BlackRockLarryFink
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There has been a lot of yapping considering these three and this page.…
There has been a lot of yapping considering these three and this page.

Before the world was fucked, the four horseman were probably the strongest devils in the universal hierarchy.

When death is removed, there becomes a massive power vacuum leading to new complex fears and negative feelings we probably can’t imagine.

These three are the embodiment of those horrors beyond our imagination. All three, (or the one who one shots Dennis) are probably the Great King of Terror.

Ultimately, (up ti

この3人とこのページに関しては、かなり盛り上がってるよねw

世界がめちゃくちゃになる前は、四騎士が宇宙の階層で最強の悪魔だったはず。

「死」が消えたら、でかいパワーバキュームが生まれて、俺らには想像もつかない新しい複雑な恐怖やネガティブな感情が生まれる。

この3人は、そんな想像を超えたホラーの化身だと思う。全員（もしくはデニスを一撃で倒すヤツ）がおそらく「恐怖の大王」なんだよ。

結局のところ、（今のところ）

LLachiee +1324
I’m gonna be honest with how things were heading it really looked like famine would have some big role to play or something… alongside all these stronger devils cause of the bugs/locusts/whatever

idk felt like it wasn’t finished properly.

正直、流れ的に飢饉の悪魔がなんか超大物になるかと思ってた…バッタとか虫系のヤバい悪魔が続々出てきたし。なんかちゃんと描き切れてない感あるわ
Delhiiboy123 +513
Well it definitely wasn’t finished properly. We could’ve gotten at least 5 more chapters.
絶対ちゃんと終わってないわ。あと5話は余裕で描けたでしょ
LLachiee +302
Like even how this panel is set out. These 3 devils seem to be particularly more important than the rest of them that you see. And then it’s all just… not even covered? one of them just blitz’s him
このコマの構図見てもさ、こっちの3体の悪魔が他より重要そうに見えるじゃん？なのに全部スルー…？一体が瞬殺するだけ
JustAttacked +113
Yeah it feels almost like this page was meant to introduce them, just for the manga to end 2 chapters later without them being featured ever again.
それな。このページって彼らを紹介するためのものだったはずなのに、2話後に唐突に終わって二度と出てこないんだもん
Saurid +101
Its why people are confused and disappointed, liek…
Its why people are confused and disappointed, liek this doenst feel like a rushed ending, because its a straight up cut.

One moment “we have a plan and a story planned out” to “whelp gotta kill CSM and then end the story”. Its why the cope “this is not the real end” isnt complete bullshit. There are so many hints and possibilities in these last 3 chapters taht it makes sense it was a fakeout.

But who is crazy enough to say “whelp this is the end of my story see you in my next work” and just p

だからみんな混乱してガッカリしてるんだよ。急ぎ終わらせた感じじゃなくて、完全にブチ切れだもん。「計画もストーリーも練ってる」って言ってたのに、いきなり「チェンソーマン殺して終わり！」だもんな。「これが本当の終わりじゃない」って希望的観測もまんざら嘘じゃないわけ
Noriaki_Kakyoin_OwO +4
Maybe 5 chapters spaced out over 10 weeks at least?
せめて10週に5話ペースくらいでやれなかったの？
fightingbronze +62
People are making all these theories trying to explain the ending but I’m 99% sure the answer is just that Fujimoto got burnt out and rushed an ending without considering most things. It sucks but I’m fairly confident that’s our reality. Im not even upset, more sympathetic. Burnout is a bitch and its rough for something you were once passionate about to feel like a chore.
みんな終わり方を説明しようと理論こねてるけど、99%ただの藤本バーンアウト説でしょ。ほとんど考慮せずに急いで終わらせたんだ。最悪だけど、それが現実だと思う。怒るよりむしろ同情するわ。バーンアウトはほんと鬼だし…
JinkoTheMan +38
Yeah. People refused to admit but he’s been on a downward spiral for a long time now. I’m just curious about what made him finally snap and go “fuck this shit. I’m writing the last chapter now.”
そう。認めたくない人もいるけど、彼はずっとスランプだったんだよ。ただ、何が最後の引き金になって「もう無理、今すぐ最終回書く」ってなったのかは気になる
Peshurian +21
I think he got burnt out but also kinda realized that the direction part 2 took just wasn’t working out and pulled the plug. The ending leaves things open enough to give it another shot down the line.
バーンアウトもあったけど、第二部の方向性がうまくいってないと気づいて打ち切ったんだと思う。終わり方は再開できるように曖昧にしてあるし
SweetOrganization935 +21
I thought exactly that while reading things about …
I thought exactly that while reading things about CSM on Twitter in comparison to what is discussed here.

