📌 今回の話題

『チェンソーマン』第2部が最終回を迎え、海外ファンの間で賛否両論の大議論が発生。投稿者は「終盤の展開は急ぎすぎだが、ラストそのものは物語のテーマに合致している」と主張。デンジとアサの「正しい選択」を模索する旅路と、ポチタの自己犠牲に込められた意味を詳細に分析し、「全体としては傑作」と結論づけています。その考察と、それに寄せられた賛同・反論の声をご覧ください。

ZealousidealWay8233
+416
Csm part 2 is like a 6.5-7/10…
Csm part 2 is like a 6.5-7/10

I think up until the church arc its above part 1 in a lot of aspects

However its clear a lot of character development and plot lines were dropped at that point which lead to a messy last 3rd and fast ending

The ending I believe was planned to always be how the series ends and I think it makes sense in the overall story and I don’t hate it nearly as much as most of reddit seems to hate it

The themes (and such) of part 2 is denji keeps making the wrong choice keeps wanting to be csm despite it hurting people he cares about. From his first part 2 appearance it is set up. Denji is trying to live less selfishly while Asa is trying to live more selfishly. Denji choosing to save a cat over people, Denji seeing Asa become a hero after the aquarium arc, Denji seeing his home burnt down, Denji losing Nayuta (which was a result of him wanting to be chainsawman), etc etc all leads up to him essentially failing and falling into a trap that is “being Chainsawman”.

Asa on the other hand is trying to come to terms with living life more fully despite always seeming to fail at a crucial moment. The affect that her trauma of her mom killing her dad, her mom dying to a devil because she wanted to save a cat, that cat she saved being killed by her caretaker afterwards, etc etc is the main cause. She tries to hide it but deep down she wants to be included, but every time she comes to that realisation herself she falls and it causes her to retreat back into her shell. She realizes right before she dies that she could have lived a more fulfilling life only for Yoru to take over it. She gets to experience some things she wanted to like freindship, dating, even being a “hero” but the cost of that is Yoru putting her life at risk to achieve the goal of trying to kill chainsawman, someone who she becomes infatuated with. It kills her chances of leading the life she wanted but she still tries to sympathize with Yoru, she still hopes that after she completes Yoru’s contract she can try to live again, and she still tries to save Denji from Yoru despite it putting her at even more risk to herself. Yoru’s last words to her directly are “The things you think are sins are nothing in a devil’s eyes” essentially saying to her that what was holding her back before Yoru took over in the bigger picture was nothing she couldnt overcome herself. When Asa gets her second chance in the new world, Denji (as Denji and not Chainsawman) is able to save Asa from tripping and killing bucky. She gets to have the realization with a full life ahead of her and not as a weapon.

Both these characters are “trying” to make the right choice, they are “trying” to do the right thing, but the circumstances of being Chainsawman or existing with Yoru make it impossible. Even Denji trying to save Asa/defeat Yoru in the end doesnt work because he doesnt do it as “Denji” he does it as “Chainsawman”.

Pochita was okay with denji living his dream until it lead to the end of the world and only then did he interfere. He truly wants Denji to keep dreaming and keep living and even though he knew for a while being CSM for Denji was hurting him he never stopped him from living his dream till there was no other option left. Pochita did not choose for Denji, Pochita sacrificed himself so Denji could keep trying to be better which I think is a massive distinction that a lot of people are overlooking. And not only lets him “keep dreaming” at the cost of his own existence (which he doesnt know the outcome of eating himself btw he is deleting himself for a CHANCE for Denji to try again) but also lets him try without having the pressure of being “Chainsawman” and letting him just be Denji.

The ending also doesnt mean that the entire manga “doesnt matter” both in the context of the story or in terms of enjoyment. As the reader, part of enjoying the series is the journy not just were it ends up. What you feel reading is important even if its rage or disappointment (although I didnt feel either personally). In terms of a literary sense, its clear that the world reset carried over some aspects of the original world/timeline. It is implied that characters still feel similar ways about characters they originally did (Like how meowy is fond of Nayuta even tho they havent met in this timeline for more than a few days). It also leaves it open ended for a lot of characters to have a better life. I understand how you could hate this but I really am of the opinion in terms of endings it isn’t remotely bad just sadly rushed.

