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2026.3.30 r/ChainsawMan
『チェンソーマン』第2部が完結し、ファンの間では作品全体の評価を巡る議論が活発化しています。その中で、第1部にあった「オーラ」や重みが第2部には欠けているという意見がRedditで大きな話題となりました。
+5972
I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thought about this, but I need to get it off my chest. I feel like part 2 has no Aura. The aura I'm talking about here is the sense of weight, dread, or crisis a character or panel carries.…
I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thought about this, but I need to get it off my chest. I feel like part 2 has no Aura. The aura I'm talking about here is the sense of weight, dread, or crisis a character or panel carries.
For example, the appearance of Darkness Devil. We all know this panel, to this day it stand as one of the most memorable and iconic panels from the manga. And it really made you feel small in comparison to the world of Chainsaw Man. Darkness Devil, Gun Devil, and Makima; these are beings with incomprehensible powers and are treated as such.
Part 2, on the other hand, we meet more of the primal fear devils like Falling and Aging. We even meet more of the horsemen like Fami and Lil D. But I feel like they just have none of the aura that Darkness and Makima have. If I ever came face to face with Darkness or Gun Devil, I would shit my pants, and I miss that moment of shitting my pants. Yey I can't say the same with Falling or Lil D.
And it's not just on the big moments either, even a small moment like Kishibe and Yoshida blindfolding their own eyes, a random shot of Makima's henchmen, Santa sacrificing children. Even these small panels and moments carry a sense of eeriness and convey that message of "This is a crazy world and you are nothing inside it".
And you know what, I get it. Part 2 has different themes and such; maybe Fujimoto wants to explore different narratives. But I can't shake the feeling that Fujimoto has changed his approach on how he treats the world and instead, relies more on spectacle and bombastic moments than a deep and thoughtful approach.
There are some hype and good moments in part 2, like that panel of gun devil emerging from the statue of liberty, but at the end of the day, it ends up as just another spectacle and it didn't quite fill me with the same amount of dread and mystique as part 1 has. To which I'm not a fan and I deeply miss the eeriness and aura of part 1
これ俺だけかもだけど、どうしても言わせて。パート2には「オーラ」が感じられないんだよ。ここで言うオーラってのは、キャラやコマが放つ「重み」とか「恐怖感」、「危機感」みたいなもの。
例えば、闇の悪魔の登場シーン。あのコマ、今でも漫画史上で最も印象的で象徴的なシーンの一つだよね。チェンソーマンの世界観の中で、自分がちっぽけに感じられるあの感覚。闇の悪魔、銃の悪魔、マキマ——これらは理解を超えた力を持つ存在として描かれてた。
一方パート2では、落下の悪魔や老化の悪魔みたいな根源的恐怖の悪魔や、ファミやリルDみたいな四騎士も出てくるけど、彼らには闇の悪魔やマキマのようなオーラが全然ない気がする。もし闇の悪魔や銃の悪魔と直面したら、確実に漏らすわ。あの「漏らしそうな瞬間」が恋しいんだよ。でも落下やリルDに対しては同じこと言えない。
しかもこれは大きなシーンだけじゃなくて、小さな描写でもそう。キシベとヨシダが目隠しするシーンとか、マキマの手下たちの何気ないショット、サンタが子供を犠牲にする場面——こういう小さなコマや瞬間でさえ、不気味さを感じさせて「この世界は狂ってて、お前なんて無力だ」ってメッセージを伝えてた。
まあ分かるよ。パート2はテーマが違うし、藤本タツキが別の物語を探求したいのかもしれない。でもどうしても、藤本の世界への向き合い方が変わって、深みや思索的なアプローチより、派手で衝撃的な瞬間に頼るようになった気がしてならないんだよね。
パート2にも盛り上がるシーンはあるよ、自由の女神から銃の悪魔が現れるコマとか。でも結局、それは単なる「見せ場」で終わっちゃって、パート1のような恐怖感や神秘感で満たされることはなかった。個人的には好きじゃないし、パート1の不気味さとオーラがすごく恋しい。
Gregariouswaty

You think Penguin has no aura?
ペンギンにオーラないってマジ?w
+3740
reworked_nutjob

Youre goddamn right. OP has to post an apology or he gets 3 big booms
マジ正論。OPは謝罪文書くか、さもなくば3発の大爆発を食らうで
+1055
DependentNo1079
I have seen the error of my ways, I sincerely apologize. Thank you for pointing it out, Hail the Penguin!!
己が過ちを悟った。心より謝罪する。指摘感謝。ペンギン万歳!!
+354
Jpriest09

But what about Gooba?
でもグーバはどうなん?
+116
Consistent-End-3450

OrinocoHaram
genuinely brilliant writing/artwork. The faces, the comic timing, the reveal of the wide shot
これマジで神脚本/神作画やん。表情、コメディの間、ワイドショットへの展開が全て完璧
+84
MegaCornucopia

Hang on I am mad too but lets not cast with too wide a net here.
待て待て、俺もムカつくけど、網を広げすぎるのはよくないで
+2204
Consistent-End-3450

StatisticianJolly388

Consistent-End-3450

SnooMacaroons5889
I know it's supposed to be read
"Come back to mother... Tank. Gun."
But
"Tank. Gun. Come back to mother..." sounds so much cooler
「母のもとへ戻れ…戦車。銃。」って読むんだろうけど、「戦車。銃。母のもとへ戻れ…」の方がカッコよすぎる
+191
javaTHEbeat
one of my favorite CSM panels
チェンソマンの好きなコマの一つやでこれ
+84
JadedAlready
it feels like people are coming out of the woodwork to shit over all of part 2 lately now that they're "justified cause the ending was shit"
最近パート2全般をdisるやつが湧いてるよな。「結末がクソだから正当化された」みたいなノリで
+459
AskWhatmyUsernameIs
I mean, it was objectively worse than Part 1. The ending just solidified that "Oh, he isn't bringing this back."
つまり、客観的にパート1より劣ってた。結末で「ああ、これは挽回できねえや」って確信しちゃっただけ
+76
Jammy2560
im gonna use the words devil to seal shut the mouths of anyone who uses "objectively" incorrectly oml
「客観的に」を誤用する奴らの口を、悪魔の言葉で封じるわマジで
+246
Lefaa777

Like, bro…
+273
Brent_k
This page has insaaaaane aura.. but it unfortunately didn’t amount to literally anything, so disappointing
このページのオーラやばすぎ…けど結局何も起こらんかったからガッカリやわ
+92
JarOfNibbles

Nah.
It doesn't quite have an equivalent to the darkness devil entrance but like, cmon.
+1946
bored-cookie22
Was just about to mention this
An entire apartment complex of people randomly deciding to kill themselves because of falling arriving is creepy as fuck
今まさにそれ言おうとした
+417
N1gHtMaRe99
That's just a different level man. To this day one of the best manga panels I've ever read
これ次元違うわ…今でも俺が読んだ中で最高の漫画コマの一つだ
+233
Unreeeal05
That's definitely cool, but I struggle to find pages as iconic as the absolute art in part 1.
確かにカッコいいけど、パート1のあの絶対的な画力の象徴的なページには敵わないと思う
+104
Practical_Quit_3248
Part 1 had better art, that’s also a factor
Part 2 has a lot of aura, but the highest peaks are def in part 1(Darkness Devil aura-farmed SO hard, that people still put him as Top 1 of the verse)
パート1の方が画が上だよ、それも一因だね
+102
Nastra
This aura conversation reminds me of when I was a taco bell waiting for my order while a man was yelling at the cashier lady that the food was taking too long. At the same time, I was reading Pochita killing Kobeni's family for being dogshit to her at the burger joint.
That feeling of art and reality combining will live with me forever.
このオーラの話聞いて思い出したんだけど、タコベルで注文待ってたら、男が店員に「飯遅すぎる!」って怒鳴ってて。その間ずっと、俺はポチタがコベニの家族をブッ殺すとこ読んでたんだ。あのバーガーショップでコベニにクソみたいなことしたからな。
+1576
Rude_Rough8323
I don't think that was Kobeni's family. The restaurant was just named "Family Burger"
あれコベニの家族じゃないでしょ。店の名前が「ファミリーバーガー」だっただけだよ
+511
Nastra
They probably told her "Now that you're hired your family."
多分雇う時に「これであなたも家族です」って言ったんだよ
+242
Hot_Visit4726
"Family?" "B-because, uhm, you're working at Family Burger now." "Oh yeah."
「家族?」「え、えっと…だって今ファミリーバーガーで働いてるから」「あ、そっか」
+110
Nameless_Scarf
"As a member of the family, you don't mind taking on a few hours of unpaid overtime, right?"
「家族の一員として、ちょっとの無給残業ならいいよね?」
+106
void-572
Falling devil entrance was aura
落下の悪魔登場シーンのオーラやばかった
+1510
Packrat1010
I'd argue part 2 did have points like this, it just failed to follow up on it. Off the top of my head, Statue of Liberty gun, Come to Mother Tank/Gun, Death Devil reveal.
It just doesn't do enough with those moments.
パート2にもこういう瞬間はあったと思うよ、ただその後が続かなかっただけ。とりあえず、自由の女神銃、母ちゃんに会えタンク/銃、死の悪魔登場とか。
+311
TheInternetDevil
Death devil reveal was lame as hell when it comes to aura. It was just a high school girl.
死の悪魔登場時のオーラはクソダサかったわ。ただの女子高生じゃん。
+88
Brillian_Naufal

Hey cut her some slack. She wants to do the festival.
ちょっと待ってよ彼女。学祭やりたかっただけなんだから。
+79
Chilling_Gale
Except Fuji then made the character comedic
ただその後フジがそのキャラをコメディ扱いしちゃったけどな
+233
beszczu
Yes, but falling devil was both comedic and iconic. One of my favourite devil designs tbh
そうだけど、落下の悪魔はコメディでありつつも象徴的だった。個人的に好きな悪魔デザインの一つだわ
+197
LordGOATfrey

Not as much aura as Makima but there’s LOADS of Yoru panels that went viral for their aura ✌️
マキマほどじゃないけど、ヨルのオーラでバズったコマめっちゃあるよ✌️
+1479
crimson_55
Also the apartment sword panel was super hype
あとアパートの剣のコマも超盛り上がったし!
+273
Grouchy-Berry-842
And the Statue of Liberty panel!
自由の女神のコマも!
+118
Confident-Estate-538

>>>>
+844
tonywolf1997
FUCK BAREM
バレム氏ね
+163
Oogahound

Hardcore-Seeker

Mfs will look at you dead in the eyes and tell you that the ENTIRE fight of Yoru vs Pochita in Aging Arc wasn't heat
This P2 hate is genuinely forced
マジでこいつら、ヨル対ポチタのエイジング編の戦闘全部が熱くなかったって言い切るのなw このP2ヘイト完全に無理矢理だわ
+506
Whosthatgiye
We're at the "actually this thing was never good" part of the hate train
アンチトレインが「実はこれ最初からクソだった」フェーズに来たな
+263
That_badman
Give it a few months and we’ll be at the “maybe it wasn’t as horrible as we thought stage”
あと数ヶ月もすれば「思ってたほど酷くはなかったかも」ステージに移行するよ
+88
Zoinks_96

The gall to say part 2 has no aura when this mf exist
P2にオーラないとかよく言えるわ、このニキが存在してるのに
+497
Shootyy

Shootyy

PapaRads

tan_ink

TheGivenKing

I get P2 wasnt the best received but like come on, now were just lying.
This had the entire community hyped when it released (even if the pay out was a bit underwhelming)
P2の評価が最高じゃなかったのは分かるけどさ、流石に今はただの嘘つきだろ。
+158
Enough_Ordinary7291

People here forgot the best chapter in the whole manga, no powers, just straight hands
+131
Longjumping-Dig-4079
原文
Part 2 is weaker than part 1 but, using your concept of aura, I do think that part 2 has those moments, like In the aging devil arc when That old man was going to sacrifice I don't know how many orphaned children, and there's a panel of the children being taken away to be killed (I'm saying about this scene bcz the 6 image remembered me of it), and there are others that give this feeling of "you're nothing in this world" like when the eternal battle started and everyone was "dying", or after th
P2はP1より弱いけど、オーラの概念で言えばP2にもそういう瞬間はあったと思う、例えばエイジング悪魔編で老人が孤児を何人も犠牲にしようとしてた時、連れ去られる子供たちのコマ(あれについて言ってる)
+123
Rasa_Matii

It has too much, actually.
むしろ多すぎるわ、実際。
+125
smelfclimps
if we want to define aura by dread and mystique and not sheer aesthetic then i still think this panel is cold ashit
+123
quwiwup

While it does have less aura, there were some insane panels in Part 2. Part 2 made me realize the sole reason I followed the entire manga was Pochita hard carried it for me.
オーラは少ないかもだけど、P2にも狂ったようなコマはあったよ。P2で気付いたけど、俺がこの漫画を追い続けた唯一の理由はポチタが全部引っ張ってくれてたからだわ。
+102
the_danmin

While I agree that the primals were somewhat of a let-down in part 2, it was far from auraless
原始悪魔がP2ではちょっと期待外れだったのは同意するけど、オーラが無かったとは程遠い
+80
GOOPREALM5000

Nah son Part 2 has aura out the fucking ass. Sit your ass down boy.
いやいやニキ、P2はケツの穴からオーラ漏れ出てるわ。大人しく座ってなよ。
+77
PluckyAurora
Oh we are in the rewriting history stage now. Just because you didn’t like the ending doesn’t mean you should retroactively go back and say actually part 2 was all bad.
おっと、歴史改竄ステージに来たか。結末が気に入らなかったからって、さかのぼって「実はP2全部クソだった」って言い出すなよ。
+65
StevePensando
The moment we lost the suits we lost the plot
スーツが消えた瞬間、話も失ったんだよな
+68
2026.3.30 r/ChainsawMan
アニメ制作を手掛けるMAPPAが、チェンソーマンのアニメーション制作に情熱を注いでいる様子をSNSで発信。ファンからは驚きと称賛の声が上がっています。
+3620

