lordwebgarlicbread
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the ending had me disappointed at first, but then it reminded me a lot of The Promised Neverland ending which I adored. really brings back the idea of the country vs town mouse, denji would have chosen the town mouse, yet pochita chose the country mouse for him. denji wanted to experience it all, all the happiness, sadness etc. While pochita wants to end the cycle of pain, he wanted to protect denji by keeping him in the country.

honestly the more i look at it, the nicer the bittersweet ending

最初はエンディングにガッカリしたんだけど、思い返すと約ネバの終わり方にすごく似てて、そこがめっちゃ好きだったんだよね。都会のネズミと田舎のネズミの寓話を思い出させるよね。デンジは都会のネズミを選んでたはずなのに、ポチタは彼のために田舎のネズミを選んだ。デンジは全部経験したかった、幸せも悲しみも全部。一方ポチタは苦しみの連鎖を断ち切って、田舎に留まることでデンジを守りたかったんだ。

正直、じっくり考えれば考えるほど、このほろ苦い終わり方、いい味出てるよね。

Frankorious +209
Looking back, I wonder if Makima made that story up or she genuinely knows a random farmer
振り返ると、マキマがその話をでっち上げたのか、それとも本当に適当な農家を知ってるのか気になる
lordwebgarlicbread +260
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>looking back
>振り返ると
sumr4ndo +36
Say that again
もう一回言ってみろ
Freezil_G +26
Cause you were looking behind you…
お前が後ろを振り返ってたから…
iMissEdgeTransit +33
She said she liked people, maybe some random dude was like her 8th husky.
彼女は人間が好きって言ってたし、なんかのオッサンが彼女の8匹目のハスキーみたいなもんだったかもな
Xenomorphian69420 +22
ive seen people say it could be fami, but realistically its probably just fake and her wanting to be human
ファミ説もあるけど、多分ただの嘘で、人間になりたがってただけだと思う
Frankorious +7
Yeah I know. Imagining Makima working with a shovel is funny though.
それはそう。マキマがシャベル持って働いてるの想像すると草
LordAdri123 +23
Supposedly that “friend” is Barem. We know the two of them had a history together even before all of this and it seemed like he genuinely believes in Makima’s cause.
その「友達」ってバレムらしいな。二人は前から繋がりがあったし、彼はマキマの大義をマジで信じてるみたいだし
Usual-Philosophy-121 +6
truuuu
正論
inika41 +11
I honestly think she’s lying because she wanted to feel superior to Reze. Since she was aware of most of Reze’s interactions with Denji, she wanted to *take control* of the story Reze was telling him.
マジな話、レゼを見下すために嘘ついてたと思う。レゼとデンジのやりとりほぼ把握してたから、レゼが話してたネタを*乗っ取り*たかったんだよ
XaeiIsareth +7
She knew Kashimo? CSM and JJK in the same universe?
マキマ、カシモ知ってたの？チェンソーマンと呪術廻戦って同一世界観？
frelin87 +1
I could see Makima volunteering in manual labor as a way to observe the human condition and better conceptualize why blue-collar work is so low in most social hierarchies.
マキマが肉体労働ボランティアするの、人間観察してブルーカラーが社会的に低い理由を理解するためってのはありえる