For me, you know what’s the funniest thing? (saying this as someone from within the fandom in the last 6 years) is that some CSM fans are the only ones who will still say that there’s a deeper meaning, subtext, subjectivity, or symbolism in that ending simply because it’s a Fujimoto work. Simply because he’s the author who produced Fire Punch and incredible one-shots for us, so it’s hard to

Twitterのチェンソーマン議論とここでの議論を比べてて、まさにそう思ったよ。
flamebroiledpuppies +5
Unbelievably refreshing comment
超清々しいコメントだわ
sartnow +35
Definitely, because once there isn’t anymore humans to feed off, the creature would resort to cannibalism and skyrocket the fear of famine, because there’s no more food and no more death, only an endless famine.

To think War devil thought an endless war would be stronger than endless famine XD she’s not that bright all things considered

確実にそうだわ。人間がいなくなったら、あの生物は共食い始めて飢饉への恐怖が爆上がりする。食べ物も死もなくて、ただ飢えが続くだけなんだから。戦争の悪魔が永遠の戦争の方が永遠の飢饉より強いなんて思ってたのかよw
buffility +9
tbh noone or barely anyone would have predicted bugs would be such a big problem in a death-less world.
マジで、不死の世界で虫が超大問題になるなんて誰も予想できなかったでしょ
Shermico +770
The Silksong Devil, the Gloryhole Devil and some ugly ass mf
シルクソングの悪魔と、グロリーホールの悪魔と、なんかキモい奴
Totheendofsin +186
The reader devil
読者悪魔
lochnah +88
Reading comprehension devil, Chainsaw man final boss
読解力悪魔、チェンソーマンラスボス
Hetares +13
Reading Comprehension Devil would no diff Darkness Devil, it’s merged with the Reading Comprehension Special Grade Curse from JJK.
読解力悪魔なら闇の悪魔一瞬で倒すわ。呪術の読解力特級呪霊と合体してるし
ImLonenyNunlovable +12
The-manga-is-coming-to-an-end devil
漫画が終わる悪魔
70MCKing +15
Second one is clearly the Fred Durst devil
二番目は明らかにフレッド・ダースト悪魔だろ
the_onlyretr0 +468
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Flauschziege +273
Honestly.

The left one is the weirdest, because it doesn’t fit.

It’s at the same time:

-Flesh
-Machine
-Human
-Crescent Moon

You could argue it’s the nightmare devil, but then why is it a machine?

Considering how obvious most other devil’s look to their concept, that one is just weird because it isn’t obvious at all.

マジで。
SaintJiminy +189
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Idk maybe something to do with this, themes and such.
TheSeekerOfChaos +45
Thank you, Blade Runner
ブレードランナーありがとな
PM_ME_YOUR_HOLOCRONS +25
Blade Runner?
ブレードランナー？
AtmosphereOk1127 +38
Pretty sure it’s supposed to be a Rhinoceros Beetle which are known for their iron like body and crescent horns.
多分カブトムシの悪魔だと思うわ。鉄みたいな体と三日月の角で有名だし。
Purasangre +32
I think it’s because the design process for that one was backwards, start with hornet from silksong and add stuff until it’s not as obviously recognizeable
デザイン過程が逆だったからじゃね？シルクソングのホーネットをベースに、原型がわからなくなるまで要素を足したんだと思う。
HellishK9 +21
With the arms and crescent moon head, it looks kinda like a dream catcher honestly.
あの腕と三日月頭、正直ドリームキャッチャーに似てるわ。
Flauschziege +17
Might be that in combination with “The Watchman” or the “Man in the Moon”.

Both have connections to wishes – and both would explain the rubber boots as well.

「見張り番」とか「月の男」との組み合わせかも。
d_Lac +16
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What if it’s something that Chainsaw Man ate?
Margbon_ +5
Wait so, are all these devils back again now that pochita never existed?
待てよ、ポチタが存在しなかったってことは、これらの悪魔全部が復活したってこと？
badpiggy490 +10
Part of me thinks the first one is still an insect devil since it’s head looks more like the mandibles of a beetle in a way
個人的には最初のやつはまだ昆虫の悪魔だと思う。頭の形がなんかカブトムシの大顎に似てるし。
saltinstiens_monster +7
They’re based on human associations with specific words, right?