[https://x.com/AniTVOfficial/status/2038748004455252177](https://x.com/AniTVOfficial/status/2038748004455252177)…
[https://x.com/AniTVOfficial/status/2038748004455252177](https://x.com/AniTVOfficial/status/2038748004455252177)
[https://x.com/AniTVOfficial/status/2038693200609546391](https://x.com/AniTVOfficial/status/2038693200609546391)
Jomotaku
Thank you Mappa animator.
MAPPAのアニメーターさんありがとう
+1617
Fluid_Primary_2285
Mappa animator?
MAPPAのアニメーター?
+933
Jomotaku
Because u were animating. For Mappa..
お前がアニメ作ってたからやん…MAPPAで…
+1100
Kuso_Megane14
I'm gonna be honest,
正直に言うと、
+313
Rigar_
That’s John Mappa
そいつはジョン・MAPPAや
+49
Western_Lion_8808
John mappa?
ジョン・MAPPA?
+6
Bitch_for_rent
because you own mappa
お前がMAPPAのオーナーやからや
+6
No-Bat8061
Mappa MANIMATOR
MAPPAのアニメーターさん
+6
itsmarthai
Hard to trust a CEO but bro if the success of the Reze movie legit fixes the conditions of MAPPA's workers and thus puts pressure on the industry as a whole to improve... peak comrade shit 💗
CEOは信用ならんけどニキ、もしレゼ映画の成功でマジでMAPPAの労働環境が改善して、業界全体が良くなる圧力になったら…最高の同志やんけ💗
+1064
Ok_Substance5632
Everyone got one extra pizza slice
全員ピザ一切れ追加
+350
itsmarthai
And one hour birthday, sick, parental, or bereavement leave per year!
あと年に1時間の誕生日・病気・親の看護・葬儀休暇も!
+115
LordRatini777
You *will* be shamed and mistreated if you use it tho. But it's nice that you have it!
使ったら恥かかされて虐待されるけどな!でもあるのはええことや
+25
XxuruzxX
That they will be guilt tripped and gaslit into not taking
結局罪悪感植えつけられてガスライトされて、取れなくなるんやろな
+2
imacuntsag420
You think he watches a little bit of the anime Mappa makes like how the mcdonalds ceo takes a little bite of the arch burger.
マクドナルドCEOがアーチバーガーを一口かじるみたいに、彼もMAPPAのアニメをちょっと観てるんかな
+81
Known-Exercise7234
That would be so funny if he did.
それマジでウケるわ
+32
bravelittlebuttbuddy
原文
This specific CEO was saying that his whole approach was about making his employees comfortable *while said employees were actively dying working on multiple series.*
If anything happens at all, it'll be surface level changes that won't even last.
We've seen this exact thing before in many industries. Something is shit, either with the company's labor practices, or with their product, or with their impact on the environment, etc.
The CEO publicly tells everyone they're going to do better. (
このCEO、従業員が複数のシリーズで働きながら死にかけてる時に、「従業員を快適にするのが俺のアプローチ」とかほざいてたんだよな
+59
itsmarthai
😞😞 man, here i was feeding the hope devil just because i hoped japanese companies might work somewhat differently while fully forgetting it's all capitalism and i literally know japanese companies due to the deeply ingrained hierarchical society traditions, often get away with even more horrifying stuff than we're used to in the West
😞😞 ちー、希望の悪魔に餌やっちまったわ。日本の会社は少しは違うかもって思ったのに、全部資本主義なの完全に忘れてた。それに日本の会社って階層社会の伝統が根強くて、むしろもっと酷いことしても逃げおおせるっての知ってるのに…
+17
Bruhchita
原文
Another commenter is wrong. Kinda. Since the 2024 and management changes after JJK s2 problems, many Mappa shows were finished before the release (Lazarus, Ranma, Zenshu, Dorohedoro s2, CSM movie of course) and animators actually said that conditions are better. JJK s3 had almost two years of production, and some people like Hakuyu Go returned to work on the show. Also Mappa moved main studio in 2024, new office and tools
他のコメ主はちょっと違う。2024年と呪術2期後の経営陣変更で、多くのMAPPA作品は放送前に完成してる(ラザロ、らんま、全修、ドロヘドロ2期、チェンソ映画はもちろん)。アニメーターも環境は良くなったと言ってる。呪術3期は制作に2年近くかかってる
+15
Unique_Suit3789
Many Japanese companies and especially animation studios have SIGNIFICANTLY worse conditions then American. They just are allowed to get away with much worse due to the government not caring.
多くの日本企業、特にアニメスタジオはアメリカより**はるかに**劣悪な環境や。政府が無関税だから、もっと酷いことしても許されちまうんよ。
+3
Bruhchita
原文
The changes are already noticeable if you actually follow the studio.
Since the 2024 and management changes after the JJK s2 problems, many Mappa shows were finished before the release (Lazarus, Ranma, Zenshu, Dorohedoro s2, CSM movie of course) and animators actually said that conditions are better. JJK s3 had almost two years of production, and some people like Hakuyu Go returned to work on the show. Also Mappa has moved main studio in 2024, new office and tools. So I'm pretty sure that thin
実際にスタジオを追ってるなら変化はもう明らかだよ。2024年と呪術2期のトラブル後の経営陣変更で、MAPPA作品の多くは公開前に仕上がってる(『LAZARUS』『らんま』『全修』『ドロヘドロ2期』『チェンソーマン劇場版』もちろん含む)。アニメーターも実際に環境は改善されたって言ってるし。
+9
Vounrtsch
What the fuck that’s based as hell, I hope they won’t use this as a shitty excuse to cancel the anime after season 2
マジかよそれ正論すぎる、2期後にアニメ打ち切りのクソみたいな言い訳に使わないでほしい
+151
Gee_Gog
Let's be honest, I really don't expect part 2 to get animated
正直言うと、パート2がアニメ化されるとはあんまり期待してない
+67
fissi0n-chips
Yeah, I'm fine with just Part 1 getting animated and leaving it at that. It's a complete, cohesive story with a great ending. No need to bring all of the shit from the end of P2 into the limelight again.
うん、パート1だけアニメ化されてそこで終わるのでもいいよ。完結してまとまってるストーリーだしエンディングも最高。パート2終盤のあのクソみたいな部分をまたスポットライト浴びせる必要ない。
+72
Agreeable-Performer5
I think the ending can be good. You need to give the audience more the frealing that the planet is completely fucked and strech the last like 5 chapters out to let thet fealing of it ending sink in a bit more.
エンディングは良くなると思う。惑星が完全に終わった感をもっと観客に与える必要があって、最後の5章くらいを引き伸ばして、終わりが近づいてる感をじわじわ感じさせるんだ。
+53
gibbbehh
Brother I don’t care if part 2 only gets one season I NEED something NEED. I NEED an hour of Asa animated I don’t care how we get it
ニキ、パート2が1期だけでもいいから何かが必要なんだ、絶対に。アーサが1時間アニメで動くのを見たい、手段は問わない
+35
badpiggy490
Unless the remainder of P1 doesn't do well for them, I don't see how it won't get animated quite frankly
パート1の残りが不振でもない限り、アニメ化されないってのは正直考えにくい
+10
WeirdAgile
I think part 2 might work well as an anime with a tighter narrative structure than the manga had, if I am being honest.
正直言うと、パート2は漫画より引き締まった構成ならアニメでうまくいくかも
+4
teokun123
>Part 2
What? There is no Part 2 in Ba Sing Se
>パート2
+3
StatisticianJolly388
Reze grossed over $170M WW. CEOs aren't in the business of leaving money on the table.
レゼは世界で1億7千万ドル超の興行収入。CEO連中が儲けを放り出すビジネスなんてしないよ。
+2
Livid-Interaction-49
Right.... and they're gonna drop CSM after part 1 just....because? Did they drop AOT after all the backlash Isayama got? no. idk where ya'll get this thought from tbh
そう…で、パート1だけでチェンソーマンを打ち切るって…なんで?諫山が叩かれた後で進撃を打ち切った?してない。みんなどこからそんな考え持つんだかマジで
+2
Auquie
What if they animated Part - 2 but changed the ending with the permission of Fujimoto?
もしパート2をアニメ化するなら、藤本タツキの許可を得てエンディング変えるとかどう?
+57
Vounrtsch
They can do whatever they want, it could be interesting, but I don’t think they would I don’t mind
何やってもいいよ、面白くなるかもだし、でもやらないと思う、別に気にしないけど
+40
Jammy2560
part of me unironically thinks fujimoto ended the way he did bc he was burnt out and thought "they'll fix it in the anime"
マジの話、藤本タツキは燃え尽きて「アニメでなんとかしてくれるだろ」って思ってあの終わり方にしたんじゃないかって気がしてる
+25
noobmaster_69lol
chainsaw man part 2: beyond canon
チェンソーマンパート2:ビヨンド・カノン
+24
SUdiTY
Suddenly homestuck
いきなりホームストックかよ
+2
sahil2921
It's aot all over again
進撃の再来だな
+6
Shattered_Sans
原文
They won't. The CEO of Mappa is apparently a huge fan of Chainsaw Man, and directly approached Shueisha for ownership of the anime's production rights with no production committee (which is practically unprecedented).
Also, anime don't usually get "canceled" like that, because they usually aren't produced under the assumption of a full adaptation/production to begin with, and usually get greenlit for production one season (or movie) at a time. The last time I've heard of an anime project actual
やらないよ。MAPPAのCEOはチェンソーマンの大ファンらしく、製作委員会なしで直接集英社にアニメ制作権の所有を打診したんだ(ほぼ前例ないこと)。それに、アニメって普通そんな風に「打ち切り」にならないし、だって普通は…
+55
VichelleMassage
The international assassins arc is probably one the most hype storylines of the entire series. I'm sure we'll at least get through Part 1.
国際暗殺者編はたぶん全シリーズで最も盛り上がるストーリーラインの一つ。少なくともパート1全部はやると思う。
+3
russart_the_agmer
yep and they made bank on the movie which will help out their whole staff and lighten up scheduals. they are not soley bound to ip sales and blueray anymore.
そやな、しかも映画でめっちゃ稼いでスタッフ全体の助けになってスケジュールも楽になるやろ。もうIP売上やブルーレイだけに縛られてへんねん。
+127
CosmoShiner
Animating chainsaw man is the reason this heart still beats
チェンソーマンをアニメ化する事が、この心臓がまだ動いてる理由やで
+91
renannmhreddit
I'll believe it when I see it
それは実際に見てから信じるわ
+30
WobuGotRichBf2
I hardly pray to god. But when I do, i usually ask for my parents fortune and Mappa Employee's good health.
普段はあんまり神様に祈らんけど、祈る時は親の幸せとMAPPA社員の健康を願うわ。
+16
oobekko
he knows themes
こいつ、作品のテーマを理解してるんやな
+17
EditorEducational201
and such..
とかそんな感じで…
+3
Ehoro
That's so cool🙌🙌
めっちゃカッコイイ🙌🙌
+8
SimasTheMoze
Those poor souls need it
かわいそうな魂たちにはそれが必要なんや…
+6
SoySauceStealer
Thanks Mappa, im full.
ありがとなMAPPA、お腹いっぱいやで。
+3
Ok-Reporter3256
Ngl, I think the top animation studios should start investing on having their own writers, so we have more Genuinely great anime only/anime source material works.
正直、トップアニメスタジオは独自の脚本家を抱えることに投資すべきだと思うわ。そうすれば、純粋に優れたアニメオリジナル/アニメ発の作品がもっと増えるやろ。
+3
Key_Relation_5407
"Glazing CSM is the reason this heart beats"
「チェンソーマンを褒め称える事が、この心臓が鼓動する理由です」
+3
horiami
please just stop at part 1 bro
頼むからパート1で止めてくれニキ…
+3
Halo1337JohnChief
Given it is Mappa, the second post sounds more ominous and like a threat than it is intended to be.
MAPPAのことだから、2つ目の投稿は本来の意図より不吉で脅しに聞こえるんよな。
+3
HelixKC
Even in death chainsaw man continues to be a hero
死んでも尚、チェンソーマンはヒーローであり続けるんやな
+2
stalin237
Lol mappa loves csm more than it's author
草、MAPPAは作者よりチェンソーマン愛してるんとちゃうか
+2
wks_526
MAPPA pls I’m begging for an anime original ending
MAPPA頼む…アニメオリジナルエンドを懇願するわ
+2
Dakoolestkat123
Unless that claim is written down in an actual contract, I trust it about as much as I trust Lucy to hold the football down for Charlie Brown
その主張が実際の契約書に書かれてない限り、ルーシーがチャーリー・ブラウンのためにフットボールを押さえてくれるってのを信じるぐらいしか信じんわ。
+2
cheezybreezy3
I'm looking forward to the new manga adaptations
新しい漫画のアニメ化、楽しみにしてるで
+2
AlbertW25
Well hopefully Season 2 of the anime will be similar in style to Season 1 then because I preferred that look and feel vs what we got in the movie. Felt unique.
まあ、アニメのシーズン2がシーズン1みたいなスタイルに近いといいんだけどな。映画で見た感じより、あの独特の見た目と感じの方が好みやったし。
+1
2026.3.30 r/ChainsawMan
ファンによるユニークなオリジナルキャラクター「ダンボールマン」が公開され、そのシュールなデザインが話題を集めました。
+2499

HappyMonkeyRookie
I love his smile, it gives me reassurance that everything is gonna work out in the end
彼の笑顔好きだわ。見てると「最後は全部うまくいく」って安心感が湧いてくる
+400
i_am_bruhed
Reminds me of Misogyny Kaisen's face.
女嫌い回戦の顔思い出すわ
+68
InspectorWise2256
Don't you have a cardboard heart?
お前、ダンボールの心臓でも持ってんの?
+30
GlenDP
Of whose face???
誰の顔の話???
+3
kkprecisa_ler_nao_fi
John Misoginy himself
ジョン・ミソジニー本人やんけ
+18
Hellowiiing
He's Misogyny Kaisen because... He is misogynistic Kaisen
彼が「女嫌い回戦」な理由…そりゃ「女嫌い」な「回戦」だからだろ(そのまんま)
+7
Wise-Advert
Thank you, Cardboard Man.
ありがとな、ダンボールマン。
+207
WobuGotRichBf2
Cardboard..Man?
ダンボール…マン?
+139
Winter-Commission696
Because you were, fighting with cardboard
だってお前、ダンボールで戦ってたじゃん
+142
Flat-Breadfruit9657
CSM fans will watch cardboard man and boxing tape man go hand for hands and call it the greatest fight ever conceived
チェンソーマンファンはダンボール男とボクシングテープ男の殴り合いを見て「史上最高の戦闘や!」って言い出すからな
+46
Wise-Advert
It IS though!
でもマジで最高だろ!
+13
DatBroSnuf
I'd like to make a contract
契約したいです…
+47
Br-Paradise
In Venezuela there is a lolcow, whos nickname given by te internet is "Cajaman" (Boxman) who went to a comic-con wearing cardboard glued together like some weird robot out of the trash.
He has made so many things, but the funniest (creepiest and awkard) by far is that he ask a female cosplayer by trying to seduce her: "look, you pissed hard"
I just remembered him d
ベネズエラに「カハマン(箱男)」ってネットで呼ばれてるキモい奴がいてさ、コミコンにゴミ捨て場のロボットみたいなダンボールを貼り合わせて着て行ったんだよ
+38
usagiiwong
Can you tell this in spanish? xD porque no entiendo si le dijo "oye te has hecho pipí" o sino "oye por qué estás enojada"
これスペイン語で説明してくれん?w なんて言ったのか分かんない。「おい、お前漏らしただろ」なのか「なんで怒ってんの?」なのか
+7
Br-Paradise
Nah, si dijo "mira, tu orinas fuerte"
Asi de huevos, fue lo primero que le dijo, ni un hola ni nada
いや、彼が言ったのは「お前の小便デカいな」だよ
+7
usagiiwong
JAJAJAJA QUÉ
マジかよ!?www
+4
HappyMonkeyRookie
Cada dia se aprende una cosa nueva, la pregunta es, porque debe serlo cada dia?
毎日何か新しいこと学んじゃうな。問題は、なんで毎日学ばなきゃなんないんだ?
+4
Cartesian_thinker-97
Sin mencionar que hizo el ridículo ante la embajada japonesa, imagina la vergüenza de los que estuvieron cerca
日本大使館の前で恥かいた話はまだしてないだろ。そばにいた連中の恥ずかしさったら想像もつかんわ
+3
Br-Paradise
Japones reacciona a la magia surrealista de latinoamerica
日本の人がラテンアメリカのシュールな魔法に反応する動画
+1
ShadowX8861
Could he beat Duct Tape Man?
ダクトテープマンに勝てるかな?
+14
B-CARMINE
He could, but theyre friends
勝てるけど、友達なんだよな
+1
pygmalion-cos
TheBassistTwo
The craftsmanship is superb
この職人技、神がかってる
+8
EvaX03
Hanka Mostowiak would be scared
ハンカ・モストヴィアクもビビるわこれ
+2
spongeboi-me-bob-
Part three main antagonist
パート3のメイン悪役決定
+2
TelevisionCareful931
let me have your hearth ,let’s become a hybrid!!!!
お前の心臓をよこせ、ハイブリッドになろうぜ!!!
+2
usagiiwong
You made me smile xD
これには笑ったわw
+1
Xichev
Finally first new char from part 3
ついにパート3から初の新キャラ登場か
+1
Wise-Inside1805
Cardboard man solos
段ボールマン、最強説
+1
Wani_Wanton
Mostly feared by retail employees during especially dry winters.
特に乾燥した冬の時期、小売店の従業員が最も恐れる存在。
+1
Kain2212
If I were him I'd be afraid of the Cat Devil
オレが彼なら、猫の悪魔の方が怖いわ
+1
Vinesinmyveins
That smell! I know it! HES THE CARDBOARD DEVIL
この匂い…!わかった!アイツはダンボールの悪魔だ!
+1
reshstreet
Cardboard man is born from my fear of having to make boxes with 32C flute corrugation
段ボールマンは、32Cフルートの段ボール箱を作らなきゃいけないという俺の恐怖から生まれた
+1
Apprehensive-Mall464
Cardboard man:
Incredibly durability
Can summon anything from Cardboard
Weakness, Water and fire
Can prison people in box for a certain amount of time
段ボールマン:
+1
ItsYaCarboiii
This dude's motivation is to not touch boobs
このキャラのモチベーションは「おっぱいを触らないこと」らしいで
+1
Matix777
I thought it's Tengen
天元かと思ったわ
+1
tubbz_official
this looks great
これイケてる
+1
ProofManufacturer912
I like it, but probably they would probably be the weakest hybrid of CSM 🤺 but I wanna know more, drop his powers rn
好きだけど、多分CSMのハイブリッドの中で最弱だろうな🤺 でももっと知りたい、今すぐあいつのパワー教えてくれ
+1
2026.3.30 r/ChainsawMan
第2部の終盤で描かれた、死の悪魔が消えた後の世界と「四騎士」に関する重要な1ページについて、その意味合いを考察する議論が行われています。
+2427

