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Suspicious-Resort216
Definitly not Ainz. I love the guy, but he knows he's not invincible, although the variables for his defeat are very extensive, he always moves with the assumption there might be someone out there that can fill the requirements.
絶対アインズじゃないわ。彼のこと好きだけど、自分が無敵だなんて思ってないよ。倒される可能性はめっちゃ低いけど、条件を満たせる奴がどこかにいるかもって前提でいつも動いてるからね。+47
MountainLeading1567
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~~pls don't actually powerscale, this post isn't about that~~ To defend ainz Overlord was never about him struggling physically in a confrontation He did have one cool fight with shalltear and >!Cure Elim to some extent if you count the spinoff!< However most cases has Ainz not struggling physically much as the story isn't about that but more on Ainz's insecurities but thats understandable In a physical fight however, Ainz always had the upper hand even in cases like the shalltear fight because of his great strategy and playing mind games with her along with variety of spells and equipment So even then, Ainz did feel pretty dominant to me since he was still controlling the battlefield pretty well and knew everything about shalltear's pvp data
~~お願いだから実際に強さ議論はやめて、このスレはその話じゃないから~~ アインズを擁護すると、 オーバーロードは彼が戦闘で物理的に苦戦する話じゃないんだよ。 シャルティアとのあのカッコいい戦いと、>!スピンオフも含めるならキュア・エリム戦もあるけど!< でもほとんどの場合、アインズは苦戦してない。+42
Top-Complaint-4915
Also Ainz struggle with Shallthear only because he did not use his troops or World Items. Power wise he only struggles by self imposing limitations, what otherwise would have been an easy fight.
それにアインズがシャルティアに苦戦したのは、配下やワールドアイテムを使わなかったからだよ。 強さ的には、自分で課した制限がなければ楽勝だった戦いでしか苦戦してない。+15
TheGodAssassin
Neither of those are self imposed limitations. The troops was explained as not viable from her pippette lance World items he just wouldn't want to use. Ainz is a huge hoarder
どっちも自分で課した制限じゃないぞ。 配下は彼女のピペットランスで無理だと説明されてたし、 ワールドアイテムは使いたくなかっただけ。アインズは大の溜め込み魔だ。+5
Top-Complaint-4915
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That was before Ainz knew she wouldn't attack until aggro. If he wasn't so focused on wanting to do it himself & not having them kill each other He may have noticed that it was perfectly reasonable to withdraw and prepare a full attack force to make a coordinate attack at the same time Using high level NPCs >World items he just wouldn't want to use. Ainz is a huge hoarder Still self-imposed by definition of "He wouldn't" Edit: wrong Word
それはアインズが、彼女が挑発されるまで攻撃しないと知る前の話だ。 もし彼が「自分でやりたい」「配下同士で殺し合わせたくない」ってのにこだわりすぎてなければ、 撤退して、準備万端の攻撃部隊で同時に連携攻撃を仕掛けるのが完全に合理的だと気づけたかもしれない。+5
Automatic-Ant-3700
He can just use other reusable world items like billion blad.
ビリオンブレイドみたいな再利用可能なワールドアイテムも使えるのに。+1
Mar_RedBaron
Nah, Ainz was dominant because of pay to win.
いや、アインズが優位だったのはペイトゥウィンのおかげだろ。+2
Great-Southern-Land
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From memory Ainz is more overly cautious and think he mentions he doesn't know what happens if his killed and if it's permanent as well as being cautious that there is another player out there that has the knowledge to do harm so goes in well over prepared. I have not read the LN and haven't seen all the other anime depicted here but as of yet Ainz is yet to lose. Hell he became the most powerful adventurer even if it's his opposite class.