Maybe that’s the “Drone” devil? That calls to mind “warrior” insects with no regard for their own wellbeing, just that of their queen. It can also mean a robot, or an ominous humming sound.

悪魔って特定の言葉に対する人間の連想が元になってるんだよな？
NotYourColdPerson +119
probably just some designs that fujimoto cooked up when he decided the story wasnt ending as soon
多分ただ、藤本が話をすぐ終わらせないって決めた時にでっち上げたデザインなんじゃね？
AskGoverntale +113
I’m theorizing that the three of them are the new …
I’m theorizing that the three of them are the new “ends of life” or at least, the closest approximation to the end of life one can reach.

The moon one with technological legs might be the Comatose Devil. A coma is something that would cause people to reach a hypothetical “ending”, plus, if they did punch Denji out, it’s possible he was just put into a Coma.

The mouth might be the fear of Consumption, since, as we’re seeing with the vermin, thats what’s happening to most of humanity. Being ea

俺の仮説だけど、こいつら三人は新たな「人生の終わり」、少なくとも人が到達しうる終末に一番近い存在なんじゃないか。
Baloo_360 +30
Honestly it being the Comatose Devil makes much more sense than the Nightmare Devil theory. It’s machine body could be explained by the hospital equipment present when one is inside a coma, and an Comatose would be much scarier without death, since you could simply never wake up, but neither die.
正直、悪夢の悪魔説より昏睡の悪魔説の方がずっと納得いくわ。機械の体は昏睡状態の時にある病院の設備で説明できるし、昏睡は死より怖いかもな。二度と目覚めないけど、死にもしないんだから。
BlackRockLarryFink +11
This is a great follow up.
これすごくいい続きの考察だわ。
Cyclops-hammer +6
The branch devil could also just be a tree guy. The aging devil showed us humans turn into trees after a long enough time.
枝の悪魔はただの樹木男でもいいんじゃね？老化の悪魔で人間が長い時間かけて木に変わるの見たし。
Zetta_Stoned +67
Really wish we knew more about these guys or even saw the full picture of them
こいつらの詳細や全身図がもっと知りたいんだけどなぁ。
model_namakemono +54
Middle one being Anal fissure devil🥲
真ん中が肛門裂傷の悪魔とか🥲
Ptony_oliver +38
We’re never gonna know who these guys are, what they represent, how exactly they became the new primal fears in such a short time.

I seriously don’t know why so many people keep defending this ending.

こいつらが誰で、何を象徴して、どうやってこんな短期間で新たな根源的恐怖になったのか、結局わからんまま終わるんだよな。
AzorAhai1TK +29
This is such a nothing burger complaint. Why do we need the names and back stories of all of them, when they clearly represent insects that are devouring the world? Like we don’t need more info we got exactly what we needed

This might be like the single most bizarre complaint I’ve heard??

これ超どうでもいい文句だわ。世界を食い尽くす虫って明確なのに、全員の名前やバックストーリーが必要か？これ以上情報いらんし、必要なものは全部得てる。
RochHoch +8
Y’all are missing the point. We’re NOT SUPPOSED to…
Y’all are missing the point. We’re NOT SUPPOSED to know what these devils are, they’re unspeakable horrors born in a world where the concept of death doesn’t exist, they’re beyond our rational understanding.

The ending isn’t perfect, it’s flawed and deserving of critique, but whining about intentional ambiguity is just a stupid complaint. Not everything needs to be explained and spoonfed to the audience

みんな要点を理解してない。これらの悪魔が何かは「知るはずがない」んだよ。死の概念が存在しない世界に生まれた、言葉にできない恐怖で、我々の理性では理解を超えてる。
Dat_guy696 +36
I like to think the left one is related to time as…
I like to think the left one is related to time as people is afraid of perpetual agony wondering when Will it end fearing how long Will it last and at least would explain the mechanical parts. If it’s truly insect related then must be from one of several insect perks.

The second one i like to think has to do with environmental hazards and global warm after all there are a shit ton of nukes and crazy stuff going around the world. Could also ve related to swarms.

The third one i like to think is

左のは時間関連かなーって思ってる。終わりの見えない苦痛がいつまで続くかっていう恐怖が、あの機械部品の説明になるし。もし虫関連なら、虫の特性のどれかから来てるんだろうな。
kellerWB +25
Nothing about this ending is ok. So many tiny little plot points and characters that never went anywhere
この結末、納得いかん点だらけだ。細かい伏線やキャラが全然回収されてない。
Boguffyy +5
Holy shit can we not even fucking talk about it?