There has been a lot of yapping considering these three and this page.…
There has been a lot of yapping considering these three and this page.
Before the world was fucked, the four horseman were probably the strongest devils in the universal hierarchy.
When death is removed, there becomes a massive power vacuum leading to new complex fears and negative feelings we probably can't imagine.
These three are the embodiment of those horrors beyond our imagination. All three, (or the one who one shots Dennis) are probably the Great King of Terror.
Ultimately, (up ti
この3人とこのページに関しては、かなり盛り上がってるよな。
世界がめちゃくちゃになる前は、四騎士が宇宙の階層で最強の悪魔だったはず。
「死」が消えたら、でかいパワーバキュームが生まれて、俺たちには想像もつかない複雑な恐怖やネガティブな感情が生まれる。
この3人は、そんな想像を超えた恐怖の化身だ。全員(あるいはデニスを一撃で倒すヤツ)が、おそらく「恐怖の大王」なんだ。
結局のところ、(今のところ)
LLachiee
I'm gonna be honest with how things were heading it really looked like famine would have some big role to play or something... alongside all these stronger devils cause of the bugs/locusts/whatever
idk felt like it wasn't finished properly.
正直言うと、ここまでの流れだと飢饉の悪魔が何か大きな役割を果たしそうな感じだったんだよな…バッタとかイナゴとかで強くなった他の悪魔と一緒に。なんかちゃんと完結してない気がする。
+1324
Delhiiboy123
Well it definitely wasn't finished properly. We could've gotten at least 5 more chapters.
絶対ちゃんと完結してないわ。あと5話は少なくともあったはず。
+513
LLachiee
Like even how this panel is set out. These 3 devils seem to be particularly more important than the rest of them that you see. And then it's all just... not even covered? one of them just blitz's him
このコマの構成的にもさ。この3体の悪魔、他と比べて特に重要そうに見えるだろ?なのに全部…無視?一体がただ瞬殺するだけって。
+302
JustAttacked
Yeah it feels almost like this page was meant to introduce them, just for the manga to end 2 chapters later without them being featured ever again.
そうそう、このページは彼らを紹介するためのものだったはずなのに、たった2話後に何も出番なく終わっちゃった感じ。
+113
Saurid
原文
Its why people are confused and disappointed, liek this doenst feel like a rushed ending, because its a straight up cut.
One moment "we have a plan and a story planned out" to "whelp gotta kill CSM and then end the story". Its why the cope "this is not the real end" isnt complete bullshit. There are so many hints and possibilities in these last 3 chapters taht it makes sense it was a fakeout.
But who is crazy enough to say "whelp this is the end of my story see you in my next work" and just p
だからみんな混乱して失望してるんだよ。急いで終わらせた感じじゃなくて、完全にブツ切りだから。「計画もストーリーも練ってある」状態から、いきなり「チェンソーマン殺して終わりでいいや」みたいな。だから「これが本当の終わりじゃない」って希望的観測も完全にデタラメとは言えんのよ。
+101
Noriaki_Kakyoin_OwO
Maybe 5 chapters spaced out over 10 weeks at least?
少なくとも10週間に5話くらいのペースだったんじゃない?
+4
fightingbronze
People are making all these theories trying to explain the ending but I’m 99% sure the answer is just that Fujimoto got burnt out and rushed an ending without considering most things. It sucks but I’m fairly confident that’s our reality. Im not even upset, more sympathetic. Burnout is a bitch and its rough for something you were once passionate about to feel like a chore.
みんな終わりを説明しようと色々理論立ててるけど、99%確信してるのは、藤本が燃え尽きてほとんど何も考えずに急いで終わらせたって答えだよ。最悪だけど、それが現実だと思う。むしろ怒ってない、同情するよ。燃え尽きはほんと酷いから。
+62
JinkoTheMan
Yeah. People refused to admit but he’s been on a downward spiral for a long time now. I’m just curious about what made him finally snap and go “fuck this shit. I’m writing the last chapter now.”
そうだね。認めたがらない人もいるけど、彼は長い間下降螺旋にあったんだよ。ただ、何が最後の引き金になって「もういいや、今すぐ最終話書く」ってなったのかは気になる。
+38
Peshurian
I think he got burnt out but also kinda realized that the direction part 2 took just wasn't working out and pulled the plug. The ending leaves things open enough to give it another shot down the line.
燃え尽きたのもあるけど、パート2の方向性がうまくいってないって気づいて、スイッチ切ったんだと思う。終わり方はまた再開できるくらいには開けてあるし。
+21
SweetOrganization935
原文
I thought exactly that while reading things about CSM on Twitter in comparison to what is discussed here.
For me, you know what's the funniest thing? (saying this as someone from within the fandom in the last 6 years) is that some CSM fans are the only ones who will still say that there's a deeper meaning, subtext, subjectivity, or symbolism in that ending simply because it's a Fujimoto work. Simply because he's the author who produced Fire Punch and incredible one-shots for us, so it's hard to
ツイッターでチェンソーマンの話を見て、ここの議論と比べて、まさにそう思ったよ。
+21
flamebroiledpuppies
Unbelievably refreshing comment
めちゃくちゃ清々しいコメントだわ
+5
sartnow
Definitely, because once there isn't anymore humans to feed off, the creature would resort to cannibalism and skyrocket the fear of famine, because there's no more food and no more death, only an endless famine.
To think War devil thought an endless war would be stronger than endless famine XD she's not that bright all things considered
確実にそうだよ。なぜなら、食料となる人間がいなくなったら、その生物は共食いを始める。そうなれば、食料も死もなく、終わりのない飢饉だけが残るから、飢饉への恐怖が急騰するんだ。
+35
buffility
tbh noone or barely anyone would have predicted bugs would be such a big problem in a death-less world.
正直、死のない世界で虫がこんな大問題になるって、誰も(ほとんど誰も)予想できなかったでしょ。
+9
Shermico
The Silksong Devil, the Gloryhole Devil and some ugly ass mf
シルクソングの悪魔、グローリーホールの悪魔、そして超ブサイクなやつ
+770
Totheendofsin
The reader devil
読者悪魔
+186
lochnah
Reading comprehension devil, Chainsaw man final boss
読解力悪魔、チェンソーマンラスボス
+88
Hetares
Reading Comprehension Devil would no diff Darkness Devil, it's merged with the Reading Comprehension Special Grade Curse from JJK.
読解力悪魔は闇の悪魔を余裕で倒すわ。呪術廻戦の読解力特級呪霊と合体してるし。
+13
ImLonenyNunlovable
The-manga-is-coming-to-an-end devil
漫画が終わる悪魔
+12
70MCKing
Second one is clearly the Fred Durst devil
二番目は明らかにフレッド・ダースト悪魔だろ
+15
the_onlyretr0
AdEven60
Few_Committee5958
Flauschziege
Honestly.
The left one is the weirdest, because it doesn't fit.
It's at the same time:
-Flesh
-Machine
-Human
-Crescent Moon
You could argue it's the nightmare devil, but then why is it a machine?
Considering how obvious most other devil's look to their concept, that one is just weird because it isn't obvious at all.
マジで。
+273
SaintJiminy
Idk maybe something to do with this, themes and such.
+189
TheSeekerOfChaos
Thank you, Blade Runner
ブレードランナー、サンキューな
+45
PM_ME_YOUR_HOLOCRONS
Blade Runner?
ブレードランナー?
+25
AtmosphereOk1127
Pretty sure it’s supposed to be a Rhinoceros Beetle which are known for their iron like body and crescent horns.
多分カブトムシの悪魔やろ、鉄みたいな体と三日月の角で有名やし。
+38
Purasangre
I think it's because the design process for that one was backwards, start with hornet from silksong and add stuff until it's not as obviously recognizeable
デザイン過程が逆やったんやと思うわ。シルクソングのホーネットから始めて、明らかに認識できなくなるまで要素を足したんちゃう?
+32
HellishK9
With the arms and crescent moon head, it looks kinda like a dream catcher honestly.
あの腕と三日月頭、正直ドリームキャッチャーに似てるよな。
+21
Flauschziege
Might be that in combination with "The Watchman" or the "Man in the Moon".
Both have connections to wishes - and both would explain the rubber boots as well.
それか「見張り番」とか「月の男」との組み合わせかもな。
+17
d_Lac
What if it's something that Chainsaw Man ate?
+16
Margbon_
Wait so, are all these devils back again now that pochita never existed?
待てよ、つまりポチタが存在しなかった今、これらの悪魔は全部戻ってきたってこと?
+5
badpiggy490
Part of me thinks the first one is still an insect devil since it's head looks more like the mandibles of a beetle in a way
個人的には最初のやつはまだ昆虫の悪魔なんじゃないかと思ってる。頭の形がなんかカブトムシの大顎に似てるし。
+10
saltinstiens_monster
They're based on human associations with specific words, right?
Maybe that's the "Drone" devil? That calls to mind "warrior" insects with no regard for their own wellbeing, just that of their queen. It can also mean a robot, or an ominous humming sound.
悪魔ってのは特定の言葉に対する人間の連想が元になってるんだよな?
+7
NotYourColdPerson
probably just some designs that fujimoto cooked up when he decided the story wasnt ending as soon
多分ただの藤本が「話し終わらんわこれ」ってなった時にでっち上げたデザインやろ
+119
AskGoverntale
原文
I’m theorizing that the three of them are the new “ends of life” or at least, the closest approximation to the end of life one can reach.
The moon one with technological legs might be the Comatose Devil. A coma is something that would cause people to reach a hypothetical “ending”, plus, if they did punch Denji out, it’s possible he was just put into a Coma.
The mouth might be the fear of Consumption, since, as we’re seeing with the vermin, thats what’s happening to most of humanity. Being ea
俺の理論では、こいつら三人は新たな「人生の終わり方」、あるいはせめてそれに最も近い状態を表してるんじゃないか。
+113
Baloo_360
Honestly it being the Comatose Devil makes much more sense than the Nightmare Devil theory. It's machine body could be explained by the hospital equipment present when one is inside a coma, and an Comatose would be much scarier without death, since you could simply never wake up, but neither die.
正直、悪夢の悪魔説より昏睡の悪魔説の方がずっと納得いくわ。機械の体は昏睡状態の時にある病院の機器で説明できるし、昏睡は死なずにただ二度と目覚めないかもしれないって点で、死より怖いかもな。
+30
BlackRockLarryFink
This is a great follow up.
これすごい良い続きやん。
+11
Cyclops-hammer
The branch devil could also just be a tree guy. The aging devil showed us humans turn into trees after a long enough time.
枝の悪魔はただの樹木男でもええんやで。老化の悪魔で人間が十分に時間かけたら木になるの見せられたやん。
+6
Zetta_Stoned
Really wish we knew more about these guys or even saw the full picture of them
こいつらのこともっと知りたいし、フル絵が見たいんだけどなぁ。
+67
model_namakemono
Middle one being Anal fissure devil🥲
真ん中が肛門裂傷の悪魔とか🥲
+54
Ptony_oliver
We're never gonna know who these guys are, what they represent, how exactly they became the new primal fears in such a short time.
I seriously don't know why so many people keep defending this ending.
こいつらが何者で、何を象徴してるのか、どうやってこんな短期間で新たな根源的恐怖になったのか、結局わからんまま終わるんだよな。
+38
AzorAhai1TK
This is such a nothing burger complaint. Why do we need the names and back stories of all of them, when they clearly represent insects that are devouring the world? Like we don't need more info we got exactly what we needed
This might be like the single most bizarre complaint I've heard??
これ超どうでもいい文句だわ。世界を食い尽くす虫を明確に象徴してるのに、全員の名前やバックストーリーが必要か?必要な情報は全部得てるんだからこれ以上いらんよ。
+29
RochHoch
原文
Y'all are missing the point. We're NOT SUPPOSED to know what these devils are, they're unspeakable horrors born in a world where the concept of death doesn't exist, they're beyond our rational understanding.
The ending isn't perfect, it's flawed and deserving of critique, but whining about intentional ambiguity is just a stupid complaint. Not everything needs to be explained and spoonfed to the audience
みんな要点を理解してない。これらの悪魔が何かは「知るはずがない」んだよ。死の概念が存在しない世界に生まれた、言葉にできない恐怖で、我々の理性的理解を超えてる。
+8
Dat_guy696
原文
I like to think the left one is related to time as people is afraid of perpetual agony wondering when Will it end fearing how long Will it last and at least would explain the mechanical parts. If it's truly insect related then must be from one of several insect perks.
The second one i like to think has to do with environmental hazards and global warm after all there are a shit ton of nukes and crazy stuff going around the world. Could also ve related to swarms.
The third one i like to think is
左のは時間関連かなーって思ってる。終わりの見えない苦痛がいつまで続くかっていう恐怖が、あの機械的なパーツを説明すると思う。もし虫関連なら、虫の特性のどれかから来てるはず。
+36
kellerWB
Nothing about this ending is ok. So many tiny little plot points and characters that never went anywhere
この結末、納得いかんことだらけだ。ちっちゃな伏線やキャラが大量に未解決のまま終わってる。
+25
Boguffyy
Holy shit can we not even fucking talk about it?
"NO IT'S SHIT. IT'S SHIT SHUT UP IT'S SHIT. IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT IT'S SHIT."
No discussion. Nothing. The post wasn't even defending the ending it's just talking about the fucking manga. Stop spitting your fucking dummy out
マジでもうこれについて話すことすらできないの?
+5
Cert_Dako
My only issue with the idea that these three are the Great King of Terror, is that we have had a bunch of characters straight up say that the King of Terror is death, with no room for assumptions or ambiguity.
Nayuta literally says "We know she will descend because its our sister" -> not -> "We believe the King of Terror is refering to our sister"
この3人が「恐怖の大王」って考え方で唯一引っかかるのは、これまで何人ものキャラが「恐怖の大王は死だ」とはっきり言ってて、推測や曖昧さの余地が全くなかったことだな。
+20
ThePhilosophic
Kinda makes sense if Denji was the great king of terror tho
でもデンジが恐怖の大王だとしたら納得いくかもな
+7
AshCrow97
What if the moon headed dude is the Nightmare devil and the last chapter is just Dennis allucinating/dreaming because he is still inside the nightmare devil
もし月頭の奴が悪夢の悪魔で、最終章はデニスがまだ悪夢の悪魔の中にいるから見てる幻覚/夢だったら?
+12
riningear
This is all why I think the story was always going this way. The world-state was increasingly irrevocable, and combined with Denji's stubbornness, there was no going back to it except what Pochita did.
だからこそ物語は最初からこの方向に向かってたんだと思う。世界の状態はどんどん取り返しがつかなくなり、デンジの頑固さと相まって、ポチタがやったこと以外に戻る方法はなかった。
+10
DumbestComicsNerd
原文
Theyre probably just random designs Fujimoto thought up because hype moments and aura. But if I had to give them some sort of meaning..
1. Nightmare Devil. Crescent head to refer to the moon (night), artificial stubby doll legs to refer to paralysis and a cloak of arms to represent a hospital scrub. It rises to prominence because what happens when the human body is totally destroyed after death was erased is a never-ending coma. A constant nightmare.
2. Reproduction/Sex Devil. Literally a gian
多分ただ藤本先生がカッコいいから考えたランダムなデザインだと思う。けどもし何か意味をつけるなら…
+8
Urinius
It doesn't matter
どうでもいい
+8
Remarkable_Ship_4673
AnimeWeebTrash31
one of them has to be a bug related devil. not sure which. i think 2 may be a black hole devil/end of the universe devil. since everything now lives forever the fear of the inevitable destruction of the universe probably spiked.
うち1匹は虫関連の悪魔に違いない。どれかはわからんけど。2番目はブラックホール悪魔/宇宙の終末悪魔かも。みんな永遠に生きるようになったら、宇宙の不可避的な破滅への恐怖は急増しただろうし。
+3
TheSilv
A bit unrelated but one thing I found odd was that Pochita said that Denji and him were eaten by a devil. But wasn’t the whole disaster specifically about insects in general and not their corresponding devils? Or was it specifically that Denji and Asa/Yoru were targeted by the insect devils while actual insects were ravaging the world (as we see in the Fumiko scenes).
少し話が逸れるけど、ポチタが「デンジと俺は悪魔に食われた」って言ってたの変だな。災害全体は昆虫一般の話で、対応する悪魔の話じゃなかったっけ?それともデンジとアサ/ヨルが特に虫の悪魔に狙われてて、一方で…
+4
karama_zov
Wouldn't it be cool to know?!
知れたらカッコよくない?!
+5
OjaKenji
原文
I understand how annoying it is when people tell you you can't read... but then you see these questions and complaints that were already answered a couple of panels back—yes, the answer is given in the same chapter—and yet somehow you still don't understand.
They're insect demons... and that's it. Fumiko explained why they're so powerful a few panels back, and chapters ago we saw Denji and Yoru struggling to defeat one.
「お前は読解力ない」って言われるのがどれだけウザいかわかるよ…でもその後に、ほんの数コマ前で既に答えられてる質問や不満(そう、同じ章で答えは出てる)を見て、それでもまだ理解してないんだからな。
+4
BrilliantCoconut25
Yes I remember all those robot insects with arm necklaces
ああ、あの腕のネックレスをしたロボット昆虫たち全部覚えてるよ
+11
2026.3.31 r/ChainsawMan
ロシア・サンクトペテルブルクのフィギュアスケート選手たちが、チェンソーマンのコスプレを着用して演技を披露。そのクオリティの高さに海外ファンも驚愕しています。
+1890
TextApprehensive5443
Only_Concept999
The duality of chainsaw man
チェンソーマンの二面性ってやつだな
+217
Abject-Tax804
The duality of man
人間の二面性よ
+51
Ver_Nick
r/YourJokeButWorse
r/お前のジョークの劣化版
+2
Deathsangelz
The_Greyskull
Because...um... you were fighting with a chainsaw.
だって…えっと…チェンソーで戦ってたからじゃね?
+29
kraken426
Is that me ??
これ俺?
+29
randomvandal
No. Don't be silly.
違うよ。バカ言うなw
+16
lol_lo_daf_fy
Shermico
Lets be honest, the average person will think this is cringe, they will not understand why the people are dressed like that.
正直に言おう、一般人はこれキモいと思うぞ。なんであんな格好してるのか理解できねーだろ。
+318
LasyKuuga
Let’s be honest if I was doing this. I am basically doing it to impress one specific person
正直、もし俺がこれやるなら、特定の一人を落とすためだわ
+190
NonameNinja_
how are you gonna impress her at her own expertise
本人の専門分野でどうやって惚れさせるんだよ
+34
LasyKuuga
You think ppl of “insert profession” aren’t impressed by skilled ppl in the “same profession”
「(職業名)の人って、同じ分野のできる人に惹かれない」って思ってんの?
+73
SnagTheRabbit
It's clearly theatrical, even if they aren't familiar with the source material they can tell the performance is adapted from a story.
明らかに演劇的だし、元ネタ知らなくても何かの物語の演技ってのは伝わるだろ。
+15
Breyck_version_2
CSM is pretty popular in Russia (just like everywhere else really), but I imagine the people going to see skiing are typically not the same audience. So yeah you are probably right
チェンソーマンはロシアでもそこそこ人気だ(まあどこでもそうだけど)。でもスキー観戦に行く層とは被らんと思う。だから多分あんたの言う通りかもな。
+6
Samurai_Beluga
the average person is also an idiot (and yes i include myself), so why should anyone care what they think. let people express themselves and have fun.
also i dont think you need to know whats being referenced to understand that its a performance depicting two weird dudes fighting, thats all you really need to know.
一般人もアホだ(自分も含めて)。だから連中の意見を気にする必要ある?好きに表現して楽しませてやれよ。
+1
AccountDeletedByMod
Part 3 looking different, but I'm okay with it.
パート3、イメージ違うけどアリだな。
+210
jerry-cherry
Just imagine, like joker 2 was musical, part 3 is going to be Yuri on ice type shi where denji turns pro ice skating to find meaning in life and explores his deeply hidden homosexual desires (that's why he wasn't happy with girls around frfr)
想像してくれ、ジョーカー2がミュージカルだったみたいに、パート3は「ユーリ!!! on ICE」みたいな感じで、デンジが人生の意味を見つけるためにプロフィギュアに転向して、深層に隠されたホモ願望を探求するんだ(だから周りに女いても満足できなかったんだよ、マジで)
+46
AccountDeletedByMod
Makes sense. During the Reze arc, Denji, while fantasizing, thought about the angel devil...
なるほどな。レゼ編でデンジが妄想してた時、天使の悪魔のことを考えてたし…
+11
Lombab_
Life-Donut-8754
missed opportunity for a reze skater, this is literally russian
レゼのスケーターにするチャンス逃したな、これ完全にロシアやん
+157
itsmarthai
I mean... yeah but she's a kid from the secret room in the military munition's storehouse, filled with orphans by the soviet union, it doesn't shock me they look away haha
まあ…確かにそうだけど、彼女はソ連が孤児を集めた軍需品倉庫の秘密部屋の子供だし、目を背けるのも無理はないわ w
+53
kraken426
This is so fucking cool
これめっちゃイケてる
+93
Sandri240
Ensianto
Cool, thanks for posting this!
カッコいい、投稿ありがと!
+34
Lykosnara
posting this?
これのこと?
+1
CN01_Miku-Miku-Y
This is so fucking peak
これマジで最高すぎる
+26
Jacu-
riningear
原文
I genuinely bet Kenshi Yonezu, the song artist for all of these, would be ecstatic about this. He also did the [first opening for Medalist,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3SUAiwfyp0) the ice skating anime that's in its second season right now, because he adored the manga so much.
EDIT: Also, [there's an MV of one of Japan's top figure skaters performing the full version of the song.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcza_Do4IoY) It's a genuinely impressive routine, he does a quadruple Lutz...
これらの曲全部を手がけた米津玄師、これ見たら絶対めっちゃ喜ぶと思うわ。彼、今2期放送中のスケートアニメ『メダリスト』の[1期OP](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3SUAiwfyp0)も担当してるんだよね、漫画が大大大好きだったから。
+22
Abject_Yesterday7395
This is so cool
これめっちゃカッコいい
+14
Jaipod100
Thank you ice skate man
ありがとう氷滑りマン
+14
linkjames24
ice skate man?
氷滑りマン?
+4
Jaipod100
Because you are a man doing ice skating…
だってスケートしてる男性だから…
+4
Longjumping-Film4233
Absolute fire 🔥
激アツ 🔥
+9
Gato1486
I enjoyed this. Very cute performance!
楽しかった。すごく可愛い演技だった!
+6
Breyck_version_2
This is so fucking awesome dude
これめっちゃめっちゃ最高だわニキ
+7
Vagstor
Бля, они еще не в курсе про концовку 😭
くそっ、こいつらまだエンディング知らねえのか 😭
+6
crunchnecessary
YEAHH BABY YEAH
イェーイベイビーイェーイ
+5
BabaPatch
Chainsaw man on ice was not on my bingo card this year but damn this is awesome
チェンソーマン on ice は今年のビンゴカードにはなかったけど、これめっちゃヤバい
+6
quietvictories
Mappa: cancels Yuri on Ice to focus on Chainsaw man
Chainsaw Man: fine i'll do it myself
MAPPA: 『ユーリ!!! on ICE』やめてチェンソーマンに集中するわ
+3
quietvictories
holy shit. Love the theatrics!
うわっ…!演出めっちゃいい!
+3
Trityler
I wonder if the costume throws off the skaters balance or shifts their center of gravity at all
この衣装ってスケーターのバランスとか重心に影響あるのかな
+3
Scattershot98
gala-gala
the part where they're masked goes insanely hard, i'd guess it has to low visibility significantly
仮面被ってるパートが鬼すぎる、視界かなり悪そうだけど
+2
ImLichenThisStone
Me before this video: "[media I like] on ice? That sounds lame as hell."
Me after this video: "That was so awesome I think it cured my stomachache..."
Edit: [found it on youtube](https://youtu.be/8Eke_w_c7Qw?si=I2ZaJ4e1i1rqR4vI)
動画見る前の俺:「(好きな作品)on ice?ダサそう」
+1
Low-Annual-8724
Я не знаю впечатлён ли или в ахуе с кринжа
感動してるのか、それともキモさで引いてるのか自分でもわからん
+1
ya_pidoras_
yes i will also blame a figure skater cosplaying as denji for the war in ukraine thank you for reminding me
そうだね、ウクライナでの戦争の悪魔のせいも、デンジのコスプレしたフィギュアスケーターにぶつけるよ。ありがとう、思い出させてくれて
+67
WafflezMan_420_Died
Miserable ass mfs on reddit when they see a random Russian person
Redditの陰キャ共がロシア人をたまたま見た時
+52
Background-Ad-9518
Keep this same energy towards athletes from the US. Illegal invasions, kidnappings, torture, extrajudicial killings and killings of civilians are all things both the US and Russia have in common. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Venezuela and most recently Iran comes to mind.
アメリカのアスリートにも同じ態度でいてくれよ。違法な侵攻、拉致、拷問、超法規的殺人、民間人殺害は、アメリカもロシアも共通してやってることだ。イラク、アフガニスタン、リビア、ベネズエラ、そして最近だとイランが思い浮かぶ。
+23
Yanazamo
Please keep the same energy towards the US with all the atrocities they've been doing. Otherwise you're just a performative fuck
アメリカがやってきた数々の残虐行為にも同じように向き合ってくれ。そうでなきゃ、ただのパフォーマンス野郎だ
+19
tasketekudasai
No problem at all, as long as you're not a hypocrite and boycott anything American as well
全く問題ないよ、偽善者にならずにアメリカのものも全てボイコットするならね
+16
idk-who-cares
Me when I'm fucking stupid
俺がアホすぎる時の図
+5
3000Chameleons
get a job bro
働けよニキ
+5
2026.3.31 r/ChainsawMan
物語の終盤、ポチタが「新しい世界」を創造したのか、それとも既存の世界を「リセット」しただけなのかについて、解釈を巡る議論が交わされています。
+870

