP Yoriko's dad. But is there more to it? Mao recalls when Byoki seemingly killed his master and absorbed/downloaded the ability to control lifespans. An ability that granted Mao immortality and may have done the same to Nanoka.
(Also, Mao is going on 919-920? Watch out you don't fall for an extremely older guy, Nanoka)
Who better to infiltrate a doomsday cult filled with the young and innocent than Nanoka? And what better excuse to put her in a Taisho-era outfit that she looks fantastic in!
Nanoka can definitely read some sus vibes from the doomsday cult, even if Shoko is apparently able to genuinely cure the sick...but Nanoka can SMELL the scam from it and Master Sogen. And also poor Yoriko who seems utterly shaken, probably because of her dad.
このシリーズの超自然的ミステリーな雰囲気、めっちゃ好きだわ。
ナノカおめでとう!破軍星の刀を振るって初めてのモンスター討伐だね。でもその刀、 Maoしか使えないはずのビョーキに呪われた代物で、他の人が使うと全員死んでるんだよな(多分何かエピソードがあるんだろうけど)。つまりナノカも何らかの形でビョーキに呪われてるってことか。
重要なプロット情報だってのは分かってるけど、音尾が半分に割れてるんだが、まず彼を助けようぜ。あと警察がこの状況を理解しようとするのは大変そうだな。そして Mao、気絶した女の子に「起きろ」って言っても思うようにはいかないぞ。
ああ、音尾は式神だったのか! Maoが彼を象徴する人形を修繕すれば治るってわけか。ナノカが彼を殺しかけたけどな!
時間差はどっちの方向でも、いない側では1日=5日みたいだな。だからナノカは時間をうまく管理しないと。でも祖父が結構理解あるのが助かってる。
ナノカのクラスメイトの白葉が彼女が関わった事件を調べてくれるのは良いけど、事件そのものより彼女に興味があるんだよな(女友達に言われるまでナノカが気づかないほど彼がベタ惚れってことか)。でも彼女には恋愛どころじゃない謎があるんだよな、記憶にある謎の火事とか、自分にビョーキの血がついてた可能性とか。普通くん+24
171194Joy6
With the explanation of what Mao's assistant is, I feel like Funa is also a shikigami...
まじで!?Funaも式神なんじゃねって思っちゃったんだけど!やばくない!?ギャル+20
Axl_Red
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Pretty weird that they just glossed over the "cursed" part of the curse, because so far, it seems like a sweet ass blessing to me. Immortality, super strength, super healing, and a sweet-ass sword that no one can wield and always returns to you? Sign me the fuck up.
I get that they are probably saving the downsides of the curse reveal for later, but it is slightly annoying how dense/slow on the uptake the characters can be. It's like they aren't really that curious about the stuff going on around them at all, and just going with the flow.
「呪い」って言われてるわりに全然デメリット出てこなくて草
不死身、超筋力、超回復、しかも誰も使えねぇのに勝手に戻ってくるクソ強剣持ち?ワイそれでええわwww
まあ多分後で呪いのデメリット明かされるんだろうけどさ
でもキャラが鈍感すぎてムカつくンゴ…周りの異変に興味なさすぎて流されすぎやろ2ちゃん+19
duo99dusk
What ugly pattern in their uniforms, the classmate boy's pants looked like an old handkerchief
うわっ、あの制服の模様ヤバすぎる!クラスメートの男子のズボン、古いハンカチみたいでしんどいッ!感情くん+14
khanvau
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What. Otoya is still alive even after he got split in half? So, he's a shikigami. Was kinda obvious he wasn't normal. He probably doesn't age like Mao. But wait, did Mao "make" him? Wouldn't that basically make him his father? Weird.
Do the police in this world know how to deal with the supernatural? That'd make them very capable.
The time differences don't make any sense. At least for now. The first time she went to the Taisho era, no time passed in the modern age at all. If the time difference stacks every time she crosses worlds, it could be a problem. So, the accident happened in 2011. Ig that confirms the modern day takes place in 2019. Not so "modern" now. Feels like a lifetime ago. Ig they didn't go the Inuyasha route by updating the year for the anime. Makes me hopeful that this adaptation will be more faithful.
Shihara is basically just Hojo if he were nerdier.
Wait, if the great fire Nanoka saw when she was a child wasn't in the modern day, and it wasn't in the past either, does that mean there's a 3rd timeline? That'd be crazy.
A priestess who can manipulate lifespans. What a scam. When she said the father would die in 3 days, it was pretty obvious she was just gonna kill him lol. Great prophecy.
This was a good episode. Guess we're entering multi-episode arcs now.