Totaliss +128
he’s still fighting devils alongside power, this time without immortality. that’s pretty dangerous town mouse shit
不死身じゃないのにパワーと一緒に悪魔と戦い続けてるんだよな。マジで命知らずの都会っ子やばい
Consistent-Ninja8440 +66
That’s what bugs me the most about this ending. We see throughout the manga several times Public Safety members die in the most quick and brutal ways. Even Denji himself dies and it’s only because of Pochita and his contract that he’s able to come back. He’s not lasting a long time in the manga, he’s going to live a very short life
この結末で一番引っかかるのがそれ。作中何度も公安メンバーが一瞬で無惨に死んでる。デンジ本人も死んでるし、ポチタとの契約があるから戻れただけ。このマンガ世界で長生きできるわけない、彼は’
Exciting_Mine711 +35
That’s a normal life in the world of chainsaw man lmao. At the very least he can live life as himself and has his agency. Whether he lives a long or short life is up to interpretation but it’s life on his terms.
チェンソーマンの世界ではそれが普通の人生だよw 少なくとも自分らしく、自分の意思で生きてる。長生きするかは別として、自分の条件で生きてるんだ
ChanceDelivery6415 +8
Not sure how much agency there is being the slave of a slave
奴隷の奴隷にどれだけ意思があるって言うんだ
foxatwork +11
To be fair, alot of those deaths are *because* he is chainsawman. I think the only one that wasn’t was katana man killing him
でもさ、あの死の多くは*チェンソーマンだから*だろ。違うのは刀の男に殺された時くらいじゃね？
bloodshed113094 +7
He was being put on the most dangerous jobs because he was Chainsaw Man. The world ending calamities that kept coming were after Chainsaw Man. He’ll likely be doing the same work he did for the Yakuza, but with better conditions.
チェンソーマンだから最危険任務ばかりだった。世界滅亡級の災厄もチェンソーマンを狙って来た。多分ヤクザの時と同じ仕事するけど、環境はマシになるだろ
MrKatzA4 +0
Did you really just forgot that he got a new contract with power?
パワーと新契約結んだのマジで忘れてんの？
Initial_Environment6 +7
well, that could give him wound resistance not immortality. So it’s depend on his luck if he could life to retirement age like Kishibe. At least, no Makima trying to kill him.
まあ、それで不死身じゃなくて耐傷性がつく程度だろ。キシベみたいに定年まで生きられるかは運次第。少なくともマキマに殺される心配はないけどな
BEaSTPadwal15 +3
The contract isn’t really going to bring him back from let’s say, being split in half is it?
契約で体真っ二つにされた奴が復活するってマジ？無理だろ
WeirdAgile +7
But he seems to wish for a normal life now, at least judging from the way he looks at Asa and her classmates.
でも今のアサやクラスメイトを見る目からすると、普通の生活を望んでるみたいだな
That_Geologist1255 +2
He’s still a town mouse because of that
だからこそ、こいつはまだ都会のネズミなんだよ
lordwebgarlicbread +1
(My bad if this is a repost for you, idk why my re…
(My bad if this is a repost for you, idk why my reply wont show up so ill send it again)