記憶が正しければ、アインズは過度に慎重で、殺されたらどうなるか、永久的なのかもわからないって言ってたはず。それに、害をなす知識を持った別のプレイヤーがいるかもしれないって警戒して、必要以上に準備して挑むんだ。 俺はライトノベル読んでないし、見てないけど…+1
TCGeneral
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Ainz is definitely up there in terms of 'felt strong'. Light Novel Ainz felt a little stronger in the Shalltear fight specifically because we see him willingly forgo bringing his own self-resurrection item into the fight, meaning he's at least confident enough in the outcome to be that way about it and I'm pretty sure he mentions that his second plan was to escape if he ever felt actually in danger, but anime Ainz feels like he got lucky that Shalltear acted how he expected she would because his thoughts aren't explained as clearly. The other fight (in canon, Cure Elim is technically in a spinoff so I'm not counting it) that made Ainz look weaker in the moment was PDL's armor. On first watch/read, it looks like Ainz has to bow before PDL because he might be in danger and needs Albedo to save him, but then obviously it's revealed that it was Pandora's Actor and nof Ainz, so not a full power battle, not really. But I think it loops back around again to "in a fair fight, where PDL was using his actual body and Ainz was actually fighting, PDL would probably give Ainz a run for his money". Platinum Dragon Lord is one of the only living characters we know has killed/fought Players and lived. Cure Elim in the spinoff, and PDL in main canon, are both Dragon Lords that should theoretically be able to be at least around a Player's strength. The fourth thought, though, is that obviously Ainz would never give PDL a fair fight like he gave Cure Elim, because he has the resources of Nazarick at his side unlike in Vampire Princess, so there's still basically no way PDL actually threatens Ainz, but it is probably the closest match-up the series possibly presents that isn't more Nazarick in-fighting. All that to say. I think Ainz has consistently been dominant. Compare that to Tensura. Rimuru may or may not be stronger than Ainz, but compared to his own universe, he's constantly faced with threats that yet out-do him. Until way, way later in the Light Novel, Rimuru never isn't bei
「強そうに感じさせる」キャラとしては、アインズは間違いなく上位だな。ライトノベルのアインズは、特にシャルティア戦で少し強く感じられた。自分用の自動蘇生アイテムをあえて戦いに持ち込まないって描写があるから、少なくとも結果にそこまでの自信を持ってるってことだよ。+1
NIICCCKKK
I haven’t seen all of them but I have to say cautious hero, the anime’s whole shtick was “he was overpowered BEFORE training and STILL trains for everything”
全部見てるわけじゃないけど、「この勇者が俺TUEEEくせに慎重すぎる」は挙げたいわ。アニメのウリは「鍛える前から強すぎたのに、それでも何に対しても鍛える」ってとこだし。+40
lacegem
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Seiya's not exactly as overpowered as people (including Rista) usually think he is. He deals with fodder easily, but other times, he's only just strong enough to overcome the ridiculous crap because of his over-preparation. The point being that any other hero, who didn't take it as seriously as him (like he didn't the first time around, since his nature isn't one of caution), either wouldn't survive or be able to continue their mission. We see this in the latest (and potentially final cliffhanging) volume, where the greatest hero of all time fell to darkness because even he wasn't perfectly prepared. He spends the series terrified and rushing from one problem to the next out of that traumatic fear, using every possible means to protect everyone and ensure no one else has to die again. Sometimes it leads to OHKOs, sometimes he still ends up too weak and has to work himself to literal death to force an also-literal deus ex machina, because he's up against something no human, no matter how overpowered, can deal with. Even when the adventure is over, he goes home and spends the next year so afraid of being ready for the next time, if it ever happens at all, that he lives in body armor 24/7. Seiya isn't actually overpowered *or* cautious, which is the joke. And now I'm mad that we're probably never getting another volume. I liked that series.
セイヤはみんな(リスタも含めて)が思ってるほど無双キャラじゃないんだよ。雑魚は楽勝だけど、他の時は、あの異常な状況を乗り越えられるギリギリの強さしかない。それが彼の過剰な準備の賜物なんだ。要点は、彼ほど真剣に取り組まなかった他の勇者なら…ってことだ。+21
Great-Southern-Land
Cautious hero is honestly one of my favourites, it's so damn funny and that slime got me.
