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Fun-Repair-2137
Well considering gazelf considers a death knight a extremely formidable foe and hamsuke regularly trains wkth death Knights it'll be a hard fight. It would probably matter if its a wild one or one owned by ainz
ガゼフ・ストロノーフがデスナイトを極めて強敵と考えてる一方で、ハムスケはデスナイトと日常的にトレーニングしてるから厳しい戦いになるわな。野生かアインズ所有かでも結果は変わりそうだけど。+413
Mikail33
2 v 1 they clear comfortably though. 1 v 1 Hamsuke beats any of them.
2対1なら余裕で勝てるよ。 1対1ならハムスケが全員倒す。+187
LikeLary
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2 v 1 would be hard but not impossible. Hamsuke is probably around level 35 right now. Both Gazef and Brain specialize in fighting humans. Brain especially, his trump card requires him to stay still. Hamsuke can attack from distance. Adventurers are better suited to take on monsters like her. 2 adventurers on Gazef and Brain's level would have a higher chance. Although, Gazef's treasures could easily change that outcome. Especially the +5 level ring. Also Brain leveled up, at least a couple levels, we don't know which Brain OP talks about.
2対1は厳しいけど不可能じゃない。ハムスケは今だいたいレベル35くらいだと思う。ガゼフもブレイン・アングラウスも人間との戦いが専門だし。特にブレイン・アングラウスの奥の手は動けなくなるし。ハムスケは遠距離攻撃できるんだよ。 冒険者の方がハムスケみたいな魔物との戦いに適してる。2人いれば…+115
clxb_miist
Wait Hamuske is a girl? This whole time i thought she was a boy. That's crazy man
待って、ハムスケってメスなの！？ずっとオスだと思ってたわ。マジで驚いた。+2
Acrobatic_Analyst267
Can’t PEAK Brain 1v1 Hamsuke? He was quite formidable in his own right when he stood against Kokitus
ブレイン・アングラウスが1対1でハムスケに勝てないってマジ？コキュートスと対峙した時はかなり強かったじゃん。+3
_Its_Me_Dio_
does that include armored trained hamsuke
それって防具着けて訓練済みのハムスケも含むの？+1
Ravenous-King
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If I remember correctly Ainz Level Down the Death Knight, to see if it can Level UP. When Ainz stated it couldn’t, Hamsuke beg him not to kill the Death Knight for failing to Level UP. Also, during the Two Leaders story arc, Ainz stated of all the people he met only Gazef and Clementine is strong enough to kill Hamsuke. Keep in mind at this point of time Ainz haven’t met the members of the Blue Rose, and Ainz is completely unaware of Gazef’s national treasure gears.
確かアインズはデスナイトをレベルダウンさせて、レベルアップできるか試してたよ。アインズが「できない」って言った時、ハムスケはレベルアップできなかったからってデスナイトを殺さないでって哀願してた。 それと、二人のリーダー編でアインズが言ってたけど、会った中で強いのはガゼフ・ストロノーフとクレメンティーヌだけだって※「二人のリーダー編」は、小説10巻及びアニメ3期後半の「王国好漢編」における、ガゼフとブレインがそれぞれの道を歩む物語を指す海外ファンの呼称です。+28
Fun-Repair-2137
Fair point I didn't consider that
確かにその点は考えてなかったわ。ごもっとも。+8
skullphantom199
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A thing to keep in mind is when you say training with, we never see them fighting against each other in a mock battle of any kind nor is it stated that they do in the LN. what we do see is Hamsuke and the death knight taking practice swings side by side. If i remember correctly the new world considers the "realm of heroes" around lv30ish and other characters have stated that gazef "has one foot in the realm of heroes" we can assume he's around the mid 20's low 30's, and we know brain is also the same level as gazef but has 1 level in chef(which is why he hasn't won in their fights). We then consider that Hamsuke is considered a legendary creature by new world standards, she should also be around the 30-40 level range, the two of them should be able to handle, though it will be a hard fight. And to address another point Erya Uzruth was stated to be around their level from a few years ago during the invaders ark, though erroneously assumed to be stronger than brain. He realistically wasn't that stong since we've seen how he fights when going against stonger foes by having the elves buff him to become stronger.