Makes sense, but imo the danger is much lower without chainsaw man and makima. Also I wouldn’t be so sure about the immortality since power is shown to feed him blood to regenerate him. I thought this ability only worked on fiends/hybrids, and then the pochita heart shown too, this could suggest he is still a hybrid. But at the very least its confirmed that denji can regenerate, reducing his risks greatly

（既出だったらスマン、なぜかリプが表示されないからもう一度送るわ）
JakeFromStateFarm- +1
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Chapter 1 Denji to Pochita, ending is just returning the promise
Texter321 +31
I mean many people have already said that the ending isn’t inherently bad. It’s how we got there that pisses so many people off
まあエンディング自体が悪いって言う人はあんまりいないよな。むしろそこに至る過程がクソでみんなキレてる
Ceefier +17
For as meme’d as the phrase “Themes and such” is, it perfectly describes the ending and it’s problem. Yeah, reading this in a summary the end probably works, but it is one that feels so… Unsatisfying. Like, you get what the author is going for, but it either feels like so much was left behind that could, or often should have been addressed.
「テーマとか」ってフレーズはネタにされてるけど、このエンディングとその問題を完璧に言い表してるよな。概要で読めば確かに成立してるけど、なんつーか…物足りない。作者がやりたいことは分かるんだけど、あまりに多くのものが置き去りにされた感じがして
lordwebgarlicbread +8
I agree that it was quite abrupt, definitely threw me off that it was all suddenly coming to an end, I respect that most didn’t like that. Many have stated the csm is better as a binge read than a week to week chapter read, and chapter 232 alone is strange. But considering the whole plot, imo it makes sense to give it such an end
確かに唐突だったわ、急に全部終わるのにはめっちゃ面喰らった。多くの人が好きじゃなかったのも分かる。チェンソーマンは週刊より一気読みの方が向いてるって意見も多いし、232話だけ見ると確かに変だ。でも全体のプロット考えると、個人的には
Texter321 +2
I don’t know. I have actually Read the last Chapters more or less on a binge and the final fight just felt really weird. Like one moment you’re in the middle of the big fight and the next chapter everything just ends. Idk it just didn’t feel natural. Almost like a 200 times worse version of the Vinland saga ending(which doesn’t mean that the Vinland saga ending was bad)
わからん。俺実際に最後の方の話をほぼ一気読みしたけど、ラストバトルはマジで変な感じがした。大戦闘の真っ最中かと思ったら、次の章でいきなり全部終わってるんだもん。自然じゃなかった。ヴィンランド・サガのあの終わり方の200倍酷いバージョンみたいな
PreHenHen +15
I think the story of the country mouse and town mo…
I think the story of the country mouse and town mouse in Chainsawman serves as a false dichotomy. We are presented with a simplistic fable about risk vs reward, but the story proves time and time again that you don’t get to choose what mouse you are, and that neither mouse is guaranteed safety. Aki was a country mouse as a kid but the gun devil still took everything (even though that’s “not fair” given the dichotomy presented in the fable). Power and angel are also country mice forced into publ
チェンソーマンの田舎ネズミと都会のネズミの話は、偽りの二項対立だと思うわ。リスク対リターンの単純な寓話みたいに提示されてるけど、物語は何度も証明してるだろ？自分がどっちのネズミになるか選べるわけじゃないし、どっちも安全が保証されてないって。アキだって
lordwebgarlicbread +5
Really nice description, and i agree – its not a path that someone gets to choose freely. Denji didnt choose this, it was pochita who decided for him
めっちゃ良い説明だな、同意。自由に選べる道じゃないよな。デンジが選んだわけじゃない、ポチタが彼のために決めたんだ
PreHenHen +1
Yah 100%
マジそれな
G0ldlibarm +1
Love how you point out the false dichotomy of the fable.

The country and the city are both full of dangers, safety, treats and mundanity. It all depends on where you are and what you seek out.

It’s a question of perspective, what you value and what you’re willing to give up for it.

But it doesn’t matter in the end, because the country mouse and the city mouse are one and the same.