【なんJの反応】
・乙夜、真っ二つにされても生きとるんか草
・式神やったんか…まあ普通じゃないのは分かってたンゴねえ
・猫魔蓮と同様に不老ってこと?つかマオが作ったなら実質父親やんキモwww
・この世界の警察、オカルト対応できてて有能すぎやろ
・時間差の設定が意味不明すぎるンゴ…最初に大正行った時は現代で時間経過ゼロやったのに
・もし世界渡るたびに時間差が積み重なるならヤバいな
・事故は2011年ってことは現代は2019年か…もう「現代」って感じせんわ
・犬夜叉みたいに年号更新せんとるの草、原作準拠でやってくれるんか
・尸良は北条のオタク版やんけwww
・子供の頃見た大火事、現代でも過去でもないってことは第三の時間軸あるんか?頭おかしくなるわ
・寿命操作できる巫女とか完全に詐欺師やん。父親が3日後死ぬって予言、自分で殺す気だろこれwww
・今回の話良かったな。そろそろ複数話アーク突入か2ちゃん+11
soul2nugget
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>Ig that confirms the modern day takes place in 2019.
>Ig they didn't go the Inuyasha route by updating the year for the anime.
It was actually confirmed in episode 1, but you'd need to know a bit about Japanese holidays... At the beginning of the episode, the woman on tv mentions a "10-day holiday" (10連休, *Juu-renkyuu*). However it may depend on the sub how much they specify it - seems Hulu just says "the first day after *the holiday*." But the sentence spoken in the anime matches the speech bubble from the manga: *Ohayou gozaimasu. Juu-renkyuu ikaga osugoshi deshita ka?*
Late April/early May has multiple holidays, which they call "Golden Week." For 2019 in particular, the change of emperors created a double golden week#Transition_to_Reiwa_period_(2019)) that was 10 days long. It's trickier to update the year when there's such a specific reference 😅
This actually gives us a very specific date for the start of Nanoka's adventures: May 7, 2019. And if you look at the newspaper from Mao's time in episode 2 (or ch. 3 in the manga), it says Taisho 12 May 8th (Taisho 12 = 1923). Remember that Nanoka went home, took a nighttime bath, then went back to the past the next day. Yes, that's right, *Rumiko's actually keeping track of the passage of time for this one* :0
Also the manga began publishing on May 8, 2019 😄
このコメントから現代パートは2019年が舞台だと確定できるんだな。実は1話で既に示唆されていたんだよな。日本の祝日に詳しければ気づける要素で、テレビの女性が「10連休」と言ってるんだ。2019年は天皇交代で特別に10連休のゴールデンウィークがあった。つまり奈々花の冒険開始日は2019年5月7日と特定できる。さらに2話の新聞が大正12年5月8日(1923年)と一致するから、時間経過をきっちり計算してるのがわかる。しかも漫画の連載開始日も2019年5月8日だから、制作陣の意図が読めるな。考察くん+19
Frontier246
I'd like to imagine the police of the city are at least somewhat familiar with/on good terms with Mao so they can let/accept supernatural stuff happening so long as he takes care of it.
確かに!音也、真っ二つにされたのに生きてるの無理すぎるし、式神確定じゃん。もう最初から普通じゃないのは分かってたけどさ。街の警察もマオと仲良くて、超常現象を黙認してくれてる設定エモすぎるッ!感情くん+5
Shichigatsu777
Sometimes I’ll bust out laughing at the most random things in anime like Mao putting that doll in Otoya’s mouth
まじでわかる!アニメの何気ないシーンで急に笑いが止まらなくなることあるよね笑 特にMAOが人形を音也の口に突っ込むとことかマジでウケたんだけど!やばくね!?ギャル+11
HotBloodedNinja
i feel like the priestess is also being used and she genuinely believes what she does is actually helping others.
巫女も利用されてるだけだと思うんだよね。彼女は自分のやってることが本当に人のためになってると信じてるんだろうな。普通くん+8
Frontier246
She did say "I will save all of them" when seemingly alone, so it doesn't seem like a scam as far as her genuine intentions.
確かに!彼女が一人で「全員救う」って言った場面、まじでエモすぎる。本気で信じてる感じが伝わってきて泣いた。感情くん+13
mekerpan
I wonder if Sogen is the person who is actually malevolent?
それな!独り言であれだけ「全員救う」って言ってるなら、まじで本気なんだろうしね〜。てか逆に創玄の方が実は悪者なんじゃね?って思うんだけど笑ギャル+11
CrimsonGear80
Where do people watch this early? Hulu doesnt put episodes up until 2:15pm
どこでそんな早く見てんだよw Huluは14:15までアップしないんだが笑wwwおじ+6
NoHead1715
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Ok, so the Byouki connection is pretty much confirmed. Young Nanoka most likely got pulled through the portal as the car passed by the gate and that's where Byouki was rampaging. Given the time distortion, I think the event might have happened too far in the past for any of the yokai interviewed to have known about. But the priestess' prediction of a coming fire seems too coincidental not to be the same fire. But the timeline would be very, very weird if it was the same fire, unless Nanoka travelled to a different point in time when she was younger.
Very interesting mystery.
病気との関連性はほぼ確定だね。若い七花が車で門を通りかかった時に異世界に引きずり込まれて、そこで病気が暴れてたんだろう。時間の歪みを考えると、インタビューした妖怪たちが知らないほど過去の出来事かもしれない。でも巫女が予言した火事が同じじゃないってのは偶然すぎる。ただ、同じ火事だとするとタイムラインがめちゃくちゃ変になるんだよな。七花が幼い頃に別の時間軸に飛ばされたってことになるし。
なかなか面白い謎だね。普通くん+6