慎重勇者、マジでお気に入りの一つだわ。超面白いし、あのスライムにはやられた。+9
AlisenAsker
What do you mean bro literally got his wife and children killed
どういう意味だよニキ、彼マジで妻と子供を殺されちゃったじゃん+2
the_tygram
Ainz, Reinhard or Filo. In their worlds they are the strongest by magnifudes
アインズ、ラインハルト、フィーロだな。それぞれの世界で、桁違いに最強だ。+32
TheGodAssassin
Ainz isn't even the strongest in his group. Rubedo and Shalltear are both superior, he just outprepped Shalltear
アインズは自分のグループ内ですら最強じゃないぞ。ルベドとシャルティア・ブラッドフォールンの両方が上だ。シャルティアには準備で勝っただけ。+19
Automatic-Ant-3700
Ainz felt confident in surviving if all the guardian turn against him due to his inventory.He might pull cash shop items out of his ass.
アインズは、全守護者が反逆しても自分の持ち物で生き延びられると自信を持ってた。課金アイテムをいきなり出してくるかもって。+9
TheGodAssassin
Show when he said that, cuz he verbatim stated he doesn't even know if he can 1v1 Shalltear. Also he cannot beat Rubedo without a specific world item that would delete her from existence
彼がそう言ったシーン示してよ。だって彼、シャルティア・ブラッドフォールンに一対一で勝てるかどうかすらわからないって明確に言ってるから。 それに、ルベドには、彼女を存在ごと消去する特定のワールドアイテムなしじゃ勝てないし。+11
the_tygram
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This is more of a Schrodinger's situation. Until we know what his world item does he could be only as strong as he seems or he could be able to re-write reality. We really don't know for sure. We'll hopefully find out what his stomach orb does in the last 2 volumes. It has to be something pretty good if he's using it over any of the other world items he has access to. That said he is the ruler of both of those NPCs , as well as all of Nazarick. The only situation where he'd fight them is A.) if they get mind controlled, which won't happen again because they each have a world item now. B.) The guild member who created the NPC shows up and declares war on Ainz, which is basically guaranteed not to happen since so far everything points to none of them being sent to the new world. Since neither option can happen those NPCs can basically be listed as his assets, like his items and equipment. Which only secures his power even more.
これはもっとシュレーディンガー的な状況だな。彼のワールドアイテムが何をするかわかるまでは、見た目通りの強さかもしれないし、現実を書き換えられるかもしれない。本当のところはわからない。最後の2巻で、彼の腹のオーブが何なのか、ようやくわかるといいね。相当すごいものに違いない。+1
AlisenAsker
Disagree on rein
ラインハルトは違うと思う+2
Independent-Word-299
Reinhardt 100% Literal in universe plot armor, and immunity/counter/resistance/bs defense from EVERYTHING
ラインハルト一択 作中世界の理そのものの加護で、あらゆるものに対する免疫/反撃/耐性/超絶防御持ちだからな+24
levi_Kazama209
Shallow and rimurur are on a whole plane. Shallow is by defiition the last thing to exisr she cannot stop existing until then. Even if killed she will just be reborn. She can end universes as if nothing.
シャルロとリムルは次元が違う。シャルロは定義上最後に存在するものだから、その時が来るまで消滅し得ない。殺されてもただ再生するだけ。宇宙を無に帰すことさえ朝飯前だ。+7
AlisenAsker
Counterpoint he always makes the situation worse without help or shows up too late
反論:彼はいつも誰かの助けなしでは状況を悪化させるか、遅刻してくる+1
Nectarine_Complex
Nah even in his own universe he is countered by things like authorities. There are beings he can't defeat or kill although they can't kill or beat him either. He can't be the most op if there are abilities that can allow others to fight him to a standstill in his own verse.
いや、彼の世界ですら「権能」のようなものには対抗できない。倒せない・殺せない存在がいる(相手も彼を倒せないが)。自作品内で互角に戦える能力があるなら、最強OPとは言えないだろ。+1
Masterchief9494
the dude literally got one shot and died. he has the reverse of plot armor. everything he does leads to failure.