The biggest fumble imo is Asa’s ending but I can look past that and accept that the series fumbled the bag on some aspects. Asa and Yoru were very interesting and while looking back they did get a conclusion to their character stories you barely got to sit on it before the series ended (especially Yoru).

Did some shit get dropped, yes. Was the ending rushed, yes. Is it the worst ending oat and ruins part 1, fuck no.

Csm still overall a 8/10 if we talkin about the whole series (Part 1 is a 9/10 and Part 2 is like a 6.5ish/10 IMO), the anime is also peak, the fan art is peak, the music made for the anime is peak, fuck it has peak as fuck art style and is really like nothing else I have ever read and I have read a lot of manga. Nothing could make me think its even in the same tier as “bad” even with its flaws.

I think a lot of problems with modern Manga discussion is self fulfilling prophecy in this age of slander and agenda. Nothing is able to be view with any nuance or middle ground or analyzed deeper than glazing or hating, agenda pushing or slandering. JJK and JJK Modulo ended and I thought both endings were fine, yet when they dropped people were acting like it was the worst ending OAT. Same happened for Naruto, same happened for AoT (which I am not even a fan of but I dont think it ended poorly at all), and I fear online it will happen with every upcoming Manga. Like yall havent read fuckin Shaman King you dont know what a bad day is lol

Thank you… Chainsawman

チェンソーマン第2部はまあ6.5〜7点ってとこかな

教会編まではむしろ第1部を超えてると思うんだよね

でもあの辺でキャラ成長や伏線がガッツリ削られちゃったから、ラスト1/3がごちゃついて急展開で終わっちゃった感はある

結末自体は最初から決まってたんだろうし、全体の流れ的には納得できる。Redditで炎上してるほど俺は嫌いじゃないわ

第2部のテーマは「デンジが周りを傷つけてもチェンソーマンでありたいって間違った選択を繰り返すこと」だと思う。第2部初登場時からそう設定されてて、デンジは「利己的じゃない生き方」を、アサは「利己的な生き方」を目指してる。デンジが人間より猫を選んだこと、水族館編後にヒーローになったアサを見たこと、家を燃やされたこと、ナユタを失ったこと(これ全部チェンソーマンになりたいせいだよね)…全部繋がって「チェンソーマンであること」という罠にハマって失敗する流れになってる

一方アサは「肝心な瞬間でいつも失敗するけど、もっと充実した人生を送りたい」って葛藤してる。トラウマの根源は、母親が父親を殺したこと、猫を助けようとして母親がデビルに殺されたこと、その救った猫がその後世話係に殺されたこと…。表面上は隠してるけど心底では人と関わりたいって願ってる。でも自分でそれに気づくたびに挫折して殻に閉じこもっちゃう。死ぬ直前に「もっと充実した人生を送れたかも」って気づくんだけど、その瞬間ヨルに乗っ取られる。友情やデート、ヒーローごっこみたいな「やりたかったこと」は経験できるけど、その代償は命がけでチェンソーマン(しかも好きになっちゃう相手)を殺そうとするヨルの目的に巻き込まれること。望んでた人生は奪われるけど、それでもヨルに共感しようとしたり、契約履行後にまた生き直せるって期待したり、自分が危険にさらされてもデンジをヨルから救おうとする。ヨルが最後に言った「お前が罪だと思ってることは、デビルからしたら大したことないんだよ」って言葉は、乗っ取られる前のアサを縛ってたものは、実は自分で克服できるものだったって暗示してるよね。新世界でセカンドチャンスを得たアサを、デンジ(チェンソーマンじゃなくデンジとして)が転んでバッキーを殺しそうになる所を助けられる。アサは「武器」じゃなく「これからの人生」を前にして、ようやく気づきを得られるんだ

二人とも「正しい選択」を「しようとして」、正しいことを「しようとして」るんだけど、チェンソーマンであることやヨルと共存してる状況がそれを不可能にしてる。最後にアサを救おう(ヨルを倒そう)としたデンジですら、「デンジ」としてじゃなく「チェンソーマン」として行動しちゃったから上手くいかなかったし。