Because he technically didn't. That asa and denji are GONE. Yes they influence the new ones. But it is just that. A new denji and asa.
I really doubt pochita meant here to litterally create a new world but I guess he did? Just makes this whole point feel much less meaningful when its not "lets create a world for ourselves here where we can be happy", and instead "lets just literally make a new world so we can scrap this old one"
だって厳密には違うんだよ。あのアサとデンジはもういないんだ。確かに彼らは新しい存在に影響は与えてるけど、それだけ。新しいデンジとアサなんだ。
ポチタが文字通り新しい世界を作るつもりだったとはマジで思わないけど…結果的にそうなっちゃった?「ここに俺たちが幸せになれる世界を作ろう」じゃなくて「古い世界は捨てて、文字通り新しい世界を作っちゃおう」ってなると、この展開の意味がだいぶ薄れる気がするんだよね。
lactatingRHINO7
原文
I think the issue is that you are looking at the ending literally, not poetically. Its true that the characters' memories did not carry over but its clear that the emotions did.
Pochita obviously made a new world for them in a literal sense but Denji invited Asa to a new world too when he caught her from falling. She now gets to live in a world where she is not a prisoner to feelings of guilt, exacerbated by Yoru's desire for powerful weapons.
問題は結末を文字通りじゃなく詩的に見れてないからだと思うわ。記憶は引き継がれてないけど感情は引き継がれてるの明らかだし。
+627
FriendLee93
I think the ending shows us that the memories carry over in a vague sense as well. That's why Denji's heart skips a beat when Asa calls him Chainsaw Man. It's why Power likes dogs now, and why Meowy remembers Nayuta
結末は記憶も曖昧に引き継がれてることを示してると思う。だからアーサがチェンソーマンって呼んだ時デンジの心がときめくし、パワーが今犬好きなんだよ。ニャーコがナユタを覚えてるのもそう
+296
XxgamerxX734
Very Donnie darko with the whole “reset” and lingering changes
完全に「リセット」なのに変化が残ってるって、めっちゃドニー・ダーコ感ある
+114
ViLe_Rob
Id wager a bet Fujimoto has seen it, too.
藤本も観たことあるんじゃねえかな
+36
FriendLee93
Yeah I made [a whole post](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChainsawMan/comments/1s4uynd/chainsaw_man_donnie_darko_making_sense_of_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) about this
うん、俺も[これについてガッツリ記事書いた](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChainsawMan/comments/1s4uynd/chainsaw_man_donnie_darko_making_sense_of_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
+32
pissed_off_machinist
I made a whole ass thread and meme saying this would end like Donnie Darko, I'm very surprised it didn't. It would have been a lot better too than Nayuta is back for-some-reason
絶対ドニー・ダーコみたいな終わり方するってガッツリスレ立ててミームまで作ったのに、ならなくて超ビックリ。ナユタが理由もなく戻ってくるよりずっと良かったのに
+9
lactatingRHINO7
I think Fujimoto left it open for interpretation but yeah definitely those pieces are there so you could make the argument.
藤本は解釈を開放したんだと思うけど、確かにそう主張できる要素はあるよね
+39
[deleted]
What’s that line from Spirited Away? ?The past stays with you, even if you don’t remember it” or something like that?
千と千尋のあの台詞なんだっけ?「過去は覚えてなくても心に残る」みたいな?
+14
Nova-Redux
"Once you've met someone, you never really forget them. It just takes a while for your memories to return."
「一度出会った人は、本当に忘れることなんてできないの。思い出すまでに少し時間がかかるだけ」
+10
JediSabine
I can’t help but feel like it was a cheap way to get there. But Idk, I’m still pondering it
ちょっと安っぽい着地に感じちゃうんだけど…わかんね、まだ考え中
+39
lactatingRHINO7
Maybe so, I am generally into where the story ends up but I think getting here was rushed. People often form knee-jerk reactions so I'm trying to give it some time to think about it too.
そうかも。物語の着地点自体は好きだけど、そこへの道筋が急ぎすぎだった。みんな反射的に反応しがちだから、俺も少し考えてみる時間をとってる
+47
Wizardrylullaby
It’s a pity because the ending does a lot of good stuff, and that gets often lost in all of the discussion. I don’t mean to say “the ending is achtually great”, but there is a lot there to talk about
結末は良いところたくさんあるのに、議論の中で埋もれちゃうの残念。「結末は実は最高」って言うつもりはないけど、語るべき要素は山ほどある
+14
Substantial_Pick6897
My main issue with the ending is that Denji had no part in it. Pochita just decided everything for him.
結末で一番気になるのはデンジが何も関与してないこと。全部ポチタが決めちゃった
+34
badpiggy490
That's kind of the point
Denji himself was never going to make this decision. Even in the second last chapter we saw that he was never going to part with Pochita
So who better to give him another chance than the only character in this series who actually understood him
それがポイントだと思う
+29
lactatingRHINO7
原文
I agree with you. Denji would not tell Pochita to sacrifice himself. Pochita has been with Denji the whole journey though and has seen him chase his dreams. I think it makes perfect sense that by the end he's now seen how Denji has been burdened by the expectation of being Chainsaw Man, given choices and ultimatums he was never equipped to handle, to the point that the world has become fucked beyond repair. On top of that Pochita locked Denji into a never-ending cycle of chasing the carrot on th
同意。デンジがポチタに自己犠牲を強いることなんてない。でもポチタは旅の全てを見てきて、デンジが夢を追う姿も見てきた。チェンソーマンであることの重圧に苦しむデンジを見て、最後に選択肢を与えたのは完璧に筋が通ってる
+8
ViLe_Rob
You can go back to a lot of A B choices Denji has been presented with and he consistently makes up and chooses a C option. At a certain point Pochita had to make a decision for him to stop his self sabotaging.
デンジが今まで提示されたAかBかの選択を振り返ると、彼はいつもCをでっち上げて選んでる。ある時点でポチタが彼の自滅を止めるために決断する必要があったんだ
+12
UnbiasedGod
Chainsawman is like a drug and not all people with addictions can stop taking them on their own.
Sometimes force is required to help them get better.
チェンソーマンはドラッグみたいなもんで、依存症の人が自力でやめられるわけじゃない。
+2
[deleted]
原文
This is a huge part of why I like it, tbh. I have a lot of anxiety about the planet and the environment being hospitable for the next couple decades. I can’t alleviate that anxiety with therapy. I can’t alleviate that anxiety by Luigi-ing the ceo of exxon or whatever. I can’t nonviolent protest my way into a society that only used renewable energy. I ride a bike, take the bus, recycle and compost, I do what I can but that climate anxiety always remains. There is no solution. I just have to live
マジでここが好きな理由の一つ。この数十年で地球や環境が住めるかどうか不安で仕方ないんだ。セラピーでもこの不安は消せない。エクソンのCEOをルイージみたいに倒しても消せない。非暴力の抗議活動でも…
+3
cataraxis
There are things that you can do at the local level with the most immediate visible effects. That's what you focus on instead of just building resentment over your lack of control. The problem of Chainsawman is the want, the hole that will make you complete but never does. You can either live with the want of a better world, or deal with it as it arrives.
身近なレベルで目に見える効果があることだってできる。コントロールできないことへの不満を溜めるんじゃなくて、そこに集中するんだ。チェンソーマンの問題は「欲求」、自分を完成させてくれそうで永遠にさせない「穴」なんだ。それと共に生きるか…
+2
rdwd4evr
Yeah, tell me how did poetry explained what happened to Yoru?
よーし、じゃあ詩的解釈でヨルに何が起きたか説明してみろよ
+4
FriendLee93
原文
What happened to Yoru? Chainsaw Man was erased, so she never fought him and never got herself partially eaten, so she had no reason to go on a psychotic revenge quest.
If you mean in a narrative sense, Yoru is the opposite of Pochita. They're both devils who formed bonds with a human in order to save that human from death, and subsequently had that humanity affect them in turn. We see all through Part 2 that Yoru is changed by Asa, even if she doesn't actually make the efforts to understand her
戦争の悪魔はどうなった?チェンソーマンが消されたから、戦うことも喰われることもなく、復讐に狂う理由もなかったはず。
+4
VitinNunes
Yeah he did
マジでそうだわ
+216
[deleted]
He didn't though. Pochita did. Nothing was his choice or doing
違うわ。やったのはポチタ。デンジの意思や行動じゃない
+56
Only_Piece_6828
“Let’s” implies both of them
「Let's(しよう)」ってことは二人とも含まれてるってことだろ
+7
[deleted]
But Denji didn't do anything lol. In fact he didn't want Pochita to erase himself and create a "new world". It was his original idea sure but he did nothing to actually accomplish that
でもデンジは何もしてないしw むしろポチタが自らを消して「新しい世界」を作るのを望んでさえいなかった。元々のアイデアは彼のでも、実際に成し遂げたのは彼じゃない
+6
[deleted]
Can’t believe I forgot about this moment. This improves the ending a lot for me
この場面忘れてたわ。これでエンディングの印象かなり良くなった
+72
WeirdAgile
There are a lot of things that build up towards this end, right from the introduction of Denji in Part 2.
Honestly, Part 2 has felt aimless to me for the last three years, but, even if the end was kind of a disappointment, after giving it a bit of thought, it did improve part 2 as a whole for me, because I think I understand the story Fujimoto wanted to tell now.
この結末への伏線はパート2のデンジ登場時からたくさん仕込まれてたよな。
+55
zenithBemusement
Inb4 some jjk fan comes out of the woodwork to say that you're coping and trying to polish a turd
今にJJKファンが湧いて「コーピングしてるだけ」「クソに磨きかけてる」とか言い出す予感
+13
WeirdAgile
Honestly: rereading the end of part one again, I realised, that all of this was set up from the moment Denji reacted to Aki and Power's desth by wanting 'tons of sex' and being happy, that people love chainsaw man, because Makima had erased every bit of self value he ever had by blaming him for those and his fathers death.
正直な話:パート1の終わりを読み直して気付いたけど、これ全部、アキとパワーの死にデンジが「いっぱいセックスしたい」って喜んだ瞬間から仕組まれてた。マキマが彼の自己価値を全部奪ったから、人々がチェンソーマンを愛してることでしか幸せを感じられなくなってた。
+23
[deleted]
原文
Compared to part 1, I felt like the aimlessness thing is generally overstated by the community at large. I think a lot of that is me reading serially since chapter 1 compared to people who came in later and read part 1 all at once, and another part of it is the existence of the stated goal “kill the gun devil” implies aim, even if as a serial reader “kill the gun devil” is as nebulous a concept as “find the one piece.” (I accept that this is an off-kilter opinion deserving of pushback). Moments
パート1と比べて、散漫って意見はコミュニティで誇張されすぎな気がする。それは俺が1話から週刊で読んでるのと、後からパート1を一気読みした人の差かも。あと「戦争の悪魔を殺す」って明確な目標があったのもある。
+12
WeirdAgile
原文
Yeah, honestly, after reading (and digesting) the end, part 2 seems so much more coherent to me and a lot of the stuff I thought was aimless just serve to push Denji towards this end now. As I mentioned aboth, looking back, ever since Denji's introduction of him wearing a CSM-T-shirt like a dork while trying to brag in an interview trying to get girls numbers this way, the direction was pretty clear.
うん、マジで、結末を読んで(消化して)からパート2がすごく一貫して見えるようになった。散漫だと思ってた部分も、全部デンジをこの結末に導くためだったんだな。さっきも書いたけど、振り返れば、ダサくチェンソーマンTシャツ着てるデンジの登場時からずっと…
+6
MetalliicMango
"Binge part 2" believers winning
「パート2は一気読み推し」派の勝利やん
+9
[deleted]
I haven’t re-read part 2 at all yeah. I re-read the first half of part 1 before the Reze movie but other than i’ve only experienced the manga serially. I wanna spend a couple more weeks processing and then it’s surely time for a re-read.
パート2はまだ再読してないんだよな。リゼ映画前にパート1前半は読み直したけど、あとは全部週刊で追っただけ。あと数週間消化してから、そろそろ再読するわ。
+4
flightofangels
Denji did not do this. He fucking sucks. He did not murderize Yoru, he tried to have sex with her instead, and then fought in a stupid matter that got him basically killed, and Pochita took the wheel. Denji did the exact opposite of this crap. Pochita bailed him out.
デンジはやってない。こいつダメだわ。戦争の悪魔を殺しもせず、セックスしようとした挙句、超下手くそな戦い方して死にかけて、ポチタがハンドル握ったんだ。デンジはこれと真逆のことしてた。ポチタが助けたんだ。
+36
Kego_Nova
My biggest issue is that, no, Denji didn't
It was Pochita who did
Which DEFEATS THE FUCKING POINT OF THAT EXTREMELY IMPORTANT CHARACTER DYNAMIC
最大の問題は、そう、デンジがやってないってこと。
+24
FriendLee93
原文
I don't see it as the prior Denji and Asa being "gone." They're overwritten, yeah, but the experiences they had throughout Part 2 carry over spiritually, as do the lessons they learned. I understand that not being satisfying to some people, but I personally find a lot of satisfaction in two broken teens who defined themselves by their devil halves now getting the opportunity to live as humans.
Pochita and Denji were essentially in a double-bind with the apocalypse. Denji was willing to keep fi
以前のデンジとアサが「消えた」とは思わない。上書きはされたけど、パート2で積み重ねた経験や学んだ教訓は、精神的に引き継がれてる。これで満足できない人もいるのは分かるけど、俺は傷だらけの二人が…
+25
WeirdAgile
Wssn't her plan to keep the apocalypse from happening by being eaten by Pochita? Ironically this is what caused the apocalypse, which seems like a classical 'misunderstanding the propgecy' trope.
彼女の計画って、ポチタに喰われることで黙示録を防ぐことじゃなかった?皮肉なことに、それが黙示録を引き起こしたわけで、典型的な「予言の誤解」パターンだな。
+13
FriendLee93
My read on it, which is only barely supported by the text, is that she basically 5D chess'd Pochita into eating himself after the prophecy seemed insistent on coming to pass
Remember, Lil D is the first one to bring up the idea of separating Denji and Pochita all the way back in the Falling Arc
俺の解釈(根拠はほぼないけど)は、彼女がポチタを5Dチェスで誘導して、どうしても実現しそうな予言の後に自らを喰わせるようにしたってこと。
+9
WeirdAgile
Seems possible as well. Death trying to bring Pochita (and Denji) to a point, where eating himself was the only way out. But everything about her pkan still seems messy. As much as I am starting to appreachiate part 2 and it‘s end, I still have a lot of trouble with this plotline.
それもあり得るな。死の悪魔がポチタ(とデンジ)を、自らを喰うしかない状況に追い込もうとしてたのかも。ただ、彼女の計画は全体的にまだごちゃっとしてる。パート2とその結末を評価し始めてはいるけど、このプロットラインにはまだかなり疑問がある。
+3
RealApersonn
原文
What does "carry over spiritually" even mean? The ending is essentially a window into an alternate universe where Pochita never existed, so yes, neither Denji nor Asa are corrupted by their devils here. But there's no development. The old Denji and Asa never found relief from their struggles, they were erased and replaced with a Denji and Asa who never struggled with the same issues.
Denji's development from Part 1, learning to willingly break free from Makima's control despite his infatuation,
「精神的に引き継ぐ」って結局何なの?エンディングはポチタが存在しなかったパラレルワールドを覗いてるようなもんでしょ。だから確かにここのデンジもアサも悪魔に侵されてない。でも成長はゼロ。過去のデンジとアサは苦しみから解放されず、消されて、同じ問題で悩まなかった別のデンジとアサに置き換えられただけ。それって…
+6
FriendLee93
原文
Would it be easier to understand if I said "their souls remember even if their minds dont?"
> The old Denji and Asa never found relief from their struggles, they were erased and replaced with a Denji and Asa who never struggled with the same issues.
We just have completely different understandings of how this works. Denji dropping the chainsaw to grab Asa is about as explicit a showcase of his growth as any. He saves her, not through violence, but through a simple act of kindness, and she t
「心は覚えてなくても魂は覚えてる」って言った方が分かりやすいかな?
+5
Mrgrayj_121
Yes but no?
そうだけど、違う?
+12
Inner-Bicycle4131
Neither of them ever got the chance to work though that trauma.🥲
二人ともそのトラウマと向き合う機会すら得られなかったんだよな…🥲
+11
wks_526
This moment was the best in the series and then became utterly pointless because of the ending, seeing this panel now feels like getting punched in the gut
この瞬間はシリーズ最高だったのに、エンディングで全て台無し。今このコマ見ると胃を殴られた気分だわ
+7
Greedy_Average_2532
Not really. No way they can have a normal life considering they're just back to square one and the Devils still exist to fuck everyone up.
If anything, they're worse now that they don't possess any powers. Even worse for Denji now that he's yet another mortal cannon fodder for Public Safety.
If they get in the presence of a Devil with a fearsome concept such as Gu
いや、違うだろ。振り出しに戻っただけで悪魔はまだ皆をボコしに来るんだから普通の生活なんて無理に決まってる。
+7
Ayy-lmao213
Didn't it already come to pass when the Bug Devils became super strong as the bugs started eating everything
虫の悪魔が全てを食い尽くすバグになって強くなった時点でもう起きてたんじゃないの?
+2
Greedy_Average_2532