考えておくべきは「トレーニングしてる」って言っても、小説で模擬戦をしてる描写も言及もないんだよね。見えるのはハムスケとデスナイトが並んで素振りしてるシーンだけ。確かニューワールドでは…+2
DazSamueru
Finally, an Overlord powerscaling discussion where it's actually pretty evenly matched.
ようやく実力が拮抗してるオーバーロードの強さ議論が出てきたな。+168
plskillmeplsdoit
Its so sad bru, gazef and brain in my like top 5 favs, but every match they either neg or get negged 😭
悲しいわ…ガゼフ・ストロノーフとブレイン・アングラウスは俺の好きなキャラトップ5なのに、対戦議論じゃいつも瞬殺するかされるかだ😭+44
Napalmeon
At the same time? Or individually. With the Kingdom Treasures, Gazef can win.
同時にか？個別にか？ 王国の秘宝があれば、ガゼフ・ストロノーフは勝てる。+105
Maxsmack
Think one good “six fold slash of light” or “true nail clipper”, coming from razor’s edge, would one shot hamuske It’s the sword doing most of the heavily lifting in that interaction. If It’s got enough data to damage Ainz, hamuske should be light work for it
「六光連斬」か「真・爪斬り」をレイザーエッジでぶちかませば、ハムスケは一撃で倒せると思うぞ。 あの戦いで重労働してるのはほとんど剣の性能だ。アインズにダメージを与えるだけのデータが蓄積されてるなら、ハムスケなんて軽い仕事だろ。+42
xX_idk_lol_Xx
The sword isn't powerful enough to damage Ains conventionally, it just has a property that lets it completely bypass his defenses.
レイザーエッジは通常手段でアインズにダメージを与えられるほど強力じゃない。あの剣は防御を完全に無視する特性を持ってるだけ。+66
Jaesuz
Are the properties of Razor Edge ever fully explained? It can bypass his defenses and he was curious if it could damage his WCI, but did I miss a part where it goes into more detail about its effects?
レイザーエッジの特性って詳しく説明されたっけ？防御を無視できるし、アインズはワールドアイテムにもダメージ与えられるか気にしてたけど、効果についてもっと詳しく書かれた部分を見逃したかな？+16
Maxsmack
Hmm, I haven’t gotten there in my reading of the light novels, so I only know that scene from the anime. Thanks for the correction
うーん、ライトノベルでそこまで読んでないから、アニメのそのシーンしか知らないんだ。修正ありがとう。+4
catperson77789
Yep and it dealt like only one damage lol.
そうそう、しかもダメージは1だけだったしな w/草+4
MrMellons
I have never seen Hamsuke bleed so...
ハムスケが出血してるの見たことないんだけど…+35
Boring_Jellyfish283
Brain has a good shot at beating hamuske with his true nail clipper, ill say he beats Hamuske most of the time. Gazef loses unless he has the 5 kingdom treasures
ブレイン・アングラウスなら真・爪斬りでハムスケに勝てる可能性は十分ある。多分、ほとんどの場合ブレイン・アングラウスが勝つと思う。 ガゼフ・ストロノーフは王国の秘宝5つがなければ負ける。+29
Shadowhearts
Right, people don't seem to understand Brain temporarily got a 10 level boost in terms of power unleashing True Nail Clipper with his martial arts. Brain vastly surpassed Gazef in his last moments vs Cochytus.
そうそう。みんな理解してないみたいだけど、ブレイン・アングラウスは武技「真・爪斬り」を発動した時、一時的にパワーで10レベル分くらいブーストしてたんだよ。 コキュートス戦の最後、ブレイン・アングラウスはガゼフ・ストロノーフを遥かに超えてた。+31
IHateAhriPlayers
You're saying the potions he drank with ability boost/greater equated to 10 extra levels?
あのポーション（能力強化＆上位）で飲んだ分、レベル10相当の上乗せってこと？+3
Shadowhearts
True Nail Clipper is quite literally a fusion ability combining 3 different Martial Arts: Field, God Flash, and Sixfold Slashes of Light. It basically gives Brain an attack power of 10 levels above. The modifier on it is that high.