ポチタは、デンジの夢を叶えさせてあげてたんだけど、結局それが終末につながっちゃったんだよね

roothockey +95
W analysis. In a vacuum, the ending is solid and probably the one that would make the most sense. It’s just clearly rushed. One commenter said it felt like there was just so much meat left on the bone which is how I feel. CSM was still a great read. Part 1 was perfection, and part 2 still had good arcs. Just really wish the ending was more fleshed out, but so it goes
W分析だわ。単体で見ればエンディングはしっかりしてるし、多分一番筋が通ってる結末だと思う。ただ明らかに駆け足だった。あるコメンテーターが「骨にまだたくさん肉がついてる感じがする」って言ってたけど、まさにそれだわ。CSMはやっぱり面白かった。第一部は完璧で、第二部も良かった
Emergence7 +29
Yeah, honestly feels like the story had at the minimum 10 more chapters
うん、マジで最低あと10話はあった感じがする
Man_Of_AnswersYT +19
Yeah pretty much exactly how I feel after letting …
Yeah pretty much exactly how I feel after letting it sit.

The ending itself is “narratively logical.” There isn’t anything in the ending as far as it relates to Denji’s quest for happiness that I think isn’t supported or foreshadowed by preceding chapters. How it happens I take issue with and I feel like it needed a few more chapters to arrive at 231/232’s events.

The only misstep I think that was made in the ending was not having Denji choose to have Pochita erase himself. It is the only co

うん、ちょっと寝かせてみたらほぼ同じ感想だわ。
Dazzling-Primary4909 +17
> that was made in the ending was not having De…
> that was made in the ending was not having Denji choose to have Pochita erase himself.

I think the reason why pochita was the one to make this choice was because denji wouldn’t have accepted it. He would have tried to pick a *third option* again. And this is something he has done when given the option to make a choice without a sacrifice before. He refused to kill yoru aand have sex with her( he tried to pick the option where he gets to keep everything). Pochita realised how denji’s choice

> エンディングでなされた決断は、デンジがポチタに自分を消すよう選択しなかったことだ。
cataraxis +13
I literally could’ve just used a chapter or two of…
I literally could’ve just used a chapter or two of them just talking to each other, like real back and forth. Make Denji’s hopeless attitude evident in the dialogue, then have Pochita do what he did instead of giving this paternal parable.

I have problems with the ending in itself, but as it is it would hit a lot harder if it was paced and composed better. Fujimoto literally took all moment of silence out of a song, and it just doesn’t work.

マジで、あと1、2話あれば、彼らがただ互いに話し合う、本当の意味での対話があれば良かった。会話の中でデンジの絶望的な態度を明確にして、それからこの父親めいた寓話じゃなくて、ポチタがあの行動を取るようにすれば。
Man_Of_AnswersYT +4
I can see the argument there, it just feels like it’s another choice *made for* Denji when much of Part 1 I felt was trying to make his own choices for himself.

I absolutely see that as a valid interpretation of the moment, it just didn’t do it for me.

その議論は分かるけど、第一部の多くがデンジが自分で選択することをテーマにしてたのに、またしてもデンジ*のために*なされた選択って感じがするんだよな。
lichpit +2
This is the one part of the finale I think is excellent. He tee’d Denji up for that choice, and we were all waiting with bated breath to see if he FINALLY makes a new kind of choice, only for Pochita to hit the abort button because Denji keeps proving he will never stop trying to pick that third option as long as he can be Chainsawman.
これだけは最終回の中で最高だったと思う。ポチタはデンジにその選択の機会を与えて、俺たちは息を殺して、彼が*ついに*新しい種類の選択をするか見てたのに、デンジが第三の選択肢を選び続けることをやめないと証明し続けるから、ポチタが中止ボタンを押したんだ。
urso_urso +1
Think this is the good take. I like the ending and ultimately thought it couldn’t really end any other way, but I don’t blame people who aren’t satisfied overall with it even if I was.
これが正論だと思う。エンディングは好きだし、結局これ以外の終わり方はなかったと思う。でも、全体的に不満な人を責める気はない。自分は満足したけど。
ElementalHEROBigAnus +1
I have to ask, are you referencing Slaughterhouse Five at the end?
聞きたいんだけど、最後の部分ってスローターハウス5を参照してる?
gibbbehh +84
This is the most based review I’ve saw so far I wish I could give you 6k upvotes and sit you on the homepage brotha
今まで見た中で一番正論なレビューだわ。6千アップ投票してホームページに掲載したい気分だわニキ
-Goatllama- +6
I vote for this as well

Pin those post up like the Curse Devil

俺もこれに一票
zuzg +15
>textbook Shonen Finale

Deus Ex Machina followed by fluffy Fanservice that ignores every prior established continuity is not a known staple of Shonen finales.