あいつ文字通り一撃で死んだぞ。逆プロットアーマーだ。何やっても失敗に終わる。+0
MemoKrosav
The answer is obviously Cid. In their own universe, Cid is unfairly overpowered.
答えはシードに決まってるだろ。彼の世界では不公平なくらい強すぎる。+11
IrinaNekotari
He's also the one that has pure fun while doing so
しかも純粋に楽しみながらやってるのが最高+2
AchmodinIVSWE
(Outside of Moonlit fantasy, Yuusha Shoukan, and Lvl2 cheat. Cause I have not seen them) I have to say Shadow. Cause he has not actually lost a fight nor struggled. Unlike the rest of the people. 2: Reinhard, tied 3rd: Seiya and Ainz 4th: Luphas, 5th: Rimuru Edit: thinking about it, Seiya is probably under Ainz. Cause Ainz's "struggles" have been performative.
(月光ファンタジー、勇者召喚、Lv2チートは見てないから除外で) シャドウだな。実際に負けたり苦戦したことないし。他の連中とは違う。2位:ラインハルト、同率3位:セイヤとアインズ、4位:ルファス、5位:リムル 編集:考えたらセイヤは多分…+9
Codee33
We haven’t even seen Shadow actually try in a fight yet, the only damage he takes is when he’s LARPing as Cid. It’s hilarious and epic.
シャドウが本気で戦ってる所はまだ一度も見たことないわ。ダメージを受けるのはシードを演じてる時だけ。草生えるし超かっこいい。+10
TemmieXdd
Up till where all the anime are now? Shadow. We never saw him have to actually try, while even Reinhardt had some battles that he was just stuck on.
アニメ化済みのとこまでなら? シャドウだな。彼が本気を出す必要に迫られた所は一度もない。ラインハルトですら手詰まりになった戦いはあったのに。+5
Bainar124
Shallow Vernal hands down. Perhaps it is just because I've read the web novel, but she is the god who created the world the entire story is set in, created her own other half (Kuromeina), and is a being whose unique power is to end anything. Literally that. End gods, end stories, end worlds, end universes.
迷わずシャルロ・ヴェルナル。ウェブ小説を読んだからかもしれんが、彼女は物語の舞台となる世界を創造した神で、自らの半身(クロメイナ)を創り出し、あらゆるものを「終わらせる」ことを唯一の能力とする存在だ。文字通り。神も、物語も、世界も、宇宙も終わらせる。+6
RemyisGrievous
Over lord had very set rules as to why you can't beat them. Your not high enough level to even hurt me, like LITERALLY LAWS OF NATURE OF THIS WORLD LITERALLY WON'T LET YOU. Idk how you get more op the that
オーバーロードは「なぜ倒せないか」のルールが超明確。「レベルが足りないからダメージを与えられない」って、文字通り世界の法則がそれを許さないんだぞ。それ以上にOPってどうすりゃいいんだ+2
Kalekuda
Ains is, himself, *subject to those very same rules*. He cannot return to his world (not that he'd want to). Rimiru eventually becomes powerful enough to do just that.