真・爪斬りって文字通り3つの武技「領域」「神閃」「六光連斬」の融合技なんだよな。つまりブレイン・アングラウスに実質レベル10分以上の攻撃力を与えてるわけ。それだけ効果でかい。+10
Evening_Ad381
True Nail Clipper is not strong enough to one shot Hamsuke. Brain will die a few seconds later due to the side effect.
真・爪斬りはハムスケを一撃で倒せるほど強くない。ブレイン・アングラウスは数秒後に副作用で死ぬ。+2
That-Anything7867
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Taking what little information we have on hand, we have the following: Hamsuke has learned some martial arts as seen in the Tomb Raider arc, plus her training with Mr Death Knight and not to mention the Death Orb, which may or may not have formed some sort of symbiotic relationship with her, putting her well above level 30+, maybe even 35? Gazef barely made it to level 30, but if he has the Kingdom's Treasures he might be able to match up to Hamsuke, but barely. Brain has been shown to have broken his Limits in his last fight with Cocytus and having achieved his Finger Nail Cutter style, he might be on a similar scale as Gazef too. However, we must take into account that as heteromorphs generally have higher base stats than humans, this means Hamsuke may very well beat the two on stats alone. Plus, we have never actually seen her lose, or even bleed, with her hide being particularly tough. So, in conclusion, its gonna be a tough fight, but I have a feeling Hamsuke might come out on top. She could very well be hurt, but I don't think she will lose.
手持ちのわずかな情報からすると、こうなる： ハムスケは墓荒らし編でいくつか武技を習得してるし、デスナイトさんとの修行もある。それにデスオーブのことも忘れちゃいけない。あれ、彼女と何らかの共生関係を築いてるかもしれないし、その分…+10
caniuserealname
In an individual 1v1, I think both could at their respective peaks. Gazef with his fully equipped sacred treasures and brain with his overstacked martial arts and potions. I don't think it would necessarily be easy for either, Gazef is still in a tough level position and Brains boost is *incredibly* temporary. But they have the capacity to win
真剣勝負なら、それぞれがピークの状態（ガゼフ・ストロノーフは神器フル装備、ブレイン・アングラウスは武技とポーションでオーバーストック）なら互角だと思う。 どちらも楽には勝てないよ。ガゼフ・ストロノーフのレベル的にはまだ厳しいし、ブレイン・アングラウスの強化は*とんでもない*し。+9
Hebo-5494
Siempre me pregunte porque le daban tanta importancia a gazef en el anime, habian muchas comparaciones de su lvl de poder, pero le ganaban fácilmente después
アニメでなんでガゼフ・ストロノーフがあんなに重要視されてるのかいつも疑問だったわ。強さのレベル比較はたくさんあったけど、結局あっさり負けちゃうし。 ※「Siempre me pregunte...」はスペイン語のコメントです。内容を翻訳し、自然な日本語の語尾に調整しました。+1
JetPhantom
Likely because in other fantasy anime, Gazef would be the last line of defense in a siege, or a prolific 'problem solver'. Just his existence alone made the Empire reluctant to do high commitment attacks. Having him get rug pulled sets the tone about how vulnerable everyone truly is.
多分、他のファンタジーアニメだったら、ガゼフ・ストロノーフは防衛線の最後の砦とか、有能な「問題解決者」ってポジションだからじゃない？彼がいるだけで帝国も本格的な攻撃を躊躇うほどだった。そんな彼が一蹴されちゃうことで、この世界の誰もが本当は無力だってトーンを設定してるんだよ。+1
Hebo-5494
Como se llaman?
彼女たちの名前って何だっけ？※「Como se llaman?」はスペイン語で「彼女たちの名前は何ですか？」という意味です。文脈から「ティアとティナ」を指していると判断し、訳出しました。+1
ガゼフとブレインの連携か、ハムスケの圧倒的な耐久力か、海外ファンたちの間でも意見が真っ二つに分かれる、非常に拮抗したマッチアップとなっています。