The end point is not the issue, it’s the two chapters that speedrun towards that conclusion..

>教科書的な少年ジャンプ最終回
gibbbehh +2
Yeah it’s rushed no one is denying that I think the bigger argument is that the ending being unsatisfactory doesn’t suddenly ruin the story overall. Like personally ending aside I’d still say this is a great manga and a must read
うん、駆け足なのは否定しないわ。でも、エンディングが不満だからって突然ストーリー全体が台無しになるわけじゃないって議論の方が大きいと思う。個人的にはエンディングはさておき、これは名作で必読の漫画だと思う
The_Real_Baws +3
I mean he did give us a textbook shounen finale, every shounen that ended in the past fifteen years has had a mediocre to shit finale. CSM joins the ranks I guess
つまり、彼は教科書的な少年ジャンプ最終回をくれたってことだよ。過去15年に終わった少年ジャンプは全部、微妙かクソみたいな最終回だった。CSMも仲間入りってわけさ
Peperoniboi +30
CSM Part 1 is a masterpiece.
CSM Part 2 is an experiment that didn’t pay off. Happens.
CSM第一部は名作。
redditrain777 +23
Ye I get the bad ending leaving a sour taste but saying we wasted our time reading the series is too much
うん、微妙なエンディングで後味が悪いのは分かるけど、読んだ時間が無駄だったって言うのはやりすぎだわ
Shinkopeshon +7
Yeah, it’s still a Top 3 series for me – the rushed ending prevented it from being a masterpiece but it’s still a unique and deranged work of art unlike anything I’ve read before or since
うん、それでも俺のトップ3には入るわ。駆け足のエンディングが名作になるのを阻んだけど、それでも独特で狂った芸術作品で、これまで読んだこともこれから読むこともない類のものだ
Totaliss +21
Meowy liking Nayuta implies she’s a different exis…
Meowy liking Nayuta implies she’s a different existence than Makima, who cats hated. So we don’t have to worry about that.

As for Asa, in the new reality, Bucky the chicken devil will be the catalyst for Asa fitting in and changing her outlook. In the first chapter of part 2, Bucky called out to Asa and she was touched that the chicken devil knows her name. She was having a genuine happy smile there before tripping. In this new timeline, she didn’t trip (thanks Dennis!) so that positive develo

ミィがなゆたを好きってことは、猫に嫌われたマキマとは別の存在ってことだわ。だからそれは心配しなくて良さそう。
AJDx14 +8
> I think the abrupt nature of 231 made people…
> I think the abrupt nature of 231 made people forget they were at a dead-end. death was gone, there was an insect apocalypse coming to end all civilization, and Denji was eaten. Pochita eating himself was their only out.

Most of your comment is whatever, but this kind of reasoning specifically for justifying lame writing is something I hate. I understand that the ending was the way it was, but Fujimoto wrote the whole thing it’s not like this was just a natural product of systems outside o

> 231話の唐突さが、彼らが行き詰まってたことを忘れさせたんだと思う。死が消え、全ての文明を終わらせる昆虫黙示録が来ようとしてて、デンジは食べられた。ポチタが自分を食べるしか道はなかった。
AkasahIhasakA +6
You have to add that Aki is not part of the team, which means he is living his normal life. Which also meant the Gun Devil never died to the Chainsaw Man in the Devil World hence he never really caused chaos in the Human World, making Aki have a happy ending, too!
アキがチームにいないことも付け加えないと。つまり彼は普通の人生を送ってるってこと。つまり悪魔の世界でチェンソーマンが銃の悪魔を倒してないから、人間界で大混乱を起こしてないってことで、アキもハッピーエンドってことだわ!
YourFriendlyRedditor +15
I for sure agree ppl are dooming wayyyy harder ove…
I for sure agree ppl are dooming wayyyy harder over it than what’s reasonable. Like are we pretending to just forget all the theories a week ago about the panel of Denji’s dad actually somehow being how it would end for Denji? That shit was miserable af to consider and in comparison we got a very happy ending compared to that theory. Was stuff rushed, sure, but fortunately the animation studio with by far the most clout are adapting our manga for the screens, and historically they’ve been able t
確かにみんなの絶望感が行き過ぎてると思うわ。一週間前に「デンジの親父のパネルがデンジの結末を暗示してる」って理論が流行ったのを皆忘れたフリしてるの?あれはマジで絶望的やつやったのに、比べたら今の展開はめっちゃハッピーやん
Heavenly-Feeling +1
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when you get a badly written ending but it’s sad/tragic – “you just wanted a happy ending reee”

when you get a badly written ending but it’s happy – “it’s good because look, the main character and his friends are happy”

クソみたいな悲劇エンド→「お前ハッピーエンドしか求めてないんだろw」
AzoraCross +14
I’m with you, man.