原文
If 9/11 happens and I go back in time a month or so before the attack, do you think the twin towers won't blow this time?
**IF** Pochita's asspull power somehow altered this new timeline's prophecy (The same way he brought back Nayuta from the dead instead of Makima for some reason, or the same way he placed Power conveniently around the Yakuza zombies), then one would believe that they'll be safe from it.
If not, well... The clock is ticking.
もし9/11が起きて、俺が攻撃の1ヶ月くらい前にタイムスリップしたら、今度はツインタワーは爆発しないと思う?
+2
PotatoPotluck
原文
You have to remember, Denji's logic of "creating our own world", doesn't apply to Denji alone.
Yoru's world was one of endless war without death. Denji was basically trying to usurp Yoru's world to create his own. But this ended up in him committing even more to being "Chainsaw Man", and eating devils left and right. When she finally gives up, just like how Denji destroyed Yoru's world, another devil destroyed Denji's.
No idea is immortal or invincible. They will always be supplanted by anoth
忘れちゃダメだ、デンジの「自分たちの世界を作る」って論理はデンジだけの話じゃない。
+5
OldAssHoodie
原文
I mean would a normal life include the many and varied horrors and traumas from the previous life? Denji has been shown to be deeply traumatized since pt 1 and Asa would be the same after having the war devil use her body to commit countless unspeakable acts.
They got a do-over. It's been broadcasted multiple times through pt 2 that Denji wanted to go back to his old life and how he missed his friends. Pochita is not a miracle worker and he did the only thing he knew how to do. Unless you all
ってか普通の生活に前の人生の多種多様なホラーとトラウマは含まれるの?デンジは第1部から深く傷ついてるし、アサも戦争の悪魔に体を使われて数えきれないほどの言語道断な行為をさせられた後なら同じだろ。
+4
unhingedokkaner
I mean she IS there.
いや、彼女は確実にそこにいるよ。
+3
TheGreaterTool
Yes. The ending enjoyers followed the clues
そう。エンディングを楽しんだ人たちは伏線を追ってたんだ。
+3
MrPoraigon
Prob all that happen in the last chapter was meant to be a ultra hard and perfect throwback to this scene
But Fuji and Moto maded they choice and ended it way sooner and didn't had the time to relate one thing with the other
多分最終章のあの展開は、このシーンへの超絶ハードで完璧なオマージュになるはずだったんだよ
+2
KobeJuanKenobi9
Yes. Pochita gave them the opportunity to live the lives they always should have had. Chainsaw Man has been a fairly small chapter in both of their respective lives. Pochita created a new world where they can both develop in the directions they should have prior to their respective introductions to the story
そう。ポチタは彼らに、本来あるべきだった人生を生きる機会を与えた。チェンソーマンは二人それぞれの人生の中で、かなり短い一章でしかない。ポチタは、それぞれが悪魔と出会う前に本来進むべき方向に成長できる新しい世界を作ったんだ。
+2
MakimaGOAT
yea he did. well pochita did it for him
ああ、やったよ。っていうかポチタがデンジの代わりにやった感じ。
+2
Womboloto
Well pochita was reinvented in the now infamous page and since yoru regained her memories upon devils reinvention i would expect denji to remember as well.
ポチタはあの悪名高いページで再創造されたし、ヨルが悪魔の再創造で記憶を取り戻したように、デンジも覚えてると思うんだよね。
+1
Sirschmoopy545
原文
I don’t think that, that Asa and Denji are gone. I think we definitely see some implied influence of the previous events affecting the new events and characters. Specifically Nayuta existing as she did, meowy still having the bond with her. Powers quick take to have Denji form the contract which is unlike what we have seen from her before she had the original bond with Denji. Even the implied Pochita in Denjis heart. Going for a chainsaw as a weapon I would even argue is that influence from the
あのアサとデンジが消えたとは思わない。以前の出来事が新しい出来事やキャラに影響を与えてる暗示は確実にあると思う。具体的にはナユタがあの状態で存在してること、ニャーコが彼女と絆を持ってること。パワーがすぐにデンジと契約を結ぼうとしたこと…
+1
ArmoredAngel444
They did create a new world to be happy... this sub rn man..
彼らは幸せになるために新しい世界を作ったんだよ…このサブ今なんなの…
+1
2026.3.31 r/ChainsawMan
Denji became a country mouse despite saying he'd prefer to be the town mouse
物語の終盤を、デンジがかつて語った「田舎のネズミ」と「街のネズミ」の寓話に照らし合わせて考察する意見が寄せられています。
+432