“NO IT’S SHIT. IT’S SHIT SHUT UP IT’S SHIT. IT’S SHIT IT’S SHIT IT’S SHIT.”

No discussion. Nothing. The post wasn’t even defending the ending it’s just talking about the fucking manga. Stop spitting your fucking dummy out

マジでもうこれについて話すことすらできないの？
Cert_Dako +20
My only issue with the idea that these three are the Great King of Terror, is that we have had a bunch of characters straight up say that the King of Terror is death, with no room for assumptions or ambiguity.

Nayuta literally says “We know she will descend because its our sister” -> not -> “We believe the King of Terror is refering to our sister”

この3体が「恐怖の大王」って説で唯一引っかかるのは、これまで何人ものキャラが「恐怖の大王＝死」だと明確に発言してて、誤解や曖昧さの余地がなかったことだ。
ThePhilosophic +7
Kinda makes sense if Denji was the great king of terror tho
でもデンジが恐怖の大王だとしたら納得いくかも
AshCrow97 +12
What if the moon headed dude is the Nightmare devil and the last chapter is just Dennis allucinating/dreaming because he is still inside the nightmare devil
月頭の奴が悪夢の悪魔で、最終章はデニスがまだ悪夢の悪魔の中にいるから見てる幻覚or夢って可能性は？
riningear +10
This is all why I think the story was always going this way. The world-state was increasingly irrevocable, and combined with Denji’s stubbornness, there was no going back to it except what Pochita did.
だからこそ、物語は最初からこの方向性だったと思う。世界の状態はどんどん取り返しがつかなくなり、デンジの頑固さも相まって、ポチタがやったこと以外に戻る方法はなかった。
DumbestComicsNerd +8
Theyre probably just random designs Fujimoto thoug…
Theyre probably just random designs Fujimoto thought up because hype moments and aura. But if I had to give them some sort of meaning..

1. Nightmare Devil. Crescent head to refer to the moon (night), artificial stubby doll legs to refer to paralysis and a cloak of arms to represent a hospital scrub. It rises to prominence because what happens when the human body is totally destroyed after death was erased is a never-ending coma. A constant nightmare.

2. Reproduction/Sex Devil. Literally a gian

多分フジモトがカッコいいからって適当にデザインしただけだと思う。けど無理やり意味づけするなら…
Urinius +8
It doesn’t matter
どうでもいい
Remarkable_Ship_4673 +5
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AnimeWeebTrash31 +3
one of them has to be a bug related devil. not sure which. i think 2 may be a black hole devil/end of the universe devil. since everything now lives forever the fear of the inevitable destruction of the universe probably spiked.
一体は虫関連の悪魔に違いない。どれかはわからんけど。2番目はブラックホールとか宇宙の終わりの悪魔かも。みんな不死身になったら、宇宙の必然的な破滅への恐怖も急増するだろ。
TheSilv +4
A bit unrelated but one thing I found odd was that Pochita said that Denji and him were eaten by a devil. But wasn’t the whole disaster specifically about insects in general and not their corresponding devils? Or was it specifically that Denji and Asa/Yoru were targeted by the insect devils while actual insects were ravaging the world (as we see in the Fumiko scenes).
少し話が逸れるけど、ポチタが「デンジと俺は悪魔に食われた」って言ってたの変だな。災害全体は昆虫一般の話で、対応する悪魔の話じゃなかったんじゃ？それともデンジとアサ/ヨルが特に虫の悪魔に狙われてて、一方で…
karama_zov +5
Wouldn’t it be cool to know?!
知れたらカッコよくない？！
OjaKenji +4
I understand how annoying it is when people tell y…
I understand how annoying it is when people tell you you can’t read… but then you see these questions and complaints that were already answered a couple of panels back—yes, the answer is given in the same chapter—and yet somehow you still don’t understand.

They’re insect demons… and that’s it. Fumiko explained why they’re so powerful a few panels back, and chapters ago we saw Denji and Yoru struggling to defeat one.

「お前は読解力ない」って言われるのがウザい気持ちはわかる。でもな、数コマ前か同じ章内ですでに答えが出てるような質問や不満を未だに言ってる奴らを見ると…やっぱ理解できてないんだなって思うわ。
BrilliantCoconut25 +11
Yes I remember all those robot insects with arm necklaces
ああ、腕のネックレスをしたロボット昆虫たちのことはよく覚えてるよ。
多くのファンが感じた「未消化感」と、それでも作品の可能性を信じたい気持ちが交錯する、複雑な読後感が伝わってくるスレッドだった。