People also hated Evangelion’s ending, and now it’s considered GOATed, and you even see where it inspired Part 2’s.

There’s actual mid manga out there, with bad endings, bad dialogue, etc. Chainsaw Man, including Part 2, ain’t one of ‘em.

同意やでニキ。
Heavenly-Feeling +1
“People also hated Evangelion’s ending, and now it…
“People also hated Evangelion’s ending, and now it’s considered GOATed, and you even see where it inspired Part 2’s” .. it is a bad ending narratively. Do you know why people just seem to “love” it now? Because a lot of time has passed. It happens with every bad ending out there. The haters just move on to other stories while only those who still love the show remain, shifting the narrative on the story.

Another reason is that End of evangelion came out which made a lot of “haters” just

「エヴァのエンディングも最初は嫌われてた」って…あれは話としてクソエンドや。なんで今「名作」扱いか分かる?単に時間が経ったからや。クソエンド全部に起こる現象や。アンチはただ…
ravioliguy +9
It just feels bad that Denji destroys the world an…
It just feels bad that Denji destroys the world and gets eaten. Then the only thing he cared about was not getting to fuck. Pochita says “yep, this guy is well adjusted and should make his own decisions” and resets the timeline.

It didn’t feel like Denji grew or learned any lessons. Pochita made the last two biggest choices for him, Pochita ate Death and himself. And then the ending is “keep following your dreams” or “make your own decisions”?

The cat situation wasn’t even related to chainsaw

デンジが世界滅ぼして食われるってのがなんか嫌や。そんで彼の唯一の心残りが「ヤれてない」ってとこや。ポチタが「こいつは健全やし自分で決めさせよう」ってタイムラインリセットする流れもな。
AkasahIhasakA +4
Why would it feel bad? The way Denji got eaten was…
Why would it feel bad? The way Denji got eaten was perfect and poetic, that exact moment is the same as his first transformation, and the reason why he wasn’t able to transform was because that exact word/concept was eaten.

“If you’re gonna get in our way, then die!” had been used in alot of pop culture and seeing it fail and became a death flag because death itself no longer exists as a concept is perfect.

“Getting to fuck” is Denji’s ice breaker, he always uses it to do something else. Like

なんで嫌なの?デンジが食われるシーンは完璧で詩的やん。あの瞬間は最初の変身と全く同じやで。変身できなかった理由も「その概念そのもの」が食われたからや。
ElDuderino2112 +1
Part 2 Denji fucking hates himself ad has complete…
Part 2 Denji fucking hates himself ad has completely given up/been completely broken towards the end. You don’t realize how little time passes reading the book weekly, but Denji breaks down at the mere thought that someone like Yoru/Asa would even still slightly like him after everything he has done and then the apocalypse happens almost immediately. He doesn’t “grow” because he’s at a dead end (both figuratively and literally at the end of the book). Pochita is trying to get him out of that dea
2部のデンジは完全に自己嫌悪で終盤は心折れきってるやん。週刊連載だと時間の流れが分かりにくいけど、デンジは「自分があんなことした後でもヨル/アサが少しでも好意持ってる」って思っただけで崩壊するレベルやで。
Drakemander +10
I just wish the story would have been a little bit longer. It’s a pity we won’t have part 3, I really wanted to see Kishibe and Reze again.
もう少し長く続いてほしかったわ。3部ないの残念、キシベとレゼにもう一度会いたかった。
AkasahIhasakA +4
Oh yeah speaking of Reze

My only gripe is we never learned of the “Hybrids” true name. Since OG Chainsaw Man is gone, they should have been continuing to exist, again.