the ending had me disappointed at first, but then it reminded me a lot of The Promised Neverland ending which I adored. really brings back the idea of the country vs town mouse, denji would have chosen the town mouse, yet pochita chose the country mouse for him. denji wanted to experience it all, all the happiness, sadness etc. While pochita wants to end the cycle of pain, he wanted to protect denji by keeping him in the country.
honestly the more i look at it, the nicer the bittersweet ending
最初はエンディングにガッカリしたんだけど、思い返すと約ネバの終わり方にすごく似てて、そこがめっちゃ好きだったんだよね。都会のネズミと田舎のネズミの寓話を思い出させるよね。デンジは都会のネズミを選んでたはずなのに、ポチタは彼のために田舎のネズミを選んだ。デンジは全部経験したかった、幸せも悲しみも全部。一方ポチタは苦しみの連鎖を断ち切って、田舎に留まることでデンジを守りたかったんだ。
正直、じっくり見れば見るほど、このほろ苦い終わり方、いい味出てるわ。
Frankorious
Looking back, I wonder if Makima made that story up or she genuinely knows a random farmer
振り返ってみると、マキマがその話をでっち上げたのか、それとも本当にどこかの農家を知ってたのか気になる
+209
lordwebgarlicbread
>looking back
>振り返ってみると
+260
sumr4ndo
Say that again
もう一度言ってみろ
+36
Freezil_G
Cause you were looking behind you...
お前が後ろを振り返ってたからさ…
+26
iMissEdgeTransit
She said she liked people, maybe some random dude was like her 8th husky.
彼女は人間が好きだって言ってたし、ある一般人が彼女の8匹目のハスキーみたいな存在だったのかもな
+33
Xenomorphian69420
ive seen people say it could be fami, but realistically its probably just fake and her wanting to be human
それがファミだって言う人も見たけど、現実的にはただの嘘で、人間になりたがってただけなんじゃないかな
+22
Frankorious
Yeah I know. Imagining Makima working with a shovel is funny though.
そうだよな。でもマキマがシャベル持って働いてる姿を想像するとなんか笑える
+7
LordAdri123
Supposedly that “friend” is Barem. We know the two of them had a history together even before all of this and it seemed like he genuinely believes in Makima’s cause.
その「友人」ってのはバレムらしいな。二人はこの前から因縁があったし、バレムはマキマの大義を本気で信じてるように見えた
+23
inika41
I honestly think she’s lying because she wanted to feel superior to Reze. Since she was aware of most of Reze’s interactions with Denji, she wanted to *take control* of the story Reze was telling him.
個人的には、レゼを見下したくて嘘ついたんだと思う。レゼがデンジと交わした会話のほとんどを把握してたから、レゼがデンジに語ってた話を*乗っ取り*たかったんじゃないかな
+11
XaeiIsareth
She knew Kashimo? CSM and JJK in the same universe?
マキマ、かしも知ってたの?チェンソーマンと呪術廻戦は同じ世界観?
+7
frelin87
I could see Makima volunteering in manual labor as a way to observe the human condition and better conceptualize why blue-collar work is so low in most social hierarchies.
マキマが肉体労働のボランティアをして、人間観察しつつ、なぜブルーカラー仕事が社会的に低く見られるのかを概念化してた、ってのはありえそう
+1
Totaliss
he's still fighting devils alongside power, this time without immortality. that's pretty dangerous town mouse shit
彼は今もパワーと一緒に悪魔と戦ってる、今度は不死身じゃないけどな。それってかなり危険な田舎もんファイトやろ
+128
Consistent-Ninja8440
That's what bugs me the most about this ending. We see throughout the manga several times Public Safety members die in the most quick and brutal ways. Even Denji himself dies and it's only because of Pochita and his contract that he's able to come back. He's not lasting a long time in the manga, he's going to live a very short life
この結末で一番引っかかるのがそこなんだよ。漫画の中で何度も公安のメンバーが一瞬で残酷に死んでるのを見てきた。デンジ本人だって死んでるし、ポチタとの契約があるから生き返れただけだ。この漫画の世界で長くは持たないよ、彼は'
+66
Exciting_Mine711
That's a normal life in the world of chainsaw man lmao. At the very least he can live life as himself and has his agency. Whether he lives a long or short life is up to interpretation but it's life on his terms.
チェンソーマンの世界ではそれが普通の人生だろw 少なくとも彼は自分らしく、自分の意思で生きてる。長生きするかどうかは解釈次第だけど、自分の条件で生きてるんだ
+35
ChanceDelivery6415
Not sure how much agency there is being the slave of a slave
奴隷の奴隷にどれだけ意思があるって言うんだ
+8
foxatwork
To be fair, alot of those deaths are *because* he is chainsawman. I think the only one that wasn't was katana man killing him
公平に言うと、あの死の多くは*チェンソーマンだから*だろ。違ったのは刀の魔人に殺された時くらいじゃないか
+11
bloodshed113094
He was being put on the most dangerous jobs because he was Chainsaw Man. The world ending calamities that kept coming were after Chainsaw Man. He'll likely be doing the same work he did for the Yakuza, but with better conditions.
彼が最も危険な仕事に就けられてたのはチェンソーマンだったからだ。世界を滅ぼす災厄もチェンソーマンを狙って来てた。多分、ヤクザの時と同じ仕事をするだろうけど、条件はマシになるさ
+7
MrKatzA4
Did you really just forgot that he got a new contract with power?
彼がパワーと新たな契約結んだのマジで忘れてんの?
+0
Initial_Environment6
well, that could give him wound resistance not immortality. So it's depend on his luck if he could life to retirement age like Kishibe. At least, no Makima trying to kill him.
まあ、それは不死身じゃなくて耐傷性を与えるだけかもな。だからキシベみたいに定年まで生きられるかは運次第だ。少なくともマキマが彼を殺そうとすることはないけど
+7
BEaSTPadwal15
The contract isn't really going to bring him back from let's say, being split in half is it?
契約で体真っ二つにされた奴を蘇らせるのは無理でしょ?
+3
WeirdAgile
But he seems to wish for a normal life now, at least judging from the way he looks at Asa and her classmates.
でも少なくともアサやクラスメイトを見る目から判断すると、今は普通の生活を望んでるみたいだね
+7
That_Geologist1255
He's still a town mouse because of that
だからこそ、あいつはまだ都会のネズミなんだよ
+2
lordwebgarlicbread
原文
(My bad if this is a repost for you, idk why my reply wont show up so ill send it again)
Makes sense, but imo the danger is much lower without chainsaw man and makima. Also I wouldn't be so sure about the immortality since power is shown to feed him blood to regenerate him. I thought this ability only worked on fiends/hybrids, and then the pochita heart shown too, this could suggest he is still a hybrid. But at the very least its confirmed that denji can regenerate, reducing his risks greatly
(既出だったらスマン、何故か返信表示されないから再送するわ)
+1
JakeFromStateFarm-
Chapter 1 Denji to Pochita, ending is just returning the promise
+1
Texter321
I mean many people have already said that the ending isn’t inherently bad. It’s how we got there that pisses so many people off
まあ多くの人が既に言ってるけど、エンディング自体が悪いわけじゃない。あの展開のたどり方にみんなキレてるんだよ
+31
Ceefier
For as meme'd as the phrase "Themes and such" is, it perfectly describes the ending and it's problem. Yeah, reading this in a summary the end probably works, but it is one that feels so... Unsatisfying. Like, you get what the author is going for, but it either feels like so much was left behind that could, or often should have been addressed.
「テーマとか」ってフレーズはネタにされてるけど、このエンディングとその問題を完璧に言い表してるよな。概要で読めば確かに成立する終わり方かもしれないけど、どうにも…物足りない。作者が目指してるものは分かるんだけど、あまりに多くのものが置き去りにされた感じがして
+17
lordwebgarlicbread
I agree that it was quite abrupt, definitely threw me off that it was all suddenly coming to an end, I respect that most didn't like that. Many have stated the csm is better as a binge read than a week to week chapter read, and chapter 232 alone is strange. But considering the whole plot, imo it makes sense to give it such an end
確かに唐突だったな、急に全部終わるのにはめっちゃ面喰らった。多くの人が好きじゃなかったのは理解できる。チェンソーマンは週刊より一気読みが向いてるって意見も多いし、232話だけ見ると確かに変だ。でも全体のプロットを考えると、個人的には…
+8
Texter321
I don’t know. I have actually Read the last Chapters more or less on a binge and the final fight just felt really weird. Like one moment you’re in the middle of the big fight and the next chapter everything just ends. Idk it just didn’t feel natural. Almost like a 200 times worse version of the Vinland saga ending(which doesn’t mean that the Vinland saga ending was bad)
わからん。俺実際に最終章をほぼ一気読みしたけど、最後の戦いはすごく奇妙に感じた。大戦闘の真っ最中かと思ったら、次の章でいきなり全部終わってるんだもん。自然じゃなかったよ。ヴィンランド・サガのエンディングの200倍酷いバージョンみたいな
+2
PreHenHen
原文
I think the story of the country mouse and town mouse in Chainsawman serves as a false dichotomy. We are presented with a simplistic fable about risk vs reward, but the story proves time and time again that you don’t get to choose what mouse you are, and that neither mouse is guaranteed safety. Aki was a country mouse as a kid but the gun devil still took everything (even though that’s “not fair” given the dichotomy presented in the fable). Power and angel are also country mice forced into publ
チェンソーマンの田舎ネズミと都会のネズミの話は、偽りの二項対立だと思う。リスク対報酬の単純な寓話が提示されるけど、物語は何度も証明してるだろ?自分がどっちのネズミになるか選べないし、どっちも安全は保証されないって。アキ…
+15
lordwebgarlicbread
Really nice description, and i agree - its not a path that someone gets to choose freely. Denji didnt choose this, it was pochita who decided for him
めっちゃ良い説明だな、同意。自由に選べる道じゃないよな。デンジが選んだわけじゃない、ポチタが決めたんだ
+5
G0ldlibarm
Love how you point out the false dichotomy of the fable.
The country and the city are both full of dangers, safety, treats and mundanity. It all depends on where you are and what you seek out.
It’s a question of perspective, what you value and what you’re willing to give up for it.
But it doesn’t matter in the end, because the country mouse and the city mouse are one and the same.
この寓話が偽りの二項対立って指摘するの最高だわ。
+1
dolosloki01
When I first started reading the manga after the first season of the anime ended I was still thinking Makima was on the level. This scene was the first time I realized she was bad news.
アニメ1期終わってからマンガ読み始めた時、俺もまだマキマを信じてた。このシーンで初めて「こいつヤバい」って気付いたわ
+6
Ok_ResolvE2119
Fujimoto worships the ideal of the mundane, which is that there isn't one. The mundanity of life is more worthy of existing than the life of higher highs. Like Denji loving Makima despite everything was a pretty good sign that he wasn't going to grow past a certain point.
藤本は「平凡の理想」を崇拝してる、って言うか「理想の平凡なんて無い」ってことだ。高い山より、日常の生活こそ存在する価値がある。デンジが何があってもマキマを愛し続けたのは、彼がある段階から成長しないってかなり良い暗示だったよな
+4
Pressureee666
yes the ending is a happy one, a second chance for Denji to avoid tragedies partially caused by him. Chapter 230 could totally be Denji/Pochita and Asa/Yoru got devoured by the bug devil without a way out, eternal pain in the stomach, end of story.
そう、エンディングはハッピーエンドだよ。デンジが自らも一因となった悲劇を避ける、第二のチャンスだ。第230話でデンジ/ポチタとアサ/戦争の悪魔が虫の悪魔に食われて出口なし、胃袋の中で永遠の苦痛、で物語終了もあり得たんだから
+5
lordwebgarlicbread
that would have been a really pathetic ending if yoru got defeated by some random devil. Imo this ending was executed quite well, bitter in the way that everything that happened is now just a memory to us, everything that was special between them is gone. But like you said, its a new beginning for denji, he can finally live the normal life pochita wanted for him
戦争の悪魔がどこかの雑魚悪魔に倒される終わり方とか超絶情けないわ。このエンディングは結構うまく実行されたと思うよ、今までの全てがただの記憶になったって意味で苦いけど。彼らの間の特別なものは全部消えた。でも言う通り、デンジには新たな始まりだ
+2
Implosion-X13
Well... It's not like he had any choice in the end. All agency was taken from him and he was just forcibly put into this final scenario.
まあ…結局彼に選択の余地はなかっただろ。全ての主体性を奪われて、この最終シナリオに無理やり放り込まれただけだ
+4
HoleFlat
Sorry, I got like flashbanged at the very beginning buy you saying you loved the promised neverland ending. What did u like about it??
ごめん、冒頭で「約ネバのエンディング好き」って言われてフラッシュバングしたわ。何が良かったの?
+4
lordwebgarlicbread
原文
It was an ending that broke me, i felt such a hole in my heart after finishing the series. It was such a wonderful manga, and the ending was so beautifully bittersweet - happy that the suffering has ended, but so disappointed with how the memories of it are gone, since its the memories and journey that gives it meaning. It was the most impactful series ending ive seen, never did a series ending have me feel like that. Bittersweet ending are now my favourite way to conclude a series, it first ha
心に穴が空くようなエンディングだった。読み終えた後、胸にぽっかり穴が空いたよ。素晴らしいマンガだったし、エンディングは美しく切なかった。苦しみが終わって嬉しい反面、思い出と旅路そのものが消えてしまったことにすごく失望した。だって思い出と過程こそが…
+2
CarelessPollution226
Pochita decided Denji wasn't built to be the city mouse, and tbh fair assessment.
ポチタはデンジが都会派じゃないと判断したんだな、まあ正論だわ
+3
Jakethecrazycake
He only did cause Pochita made him though
ポチタがそう仕向けたからやっただけやで
+3
Remarkable_Ship_4673
? At the end of the day Denji is still a city mouse. The story ends with him being a dog for public safety
?結局デンジは都会の鼠やん。物語は公共の安全のための犬として終わるし
+0
lordwebgarlicbread
原文
Just because he is literally in the city, doesnt make him a town mouse. Denji's past life was full of excitement - he had a "family", makima who he loved at the time, and the glory of being chainsaw man that he enjoyed. But being chainsaw man was what caused him to suffer, he was hunted down physically, but also endured so much emotional suffering. Now he's spared of all the pain, but also does not remember the beautiful moments he experience in his past life. Like a country mouse, he doesnt kno
物理的に街にいるからって都会の鼠とは限らんやろ。デンジの過去の生活は刺激的やった——「家族」もおったし、当時愛してたマキマもおった、チェンソーマンとしての栄光も楽しんでた。でもチェンソーマンであることが彼を苦しめたんや、物理的に狩られて
+1
Remarkable_Ship_4673
He's a devil hunter, 90% of his comrades will still die
彼はデビルハンターや、仲間の9割はまだ死ぬやろ
+1
Responsible-Camp8964
Very good possibility of himself still dying as well
自分もまだ死ぬ可能性めっちゃ高いで
+1
lordwebgarlicbread
原文
I dont mean country mouse literally, im talking about the emotional rollercoaster he was going through. The town mouse is described to have a more fuller life, more enjoyment which comes with risks - when denji was chainsaw man he got everything he wanted but at the same time was hurt several times. Pochita is preventing that suffering, he's no longer the exciting chainsaw man, but just a devil hunter which is likely equivalent to a police officer in their universe. He may still be in the city,
田舎の鼠って文字通りじゃなくて、彼が経験した感情のジェットコースターの話やねん。都会の鼠はより充実した人生、より多くの楽しみ(それに伴うリスク付き)を送ると描かれてる——デンジがチェンソーマンやった時、欲しいものは全部手に入れたけど、同時に何度も傷ついたやろ
+2
2026.3.31 r/ChainsawMan
General thoughts on the ending after a week of pondering my orb
完結から一週間が経ち、落ち着いて第2部全体を振り返った上での総合的な評価や、教会編以降の展開の急ぎ具合についての感想が共有されています。
+416
Csm part 2 is like a 6.5-7/10…
Csm part 2 is like a 6.5-7/10
I think up until the church arc its above part 1 in a lot of aspects
However its clear a lot of character development and plot lines were dropped at that point which lead to a messy last 3rd and fast ending
The ending I believe was planned to always be how the series ends and I think it makes sense in the overall story and I don't hate it nearly as much as most of reddit seems to hate it
The themes (and such) of part 2 is denji keeps making the wrong choice keeps wanting to be csm despite it hurting people he cares about. From his first part 2 appearance it is set up. Denji is trying to live less selfishly while Asa is trying to live more selfishly. Denji choosing to save a cat over people, Denji seeing Asa become a hero after the aquarium arc, Denji seeing his home burnt down, Denji losing Nayuta (which was a result of him wanting to be chainsawman), etc etc all leads up to him essentially failing and falling into a trap that is "being Chainsawman".
Asa on the other hand is trying to come to terms with living life more fully despite always seeming to fail at a crucial moment. The affect that her trauma of her mom killing her dad, her mom dying to a devil because she wanted to save a cat, that cat she saved being killed by her caretaker afterwards, etc etc is the main cause. She tries to hide it but deep down she wants to be included, but every time she comes to that realisation herself she falls and it causes her to retreat back into her shell. She realizes right before she dies that she could have lived a more fulfilling life only for Yoru to take over it. She gets to experience some things she wanted to like freindship, dating, even being a "hero" but the cost of that is Yoru putting her life at risk to achieve the goal of trying to kill chainsawman, someone who she becomes infatuated with. It kills her chances of leading the life she wanted but she still tries to sympathize with Yoru, she still hopes that after she completes Yoru's contract she can try to live again, and she still tries to save Denji from Yoru despite it putting her at even more risk to herself. Yoru's last words to her directly are "The things you think are sins are nothing in a devil's eyes" essentially saying to her that what was holding her back before Yoru took over in the bigger picture was nothing she couldnt overcome herself. When Asa gets her second chance in the new world, Denji (as Denji and not Chainsawman) is able to save Asa from tripping and killing bucky. She gets to have the realization with a full life ahead of her and not as a weapon.
Both these characters are "trying" to make the right choice, they are "trying" to do the right thing, but the circumstances of being Chainsawman or existing with Yoru make it impossible. Even Denji trying to save Asa/defeat Yoru in the end doesnt work because he doesnt do it as "Denji" he does it as "Chainsawman".
Pochita was okay with denji living his dream until it lead to the end of the world and only then did he interfere. He truly wants Denji to keep dreaming and keep living and even though he knew for a while being CSM for Denji was hurting him he never stopped him from living his dream till there was no other option left. Pochita did not choose for Denji, Pochita sacrificed himself so Denji could keep trying to be better which I think is a massive distinction that a lot of people are overlooking. And not only lets him "keep dreaming" at the cost of his own existence (which he doesnt know the outcome of eating himself btw he is deleting himself for a CHANCE for Denji to try again) but also lets him try without having the pressure of being "Chainsawman" and letting him just be Denji.