アインズ自身も、その同じルールに縛られてる。元の世界には戻れない(戻りたいとは思ってないが)。リムルは最終的にはそのルールすら超越する強さになる。+2
TiffanyGaming
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# Actual pick: [Yogiri Takatou](https://instant-death.fandom.com/wiki/Yogiri_Takatou#Abilities) from My Instant Death Ability is So Overpowered, No One in This Other World Stands a Chance Against Me! The anime name is not hyperbole. Check out his wiki article I linked. It's complete and utter bullshit, dude. Anyone even **thinks** about killing him? They **end**. Not even die. End. He *wants* to kill someone? They end. Doesn't matter if it's some rando, a god, or higher dimensional entity. Yogiri's true form is the very nonexistence that represents the end of all things, something that no one could ever hope to surpass, and the final destination of all fate of which there is nothing beyond. Someone orders someone else to try to kill him? They end too, lmao. He can kill concepts like momentum, or someone's arm, legs, their ability to breathe, etc. # This list: No anime? I sleep. Haven't read the Yuusha Shoukan manga/LN, cannot comment. Hm, let's see... Rimuru early on nearly died >!`vs Hinata's dead end rainbow`!<. Later on he's basically god. Makoto Misumi lost some fingies. Ends up pretty busted but is far from invincible. Ainz nearly died >!`vs Shalltear.`!< And Satoru (other Ainz from the Bonus Volume) vs >!`Cure Elim Los Malvar`!<. Though pretty oppressive vs the New Worlders for the most part. Shadow is kind of designed to be broken as an isekai meme anime. He did get seriously injured at a few points though. Luphas Mafahl is pretty busted from the start and only gets more busted. Reinhard is like the author's utter bullshit character. Though I think he can die in some loops..? Could be wrong. Cautious Hero has to do tons of preparation all the time. Lv 2 Cheat.... I don't remember to be perfectly honest. I did see it, rated it a 7. Though I do recall her getting absolutely shit on. So she's straight down to the bottom of the list. Gonna go with Luphas with **this list**.
# 真の回答: 『即死チートが最強すぎて、異世界のやつらがまるで相手にならないんですが。』の[夜霧](https://instant-death.fandom.com/wiki/Yogiri_Takatou#Abilities) アニメタイトルは誇張じゃない。リンク先のwiki見てみ。完全にぶっ壊れてる※「即死チートが最強すぎて、異世界のやつらがまるで相手にならないんですが。」は原作小説のタイトル。アニメ版の邦題は「即死チートが最強すぎて、異世界のやつらがまるで相手にならないんですが。」で同一。+2
Stunning_Score_9167
The only injury shadow get or when he let himself get hit and only while he plays as cid
シャドウが負傷するのは、わざと攻撃を喰らった時だけ。しかもシードとして演じてる時のみ。+1
TiffanyGaming
Perhaps, but even if he "moves his organs" there's still swords going through him. So that's a knock on being "invincible" to me. Invincible is like Clementine attacking Ainz, just an absolute oppressive monster you can do nothing against.
確かに「内臓を動かす」とは言え、剣が体を貫通してるわけでしょ。それは「無敵」って点ではマイナスだと思う。真の無敵って、クレメンティーヌがアインズを攻撃した時みたいに、絶対的な圧倒感で何もできない状態のことだ。+0
TurbulentWave51
reinhard easy
ラインハルトで決まり+1
Kalekuda
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Reinhart has whatever protection the world deems he requires to *survive*, but only to a point. Eventually the world itself will tire of him and his protections will be passed on to the next sword bearer. The world rarely gave him the insight he required to face his adversaries- that knowledge came from allies and spirits if at all. Thats why he struggled with the cult so direly. He is "powerful" without being capable of resolving the problems he faces alone, and despite possessing "all the powers", the quality of the protections he has are quite a bit lower than the authorities he fights. He's still comedically powerful, though. He's the ultimate hammer in a world in dire need of sutures. Of the people in this roster, it kind of has to go to Rimiru by default. Great Sage + Gluttony is an exponential power increasing set of skills to be born with, and he ends his story by guren-lagan style becoming the deity of the new universe and reviving himself in his old world from what people have posted in the past. Having had Veldora in his pocket this whole time also made all conflicts mute...
ラインハルトは「生き延びる」ために必要な保護は世界が与えてくれるが、それにも限界がある。いずれ世界自体が彼に倦み、加護は次の剣聖に引き継がれる。世界が敵に対処するための洞察力を与えることは稀で、それは彼自身が獲得した知識だ。+2
「不公平な戦い」の定義は作品によって異なり、純粋な戦闘力だけでなく、準備、世界の理、そしてキャラクターの本質までを含めた多角的な議論が展開されました。