レゼと言えばそうや
rashy05 +8
I personally think that Fujimoto had planned the e…
I personally think that Fujimoto had planned the ending for a long time even before the release of part 2. I think the fact that he released Just Listen To The Song before Part 2 release makes me believe that he is aware how controversial Part 2 is going to be.

Do I like the ending? I see what he’s going for and appreciate him for commiting to his vision, so yes I like it. I think the real issue about the ending is the execution and how rushed the final arc was to reach that ending, I didn’t l

藤本は2部開始前からこのエンドを考えてたと思うわ。「Just Listen To The Song」を2部前に出したのも、2部が炎上するの分かってたからやと思う。
AlternativeHealth296 +6
I don’t hate the ending because of the “themes and…
I don’t hate the ending because of the “themes and such” or because it was pointless. I just think it was awfully done. Sudden. Unexplained. Pochita’s powers were used in a WIDLY inconsistent way from the rest of the series. If they had taken the time to show why the world is how it is now and what happened to the characters we liked, it would have been better, imo.

Why did people revive this time? Why did it turn back time? Why is Nayuta there?

俺がエンドを嫌いな理由は「テーマが云々」とか「無意味やから」じゃない。単純に演出がクソやった。唐突で説明不足。ポチタの能力が今までのシリーズと矛盾しすぎ。世界がどうなったか、何が…
Aesion +7
I came to very similar conclusions regarding the themes and story, and I liked the ending. My biggest gripe really was that around the church arc and the falling devil attacks we saw a lot of characters that didn’t really go anywhere. Not even necessarily plot points, just a purpose really. But still I consider CSM at least a 9/10 and I’m glad with what we got.
テーマやストーリーについては同じ結論に達してて、エンドは好きや。一番の不満は教会編とか落下の悪魔襲来の時に出てきたキャラがその後活用されんかったことや。必ずしも伏線回収じゃなくても、役割があればなあ。でもまあ…
Material_Energy5565 +4
Its the slight retcon of pochita’s power that was weird, when pochita ate devils they stopped existing from now and all memory is erased (yoru knowing jumping, headphones existing, death being eaten didn’t revive everyone who ever died)

Yet when pochita eats himself it recreated a whole new timeline where he never existed. So that was kinda asspully for the ending or inconsistent

ポチタの能力設定がちょっとリコンっぽくて気持ち悪かった。ポチタが悪魔を食うと「存在と記憶が消える」(ヨルのジャンプ知識、ヘッドホンの存在、死の悪魔消滅で死者が蘇らない)はずやのに
AkasahIhasakA +2
Which is consistent to what “Chainsaw Man” is.

He…

Which is consistent to what “Chainsaw Man” is.

He’s essentially what All Devils fear made up. He’s the boogeyman and his abilities rely on whatever the Devil thinks of their demise. So whatever asspull it is, it’s because a group of Devils believed it to be his ability. Then you have to consider all the Devils he had eaten that is on screen and off screen. There might be a Devil that was eaten that when Chainsaw Man didn’t exist would lead to this.

In any case that last Chapter isn’t just in

それは「チェンソーマン」の設定に一貫してるんや。
AkasahIhasakA +4
I agree and I have to add

The world is also fucki…

I agree and I have to add

The world is also fucking peak. Both the Human World and Devil World have their own parasocial constructs, that the Chainsaw Man/ “Boogeyman” of the Devils not existing has made the Devil World alot calmer(proof is Nayuta is there instead of Makima. Which implies that Makima didn’t kill herself in the Devil World to come over to the Human World, and that Aki isn’t on the team means the Gun Devil never also died in the Devil World)

Besides it feeling “rushed” most of m

同意や、あと付け加えると
ElementalHEROBigAnus +3
The chapter where Asa remembers why she fell for the first time and Denji’s acceptance of her also being a parent killer is one of my fav moments of the ENTIRE series and even tho I wish she had a little more of an actual resolution at the end, I do like how it’s kinda a Part 6 ending of JoJo. Where the souls of the characters still feel something from before the reset.
アサが「自分が最初に恋した理由」を思い出す章と、デンジが「アサも親殺しや」って受け入れるシーンは全シリーズで一番好きな瞬間や。エンドでもう少しアサの決着があればとは思うけど、ジョジョ6部みたいなエンドも悪くない。
ToastPlusNine +2
This is a great summation of how I feel (even gave it the same score)
これマジで俺の感想やわ(同じ点数付けたし)
-Goatllama- +2
That shaman king line hit like ~~a dang truck~~ kobeni’s car
シャーマンキングの例えが~~デカいトラック~~コベニの車級に効いたわ
LegallyMade +1
If I hear the word themes one more time I’m going to have an aneurysm.
もう一回「テーマ」って言葉聞いたら脳血管破裂するわ
Ultraviolnce +2
I agree but also No – it can be done right. I thin…
I agree but also No – it can be done right. I think we’ve all gotten so used to unsatisfying and rushed endings that coming up with think pieces where we put the pieces together where the mangaka refused is all we really do these days when a series ends.