The ending also doesnt mean that the entire manga "doesnt matter" both in the context of the story or in terms of enjoyment. As the reader, part of enjoying the series is the journy not just were it ends up. What you feel reading is important even if its rage or disappointment (although I didnt feel either personally). In terms of a literary sense, its clear that the world reset carried over some aspects of the original world/timeline. It is implied that characters still feel similar ways about characters they originally did (Like how meowy is fond of Nayuta even tho they havent met in this timeline for more than a few days). It also leaves it open ended for a lot of characters to have a better life. I understand how you could hate this but I really am of the opinion in terms of endings it isn't remotely bad just sadly rushed.
The biggest fumble imo is Asa's ending but I can look past that and accept that the series fumbled the bag on some aspects. Asa and Yoru were very interesting and while looking back they did get a conclusion to their character stories you barely got to sit on it before the series ended (especially Yoru).
Did some shit get dropped, yes. Was the ending rushed, yes. Is it the worst ending oat and ruins part 1, fuck no.
Csm still overall a 8/10 if we talkin about the whole series (Part 1 is a 9/10 and Part 2 is like a 6.5ish/10 IMO), the anime is also peak, the fan art is peak, the music made for the anime is peak, fuck it has peak as fuck art style and is really like nothing else I have ever read and I have read a lot of manga. Nothing could make me think its even in the same tier as "bad" even with its flaws.
I think a lot of problems with modern Manga discussion is self fulfilling prophecy in this age of slander and agenda. Nothing is able to be view with any nuance or middle ground or analyzed deeper than glazing or hating, agenda pushing or slandering. JJK and JJK Modulo ended and I thought both endings were fine, yet when they dropped people were acting like it was the worst ending OAT. Same happened for Naruto, same happened for AoT (which I am not even a fan of but I dont think it ended poorly at all), and I fear online it will happen with every upcoming Manga. Like yall havent read fuckin Shaman King you dont know what a bad day is lol
Thank you... Chainsawman
チェンソーマン第2部はまあ6.5〜7点ってとこかな
教会編までは多くの面で第1部を上回ってると思うんだよね
ただあの時点でキャラ成長や伏線が大量に削られたのは明らかで、そのせいで終盤3分の1がごちゃついて急展開で終わっちゃった
結末自体は最初から決まってた終わり方だと思うし、全体のストーリーとしては納得できる。Redditで叩かれてるほど俺は嫌いじゃないわ
第2部のテーマは「デンジが間違った選択を繰り返し、大切な人を傷つけてもチェンソーマンであり続けようとする」ってとこだね。第2部初登場時から設定されてた通り、デンジは「より利他的に」、アサは「より利己的に」生きようとしてる。デンジが人間より猫を選んで救うシーン、水族館編後にヒーロー化するアサを目撃するシーン、焼け落ちた自宅を見るシーン、ナユタを失うシーン(これもチェンソーマンでありたいが故の結果)…全部が最終的に「失敗して『チェンソーマンであること』という罠にハマる」流れになってる
一方アサは「決定的瞬間でいつも失敗するのに、より充実して生きることを受け入れようとしてる」。トラウマの根源は、母が父を殺したこと、母が猫を救おうとして悪魔に殺されたこと、その救った猫がその後世話係に殺されたこと…。彼女はそれを隠してるけど、心底では人と関わりたいと思ってる。でも自分でそれに気づくたびに挫折し、殻に閉じこもっちゃう。死の直前に「もっと充実した人生を送れたはず」と気づくけど、その瞬間ヨルに乗っ取られる。友情、デート、ヒーローごっこ…彼女が望んでたことを少し経験できるけど、その代償は「チェンソーマン(彼女が夢中になる相手)殺害」というヨルの目的のために命を危険にさらすこと。望んでた人生を送る機会を奪われるけど、それでもヨルに共感しようとするし、契約履行後にはまた生き直せるって希望を持ち続ける。自分がさらに危険にさらされるのに、デンジをヨルから救おうとさえする。ヨルが最後に直接言った「お前が罪だと思ってることは悪魔の目には何でもない」って言葉は、乗っ取られる前に彼女を縛ってたものは、大局的には自分で克服できないものじゃなかったって示してるんだよね。新世界でセカンドチャンスを得たアサは、つまずいてバッキーを殺しそうになったところを(チェンソーマンじゃなく)デンジ本人に救われる。武器じゃなく、これからの人生を前にして、その真実に気づくんだ
二人とも「正しい選択」を「しようとして」、正しいことを「しようとして」る。でもチェンソーマンであることやヨルと共存してる状況がそれを不可能にしてる。最後にデンジがアサを救おう(ヨルを倒そう)としても失敗するのは、彼が「デンジ」としてじゃなく「チェンソーマン」として行動したからだ
ポチタは、デンジの夢が「終わり」に繋がるまでは、彼が夢を生きることを許してたんだ
roothockey
W analysis. In a vacuum, the ending is solid and probably the one that would make the most sense. It’s just clearly rushed. One commenter said it felt like there was just so much meat left on the bone which is how I feel. CSM was still a great read. Part 1 was perfection, and part 2 still had good arcs. Just really wish the ending was more fleshed out, but so it goes
鋭い分析だな。単体で見ればエンディングはしっかりしてるし、多分一番筋が通ってる結末だと思う。ただ明らかに駆け足だった。あるコメンテーターが「骨にまだたくさん肉が残ってる感じがする」って言ってたけど、まさにそれだわ。チェンソーマンはやっぱり最高の読書体験だった。第一部は完璧、第二部も良かったしな。
+95
Emergence7
Yeah, honestly feels like the story had at the minimum 10 more chapters
うん、マジで、あと最低10話は話があった感じがするわ。
+29
Man_Of_AnswersYT
原文
Yeah pretty much exactly how I feel after letting it sit.
The ending itself is "narratively logical." There isn't anything in the ending as far as it relates to Denji's quest for happiness that I think isn't supported or foreshadowed by preceding chapters. How it happens I take issue with and I feel like it needed a few more chapters to arrive at 231/232's events.
The only misstep I think that was made in the ending was not having Denji choose to have Pochita erase himself. It is the only co
うん、少し時間置いてみても、ほぼ同じ感想だな。
+19
Dazzling-Primary4909
原文
> that was made in the ending was not having Denji choose to have Pochita erase himself.
I think the reason why pochita was the one to make this choice was because denji wouldn't have accepted it. He would have tried to pick a *third option* again. And this is something he has done when given the option to make a choice without a sacrifice before. He refused to kill yoru aand have sex with her( he tried to pick the option where he gets to keep everything). Pochita realised how denji's choice
> エンディングでなされた決断は、デンジが自分でポチタに自分を消すよう選ばなかったことだ。
+17
cataraxis
原文
I literally could've just used a chapter or two of them just talking to each other, like real back and forth. Make Denji's hopeless attitude evident in the dialogue, then have Pochita do what he did instead of giving this paternal parable.
I have problems with the ending in itself, but as it is it would hit a lot harder if it was paced and composed better. Fujimoto literally took all moment of silence out of a song, and it just doesn't work.
マジで、あと1、2話、彼らがただ互いに話し合うシーンがあれば良かった。本当の意味での対話を。デンジの絶望的な態度を会話ではっきりさせて、それからポチタがあの父親みたいな寓話じゃなくて、実際にやったことをするようにすれば。
+13
Man_Of_AnswersYT
I can see the argument there, it just feels like it's another choice *made for* Denji when much of Part 1 I felt was trying to make his own choices for himself.
I absolutely see that as a valid interpretation of the moment, it just didn't do it for me.
その議論は分かるよ。ただ、第一部の多くがデンジが自分で選択することをテーマにしてたのに、またしてもデンジ*のために*なされた選択に感じるんだ。
+4
lichpit
This is the one part of the finale I think is excellent. He tee’d Denji up for that choice, and we were all waiting with bated breath to see if he FINALLY makes a new kind of choice, only for Pochita to hit the abort button because Denji keeps proving he will never stop trying to pick that third option as long as he can be Chainsawman.
これこそが最終回の中で素晴らしい部分だと思う。ポチタはデンジにその選択を用意させて、俺たちは息を殺して、彼が*ついに*新しい種類の選択をするのか見守ってた。だけど、デンジが第三の選択肢を選び続けることを決してやめないと証明し続けるから、ポチタが中止ボタンを押したんだ。
+2
urso_urso
Think this is the good take. I like the ending and ultimately thought it couldn't really end any other way, but I don't blame people who aren't satisfied overall with it even if I was.
これが正しい見方だと思う。エンディングは好きだし、結局これ以外の終わり方はなかったんじゃないかと思ってる。ただ、全体的に満足してない人たちを責める気もない。自分は満足したけど。
+1
ElementalHEROBigAnus
I have to ask, are you referencing Slaughterhouse Five at the end?
聞きたいんだけど、最後の部分って『スローターハウス5』を参照してる?
+1
gibbbehh
This is the most based review I’ve saw so far I wish I could give you 6k upvotes and sit you on the homepage brotha
今まで見た中で一番正論なレビューだわ。6千アップ投票してホームページに掲載したい気分だよ、ニキ。
+84
-Goatllama-
I vote for this as well
Pin those post up like the Curse Devil
俺もこれに賛成。
+6
zuzg
>textbook Shonen Finale
Deus Ex Machina followed by fluffy Fanservice that ignores every prior established continuity is not a known staple of Shonen finales.
The end point is not the issue, it's the two chapters that speedrun towards that conclusion..
>教科書的な少年ジャンプ最終回
+15
gibbbehh
Yeah it’s rushed no one is denying that I think the bigger argument is that the ending being unsatisfactory doesn’t suddenly ruin the story overall. Like personally ending aside I’d still say this is a great manga and a must read
うん、駆け足なのは否定しないよ。ただ、より大きな議論は、エンディングが不満足だからって突然ストーリー全体が台無しになるわけじゃないってことだと思う。個人的には、エンディングはさておき、これは偉大なマンガで必読作だと言うよ。
+2
The_Real_Baws
I mean he did give us a textbook shounen finale, every shounen that ended in the past fifteen years has had a mediocre to shit finale. CSM joins the ranks I guess
つまり、彼は教科書的な少年ジャンプ最終回をくれたってことだよ。過去15年に終わった少年ジャンプは全部、平凡からクソみたいな最終回だった。チェンソーマンも仲間入りってわけさ。
+3
Peperoniboi
CSM Part 1 is a masterpiece.
CSM Part 2 is an experiment that didn't pay off. Happens.
チェンソーマン第一部は傑作。
+30
redditrain777
Ye I get the bad ending leaving a sour taste but saying we wasted our time reading the series is too much
うん、エンディングが悪いと後味が悪くなるのは分かるけど、このシリーズを読んだ時間が無駄だったなんて言いすぎだよ。
+23
Shinkopeshon
Yeah, it's still a Top 3 series for me - the rushed ending prevented it from being a masterpiece but it's still a unique and deranged work of art unlike anything I've read before or since
うん、それでもトップ3に入るシリーズだよ。駆け足のエンディングが傑作になるのを妨げたけど、それでも独特で狂った芸術作品だ。これまで読んだこともこれから読むこともないような。
+7
Totaliss
原文
Meowy liking Nayuta implies she's a different existence than Makima, who cats hated. So we don't have to worry about that.
As for Asa, in the new reality, Bucky the chicken devil will be the catalyst for Asa fitting in and changing her outlook. In the first chapter of part 2, Bucky called out to Asa and she was touched that the chicken devil knows her name. She was having a genuine happy smile there before tripping. In this new timeline, she didn't trip (thanks Dennis!) so that positive develo
ニャーコがなゆたを気に入ってるってことは、猫に嫌われたマキマとは別の存在ってことだな。だからそれは心配しなくていい。
+21
AJDx14
原文
> I think the abrupt nature of 231 made people forget they were at a dead-end. death was gone, there was an insect apocalypse coming to end all civilization, and Denji was eaten. Pochita eating himself was their only out.
Most of your comment is whatever, but this kind of reasoning specifically for justifying lame writing is something I hate. I understand that the ending was the way it was, but Fujimoto wrote the whole thing it’s not like this was just a natural product of systems outside o
> 231話の唐突さが、彼らが行き詰まってたことをみんな忘れさせたんだと思う。死が消え、全ての文明を終わらせる昆虫黙示録が来ようとしてて、デンジは食べられてた。ポチタが自分を食べるしか抜け道はなかった。
+8
AkasahIhasakA
You have to add that Aki is not part of the team, which means he is living his normal life. Which also meant the Gun Devil never died to the Chainsaw Man in the Devil World hence he never really caused chaos in the Human World, making Aki have a happy ending, too!
アキがチームの一員じゃないってことも付け加えないと。つまり彼は普通の人生を送ってるってことだ。それはつまり、悪魔の世界で銃の悪魔がチェンソーマンに倒されなかったってことで、だから彼は人間界で本当の混乱を起こさなかった。アキにもハッピーエンドが来たってことだ!
+6
YourFriendlyRedditor
原文
I for sure agree ppl are dooming wayyyy harder over it than what’s reasonable. Like are we pretending to just forget all the theories a week ago about the panel of Denji’s dad actually somehow being how it would end for Denji? That shit was miserable af to consider and in comparison we got a very happy ending compared to that theory. Was stuff rushed, sure, but fortunately the animation studio with by far the most clout are adapting our manga for the screens, and historically they’ve been able t
マジで同意、みんな流石に落ち込みすぎだわ。一週間前まで「デンジの親父のあのコマが実はデンジの結末を暗示してた説」みたいなのバンバン出てたの忘れたフリすんの?あれマジで絶望的やつやったやん、比べたら今回のエンディングは超ハッピーやで
+15
Heavenly-Feeling
when you get a badly written ending but it's sad/tragic - "you just wanted a happy ending reee"
when you get a badly written ending but it's happy - "it's good because look, the main character and his friends are happy"
クソみたいなエンディングでも悲劇なら→「お前ハッピーエンドしか求めてないんだろwww」
+1
AzoraCross
I'm with you, man.
People also hated Evangelion's ending, and now it's considered GOATed, and you even see where it inspired Part 2's.
There's actual mid manga out there, with bad endings, bad dialogue, etc. Chainsaw Man, including Part 2, ain't one of 'em.
同意やでニキ。
+14
Heavenly-Feeling
原文
"People also hated Evangelion's ending, and now it's considered GOATed, and you even see where it inspired Part 2's" .. it is a bad ending narratively. Do you know why people just seem to "love" it now? Because a lot of time has passed. It happens with every bad ending out there. The haters just move on to other stories while only those who still love the show remain, shifting the narrative on the story.
Another reason is that End of evangelion came out which made a lot of "haters" just
「エヴァのエンディングも今じゃ史上最高」…あれは物語的に駄作や。なんで今「愛されて」るか分かる?単に時間が経ったからや。駄作エンディング全部に起こる現象や。アンチはただ…
+1
ravioliguy
原文
It just feels bad that Denji destroys the world and gets eaten. Then the only thing he cared about was not getting to fuck. Pochita says "yep, this guy is well adjusted and should make his own decisions" and resets the timeline.
It didn't feel like Denji grew or learned any lessons. Pochita made the last two biggest choices for him, Pochita ate Death and himself. And then the ending is "keep following your dreams" or "make your own decisions"?
The cat situation wasn't even related to chainsaw
ただ気分悪いのは、デンジが世界滅ぼして喰われたのに、彼が気にしてたことって結局ヤれなかったことだけやったってとこや。ポチタが「うん、こいつは健全やし自分で決めさせよう」ってタイムラインリセットするのもな。
+9
AkasahIhasakA
原文
Why would it feel bad? The way Denji got eaten was perfect and poetic, that exact moment is the same as his first transformation, and the reason why he wasn't able to transform was because that exact word/concept was eaten.
"If you're gonna get in our way, then die!" had been used in alot of pop culture and seeing it fail and became a death flag because death itself no longer exists as a concept is perfect.
"Getting to fuck" is Denji's ice breaker, he always uses it to do something else. Like
なんで気分悪いん?デンジが喰われるシーンは完璧で詩的やったやん。あの瞬間は最初の変身と全く同じやし、変身できなかった理由は「あの単語/概念」が喰われたからや。
+4
ElDuderino2112
原文
Part 2 Denji fucking hates himself ad has completely given up/been completely broken towards the end. You don't realize how little time passes reading the book weekly, but Denji breaks down at the mere thought that someone like Yoru/Asa would even still slightly like him after everything he has done and then the apocalypse happens almost immediately. He doesn't "grow" because he's at a dead end (both figuratively and literally at the end of the book). Pochita is trying to get him out of that dea
パート2のデンジはマジで自己嫌悪まみれで、終盤は完全に諦め/壊れ切ってる。週刊で読んでると時間の経過を実感しにくいけど、デンジは自分がしてきた全てを考えたら、ヨル/アサみたいな子がまだ少しでも自分を好きでいてくれるなんて思うだけで崩壊するんや…
+1
Drakemander
I just wish the story would have been a little bit longer. It’s a pity we won’t have part 3, I really wanted to see Kishibe and Reze again.
ただもう少し長く続いてほしかった。パート3がないのは残念、キシベとレゼにもう一度会いたかった。
+10
AkasahIhasakA
Oh yeah speaking of Reze
My only gripe is we never learned of the "Hybrids" true name. Since OG Chainsaw Man is gone, they should have been continuing to exist, again.
ああ、レゼと言えば
+4
rashy05
原文
I personally think that Fujimoto had planned the ending for a long time even before the release of part 2. I think the fact that he released Just Listen To The Song before Part 2 release makes me believe that he is aware how controversial Part 2 is going to be.
Do I like the ending? I see what he's going for and appreciate him for commiting to his vision, so yes I like it. I think the real issue about the ending is the execution and how rushed the final arc was to reach that ending, I didn't l
個人的には藤本先生はパート2発表前からずっとこのエンディングを計画してたと思う。「ただ歌を聴け」をパート2の前に出したことからも、パート2が物議を醸すことになるって自覚してたんやろな。
+8
AlternativeHealth296
原文
I don't hate the ending because of the "themes and such" or because it was pointless. I just think it was awfully done. Sudden. Unexplained. Pochita's powers were used in a WIDLY inconsistent way from the rest of the series. If they had taken the time to show why the world is how it is now and what happened to the characters we liked, it would have been better, imo.
Why did people revive this time? Why did it turn back time? Why is Nayuta there?
俺がエンディングを嫌いな理由は「テーマとか」や無意味やったからじゃない。単純に出来が酷いと思う。突然すぎる。説明不足。ポチタの能力が今までのシリーズとめちゃくちゃ矛盾してる。世界がどうなったか、なぜそうなったかの描写に時間をかけてれば…
+6
Aesion
I came to very similar conclusions regarding the themes and story, and I liked the ending. My biggest gripe really was that around the church arc and the falling devil attacks we saw a lot of characters that didn't really go anywhere. Not even necessarily plot points, just a purpose really. But still I consider CSM at least a 9/10 and I'm glad with what we got.
テーマや物語に関してはほぼ同じ結論に達してて、エンディングは好きや。一番の不満は教会編と落下の悪魔襲撃の辺りで、結局何にもならんキャラがたくさん出てきたことや。必ずしも伏線回収じゃなくても、存在意義が欲しかった。でもまあ…
+7
Material_Energy5565
Its the slight retcon of pochita’s power that was weird, when pochita ate devils they stopped existing from now and all memory is erased (yoru knowing jumping, headphones existing, death being eaten didn’t revive everyone who ever died)
Yet when pochita eats himself it recreated a whole new timeline where he never existed. So that was kinda asspully for the ending or inconsistent
ポチタの能力設定がちょっとリコンされてるのが気持ち悪いわ。ポチタが悪魔を喰うと「存在そのものが過去も含めて消え、記憶も消える」(ヨルがジャンプを知ってる、ヘッドホンが存在する、死が喰われても死者は蘇らない)はずやのに、
+4
AkasahIhasakA
原文
Which is consistent to what "Chainsaw Man" is.
He's essentially what All Devils fear made up. He's the boogeyman and his abilities rely on whatever the Devil thinks of their demise. So whatever asspull it is, it's because a group of Devils believed it to be his ability. Then you have to consider all the Devils he had eaten that is on screen and off screen. There might be a Devil that was eaten that when Chainsaw Man didn't exist would lead to this.