この寓話が偽りの二項対立って指摘するの最高だわ。
dolosloki01 +6
When I first started reading the manga after the first season of the anime ended I was still thinking Makima was on the level. This scene was the first time I realized she was bad news.
アニメ1期終わってからマンガ読み始めた時、俺もまだマキマを信じてた。このシーンで初めて「こいつヤバい」って気付いたわ
Ok_ResolvE2119 +4
Fujimoto worships the ideal of the mundane, which is that there isn’t one. The mundanity of life is more worthy of existing than the life of higher highs. Like Denji loving Makima despite everything was a pretty good sign that he wasn’t going to grow past a certain point.
藤本は「平凡の理想」を崇拝してる、つまり「理想なんてない」ってことだ。高い山より、平凡な日常の方が存在する価値がある。デンジが何があってもマキマを愛し続けたのは、彼がある程度以上は成長しないってかなり良い暗示だったよな
Pressureee666 +5
yes the ending is a happy one, a second chance for Denji to avoid tragedies partially caused by him. Chapter 230 could totally be Denji/Pochita and Asa/Yoru got devoured by the bug devil without a way out, eternal pain in the stomach, end of story.
そう、エンディングはハッピーエンドだよ。デンジが（部分的に自分が原因の）悲劇を避ける、第二のチャンスだ。第230話でデンジ/ポチタとアサ/ヨルが虫の悪魔に食われて出口なし、胃の中の永遠の苦痛、で物語終了ってこともあり得たんだから
lordwebgarlicbread +2
that would have been a really pathetic ending if yoru got defeated by some random devil. Imo this ending was executed quite well, bitter in the way that everything that happened is now just a memory to us, everything that was special between them is gone. But like you said, its a new beginning for denji, he can finally live the normal life pochita wanted for him
ヨルがどこかの雑魚悪魔に負けるとか超絶情けないエンディングだったわな。個人的にはこのエンディングはよくできてたと思う。今までの全てがただの思い出になっちゃう、あの特別な関係はもうない、ってのが苦いけど。でも言う通り、デンジとアサには新たな始まりだ
Implosion-X13 +4
Well… It’s not like he had any choice in the end. All agency was taken from him and he was just forcibly put into this final scenario.
まあ…結局彼に選択の余地はなかったんだよな。全ての主体性を奪われて、この最終シナリオに無理やり放り込まれただけだ
HoleFlat +4
Sorry, I got like flashbanged at the very beginning buy you saying you loved the promised neverland ending. What did u like about it??
ごめん、最初に「約ネバのエンディング好き」ってのでめっちゃフラッシュバングされたわ。何が良かったの？
lordwebgarlicbread +2
It was an ending that broke me, i felt such a hole…
It was an ending that broke me, i felt such a hole in my heart after finishing the series. It was such a wonderful manga, and the ending was so beautifully bittersweet – happy that the suffering has ended, but so disappointed with how the memories of it are gone, since its the memories and journey that gives it meaning. It was the most impactful series ending ive seen, never did a series ending have me feel like that. Bittersweet ending are now my favourite way to conclude a series, it first ha
心に穴が空くようなエンディングだった。読み終わった後、胸にぽっかり穴が空いたよ。最高のマンガだった。エンディングは美しくてビタースイートだった。苦しみが終わってホッとするけど、記憶と旅路そのものが失われるのが、あまりに切なくて。だって思い出と旅路こそが
CarelessPollution226 +3
Pochita decided Denji wasn’t built to be the city mouse, and tbh fair assessment.
ポチタはデンジが都会派じゃないと判断したんだな、まあ正論だわ
Jakethecrazycake +3
He only did cause Pochita made him though
ポチタがそう仕向けたからやっただけやで
Remarkable_Ship_4673 +0
? At the end of the day Denji is still a city mouse. The story ends with him being a dog for public safety
？結局デンジは都会の鼠やん。物語は公共の安全のための犬として終わるやんけ
lordwebgarlicbread +1
Just because he is literally in the city, doesnt m…
Just because he is literally in the city, doesnt make him a town mouse. Denji’s past life was full of excitement – he had a “family”, makima who he loved at the time, and the glory of being chainsaw man that he enjoyed. But being chainsaw man was what caused him to suffer, he was hunted down physically, but also endured so much emotional suffering. Now he’s spared of all the pain, but also does not remember the beautiful moments he experience in his past life. Like a country mouse, he doesnt kno
単に街に住んでるからって都会の鼠とは限らんやろ。デンジの過去の生活は刺激的やった——「家族」もいたし、当時愛してたマキマもいた、チェンソーマンとしての栄光も楽しんでた。でもチェンソーマンであることが彼を苦しめたんや、物理的に狩られて…
Remarkable_Ship_4673 +1
He’s a devil hunter, 90% of his comrades will still die
彼はデビルハンターや、仲間の9割はまだ死ぬで
Responsible-Camp8964 +1
Very good possibility of himself still dying as well
自分もまだ死ぬ可能性めっちゃ高いで
lordwebgarlicbread +2
I dont mean country mouse literally, im talking ab…
I dont mean country mouse literally, im talking about the emotional rollercoaster he was going through. The town mouse is described to have a more fuller life, more enjoyment which comes with risks – when denji was chainsaw man he got everything he wanted but at the same time was hurt several times. Pochita is preventing that suffering, he’s no longer the exciting chainsaw man, but just a devil hunter which is likely equivalent to a police officer in their universe. He may still be in the city,
田舎鼠って文字通りじゃなくて、彼が経験した感情のジェットコースターの話してんねん。都会の鼠はより充実した人生、リスク付きの楽しみがあるって描写やろ——デンジがチェンソーマンやった時、欲しいもの全部手に入れたけど、同時に何度も傷ついたやん
結局、デンジ自身の選択ではなく、ポチタの「守りたい」という想いが彼の在り方を決めた、という解釈が主流のようね。