But it can be done right. No spoilers but Hells Paradise has a very good ending and it’s not even a long manga.

The problem is that ‘all of a sudden’ the story is over after all this drawn out conflict and it makes it feel as if that ‘conclu

同意やけど、違う意見もあんねん。ちゃんとした終わり方もある。みんな納得いかん急展開エンドに慣れすぎて、作者が繋げなかったパズルを読者が勝手に完成させるのが流行りすぎや。
Arthquake +2
I thought it‘s a general consensus that the ending idea wasn‘t bad just the overall execution lackluster.
結末のアイデア自体は悪くないってのが共通認識だと思うんだけど、全体的な描き方が微妙だったんだよなぁ。
copper4eva +2
It’s a great ending in concept. Just was sadly not…
It’s a great ending in concept. Just was sadly not well executed.
Also it’s clear while pochita sacrificing himself reversed all the destruction that occurred, it didn’t reverse everything. Hence Nayuta being the way she is, rather than Makima.
So all of what Denji did raising Nayuta didn’t come to naught. I think that was supposed to be a clear point. But since the ending was rushed it’s not exactly clear.
コンセプトとしては最高のエンディング。ただ残念ながら演出がイマイチだった。
LuisAntony2964 +1
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料理したな
Generic_MC +1
I’d say something about your point on denji, but someone else already said it better than I could.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/s/b5NDdOBIAO
デンジについてのあの指摘には何か言いたいけど、もう誰かが俺より上手く言い切ってくれてたわ。
Halloween_Jack95 +1
Great Post!
神スレ!
ElDuderino2112 +1
My advice is reread part 2 now that it’s fully com…
My advice is reread part 2 now that it’s fully complete. The pacing feels a lot better and the ending feels less like it comes out of nowhere.

I have some things thematically I don’t like about the ending, but I really believe Part 2 is a lot better than people give it credit for when you binge read it.

Binge reading it also makes you realize how obvious it is that Asa is a side character she gets side-lined almost immediately and its very obvious Yoru is the focus.

今パート2が全部終わったからもう一回読み直すのオススメ。一気読みするとペース感めっちゃ良くなるし、エンディングも急に出てきた感じが減るよ。
kimmykadillak +1
Very well said. I don’t think this is a bad ending…
Very well said. I don’t think this is a bad ending at all, and I agree that it’s probably where he always wanted it to finish, but it’s rushed. I think Fujimoto definitely just got tired of writing this series, and honestly, I applaud him for not just dropping it and instead at least *trying* to make it satisfying regardless if it’s sped up. I would’ve loved to see a part 3, but if his heart isn’t in it fr, I’ll take a mercy killing. Thank you, Chainsaw Man! Still will always be my favorite seri
めっちゃ分かる。このエンディング別に悪くないし、作者が最初からこう終わらせたかったんだろうなとは同意。ただ駆け足すぎた。藤本もこのシリーズ書くのに疲れちゃったんだと思う。でも投げ出さずに、せめて*やってみた*こと自体は評価したい。
dukercrd +1
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xXDibbs +1
Imho the ending isn’t bad but it kinda came out of…
Imho the ending isn’t bad but it kinda came out of nowhere and answered some questions while introducing several others.

For example: We know that the war devil has a vendetta against Pochita, so no pochita = no war devil looking for Asa.

No Pochita also means no Makima so Nayuta taking her place makes sense imho.

If War isn’t there, then what about the Gun Devil, the Tank Devil and Aki?

In the original timeline, Power was already a devil hunter before Denji joined. So could it be that the G

個人的にはエンディングは悪くないけど、ちょっと唐突だったかな。いくつかの疑問には答えたけど、その代わり新しい疑問も生まれちゃったし。