In any case that last Chapter isn't just in
それは「チェンソーマン」の本質に一貫してるんや。
+2
AkasahIhasakA
原文
I agree and I have to add
The world is also fucking peak. Both the Human World and Devil World have their own parasocial constructs, that the Chainsaw Man/ "Boogeyman" of the Devils not existing has made the Devil World alot calmer(proof is Nayuta is there instead of Makima. Which implies that Makima didn't kill herself in the Devil World to come over to the Human World, and that Aki isn't on the team means the Gun Devil never also died in the Devil World)
Besides it feeling "rushed" most of m
同意、そして補足するわ
+4
ElementalHEROBigAnus
The chapter where Asa remembers why she fell for the first time and Denji’s acceptance of her also being a parent killer is one of my fav moments of the ENTIRE series and even tho I wish she had a little more of an actual resolution at the end, I do like how it’s kinda a Part 6 ending of JoJo. Where the souls of the characters still feel something from before the reset.
アサが最初に恋した理由を思い出す章と、デンジが彼女もまた「親殺し」だと受け入れるシーンはシリーズ全体で一番好きな瞬間や。エンディングでもう少しアサの決着が欲しかったけど、ジョジョのパート6的な終わり方も悪くない。あれは…
+3
ToastPlusNine
This is a great summation of how I feel (even gave it the same score)
これマジで俺の気持ちを言い表してる(同じ点数付けたで)
+2
-Goatllama-
That shaman king line hit like ~~a dang truck~~ kobeni’s car
そのシャーマンキングの例え、マジで~~デカいトラック~~コベニの車級に効いたわ
+2
LegallyMade
If I hear the word themes one more time I'm going to have an aneurysm.
もう一度「テーマ」って言葉聞いたら脳血管破裂するわ。
+1
Ultraviolnce
原文
I agree but also No - it can be done right. I think we’ve all gotten so used to unsatisfying and rushed endings that coming up with think pieces where we put the pieces together where the mangaka refused is all we really do these days when a series ends.
But it can be done right. No spoilers but Hells Paradise has a very good ending and it’s not even a long manga.
The problem is that ‘all of a sudden’ the story is over after all this drawn out conflict and it makes it feel as if that ‘conclu
同意やけど、違う面もある。「正しく終わらせる」ことは可能や。みんな unsatisfying で駆け足のエンディングに慣れすぎて、作者が繋げなかったパズルを読者が代わりに考えるのが流行りになっとるけど、
+2
Arthquake
I thought it‘s a general consensus that the ending idea wasn‘t bad just the overall execution lackluster.
結末のアイデア自体は悪くないけど、全体的な描き方が微妙ってのが総意だと思ってた
+2
copper4eva
原文
It's a great ending in concept. Just was sadly not well executed.
Also it's clear while pochita sacrificing himself reversed all the destruction that occurred, it didn't reverse everything. Hence Nayuta being the way she is, rather than Makima.
So all of what Denji did raising Nayuta didn't come to naught. I think that was supposed to be a clear point. But since the ending was rushed it's not exactly clear.
コンセプトとしては最高の結末だよ。ただ残念ながら演出がイマイチだった。
+2
Generic_MC
I'd say something about your point on denji, but someone else already said it better than I could.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/s/b5NDdOBIAO
デンジについての君の指摘には何か言いたいけど、誰かがもう俺より上手く言い切ってくれてるわ。
+1
Halloween_Jack95
Great Post!
グレートな投稿だ!
+1
ElDuderino2112
原文
My advice is reread part 2 now that it's fully complete. The pacing feels a lot better and the ending feels less like it comes out of nowhere.
I have some things thematically I don't like about the ending, but I really believe Part 2 is a lot better than people give it credit for when you binge read it.
Binge reading it also makes you realize how obvious it is that Asa is a side character she gets side-lined almost immediately and its very obvious Yoru is the focus.
アドバイスとしては、パート2が完全に完結した今、読み直すことだな。一気読みするとペース感がだいぶ良くなるし、結末もいきなり感が減ると思う。
+1
kimmykadillak
原文
Very well said. I don't think this is a bad ending at all, and I agree that it's probably where he always wanted it to finish, but it's rushed. I think Fujimoto definitely just got tired of writing this series, and honestly, I applaud him for not just dropping it and instead at least *trying* to make it satisfying regardless if it's sped up. I would've loved to see a part 3, but if his heart isn't in it fr, I'll take a mercy killing. Thank you, Chainsaw Man! Still will always be my favorite seri
まさにその通りだわ。これは悪い結末とは全く思わないし、作者が最初から描きたかった終わり方なんだろうとも同意する。ただ、駆け足すぎる。藤本は間違いなくこのシリーズを書くのに疲れちゃったんだと思う。正直、投げ出さずに、少なくとも*やろうとした*こと自体は称賛するよ
+1
dukercrd
xXDibbs
原文
Imho the ending isn't bad but it kinda came out of nowhere and answered some questions while introducing several others.
For example: We know that the war devil has a vendetta against Pochita, so no pochita = no war devil looking for Asa.
No Pochita also means no Makima so Nayuta taking her place makes sense imho.
If War isn't there, then what about the Gun Devil, the Tank Devil and Aki?
In the original timeline, Power was already a devil hunter before Denji joined. So could it be that the G
個人的には結末は悪くないけど、ちょっと唐突な感じで、いくつかの疑問に答えつつ新たな疑問も生んでるよね。
+1
2026.3.31 r/ChainsawMan
I think Pochita never understood Denji’s suffering, he is still a devil after all
デンジの苦しみを本当に理解していたのかという観点から、悪魔であるポチタの本質と、終盤における彼の行動の意図について考察するスレッドです。
+308
Looking back, this feels somewhat antagonistic of Pochita. Denji wants to be happy with a normal life but his guilt (stepping on a bird) eats away at him, he doesn’t believe he deserves to be happy. The devil in his heart can’t comprehend guilt, so he turns it into desire (turning from a bird into Pochita) and asks Denji what his next dream will be. Denji essentially just said he wants to be done dreaming, but his heart (Pochita) won’t let him.
It’s easy to forget but Pochita is still a devil,
振り返ると、これってちょっとポチタが敵対的だよね。デンジは普通の幸せな生活を望んでるのに、罪悪感(鳥を踏んじゃったこと)が彼を蝕んでて、自分は幸せになる資格ないって思っちゃう。彼の心の中の悪魔は罪悪感を理解できないから、それを欲望に変えて(鳥からポチタに変身)、デンジに次の夢は何かって聞くんだ。デンジは基本的に「もう夢は終わりにしたい」って言っただけなのに、彼の心(ポチタ)はそれを許さない。
忘れがちだけど、ポチタはやっぱり悪魔なんだよな。
FriendLee93
原文
Totally disagree. Pochita understands Denji *better* than Denji understands himself. That's why he spends all of his appearances in Part 2 trying to remind Denji of his humanity, and coming out specifically when it's ripped away. That's why he eats himself in the end. He sees, clearer than Denji does, the suffering he's creating for his friend.
Asa and Yoru are meant to reflect that in the inverse. Yoru doesn't understand Asa, because Asa wastes her life agonizing over trivial shit that doesn't
完全に同意できない。ポチタはデンジ自身が自分を理解するよりも*より深く*デンジを理解してる。だからパート2でポチタは登場するたびにデンジに人間性を思い出させようとし、特にそれが奪われた時に現れる。最後に自分自身を喰らうのもそのため。デンジよりも明確に見てるんだ
+305
ventingandcrying
原文
I actually agree with a lot of what you said, but I think it’s wrong to view Pochita and Denji as two separate people
Pochita is Denji’s heart, so anytime we need to confront Denji’s feelings, I think we’re supposed to interpret Pochita’s thoughts and feelings. And vise versa, I think anytime Pochita speaks we can use those moments as a devil’s interpretation on human feelings
The same way as when Yoru does things in Asa’s body that gives us insight into Asa’s thoughts and feelings (ex. The al
言ってること多くは同意するけど、ポチタとデンジを別々の人間として見るのは違うと思う
+10
FriendLee93
原文
Yeah I agree with what you're saying here. I just don't agree with the original post. I don't think there was ever any part of Pochita that wanted Denji to suffer to the extent he did. That's why he tries over and over to convince Denji (in his own way because he still believes in Denji's autonomy) to stop being Chainsaw Man.
>I actually agree with a lot of what you said, but I think it’s wrong to view Pochita and Denji as two separate people
They both are and they aren't. They're tied to
うん、ここで言ってることは同意する。ただ元の投稿には同意できない。ポチタの一部に、デンジがあそこまで苦しむことを望んでいた部分は一切なかったと思う。だから何度もデンジを説得しようとする(デンジの自律性を信じてるから、ポチタなりの方法でだけど)
+9
FriendLee93
You're absolutely wrong about that. He's trying to reconnect with his friend in that moment by approaching him on the level of the things he told him he wanted. That *is* understanding Denji. He's just not understanding Kobeni.
そこは完全に間違ってる。あの瞬間、ポチタはデンジに話した「欲しいもの」のレベルで近づくことで、友達との絆を取り戻そうとしてる。それがデンジを*理解してる*ってこと。ただコベニを理解してないだけ。
+20
Chevy_Chevron
Something I’ve been chewing on is Pochita’s appearance. It’s been said that more human-like devils have a generally more positive view of humans (which may still be a twisted one, a la Makima). Pochita never appears as particularly human-like. He loves Denji, for sure, but I don’t think he ever expresses a love for humans.
Something to think about.
ずっと考えてることがポチタの外見。より人間に近い悪魔は概して人間に対して(歪んでても、マキマみたいに)好意的な見方を持ってると言われてる。ポチタは特に人間に似た姿では現れない。デンジを愛してるのは確かだけど、表に出してるとは思わ
+49
Captain_Trululu
Idk, deleting AIDs and Nazis sure seems like caring if even a bit for humans...
わからん、エイズやナチスを消すってのは、少なくとも少しは人間を気にかけてるように見えるけど...
+16
FriendLee93
原文
Even those, though, you can frame as a negative...which is insane to say as a descendent of Holocaust survivors lol. The idea of "temporal censorship" basically ties back to the recurring theme of happiness not having meaning without bad things to provide relativity to the good.
That's why Denji is doomed by the narrative simply by Pochita's existence. The ability to rewrite reality is a power that the world shouldn't have access to, and Pochita's mere existence means that Denji would always b
でもそれらも、ネガティブに解釈できる…ホロコースト生存者の子孫として言うのも狂ってるけどw。「時間的な検閲」の概念は、基本的に、良いことの相対性を提供する悪いことがなければ幸福に意味がないという繰り返されるテーマに繋がる。
+12
badpiggy490
It's basically this
There would always be someone who wants to come after Denji for being Chainsawman, and Denji would be fine with it because it would be a great reason for him to become Chainsawman and forget about all of his other problems
基本的にこれだな
+2
Chevy_Chevron
We lack context for those events, though. For all we know; the Nuke Devil was beating the snot out of the Nazi Devil for whatever reason, the Nazi Devil called for help, then Chainsaw Man showed up and killed both of them as he is wont to do.
ただ、あの出来事については文脈が足りない。我々が知る限りでは、核悪魔が何らかの理由でナチス悪魔をボコボコにしてて、ナチス悪魔が助けを求め、そしたらチェンソーマンが現れて、いつものように両方殺したのかもしれない。
+5
FriendLee93
原文
Nah that's still not the same thing. Firstly because the implication at the end of Part 1 is that Pochita's "killing those who call for help" was just him trying to hug them while being "too strong"
Killing them is also not the same as eating them. We've seen repeated examples of how he straight up refuses to erase certain things, and everything Makima lists off is something inherently harmful to humanity.
いや、それでも同じことにはならない。まず、パート1の終わりで示唆されてるのは、ポチタの「助けを求める者を殺す」ってのは、単に「強すぎる」ながら彼らを抱きしめようとしてただけだってこと。
+3
Hairy-Conference-802
Maybe the real devil is Fujimoto all along
もしかしたら本当の悪魔は藤本タツキなのかもしれない
+21
Initial_Environment6
The author devil
作者悪魔
+5
juasjuasie
I hate we dehumanize devils, I hate we dehumanize devils, I hate we dehumanize devils, I hate we dehumanize devils, I hate we dehumanize devils, I hate we dehumanize devils, I hate we dehumanize devils, I hate we dehumanize devils, I hate we dehumanize devils, I hate we dehumanize devils, I hate we dehumanize devils.
悪魔を非人間化するのやめてほしい、悪魔を非人間化するのやめてほしい、悪魔を非人間化するのやめてほしい、悪魔を非人間化するのやめてほしい、悪魔を非人間化するのやめてほしい、悪魔を非人間化するのやめてほしい、悪魔を非人間化するのやめてほしい、悪魔を非人間化するのやめてほしい、悪魔を非人間化するのやめてほしい、悪魔を非人間化するのやめてほしい、悪魔を
+12
Fayraz8729
Bro have you been reading the shit in Braille? Devils definitely aren’t human they’re a parasitic species that feeds of human fear from another dimension.
The number of “good” devils can be counted on 1 hand and initially they had to coerced with violence. Devils are leeches of the human psyche
ニキ、お前点字で読んでたんか?w 悪魔は明らかに人間じゃないぞ。別次元から人間の恐怖を糧にする寄生種だ。
+33
FriendLee93
原文
You missed the entire point of the series, holy shit. It's nurture, not nature that defines a Devil. Power became "domesticated" and a genuinely loving friend willing to sacrifice herself for her buddy. Nayuta abandoned her Control Devil nature after acquiring the family she always dreamt of.
Devils are *not* inherently evil, just like humans aren't inherently good. Everything in this series exists in shades of gray.
マジで作品の要点を完全に見逃してるな。悪魔を定義するのは「育ち」であって「性質」じゃない。パワーは「飼い慣らされ」、本当に愛に満ちた、相棒のために自分を犠牲にすることを厭わない友達になった。ナユタは、ずっと夢見てた家族を得た後、支配の悪魔としての性質を捨てた。
+37
Captain_Trululu
Yeah, Angel, Chicken, Fire and Quanxi girlfriends are also examples of Devils able to bond with humans.
そうだな、エンジェル、チキン、火、クァンシーの彼女たちも、人間と絆を結べる悪魔の例だ。
+10
RX-HER0
Even Fire Devil started to conspire to save humanity after being saved by the two devils.
Edit: mb I meant brothers
火の悪魔でさえ、あの二人の悪魔(編集:間違えた、兄弟だ)に救われた後、人類を救おうと画策し始めた。
+6
lluck1
原文
FULLY AGREE like goddam
We also have the ongoing theme in part 1 of Denji feeling more like a devil than a human (he gets reassured when he cries with Makima in the cinema, before learning that she's a devil).
Most readers take Pochita to be the voice of truth in the manga, the one with the answers, but I think that's a shallow reading.
Yes, Pochita loves Denji and ate itself as a gift to Denji... and yes, Pochita is a devil who can't truly be trusted to understand humans and human growth.
完全に同意、マジでな
+8
ventingandcrying
原文
I said it in another comment a while back, but Part 1 ended with the Control devil explicitly saying she will remove all “bad things” from her perfect world, so Chainsaw Man, the epitome of chaos but also autonomy in a world ruled by fears, kills the control devil. To me that’s a pretty explicit message on the nature of control, choice, and the nature of suffering being a natural part of life
In contrast, Part 2 has multiple character moments where it feels like you gotta read between the lines
Initial_Environment6
Pochita may not understand humanity but he understand Denji after he became his heart.
How was it again? "You could lie to yourself but you can't lie to your heat".
Denji became delusion and compromised in the manga but Pochita as his heart understand what Denji desired the most. Because, duh he was his heart.
ポチタは人間性は理解できんかもやけど、デンジの心臓になった後はデンジのことは理解してるんや。
+4
badpiggy490
I agree about your consensus on the manga, but I disagree about Pochita
It's not that he's the voice of truth. It's just that he's the only one who really listened to Denji. He may not understand humans as a whole, but he understands Denji. That's exactly why he pops up throughout P2 asking Denji what he really wants.
漫画についての共通認識には同意やけど、ポチタについては同意できへん
+1
navagrw
Man I miss Pochita
ポチタ懐かしいわー
+3
tesseracts
Pochita does cause Denji to suffer, but I don't see why you think he enjoys watching Denji suffer. He is relatively neutral until the last chapter, he wants to grant any of Denji's desires without judgement or question. He cares for Denji and wants him to be happy, which is why he wants to be hugged, something he does in both the first and last chapter.
ポチタは確かにデンジを苦しめてるけど、デンジが苦しむのを楽しんでるとは思えんわ。最終章までは割と中立やったやん。デンジの望みを、判断や疑問なしに叶えようとしてた。デンジのことを気にかけて幸せになってほしいから、ハグしてほしいって言うんや。
+2
ventingandcrying
原文
Remember the scene in the Reze movie where Aki asks the Angel devil to end a dying devil hunter’s life so he won’t have to suffer? Angel’s response is something like “I may be an Angel but I’m still a devil, I enjoy seeing humans suffer.” Either Power or Makima said something similar where they said that hating humans is inherent to a devil’s nature
If even Angel, who clearly doesn’t like killing people, would still want to watch a human suffer, then I think it’s reasonable to assume that Pochi
レゼ映画のシーン覚えてる?アキが瀕死のデビルハンターの苦しみを終わらせてくれってエンジェルデビルに頼むとこ。エンジェルの返事が「天使やけどデビルやからな、人間が苦しむの見るのは好きや」って感じやった。パワーかマキマも似たようなこと言うてたよな、
+1
tesseracts
原文
I remember that scene, but I'm not sure I believe him. Angel's actions don't indicate he wants people to suffer or enjoys seeing it. Angel formed strong connections with humans before Makima ruined it for him, and he might be trying to be callous to distance himself from that pain. He mostly seems depressed like he doesn't want to do anything and also doesn't want to live.
Pochita definitely seems ominous and sinister in some scenes. Most notably the scene when he asked Denji what his "next dr
そのシーン覚えてるけど、あのセリフは本当か怪しいわ。エンジェルの行動を見る限り、人が苦しむのを望んだり楽しんだりしてるようには見えん。マキマに台無しにされる前は人間と強い絆を築いてたし、その痛みから距離を置くために無情を装ってるだけかも。基本はむしろ
+1
Initial_Environment6
Devil may not understand Human. But that's why Pochita tried and ended up became Denji heart to understand. As Denji heart, he may still not understand other humans but he 100% understand Denji.
'You can lie to yourself but you can't lie to your heart"
デビルは人間を理解できへん。でもポチタは理解しようとして、結局デンジの心臓になることで理解したんや。デンジの心臓として、他の人間はまだ理解できへんかもやけど、デンジのことは100%理解してる。
+1
ghosthorse48
Muy buen argumento!! Si tan solo hubiera sido escrito en el manga!
めっちゃ良い議論やんけ!!漫画でそう描かれてたらなあ!
+1
FriendLee93
I don't think it's entirely fair to say Denji brought it on himself. It wasn't that simple. Denji was trapped simply by nature of Pochita existing. That's why he erases himself in the end. He's giving his buddy a true opportunity at freedom for the first time.
全部デンジが自業自得って言うのはあんまり公平じゃないと思うわ。そんな単純な話ちゃうねん。デンジはポチタが存在するってだけで、もう囚われとったんや。だからポチタは最後に自分を消すねん。相棒に初めて本当の自由へのチャンスをあげるためや。
+22
Topool45
It does matter. It's a discussion. Still think it's wrong tho.
+4
Efficient_Meat2286
I know, it's a thought-ending cliche.
I just say it as a coping mechanism.
知ってるわ、思考停止させる決まり文句やねん。
+1
完結直後の熱気の中で、第2部の「オーラ」の有無からキャラクター解釈、さらには実写コスプレまで、多岐にわたる話題でファンたちが盛り上がった一週間でした。